Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Religion, So The "No Gays" Hardware Sign Is Back Up

Submitted by: daegog 2 weeks ago in News & Politics


And the Christians are the ones under attack? REALLY?

An excerpt from Syracuse.com: A hardware store owner in East Tennessee is celebrating a new Supreme Court ruling by putting up a sign that says "No Gays Allowed."

If that sounds familiar, it's because he's done it before and made national headlines for it three years ago.

WBIR reports Jeff Amyx first put the sign up on his Amyx Hardware & Roofing Supplies store in Grainger County, about an hour outside of Knoxville, back in 2015 after a Supreme Court ruling legalized same-sex marriage nationwide. Amyx, who is also a baptist minister, said gay and lesbian couples are against his religion.

According to USA Today, Amyx later removed the sign following backlash and replaced it with a sign saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone who would violate our rights of freedom of speech & freedom of religion."

But on Monday, Amyx posted a sign saying "No Gays Allowed" at his store again.

He told WBIR that he was celebrating a "win" after the Supreme Court narrowly ruled in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. The SCOTUS ruling said the Colorado Civil Rights Commission violated Jack Phillips' rights under the First Amendment, though Colorado law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The story checks out on Snopes, too.
There are 32 comments:
Male 399
My recommendation to anyone upset by this kind of thing is to  watch the The Dump store scene from the movie "Falling Down."  I'm not condoning taking similar action, but at least you can enjoy a little vicarious release.
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Male 6
Alright so reading a lot of these comments there seem to be some misconceptions running amok currently.  I've been digging around hoping to find some clarifications and have found what I can in this regard.  Now I want to preface this all with what this business is doing is ethically disgusting and abhorrent even in the eyes of their claimed religion.  Also that I am not a lawyer and this is research done through personal running about through as many legal websites as I can.  That said lets get into the meat of the matter.

Is this legal.  Currently federal law has a specific set of protected classes in regards to many things.  
  • Race.
  • Color.
  • Religion or creed.
  • National origin or ancestry.
  • Sex.
  • Age.
  • Physical or mental disability.
  • Veteran status.
  • Genetic information.
  • Citizenship.

This is what Federal law protects.  Sex in regards to overall refers to ones birth gender.  Laws have been put in place regarding orientation and gender identity in regards to employment but not yet placed into effect in other areas.

Many states have added orientation to this list in regards to their own laws, but that does not mean all of them have.  Those that haven't allow people like this guy to do what he has done.  Obama and his crew did work hard to add sexual orientation and gender identity to the things people can sue as discrimination over.  Unfortunately that got undone by Trump and his crew.  Tennessee is among the list of states currently lacking in these laws.  So yes he is allowed to do this based on as much research as I can track down.  No he shouldn't do it, it's obnoxious, it's BS, and it sets back the country and even the human race by decades.  

In regards to the Colorado ruling, as has been pointed out, he objected only to being required to make a custom cake.  They made no attempt to simply buy one of the others.  A few comparable examples.  "I want you to do a nude photoshoot of me" to a photographer who objects to doing nude shoots period.  "I want you to paint a picture of Jesus fucking the Virgin Mary" to any christian artist.  "I want you to draw the prophet muhammad" to any muslim artist.  "I want you to sculpt me a 50 foot statue of a cock" to any sculptor who simply doesn't want to.  If you make something custom that is art, and yes baked goods like wedding cakes are art, you are not by any stretch required to conform to someone else's desires in regards to what you create, and may refuse anything you find objectionable.  


Hopefully what I've found is accurate and up to date.  If anyone has any specific sources contradicting any of these statements please share.  As thorough as I try to make my research it will never be flawless and I will undoubtedly miss some things at times.

May whatever you believe in bring you comfort and provide the world with more light and joy.
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Male 149
My question is why as a gay person would you want to support an ignorant asshole  by doing business with them. You will not change their mind by forcing them to do business with you all you'll do is support a person who is clearly a bigoted asshole with your hard earned money. I know it isn't right or fair or nice, and no it shouldn't be, but why would you want to support their establishment? 
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Male 1,370
geobas1 And when in your small town, business refuse to serve you because you're black? Or short?  Or stutter? Or a recent immigrant? Or Catholic? The USA grew up from that bullshit. (at least in a legislative sense, some folks continue to fail that grade and are being left behind)
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Male 2,332
I think that this guy is not just wrong but damn wrong,  I don't understand how buying a mass produced faucet infringes on a religion that preaches tolerance and forgiveness. And that does not count the basic Idea of the United States which is also equality and unity. 
   I do feel that a business should keep the right to withhold services but this is not one of the reasons that I would agree with, as would most Americans, I think.
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Male 43,008
I want to open a business and put a 'No Christians Allowed' sign up.

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Male 2,211
Gerry1of1 You should be able to
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Male 1,370
chicagojay Nope.  As above.  When your business serves the public, you serve the public in its entirety.  You may refuse a unique request from that person, but if their request is part of your normal business practice, they will be served.

Your right to be a dickhead is overruled by their right to be normal.
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Male 660
The hardware guy is an idiot, that's not what the Supreme Court said. If a Gay person went into the bakery and wanted to buy a cake from the display case they could buy it. A custom cake is different, it needs to be created for a specific purpose. The baker has the right not to create anything they find objectionable. 
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Hell yeah Christians are under attack that's why they call it a Jihad
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Male 1,370
dm2754 And if we're not under attack by another religion, we'll attack each other!
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Male 328
I'm torn by this.  Business should be allowed to refuse service but not for that reason.  But it does open up the option to reverse discriminate against these christofacist fucks using the same logic.  
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Male 5,933
prichards114 My problem with it is primarily is that that sign is not a tenet of the Christian Faith.  Jesus said love thy neighbor and do not judge.  That sign is clearly the opposite of Christian faith.  So on what grounds are they allowed to refuse service?


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Male 9,587
prichards114 I'm not torn at all.

I agree with the Supreme Court's decision.  I also believe that every store business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone based on any reason.

I also believe that I hope this hardware store faces a severe lack of business and causes it to shut down.  The guy's an asswipe.
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Male 605
megrendel "every store business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone based on any reason."
I would approve that. I also hope business would suffer. More likely, all the other jerks in town would frequent that business, which would prosper. But all the jerks in town would be in one place, and everyone would know the place.
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Male 1,370
megrendel I agree with the US court's ruling, but I can't support the bigotry and open discrimination at play.
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Male 149
punko then take your dollars elsewhere.  Business's should have the right to refuse customers, but customers also have the right to refuse to do business with them.
 Yes they are assholes, but they have the right to be an asshole and we have the right to hold it against them.
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Male 1,370
geobas1 "business should have the right to refuse customers" They can - but only for just cause.  The Supreme Court ruled that you can refuse a customer's request if that request is in direct conflict with your beliefs.  But you cannot refuse a customer's business if that request/service is normal business.

If your business deals directly with the public, then you serve the public in its entirety.  If you do not want to deal directly with the public, then you need a different business. 

To access the public marketplace, you need to meet minimum standards.  These vary by location, as regulated by municipalities and higher tier jurisdictions (states, cantons, provinces, counties and countries).

Refusing to serve a segment of the population solely based on a discriminatory basis is not acceptable in the USA (and most civilized countries).

Folks have the right to be assholes, but where being an asshole derives another of their rights, their right is outranked by the other's.

In other words, the right to be an asshole is less important than basic, fundamental human rights.
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Male 9,587
punko If your business deals directly with the public, then you serve the public in its entirety.  

Using that logic, you could force a children’s clothing store to sell dildos. A business, at it’s very core, is a person. A person has the right of association. 

punko In other words, the right to be an asshole is less important than basic, fundamental human rights.

Sorry, I hadn’t realized that buying a chai tea from a specific owner was a fundamental human right. (Oh wait, it’s not)
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Male 2,172
The cause of this problem (and most of the others) is simple. Religion.
If you live your life based on the writings of uneducated goat fuckers 
from thousands of years ago, you're a fucking idiot.
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Male 149
oobaka I agree but a bigger problem is everyone thinking they get to tell everyone else what to do with themselves. They want to be ignorant and live ignorant lives then fuck them they can go broke turning away good business. You can't force someone to be a decent human being the best you can do is call them the asshole  they are and get yourself as far from their assholeness as possible. 
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Male 651
I don't see what 'christians' have to do with this guy. We didn't all get together and have a vote.

His sign says 'no gays allowed' and I doubt that will work out well for him and isn't very christian either.
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Male 1,370
johncourage Folks constantly misapply "Christian behaviour".
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Male 43,008
Things like this are why I've just given up on the US. 
Much of this country strives to be stupid and ignorant.
Deny any scientific proven fact and teach you kids the world is flat!
Forget about all that technology right in front of you we never went to the moon.
There are no rovers on Mars. They're all in Arizona rolling around the desert.

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Male 3,769
Since before the time christ was killed - by his own people - christians have been whining about how they're pursecuted.
Whataloadofhooey.
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Male 6,400
I don't understand what make's a person this horrible. Were they molested as a child and think that's what all gays do? Was the bigotry taught to them by their parents or their church? Where does the extreme hatred come from? Or are they just trolling again to get more free advertising.
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Male 16,995
He does not reflect well on his professed religion.
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Male 4,857
There is a difference between what the Supreme Court ruled on and the blatant discrimination this guy is showing by posting the sign.  Here is a good summary of what the ruling actually covered and what it didn't.

"In today’s narrow ruling against the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the Supreme Court acknowledged that LGBTQ people are equal and have a right to live free from the indignity of discrimination,” Human Rights Campaign (HRC) president Chad Griffin said in an emailed statement. “Anti-LGBTQ extremists did not win the sweeping ‘license to discriminate’ they have been hoping for—and today’s ruling does not change our nation's longstanding civil rights laws. Yet the fact remains that LGBTQ people face alarming levels of discrimination all across the country, and HRC’s efforts to advance equality are as urgent as ever."

Nothing was undone, but nothing was advanced either.
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Male 2,098
kalron Agreed. He can't post his "No Gays allowed" sign, since that's discrimination. What he can do is if someone asks him to specifically make something specifically to celebrate a gay relationship, then he can say no. But if they ask him to sell a hammer to a gay man, then he has to sell the gay man a hammer.
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Male 4,857
bliznik I betcha he'd sell a hot lesbian couple a hammer in a heartbeat ;)
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Male 137
bliznik and they can't limit him to ball and peen hammers.
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Male 4,857
elgabalo I see what you did there...
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