Group Travels To Salton Sea, California To Debunk Flat Earth Theory To Believers

Submitted by: fancylad 4 months ago in News & Politics

The ongoing struggle to debunk the flat-earth theory continues. Will the Flat Earthers ever convince the masses?

An excerpt from KESQ CBS: A crowd gathered at the Salton Sea for a rather unusual reason Sunday morning. It's where demonstrations were being done to debunk the flat earth theory.

Waves rippled through at the sea with a crowd of people gathered around. They aren't so much sightseeing but demonstrating science by proving the earth is round.

"There's been an increase in the belief in the flat earth and we've decided to sort of address this in person,” James Underdown, executive director for the Center for Inquiry Los Angeles, said.

It sounds like something straight out of a history textbook, but around 30 flat earth believers were out at the sea, like Mark Sargent, a prominent member of the community who was convinced after reading about it online.

"Nine months later, I'm banging my head on the computer, i said, you know what, I'm going to go the other way with this. I'm not going to prove the globe anymore, I'm going to see if i can prove flat earth,” he said.

Underdown is out to debunk the theory with the Independent Investigations Group, a non-profit focused using scientific means to investigate extraordinary claims. One demonstration involved a boat based target with horizontal stripes.

"We sent the boat out into the water and the farther it goes, the more the stripes disappear."

That's meant to prove the curvature of the earth, however he flat earthers disagreed sparking some debate.

"Anyone convinced from your group that the earth is round,” News Channel 3’s & CBS Local 2’s Jeremy Chen asked Sargent. “Not a chance...it's flat,” he said.

While the experiments at the Salton Sea were to establish one particular scientific fact, with the rise of fake news and the rise in pseudoscience this group is trying to make sure that they're able to do their part to stamp it out.

"So to deny science, disregard and disrespect science I think is a very unhealthy thing that goes on in our society,” Underdown said.

He said groups like the flat earth are gaining numbers with through of social media. It's not a surprise to him, no minds were changed from flat earthers.

"That's a self selecting group, they're obviously not convinced by all the other evidence that is out there that proves and reinforced the idea of a globe earth,” he said.

There are 61 comments:
Male 49
Hey guys, don’t talk bad about my Mother-Earth please, she’s not flat, ok?
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Male 6,292
alienraven Like Florida, right?
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Male 746
What percentage of "Flat Earthers" do you think are people just jerking your chains?
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Male 850
I think the best way to handle this is to put all the flat-earthers on a boat, and send them on a quest to find the edge of the world.  They can come back once they find it.
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Male 6,984
skeeter01 OR just sink the boat and raise the IQ level of the world.
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Male 1,687
daegog "OR just sink the boat and raise the IQ level of the world."

Couldn't we raise the average IQ by eliminating everyone who thinks the flat earthers aren't just trolls with too much time on their hands.
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Male 850
semichisam01 I doubt it.  That is giving the human race (and in particular, American Voters) far too much credit.  

As evidenced by the 2016 election, there is a huge number of people who are dumb enough to vote for our current president.  Moreover, a majority of this same populace believes he is doing a good job, believes that the investigation into Russian meddling into the 2016 election did not happen (or they don't care that it happened), and are slowly being convinced that this same investigation should end.  

Case in point, I saw a stat recently that showed in July 2017, 62% of U.S. citizens polled believed the investigation should continue, and 33% said it should end.  In March 2018, the numbers were at 60% continue, 37% end.  In April 2018 (just ONE MONTH later), the numbers changed dramatically to 54% continue, 43% end.  The difference between March and April?  That's when Team Trump and Faux News started their very public campaign to damage the credibility of the DoJ, FBI, and the Mueller investigation.  

If you fail to see the relevance of this, let me spell it out for you:  It means that Trump, by way of his soon-to-be state TV (Faux News) is succeeding in their blatant efforts to shift public opinion.  Faux News says it, and the morons who make up their audience believe it.  I have no doubt that once that number drops below 50%, Trump will move to end the investigation.
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Male 2,111
We've already solved this.  If the earth were flat, cats would have knocked us all over the edge already.
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Male 3,083
Astronauts, Cosmonauts, Taikonauts, Spationauts...people from 37 countries have been to space.

Flat earthers believe in a global conspiracy theory?
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Male 1,687
jaysingrimm "Flat earthers believe in a global conspiracy theory?"

No. A discal conspiracy theory.
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Male 14
Why do we even argue this? Why do we spend money and time on this? If there are people thinking that the earth is flat, good for them. Darwin will do the rest. Chill out! 
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Male 1,124
paulmartinfr the problem is that they tend to be the type that goes forth and multiplies. 
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Male 740
How do flat earther's explain time zones, if the earth was flat it's all the same time.
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Male 611
Hey flat-earthers,  how come our satellites, and the International Space Station, don't fall to the Flat Earth? What magic keeps them up there? Christianity? 
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Male 6,984
wellsy57 As far as i can tell, they do not believe in satellites, the ISS or gravity.
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Male 2,343
daegog I live in the country so we have very little light pollution. sometimes we'll sit out at night and watch satellites clearly arcing through the sky. I wonder how they would explain that.
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Male 6,984
lockner01 CGI rendered images on the firmament dome, DUH.
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Male 611
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Male 12,953
The only way to completely end this is to do what was supposedly started back in the 60's: Get humankind into space.  Build a space station, get space rockets set up so people can take the family on a weekend space journey away from the earth, get nice big windows so every single person can look out the window and see the earth the size of a tennis ball.  Let them take snapshots, videos, time-lapses, and post them on their social media walls.  Let everyone know someone who has gone into space.  You'll end this very quickly

Since the 60's only something like 500 people have supposedly gone into space via an 'authority', and supposedly 25 or so of those people went to the moon (and evidence is flimsy of that).  

Chop-chop!  get humankind into space!
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Male 1,124
monkwarrior as it is usual with you, everything that comes out of your mouth is simply ridiculous. 
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Male 2,343
bearbear01 I was wondering when he was going to start trolling again. I'm certain that Fancy posted this just to provoke him.  
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Male 1,124
lockner01 I feel bad for the dude, sometimes. Decreasingly. 
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 i feel bad for your trollish ways.  must be a difficult life.
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Male 1,124
monkwarrior fuck off would you? Once again nobody is talking to you and you butt in. 
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 interesting how you continue to whine.  very interesting indeed.
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Male 12,953
lockner01 Oh look, it's back to you trolling again, and it's still almost like you're having a conversation with yourself!  how amazing!
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 as usual with you (demonstrated below as well), your nature is to troll, since that's what you are, demonstrating your own ridiculousness.  Trying to project it on others doesn't work well for you.
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Male 1,124
monkwarrior waah waah waah. For a warrior, you whine like a wuss. 
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 clearly you're the one whining.
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Male 6,117
monkwarrior But truth be known, delusion grasp foist taco 'jabbar' and the (corncob)
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Male 12,953
rumham i  think you might need a dr.
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Male 6,984
monkwarrior How is this a reasonable way to fix this issue?  The problem revolves around education and gullibility.

We need to find better ways to teach people science, we do not need to send morons into outer space so they can see the world is round.

I would go so far as to say anyone so stupid as to think the world is flat SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO to outer space, they are so dumb they might try to open an airlock so they can fly around in zero g like superman.
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Male 1,124
daegog isn't really the problem here that the stupid is proud of his stupidity?
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 you seem quite proud of your stupidity indeed, amazing how you get anywhere in life.
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Male 1,124
monkwarrior shut up, troll. This message was not for you. 
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Male 12,953
bearbear01 proving yourself yet again, great job
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Male 12,953
daegog you're acting exactly like you claim others to be.  Obviously if people were going into space and taking pictures, and people were able to see the pictures not from an 'authority' they would have to admit that that's how thing are.

Teaching science is ok, but we need to teach the truth.  The truth right now is that it's been almost 1/2 a century since humans supposedly went to the moon for the span of 3 short years.  Evidence of it is flimsy, but people who watched it on tv believe it was fact.  We can't send any human to the moon again, as per the 'authorities' own words.  And the 'authority' can't even get the answer straight to the question: can you see stars in space?  The answers only lead the people to question the 'authority'.

While you may be biased and full of petty hate that the media has instilled in you towards people who ask questions, the reality is you can't prove something either way without 'the authority'.  As for me, i think that the more people who can go to space to see the earth, it will go very far at resolving the question of its shape, if we can get to space.  Face it, you're not going to prove the shape of the earth to people who are questioning the space 'authority', as a healthy dose of skepticism can help prevent people believing a lie.  and the 'authority' has many reasons to be questioned (though maybe not by those who blindly drink its kool-aid)
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Male 6,984
monkwarrior Simple question: Do you think mankind went to the moon?
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Male 12,953
daegog 20 years ago i would have said yes probably, today, i'd say the likelihood of that is leaning towards no probably not.  The extraordinary evidence isn't there to match the extraordinary claims. Plus the inability to repeat it outside of that short 3-year span where it supposedly happened, and the same 'authority' saying that we can't get people past LEO, less and less people are saying yes these days than 20 years ago.

Want to fixx it? 

Chop-chop!  Get humankind into space (not just those commissioned by an 'authority')!
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Male 6,984
monkwarrior You do not think we went to the moon, ok, Do you think China went to the moon?  I think they went back in 2013.  Do you think that was a hoax?
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Male 12,953
daegog i have no say if it's a hoax or not.  i'm only saying "today, i'd say the likelihood of that (going to the mooon) is leaning towards no probably not "
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Male 611
monkwarrior  I'm really digging your satire. 
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Male 1,124
Hmm...  I wonder when will... 
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Male 1,124
bearbear01 whoop. There it is. 
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Male 6,117
bearbear01 facinating, very compelling
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Male 18,155
It's not about science. The flat earth movement is for most about trolling and the rest about blind faith in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
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Male 6,496
They should have sent the flat Earthers to the International Banana Museum at the North end of the lake.
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Male 1,687
markust Just a hop, skip and a jump from the Mecca Apostolic Church. 
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Male 44,952
LOL
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Male 153
Gerry1of1 is there another flat earth map on the reverse? One that shows the far shorter route between Australia and South America that goes over the South Pole?
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Male 44,952
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Male 153
Gerry1of1 no, no, that doesn't look like a flat earth map, that looks like a fake news Google Earth. 
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Male 44,952
agurney You would not go over the south pole on a flat earth. There is no south pole, only the border of the entire world. Which is a 200 foot high impenetrable wall of ice that the government guards so no one can approach.  Which government I'm not sure.
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Female 6,451
I've been there on maneuvers a couple of times.  The place smells like a Lilith Fair only no patchouli.
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Male 6,496
melcervini Did you get a chance to drive through Slab City? That place is freaky.
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Female 6,451
markust lol naw, but we heard of it in passing (no stops allowed) Convoy in, helo out.
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Male 6,496
melcervini Yeah, pulling into Slab City in a convoy would have freaked the squatters completely out. My dad had a rifle pulled on him in front of our family the first and last time I was in there.
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Female 6,451
markust I just read more up on it, dayam lol
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Male 6,496
melcervini It's no longer the hippy utopia from Into the Wild. Now it's more like a post apocalyptic movie. We had a small plane fly over us and land in the road as we were fleeing from the lunatic with the rifle.
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Male 5,192
melcervini Patchouli, now that stirs some memories.
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Male 1,738
Geez guys, its not "Its sea level not sea curved" it should be "Its sea level not sea sloped".  See level and sloped are descriptors of how tipped something is. level and curved don't go together..

As an aside, if the sea isn't sloped how do we have water skiers?
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