Massachusetts Judge Sides With School That Uses Electric Shocks On Its Students

Submitted by: daegog 1 week ago in News & Politics


What ever happened to just getting a paddle and whacking them on the ass?
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Male 492
Not cool.........hate to see anything like this still happening in America.........:(
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Male 1,785
uninformed people think this is cruel treatment.  BUT an important part of schooling mentally challenged students is how to enforce behavior that is acceptable to society.  What happens when these kids "age-out" of school, and end up mentally disabled, homeless, and living on the streets....having been taught no social coping skills.  this school is actually doing them a big favor.
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Male 492
spanz Your a moron......this is not the way to help these children......would you do this to your child? The person on the other end of that would just need to be touched once by one and they would never do this to another child ever. Not the way I usually talk to people by calling them/you a moron but if the shoe fits.................:)
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Male 7,982
spanz You know nothing about this. Nobody else does this, for good reason. Because it may subdue and force compliance on the subject but that's it? Job done? Let them out later. It's stupid and cruel and I am not uninformed.
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Male 2,378
LordJim   Isn't it always  "force compliance" and if it causes them to be able to function relatively normally in society then has it not fulfilled its purpose. 
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Male 492
casaledana NOPE!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Male 2,378
I don't know, the judge seemed to think that the school was using it properly. Aversion therapy has a long storied history. It has worked and  worked well, I for one was under the threat of physical punishment, in the form of spankings and I received only a few all told, just the threat quickly became the only thing needed. Of course I was not mentally challenged at the time. 
   And with just a side note are these people committed to this school, or are they placed there by parents.  I would think that if they are placed there by parents they could ether oped out or just remove them form the school. 
  And this may be a last choice alternative for some people to try and help them before they are just stockpiled because of their self control problems, hence the only school to offer this treatment.
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Male 7,982
casaledana  I for one was under the threat of physical punishment, 

You have mentioned this quite often.
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Male 2,378
LordJim  Yes and when properly used it taught me proper behavior that has lasted my entire life. It eventually gave me a very free teen years because I was well aware of the consequences of doing stupid stuff. And don't get me wrong the physical threat part did not last my entire child hood, but was stopped as I said with only a few real punishments. But it instilled in  me the reality of cause and effect. Which the people in this case are having a very  hard time acquiring.  
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Male 492
casaledana What if they never do "acquire" the cause or effect.....then basically you just shocked the crap out of a child for no reason.....if this was ever done to me I would spend the rest of my life trying to kill the person that did it to me........just sayin.
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Male 17,099
They better hope no students or alumni ever get access to guns
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Male 492
Draculya You are absolutely correct.....please see the receptionist for your parking validation.........:)
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Male 765
Electroshock is only one of the Level III aversives, but it's the nastiest one. This treatment of non-compliant children is intended to put an end to symptoms without the need to discover and treat underlying causes. In the several decades that I worked with kids like this, I would never have agreed to use any of these aversives, nor would I have countenanced their use by co-workers. The results are quick, but ephemeral, and build up resentment in the subjects that inevitably complicate their existing problems.

It is inhumane, and it doesn't really work. Either of those alone should be enough.
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Male 7,982
semichisam01 Quite agree. i worked in the field for about 20 years and policy was clear and well practiced; anticipate, de-escalate and ( if you must ) restrain. Pain compliance? If you even consider that you should not be in the job.Or any job, for that matter, if your thing is enforcing compliance through pain.
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Male 492
LordJim You are so correct........:) Thank you for having the knowledge that this is like the worst fucking thing you could ever do to a person or child.
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Male 43,339
I would like to use this on some lazy co-workers.
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Male 9,643
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Male 43,339
megrendel   I have a cane that doubles as a stun gun. Here's a pic

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Male 7,982
Don't fucking try it with me, pal. Just don't. It will not end well.
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5,778
Okay for the millionth time. Electroshock therapy is not torture it's a scientifically proven medical procedure. The kids aren't freaking out because they're getting Electro treatment. They're getting Electro treatment because they're freaking out.
For those of you who don't understand. I recommend reading the late Carrie Fisher's memoirs
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Male 492
dm2754 Your ignorance is showing.......you might want to put that away before we all think your just......well, never mind....actually.....I wish this could be done to you just one time....just once....and I bet you would change your mind on this.
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Male 7,982
dm2754 For someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about you are very cocky. 

And these days we have the internet so if you say  "  scientifically proven " you are genenerally expected to link to something respectable and recent. Otherwise don't claim it.
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Male 38
dm2754 As Captkangaroo stated, there is a difference between what is being used on these kids and the widely accepted practice of ECT (which is what Carrie Fisher used).

What you see being depicted in this video is the use of a remote controlled electronic device that is made of electrodes attached to the persons skin. The individual is shocked while awake, with the intended effect to be positive punishment, leading to behavioral change where the individual is supposed to learn to avoid the behavior that lead to the painful stimuli (aversion "therapy"). There is little data to support that this method has any long-term therapeutic effect on an individual with learning disabilities. However, there is plenty of evidence it has long-term, negative psychological effects, as well as can cause pain, skin burning and blistering, and as one could imagine anger issues. In fact, in an attempt to do a quick literature review of the pro's and con's of this technique, I can find no peer-review publication more recent than Lichstein and Shreibman (1976), supporting its use. It is an antiquated method, which is likely the reason why the school mentioned in this post is the only one in the USA that uses it.

ECT, on the other hand, is conducted under anesthesia, where electrodes are placed on the scalp and mild shocks are generated to change the firing pattern of neurons. This is not aversion "therapy". This is a biomedical treatment. It has been shown to be efficacious across a variety of mental disorders (e.g., depression, anxiety disorders, autism) and is therapeutic uses is well-supported by research.
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Male 7,982
shieldbash Thank you.
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Male 3,833
dm2754 
What is shown in this video is pain compliance, NOT electro-convulsive treatment - ECT.
These are two very different things.
As for Carrie Fisher's credibility, she was bi-polar, a substance abuser, and had made some claims that were never substantiated. 
Hence, not a solid credible person.
As for the judge, I wouldn't mind spending a little quality time introducing her to a cattle prod.
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Male 6,088
dm2754 Zero credibility.
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5,778
daegog what? How is Carrie Fisher not credible when she can give you a frist  hand account.
You must just be trolling i suppose.
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dm2754 Because first hand accounts are notoriously unreliable. Human memory and perception does not work like a video recording. One first hand account is essentially meaningless. And before you go Star Wars fanboy psycho on me, no I am not dissing Carrie Fisher. Merely pointing out that 1) people perceive things in varying ways and 2) what is being used here is not what Carrie Fisher refers to. It has already been pointed out repeatedly but you need extra help with the concept. 
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Male 6,088
dm2754 I'm not referring to Carrie Fisher, i'm referring to you.  You literally just make shit up.  
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