Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:11:29 PM
"I can answer that one, Overmann: freedom of will for humans. If some omnipotent being simply prevented anyone from ever doing anything immoral, it would certainly violate human free will."
What? Are you f*cking kidding me? "I'm God and despite my own righteous moral convictions, I`m going to enable these people, my dearest children, to beat the ever loving sh*t out of each other and rape each other`s children because, me forbid, I don`t want robots. I would have made robots if I wanted robots, medamnit." My point is that any moral deity who held morals such as we (who would have to at least have a smidgeon of our morals if people want to claim morality comes from God) would not go out of his way to instill free will. If he cared as much as people say he does, he`d ensure our safety from ourselves. And if he truly wanted people to have free will, why the f*ck give them his own brand of morality? So I ask again: are you f*cking kidding me?
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:01:35 PM
"If a god possessed the same morals as we, why is there evil? And if a god did not possess the same morals as we, why would he give us different morals? Not that I expect you have the right answer, it's just a healthy question to ask."
I can answer that one, Overmann: freedom of will for humans. If some omnipotent being simply prevented anyone from ever doing anything immoral, it would certainly violate human free will.
If I believed in the "God is Good" school of Christianity, I`d feel sorry for god. It would be seriously bad to be all good, to be all knowing, to be all powerful...and have to just watch all the crap in the world.
But I don`t, so it`s OK. Besides, there is plenty of "God is a fickle despot who demands utter obedience and kills on a whim" in the Christian bible too.
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:51:22 PM
"Angilion, you are missing the point. All scripture. ALL. A-L-L. Therefore, regardless of how they seem to conflict, the modern English is still the ineffable and irrefutable Word of God. ALL means ALL."
Lionhart2, it is you who is missing the point. Unless you really do mean that anything written down and passed off as a translation of scripture is itself scripture, even when it's a mistranslation mixed in with some changes that the people making it wanted to add.
If that`s the case, we can solve the problem by making up a version of the Christian bible that says homosex is just fine, no worries, and then that would be the Word of God, right?
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:38:43 PM
I did not say that God had to limit himself to any sort of logic, horn4231. About logic, I only said that I feel it's a lot more satisfactory to believe any achievements in logic we`ve made as a species are to our own credit and not to a god`s, in which case we`d have to believe a god intentionally dumbed us down.
On the subject of *morals*, however, I suggested God does not share our sense of morality because he instilled evil when we as a people see it as wrong. How could our morals possibly have come from a deity when we can`t but question why any good being would willfully allow such evil to take place?
On that note, I can see how these discussions would be frustrating for you when you constantly misunderstand what I write.