Where In The World Is It Easiest To Get Rich?

Submitted by: Draculya 4 months ago in Lifestyle


Also, why Norwegians aren't emigrating to the USA.
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Male 109
1. It's not meant to be easy to become rich. People who become rich easily don't have my respect as someone who's busted his ass to earn what little he's gratefully got in life. 2. This is fair enough, as my life here in The States is just fine and I aspire very little to move to a part of the world like Norway. I imagine the same can be said by a great number of people, despite all the trash we talk and have room to talk about our part of the world. 

It's important to keep in mind that no one and no place is perfect...I'm looking at you Norway, Sweden, United Kingdom, France, and Canada. 
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Male 18,074
UberBored21 yeah, nobody's talking about some kind of dotcom style boom, where random people suddenly become millionaires.

We are talking about the classic "American dream". A poor person can work hard all their life with a reasonable expectation of dragging themselves just one rung up the social ladder, from nothing to a professional or to a small business owner.

It's getting harder to do in America than it was for the baby boomers and they had it harder than people who arrived as immigrants before the war. The economy isn't really slowing down as fast as social mobility is.

Ordinarily it would be a sign to emigrate, but poor uneducated people have few options to do so. You can't just say you're tired of scrubbing toilets and want to move to Scandinavia to change trajectory.
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Male 109
Draculya You're right, nobody is referring to that, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring it up or make the assumption that I meant that. I've worked hard all my life, and I don't feel like I'm being screwed out of my American dream. I'm admittedly upper lower class, but I'm still very grateful for and content with what I have, which is a lot more than a considerable amount of people here and around the world. I look around at The United States, which is where I live, and I see plenty of people making big money doing work that doesn't justify how much they reel in, it makes me fucking sick. People make more in this part of the world for playing a children's game than the men and women saving lives and educating us. I also see a lot of lazy ass people who would rather live off the system than get out and earn the American dream they think should just be handed to them. A metaphorical dream isn't like a real one, they're not automatic, they're built. It's easy for us North Americans to be discontent with our idea of the American dream until we look around at the rest of the world and see what a total state of disrepair a large portion of it is in compared to us. This all being expressed, I understand that The United States has much room for improvement, this can be said the world as a whole. I'm being given no sign to immigrate. I'd rather work through my hardships than commit a defect as of now. If I was to leave The United States, it would probably be for someplace closer to Canada.
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Male 658
Oddly, he doesn't mention the oil that funds Norway.  They don't spend the profits, but save them and spend the interest on it instead.  It's a big part of the economy.
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Female 5,271
abetterworld I thought they spend all their oil profits on funding electric cars, every fucking one there owns a god damned Tesla.
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Male 258
abetterworld The oil revenue (for the giovernment spending) is about 17% of the total sum spent.
Here are two sources:
English: https://www.norskpetroleum.no/en/economy/governments-revenues/
Norwegian: https://www.statsbudsjettet.no/Statsbudsjettet-2018/Satsinger/?pid=83811
VAT is 23% and taxes are 20% of the governments revenue this year.
The Norwegian government is liberal now so the tax revenues has gone down while VAT and oil revenue has gone up. 
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Male 18,074
Essen yeah, I think socialism is only possible in rich countries with populations that are not growing fast.
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Male 109
Draculya Except North America is irrefutably kind of socialistic, so...I mean, we have democratic socialistic parties and there was Bernie Sander's presidential campaign. No surprise the shit ton of fools that voted for Hillary or Trump thought Bernie was a full-fledged socialist and worried about the addition of a socialistic element entering an authoritative position in a part of the world that already has socialistic parties.
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Female 5,271
I'd move to Scandinavia, but there's too many muslim immigrants there now, and half the place is still glowing from Chernobyl...
sorry about all the comments btw.
chatty today.
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Female 5,271
real money? you guys use real money? ha. Most of my country uses eftpos cards and internet banking. About 75% of banks are now closed, I have to drive an hour to get to a bank and it closes at lunchtime from lack of customers.
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Female 5,271
ewwww wtf are all these weird people doing working in toilets?
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Female 5,271
Not New Zealand. You can be happy middle class, you can have a beautiful lifestyle and be poor here,  but chances are you're not going to make it big.  I don't know where all these rich people that live here are supposed to be hiding. Actually I do, I think they may all live in the same suburb in Auckland. Cause his statistics would only equate to about 1000 people in the whole country....
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6,557
 I would go with Honduras. You're very rich if you have $ 1,000. Getting rich is esay and you can get away with killing anyone who gets in your way
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Male 18,074
dm2754 I've known a few guys who similarly moved to the Philippines etc

But that's more of a downward trajectory thing, making do with a meager pension.
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Male 18,074
Scandinavian politics falls far to the left of where I stand. I abhor unions, high minimum wages, high social security, high taxes and excessive automation.

Nevertheless, I find his claims fascinating, particularly that it results in higher social mobility and quality of life for the working classes.

I challenge you all to discuss and debate this without resorting to partisan politics.

If you are up for an even bigger challenge, try debating from the opposite side of where you usually stand and see the topic with fresh eyes.
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Male 258
Draculya I can confirm the higher social mobility claim. It is not perfect but you see that poorer kids still can get an education or upstart loan and make it.
One argument that is not mentioned is the fact that people who are incompetent don't work since you have a stronger social security payment. You have a better workforce because of that.
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Female 5,271
Draculya why would you hate a union? whats wrong with a group of people organising to get better working conditions? 
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Male 18,074
emmettyville unions sound good in principle, but so does Communism. The reality is unions are rife with problems and abuses. My wife's family ran a union.

I'm willing to be proved wrong, but it would take some convincing.
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Female 5,271
Draculya The last time I was in a union, we had a collective union agreement which made for better conditions and wages, and at the time I was working, the union was fighting the government for equal pay for our industry, they won and it upped the wages by about 4 bucks and hour. But NZ has always been fond of unions. 
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Male 1,124
Draculya may I set an Obama timer?
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Female 6,377
Draculya and earn the title of "master debater" :D
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