Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City

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Iamnotbored2 Male, 30-39, Southern US 93 Posts	Friday, September 21, 2007 12:16:03 PM http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/s... Cleared of all charges.

Iamnotbored2 Male, 30-39, Southern US 93 Posts	Monday, September 10, 2007 11:34:56 PM Such a reason is incidental when it comes to the law. While not being able to show your receipt because you lost/ate/burned it or that you wish to keep your goods secret/unseen by other people/because the voices say so, the law does not say you HAVE to show it to anyone after you buy it. Beyond that it's for an officer of the law or a citizen to have probable cause to detain you, but as said before, no receipt or secrecy is NOT probable cause.

catbarf Male, 18-29, Eastern US 1314 Posts	Monday, September 10, 2007 4:10:58 PM Iamnotbored, you have made quite a few very good points. I think an interesting experiment would be to actually have a reason not to show your bag (like, say, keeping pornography in it), and then refusing. In that case, it would be rather clear-cut, wouldn't you say?

KitsumiMaru Male, 18-29, Europe 34 Posts	Saturday, September 8, 2007 3:12:39 PM Thanks Iamnotbored2, but interestingly enough it was Benjamin Franklin who said something to that effect, I do think that europeans in general are more aware of our rights, possibly due to the many differing legal systems in place in our neighbouring countries, and I would also like to state that in my own opinion, laws and rules are there to protect the citizenry, not to control them, many people do not notice their rights being taken away when it happens in stages, little things like ID cards, CCTV, DNA databases, fingerprinting of children in schools and tightened immigration can be used as positive forces, but they can equally be used in negative ways. It is up to the individual to evaluate the rightness or wrongness of his society, and to take positive action in creating a better future for his/her children. I wholeheartedly support this guy for standing up for his liberties as a free man.

Iamnotbored2 Male, 30-39, Southern US 93 Posts	Saturday, September 8, 2007 11:58:16 AM KitsumiMaru, Well said. I'm always surprised how many US posters here prefer expendiency in shopping over their loss of civil rights. It seems you folks in Europe are much more away of how citizen`s rights work and the value of them.

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