Saturday, August 23, 2014 8:53:46 AM
...Oh, and by "right" I only meant the "God did not create them" part. Man's "sin" (singular) is a myth. Man`s sins (unethical behavior) contributes to the other things you listed, but certainly is not the sole cause of them, as chaos, death, and suffering all predate the existence of humans.
Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:32:59 AM
CrakrJak: "Chaos, evil, death and suffering are because of man's sin, God did not create them."
You`re only right here because God is a myth. But within your mythology, God most certainly DID create them. God curses the ground in Genesis 3:17. Heck, Isaiah 47:7 and Job 2:10 outright say that God creates disasters/evil (depending on translation) and that you should accept that bad things come from God too.
CrakrJak: "He created Jesus for us, yes. But it was us that killed him not God."
He supposedly created Jesus for the _express_ _purpose_ of having him killed. God demanded a bloody human sacrifice in order to forgive the descendants of sinners for their ancestor`s sins, because apparently an "omnipotent" God can`t forgive without a human sacrifice loophole in His own laws.
Your God`s only saving grace is that He`s fictional.
Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:15:34 AM
turdburglar: "athiesm does the same thing by concluding that there is definitely NOT a god or gods."
No it doesn't. "Atheism" simply means not having the belief that gods exist. It does NOT mean you affirm their nonexistence.
CrakrJak: "man allowed sin into the world and sin = death"
No. If that were true, then what was the point of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden? It granted eternal life (Genesis 3:22). That would have been meaningless if they were already immortal, but God supposedly told them not to eat of it because They didn`t want man to become immortal.
Your own fairytale betrays your argument.
The "sin = death" thing is PR spin to avoid the fact that God lied about them dying if they ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Which also highlights the fact that God is supposedly punishing everyone ever because of two people who didn`t understand good or evil.