Separating Fact From Fiction In 2018, And Beyond

Submitted by: normalfreak2 2 weeks ago in News & Politics
No video, but I thought the contents of the article ring more true than ever.

An excerpt from smerconish: Legitimate fact-checking websites, such as Snopes, FactCheck, Politifact, and several others can also help to separate truth from fiction. These reputable sites make an honest attempt to state the facts clearly and can evolve in their thinking as more information becomes available (as was the case with Politifact regarding President Obama’s claim that “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it”).

Since the American public is being pushed into silos by all the diverse media sources, it can also be helpful to understand which bubble you are in.
MediaBiasFactCheckprovides an assessment of whether a news outlet is extremely or moderately liberal or conservative.

Additionally, a
useful chart by attorney Vanessa Otero places news sources on a scale of liberal-to-conservative and identifies those that have consistently included inaccuracies and fabrications. With these tools, you can see whether and how a news source leans left or right and whether it provides misleading information.

Recognizing which bubble you are in provides a first step toward understanding that there are other viewpoints. Buying into misleading propaganda from the edges of the political spectrum is the road to anger and divisiveness when what we need more than ever are peaceful coexistence and reasonable harmony. This doesn’t mean we will all agree, but at least we should be relying on correct information as we form our opinions.

So my suggestion is to bookmark one or more reputable fact-checking sites on your Internet browser and frequently check them for what is true and what is not. In addition, be willing to take a look at other media voices outside your own bubble in order to understand what other Americans are thinking. Many of the ideas on the other side are held as strongly as your own.

If you simply think the other side is wrong about most everything, well, they think the same about you! The result of ongoing divisiveness is either political standstill, where important issues never get solved, or “ping-pong politics” where government policies bounce back and forth between left and right every few years. Neither of these is a good thing for our country.
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Male 699
Here's a quick summing up: If a republican/conservative is moving his/her lips, they are lying.
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Male 5,149
NPR is where I get most of my news while driving.  CBS and ABC or Politico and The Hill if I'm searching Google News.  I also still find it fun to read comments on CBS and ABC since they are rather telling of how people really feel, or you can immediately pick out the Russian Bot Troll.

Like this comment for example:

"Governing by tweets is just not working. A President should advocate for every American not just for the far right. This has been a nightmare."


This is so true.  Not just for the President but for all of American Politics.  It's out of control now on both sides and I don't think we can stop it unfortunately
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Male 12,258
Whoa. 5cats2's comment and our whole thread got deleted. What gives?
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Male 332
holygod Hi guys!
Everything is gone, the whole account. I wrote to Fancy and mentioned the name thing, but thought up the e-mail later :/ If it happens again it's most likely the e-mail is blacklisted.

I suspect an anti-spam bot disliked something: 
- my e-mail may be on a blocked list?
- I put 'Not Telling' as my name because it was showing in my profile, perhaps that triggered a bot?

Anyhow, I was keeping it clean and civil, even though I was disagreeing a little here and there eh? If not please let me know.

Markust: I'm not seeing any of your replies, perhaps just you can? 

Trying again...
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Male 7,960
gohikineko You've been doing great; no concerns whatsoever. Still working on the root cause of the deletes. We've been hampered somewhat because this occurred on a Sunday. Hope to have it resolved soon. Thanks!
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Male 12,258
gohikineko you were absolutely keeping it clean and civil. I mean you were wrong, but that's totally allowed. ;-)
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Male 5,149
holygod #3 chime in, I'm not deleting his comments either, nor is Fancy since he mentioned lifting the ban.  Be on the lookout for a Rogue Mod people!!!
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Male 332
kalron There's a 4th Mod right? But I doubt any Mod can remove the whole account? It may have been an anti-spam bot.
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Male 9,188
holygod We are working on figuring out what's happening.  5cats we are unsure who what is removing all of your comments.  We are looking into it.
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Male 332
normalfreak2 Thanks, it was quite a shocker on Sunday morning :-<
Trying again...
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Male 7,960
holygod Just saw your comment here. What was deleted? A string of comments in this thread?
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Male 332
squrlz4ever The whole account was deleted. I could re-signup with the same name, that's how thorough it was.
I don't think any Mods did it, but perhaps an anti-spam bot got me on my e-mail or user name (Not Telling)? 

if it happens again it was probably the e-mail, Sunny will have to fix that or I could use the other one (but it might be banned too, we'll see).
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Male 7,960
gohikineko There are a number of possible explanations and we'll figure it out. Just hang tight and know that things will be set right as soon as possible. Thanks.
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Male 332
squrlz4ever Thanks again. I changed the e-mail but I'd used that one a long time ago to register here too so...

We'll see! i'll try to take it easy until this gets fixed. Am busy the next few days anyhow... back to work on Tuesday! yay me!
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Male 12,258
squrlz4ever his comments got deleted on the open forum too. I don't know where else.
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Male 7,960
holygod Thanks. I'm sorry this is occurring; my apologies to you and, especially, Mr. Neko. We're looking into this.
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Male 6,496
squrlz4ever Yeah, if you go to my comments, my responses to him are still there so just his top comments were deleted killing the whole threads. That’s not cool.  It wasn’t me.
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Male 332
markust You can still see the replies? That's odd, I can't. Usually they're gone if the top-comment goes...

The whole account got removed entirely, I don't think Mods can do that, but perhaps I got hit by an anti-spam sweep? Maybe my e-mail is blacklisted? We'll see...
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Male 7,960
markust Nor me. To say this is strange is an understatement. I guess we should discuss this on Slack if you're able and willing to. This is, obviously, a real problem.
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Male 7,960
This article is superb. Good job, NF2. The large graphic at the top is so useful I'm adding this to my Favorites. A lot of wasted time, and a lot of ill-will and arguing, could be avoided on IAB if posters--liberals and conservatives both--would steer clear of sources in the red and orange boxes.
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Male 1,413
Just as I suspected, my news sources are at the top, in the centre.
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Male 2,129
I love that website name: allgeneralizationsarefalse.com

I need that on a T-shirt
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Male 11,553
yes, from the graphic makers perspective, of course.
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior 9/11 videos!
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5,966
Didn't we already have a really big fight about this one a while back?
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Male 6,496
Here's how to tell if you are biased and tainted with partisan misinformation:
  • You use the term liberal or conservative as a blanket insult. 
  • You don't trust fact checking sites.
  • You don't trust the news at all.
  • Your "facts" come from political blogs.
  • You call political blogs "news".
  • You watch cable news. 
  • You listen to political pundits on talk radio.
  • You make partisan posts on social media attacking the other side.
  • You feel there is an absolute distinction between liberals and conservatives.
  • You only trust experts when they are supporting your side.
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Male 11,553
markust "Yes comrade, these ways have helped Oceania remain strong! War is peace! freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength!
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior sheeple! dude, you are fun. keep on keepin' on
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Male 6,496
And this is why CBSNews is my go to news site. They are one of the last few news outlets that follows the rules of journalism.

Where is Fox News in that chart? They should be on the opposite side of the section that MSNBC is on. 

Also, The Nation should be down in the Propaganda section because of their extreme liberal bias, not in Complex Analysis.
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5,966
markust Fox News isn't a news organization it's an entertainment organization according to their testimony
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Male 9,188
markust https://www.allsides.com/news-source/nation


The nation isn't listed  as hard left anywhere.  They appear to be Liberal leaning but they are mostly complex news they do have swings of extremely lefty but it's not a large part of their content.
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Male 6,496
normalfreak2 The Nation considers themselves politically progressive. The mind set starts from the left. You might want to check your own source; mediabiasfactcheck.com. They list The Nation as Left Bias, not Left Center. Maybe I went too far saying they should be down in the propaganda section but it’s not a source I would go to because you’re not always going to get the full story.
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Male 9,188
markust Fox News is in the Red box border on the bottom listed as useless nonsense.
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Male 6,496
normalfreak2 No, that's their partisan blog. The actual Fox News isn't listed.
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Male 12,258
I'm pretty liberal. However, i've never even heard of Patribotics, Palmer Report, Occupy Democrats, or any of the other liberal sources in the red rectangle.

Meanwhile, Fox News, Daily Caller, Red State, The Blaze, and Breitbart are considered legitimate and reliable sources of information for conservatives.

Is that just anecdotal or does it say something about the standards that liberals and conservatives have for where they get their information? 
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Male 5,637
holygod i like being informed a bit, but at what point does it become a dysfunction. regardless of class or party.
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5,966
holygod occupy Democrats is a group of high school students on Facebook
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Male 2,129
dm2754 That's...oh so accurate. *high five*
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Male 9,188
holygod I've heard of Occupy Democrats the rest never heard of.

As far as your observation about the standards of liberals and conservatives, I completely agree.  Conservatives have no standards,  at least they are caught hook line and sinker into identity and partisan politics.  While it's not unique to Conservatives they are the ones suffering the most from disinformation.  Liberals have biases but it's NOTHING like the Conservative Fact Free Zone bubble.
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Male 6,496
holygod, "I'm pretty liberal. However, i've never even heard of Patribotics, Palmer Report, Occupy Democrats, or any of the other liberal sources in the red rectangle."

The only one I've heard of is Occupy Democrats but I have never gone to their site. I couldn't imagine polluting my mind with that partisan garbage. 
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Male 747
markust holygod, I once posted a chart that was generated by occupy democrats.  I found it on a friend’s Facebook page, who I consider to be a good, critical thinker.  I suspect like me, he didn’t know that the source is a liberal version of breitbart.  For the most part, the facts checked out... except the ones I pointed out in the post.  If you’re curious which one it was, you can find it here.
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Male 9,188
skeeter01 Sometimes the information from those partisan sites is accurate, it's okay to post something from them WHEN it's accurate.  It's just one of those you need to research before you post type of sites.  SOMETIMES breitbart reports factual t hings, but the majority of the time it's nonsense.
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