Kanye West Suggests African-American Slavery Was "A Choice"

Submitted by: daegog 3 weeks ago in News & Politics


An excerpt from CNN

Tuesday brought us two Kanyes.

The first was a man who opened up about his mental health, his family, and his art in a nearly-two hour interview with radio host Charlamagne Tha God.

The second was a Kanye who appeared at the TMZ headquarters where he had this to say:
"When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... For 400 years? That sounds like a choice."

The rapper went on to add:

"You were there for 400 years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned."
Provocative statements are second nature to the 40-year-old rapper. And this week he's been making headlines left and right, including proclaiming his love for President Trump.
But when he made his off-handed remark about slavery, TMZ employee Van Lathan took him to task for it.

"While you are making music and being an artist and living the life that you've earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives," Lathan said. "We have to deal with the marginalization that's come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice."

Lathan added, "Frankly, I'm disappointed, I'm appalled, and brother, I am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me, that's not real."
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Kanye is STILL an idiot.This is nothing new.
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dm2754 It's only 3:13 long. Was that a typo?

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I think I got what he meant. In context of what he said before black people are mentally imprisoning themselves. As they did in Slavery because it was the mental chains which kept it so long if they refused theyd probably die but slavery wouldnt carry on. If they followed others who escaped/revolted/killed itd ended sooner. Kanye was saying why does he have to be defined by being black. Why can't he like Trump or have pride in USA America under MAGA. 

See it in the UK Savid Javid gets home secretary position. Suddenly its okay for labour and left wingers to be racist he gets called uncle Tom, Coconut token etc. Chuka Umana gets it when hes told hes not proper black and hes a left wing mp.

Someones race doesnt have to dictate what they do or what they think. You dont have to be trapped in a thought prison and attack those which leave it, or view everything in that prism. 

Guy at work asked how a colleague who was not thete 'Ola' is properly pronounced a white guy replied and then asked how original guy thought its said. Guy then loudly asking why u asking me is it because im the only black guy here.  White guy replied no because you asked the question. I can name several other times that guy sees instant racism when its not there. It makes people touchy and actually puts back as people just think he exagerates stuff. When im sure he genuinely does get some discrimination.

And to counter the Straw man this doesnt mean you have to ignore problems of today which exists to think there is a self perpetuating victim complex which stops progress. 


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jayme21 "Suddenly its okay for labour and left wingers to be racist"

Your mentally deranged if you think Labour and left wingers are anywhere close to as racist as the conservatives and the right....
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Male 5,657
dm2754 Who told you that guy is a problack leader?  He might be YOUR leader, so he can be a black leader of whatever you are claiming to be .. But he isnt a leader of black people.
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daegog i see, you speck for Black people 
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i like turtles
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rumham what about tortoises?
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Male 16,809
As a thought exercise, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he had a good message that was badly delivered.

[Slavery was wrong. People in the slave trade were responsible for the practice. Many white people were and remain reluctant to welcome black people as equals ...that said...]

Many minority people exacerbate and perpetuating the unfairness by reinforcing stereotypes and failing to embrace people of other races. I understand the reason is they are oppressed and they want to own their oppression in their culture as a way of protesting it. For example, rappers making out that they are drug dealers, pimps and gangstas reinforces that stereotype.

 
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Male 51
Im pretty appalled that the population continues to watch TMZ. 
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Male 42,583
Trump is the white Kanye.  They're megalomaniac attention whores.
Everyone is talking about him. Mission Accomplished. 
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Male 2,256
Boy he just opened a can of worms.
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casaledana it's been said many times before by many people.
Harriet Tubman brought it up.
It was the most pervasive statement during The Louisiana slave rebellion.
Even William Wallace brought it up.

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dm2754 "This is the truth I tell you: of all things freedom's most fine. Never submit to live, my son, in the bonds of slavery entwined." William Wallace – His Uncle's proverb, from Bower's Scotichronicon c.1440s
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Male 12,002
Kanye west has some truly brilliant lyrics, but everything else out of his mouth is fucking retarded.
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holygod He has also put out some total crap...
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Male 42,583
I suppose Kanye {aka MC DumFuk} is technically correct 
about slavery being a choice in that there was the option to suicide.
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Gerry1of1 suicide as in the statement "Give me liberty or give me death".
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Male 5,657
I think there are three most probable scenarios here:

1) Kanye is just trolling so he can get some more publicity for his new album.

2) Kanye legitimately misspoke, he was on a stream of consciousness and what he said isn't precisely what he meant, it came out wrong.

3) Kanye is just an ignorant fucktard

Which is the truth?  Dunno.
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daegog all of the above?
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Male 6,179
That wasn't just a TMZ employee who spoke up. Van Lathan is TMZ's Senior Producer. Here is the full interview and confrontation. The clip the media is using is spliced up pretty good.
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This is what happens when the media takes a comment made by someone who struggles to get their point across, and then tear him apart because of their misunderstanding of what was said and then spread the misunderstanding to everyone else.

For example: Anyone who brings up the "(Some) black people were slaves to (some) white people hundereds of years ago, there for white people are racist" are mentally imprisoned by slavery.
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layla_wilson well said.

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layla_wilson Nice strawman.
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daegog "We have to deal with the marginalization that's come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice" It is a choice to be mentally imprisoned by a historical period.

change the word Slavery to oppression and it perfectly describes Scotland's treatment by the English in the past. If I in current times still hold a grudge about it, as it has diminished a lot of Scottish heratige. I would be choosing to be mentally imprisoned by the oppression.

Simply put, continue bitching and moaning about slavery in the past, and continue to be mentally imprisoned by slavery. That's YOUR choice.
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layla_wilson Scots were the primary actors and beneficiaries of the triangular trade.
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layla_wilson "...by the English in the past". And that's precisely the difference. Key, fundamental difference from where you cannot tie both experiences together. The black community feels that their problems, though not literal enslavement, are a matter of the present, not the past. Furthermore, it is arguably a systemic issue and thus a cross-generations issue, so personal choices carry the additional weight of group detachment. To say "it's your choice" is such a radical simplification of circumstances that begs education. 
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layla_wilson When did black people choose to make redlining a thing?  You see redlining is a direct result of the MARGINALIZATION that came from 400 years of slavery.

Why SHOULD the average black person have done to combat it?  

You see redlining prevented black people enmasse from joining the middle class, it was purposeful and targeted.  When the country was revitalized by the war effort of world war 2, the black people were not allowed to gain anything resembling wealth or equity.

To the best of my knowledge, it didnt end till the late 1960s, and that was SOOO long ago right?

You are looking at slavery like its some giant boogie man that black people sit around and "bitch and moan" about, but its literally not.  
I am not concerned about being a slave, im concerned about being killed by cops, about my outrageous insurance and mortgage rates, and heaven fucking forbid i get arrested for any reason, then my life and career are over.

But please, go on and tell me how im mentally imprisoned by slavery, whatever floats ya boat.
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daegog It didn't end at all in the 1960s. I did missionary work in Mississippi in 1994 in a town called Mendenhall, and train tracks still segregated blacks & whites. In the late 80s, the sheriff murdered some black people and nothing happened to him, etc. etc. 

I lived in NYC after that (well into late 2000s) and saw the systemic targeting of most of my friends who...suuurrpprriisseee...are black. 

What most white people don't get (I'm white) is that these systems have continued to create suppression overall, and it's traced back obviously to slavery and civil rights. I don't get why that's so hard for so many people to understand.

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daegog "im concerned about being killed by cops, about my outrageous insurance and mortgage rates, and heaven fucking forbid i get arrested for any reason, then my life and career are over." 

Sorry you live in such a shithole of a country. if its that bad why don't you leave?

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layla_wilson The fact that you see slavery as merely "oppression" means you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Are you seriously stipulating that being dragged around in chains & owned as property the same as being oppressed?

And wrt to that, are you seriously unable to see how systemic slavery and the subsequent oppression has not continued to put white people ahead of black people? Do you know where most of the old money in this country comes from? Do you know how many black people are a member of the good 'ol boys club? Do you understand that the combination of those two drive policies in this country? Do you somehow think every new generation starts off on equal footing with equal available opportunity? c'mon.

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devthep You've misinterpreted what ive written. I don't see slavery as merely oppression and never said anything like that. 

America isn't the pinnicale of the world, stop talking as if it is. America is fucked up when it comes to black rights and the equality gap between . In the UK and many other western nations Black people have equal opportunities to white people, aswell as many other ethnicities. there are many black, Asian, Arab, south American ect "old boys club" members within "white" countries (note I don't believe any country should be designated as one ethnicity)

"are you seriously unable to see how systemic slavery and the subsequent oppression has not continued to put white people ahead of black people?"

its put white AMERICANS ahead of black AMERICANS. this is a problem that seems to be pretty limited to America so ill leave it with yous. I've encountered differences in opinion regarding racism on here in the past, but at the end of the day it stems from differences in culture from where we live. What I seem to have established is as I said previously.

America is a shithole of a country.

p.s. I don't mean any offence out of this, I can just be rather opinionated.
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layla_wilson Its a shithole, but its hand I was dealt.  I cannot leave because it would mean abandoning my family (many of whom are getting older and need help regularly).

Now if i was wealthy, I would move the lot of them out of here in a heartbeat, but that's not the case.  Hmmm, maybe i will play the powerball tonight lol.
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daegog That's not a strawman.  There are in fact some people who believe, say and think exactly that.  That doesn't mean that everyone in any group believes it, says it or thinks it, nor did layla say any such thing.
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cjeffblanchr Whom and why are they relevant to what kanye recently said?
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Male 547
Is he coming out with an album soon and needs the press or what?  Moronic thing to say in the least.

It was a societal problem, not an individual one.  
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Male 21,392
Beaverfever Yep, new album coming out soon -- he's already leaked one song. 
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Male 547
fancylad I assumed as much.  Kim and Kanye: Social parasites.
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Male 42
Do you feel that I’m feeling, that I’m being free? Anybody? Can somebody please acknowledge me, look at all my feelings and adore me? Can someone help me feel a tad more secure here as a free thinker? Anyone?!
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Male 595
alienraven being black is a choice. 
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Male 4,893
Can't stand this guy but I think I know where he was coming from.
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Male 3,690
400 years of slavery? Bullfuckingshit. Not in the United States.
In Africa, sure. They be enslaving each other over there - always have. Mebbe always will. In the United States, it IS a choice to be enslaved by ignorance and/or poverty.
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Male 7,551
captkangaroo Obviously not in the US,  which isn't that old, but the trans-Atlantic slave trade got going about 1500. 
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Male 9,488
captkangaroo For some strange reason, people tend to associate slavery only with the US.  

They always seem to forget that slavery existed outside of the US, before the US was ever even founded and continued well past the time where it was outlawed in the US.
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megrendel 
As we are discussing Americans in America, it seems reasonable to focus on America and American blacks.
Yes, no?
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Male 12,002
megrendel Well in Fairness there was slavery in America way before it was America.
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Male 7,551
megrendel Very true, but when black Americans discuss the legacy of slavery they are referring to a specific time and place.  
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Male 9,488
LordJim True, Black Americans would be concerned, specifically, with slavery in America...which strangely evolved from slavery elsewhere.
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Male 7,551
megrendel Why " strangely "? Always existed,  still does.  
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Male 9,488
LordJim 'strangely' in a sarcastic sense since most idjits think it is a wholly American invention.
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Male 172
megrendel That's right, my Scottish ancestors were indentured slaves. Then got ripped off and got no land.
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Male 16,809
Black reporter pwned him
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Male 595
That was a really great realtime exchange. I appreciate the civility, most of all. I know of, but don't watch tmz, but wow, that was eloquent and surgical. 
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Male 546
Kanye is right. Anyone that thinks of themselves as a slave without actually being a slave, is only imprisoning themselves.
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Male 7,551
johncourage Except he's referring to actual slaves.  
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Male 546
LordJim Except he wasn't.
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well it was. they could have fought to the death like we did.
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dm2754 When did you fight to the death? 
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LordJim in my previous life when I killed your grandfather you don't want to know what I did to your grandmother
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dm2754 Seriously,  who's "we"? 
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Male 7,551
dm2754 So you are either a mining accident or  lung cancer.  Fine. But that " fight to the death " thing . Who's "we"?
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LordJim the American Indian Wars. Thought it was obvious.
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Male 595
LordJim 'twas the great buttplug war of 1969. 
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bearbear01 I take it you're still sore about what I did to you
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dm2754 Who's "we"?
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dm2754 your wit, isn't. 
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bearbear01 I use some lube on you next time if you ask nicely. 
I know you don't like the plug and much as you like to have me in you.
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" Jackass. "

B. Obama. 
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kalron you hobbit
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"art"
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Male 21,392
I love how that reporter at the end (Van Lathan) put Kanye in his place. He's probably never been talked to like that ever since he became famous. 
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fancylad Except the reporter failed to address Kanye's point that black people aren't slaves but thinking of yourself as a slave puts you in a prison. The reporter just mouthed off some gibberish about life being hard. And it seemed as though Kanye went to the man to discuss but that part was cut.
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Male 21,392
johncourage I think the TMZ reporter was talking more about the bigger picture, and the irresponsible way he's been spouting off without facts to back his words up. 
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Male 4,893
johncourage I know, in no way was West referring to the North American slave trade but no matter what you say people will hear what they want to.
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trimble VERTBATIM:

"When you hear people talking about slavery for 400 years, that sounds like a choice"

What lasted 400 years that he was referring too?
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daegog See?
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trimble daegog is exacly the type of person West is talking about. People choosing to be victims, choosing to be in prisons.
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Male 5,657
trimble No, I don't can you explain what he was talking about?
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Male 4,893
daegog A mindset. 
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Male 5,657
trimble So you know the mindset of a slave born in the late 1700s?

Do you appreciate how up your own ass you sound?
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