Monday, November 3, 2008 1:48:21 PM
Someone trying to be christian about it would have said something ridiculous like, "Oh, we all have flaws, but genetics are no excuse. You have to fight your human nature and overcome the burdens placed upon you in order to be like Christ!" Which is definitely not what I said, nor is it my opinion.
Sorry about the triple post, but I'm very long winded when my feelings are hurt by false accusations of bigotry.
Monday, November 3, 2008 1:17:26 PM
Whoa whoa whoa! Just noticed this part!
"But when someone comes out spouting crap on one of these threads (as they always do) in this case directly equating transexuality to a serious mental disease which should be "cured", you can pretty much bet your arse they're gonna be Christian. "
Oh, davymid. It wasn`t "they need to be cured"
It was "that a gene exists doesn`t prove that something is not maladaptive because there are things which are also maladaptive which are genetic"
That`s psychology class and logic puzzles talking, not sunday school.
So: that a gene exists doesn`t say one way or the other about whether or not a trait is normal or maladaptive. THAT is the point. That there is no conclusion to be drawn from this discovery.
Religion has no bloody part in it to me. Fallacy it what bugs me.
So tell me why I`m wrong, you who believe so strongly in that which is not empirical. Or are you really just an agnostic and not an atheis
Monday, November 3, 2008 12:15:31 PM
"*Checks user profile: Christian*
Wow, there's a surprise. "
Oh, come now, davymid, I was only being a bit of a punk while bringing up a point that seems perfectly logical to me. At least explain why it isn`t logical without picking on my background. Don`t prejudge me.
I only call myself I christian cause it`s where I`m coming from and I don`t know what else to call myself. I`m still working on my worldview. Probably always will be. I`m really quite flexible.
I was looking at it from a fairly scientific perspective. Not from a religious one. It wasn`t Christianity that told me nature and nuture are equally important. It was my atheistic psych professor.
Don`t go scouring my user profile for bits of things to try and blow me off with. That`s just hypocritical.
It`s not that anyone needs to be cured. It`s that there`s more to us than strict genetics. That`s why it`s called predisposed, not predecided.
Friday, October 31, 2008 11:26:07 AM
Definately. Gay Christian is not an oxymoron. Heck, marriage wasn't even sanctified by the Christian church until 1215 AD! To give civil unions instead of marriages is definately putting them into their own class and is very degrading. It totally makes gays and lesbians 2nd class citizens. The US Supreme Court will make it legal someday, I`m sure of it. The US Supreme Court is the one that had to legalize interracial marriage because so many were opposed to it. Just shows you can`t trust the legislators!
Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:50:32 PM
I agree with ya (marry me!)
But then again, civil unions are bounded by law, while marriages are under religion.
Which is ridiculous. Based on the gay western people I met on the internet (and those most vocal on insisting that civil partnership is not enough; need more marriage), most are atheist or agnostic. Stupid, ain't it?