California Restaurant That Bans "Loud" Kids Has Parents In An Uproar

Submitted by: fancylad 1 week ago in News & Politics

Old Fisherman’s Grotto in Monterey has been in business since 1950 and is known for its quiet dining atmosphere, owner Chris Shake says. However, to ensure that the fine-dining establishment stays that way, the Grotto posted a sign outside the restaurant.

The sign reads, “No strollers, no high chairs, no booster chairs. Children crying or making loud noises are a distraction to other diners, and as such are not allowed in the dining room.”

Though Shake points out the policy — and the sign — have been in place for years, it has recently been gaining attention because of a posting on social media.

“Whoa. I’ve never seen this before. I’m canceling my reservation at the restaurant after seeing this picture on Yelp — and I will not even have my toddler,” Angela Espinoza wrote in a Facebook group for Bay Area moms, Fox 11 reported.

Now Old Fisherman’s Grotto is getting mixed reviews on Yelp -- here are a couple negative reviews... 

“No kids sign I saw is the sole reason this should be 0 [stars]. I don’t care if the owners do charity and give to the community. People seem to think charity gives them an excuse to do whatever they want — it’s quite two faced to be discriminatory while pretending you’re actually a bedrock of the community. Wish I had noticed this sign earlier bc I never would have spent $ here.”

“At one point, another waitress told us people were complaining about our kids and could they be quiet. I’ve never been told to hush my kids before. When I made a comment to the waitress she told me there was a sign outside with rules for children… They are apparently not joking. She was not just unapologetic but incredibly rude about the whole incident."

And here are a couple that are happy brats are no longer welcomed...

"I support your child-free/no screaming kids policy! The irony of these self-centered parents complaining is that THEY are the reason this exists in the first place. EVERYONE is tired of having their meal ruined by a screaming kid and apathetic, inconsiderate, indignant parents who refuse to do anything about it."

"No strollers, no boosters, no high chairs. This is what got me to go into this restaurant! Just the thought that I would be able to have a peaceful meal with no kids yelling, sometimes it’s needed. In all seriousness people need to not get so hurt by this. There was (sic) definitely kids inside the restaurant when we dined in."
There are 44 comments:
Female 1,606
I support this! The parents who are complaining about it know their children are just like the ones that this business is trying to keep out. I HATE being in a restaurant and all of a sudden a kid starts throwing a fit for who knows why... and the parents cant get them to be quiet because they never taught them proper public manners in the first place. Sure, a kid is going to throw tantrums and fits from time to time but thats something that should only happen at home.

When I have the chance, I always thank parents with well behaved children. They love to hear it and they always say thank you for the compliment! I even did this when I worked in retail and they loved to hear it in a store just as much as a restaurant!
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Male 31
lol i hate kids okay , too much sassy , crying , moving -_- i hate them soo what i like eating in peace , not with some retarded kids 
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Male 2,143
I threw a tantrum in public once. Once.
No idea what mom did but I always behaved after that.
It might require therapy or hypnosis to remember LOL
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Male 4
Have to love the parents who claim this is an issue.  Try this at various other businesses.  Go to an opera house, a 5 star restaurant, or even a public library.  Anywhere that people expect quiet, you will be expected to maintain base level control of children or to take loud ones out of the area.  There are plenty of eating establishments that welcome rambunctious children, and plenty that will tolerate them.  It is perfectly fair for a restaurant to have it's own rules.  

Many do, even once you hit the level of adulthood.  There are places that would deny an adult service simply for showing up in jeans and a t shirt.  They still exist.  That's just how this kind of industry functions.  It isn't just the food you pay for at a restaurant it is the atmosphere.  Anything that alters, impacts, or negates that for other customers needs to be a priority for a successful one. 
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Male 6,179
I like the end of the article where they get the owners side of the story:

Earlier in the week, KSBW Action News 8 spoke to restaurant owner Chris Shake. He said that if people don't like the rules, they can go somewhere else.

"If a place has the rules, that's what the rules are," Shake said.  "You go in and abide by the rules or you find a place more suitable for you."

Shake distributed a press release Friday stating that the restaurant has received 100 calls about the signs, only five of them being complaints, since the story aired Monday.

According to the release, reservations went up by 40 percent the day after the story aired. They received phone calls from people from 50 states and a call from an Australian media outlet.

"Well, let's put it this way, I haven't had a down year for over 20 years. Our business continues to grow," Shake said.
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Male 22
I support this as well.  If a dining establishment wants to have no children in their place, so be it.  It's their rules, you abide by them - as you would any other place, not just a restaurant.  There are many people (including myself) that would like to go out to a restaurant, sit down, and enjoy their evening with little interruptions.  So many parents nowadays are so used to their children screaming their brains out, that they can just tune it out with little regards to the people around them.  I hope that this place sticks to their guns and keeps this age old policy in effect.  Good on you.
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Male 1,936
It used to never cease to amaze me when I was a road warrior for many years. I would hit the early dinner hour somewhere, 5:30 or so, and the place would be empty. Oh boy! A cocktail, a nice steak and read the paper. Then the host would seat a large noisy family right next to me when the joint was empty. I understand wanting efficient seating for the waitresses but really. If my order was in I would drop a fiver on the table and walk out. When the host would ask where I was going, I would explain it to them. Like most I don’t mind a well behaved family with kids but when the animals are out of the corral, I’m going some where else. Put them away from your only other customer, not next door.
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Male 7,551
I support this.  Plenty of places are " family friendly " ( the best ones have separate areas  and activities. )
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Male 595
Two opposites throwing simultaneous tantrums. Who will prevail? 

I see the brats of the 80s, grown to be as they want, imposing what they want. I remain curious about their old age. We shall see. 
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Male 6,179
bearbear01 If you are talking about the misbehaving kids and the people who are upset by the sign, I completely agree. If you are talking about the people who are upset by the sign and the owner of the restaurant - swing and a miss.
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Male 595
markust kids and supporters of the sign. 
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Male 6,179
bearbear01 ???? What supporters of the sign are throwing tantrums? The only people I see doing that are against the sign.
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Male 595
markust a tantrum is an irrational demand. Expecting kids to not be loud is irrational. Segregation is an irrational demand.
I welcome that sign as much a sign that says "no blacks allowed" or "no gays allowed". 
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Male 595
7eggert save me a click?
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Male 5,657
No open forum tonight :(  SOOOO lemme leave you guys with a joke, because the last thought of IAB should always be pleasant!




The first-grade teacher, Ms Brooks, was having trouble with one of her students. The teacher asked, "Harry, what's your problem?"

Harry answered, "I'm too smart for the 1st grade. My sister is in the 3rd grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the 3rd grade too!"

Ms. Brooks had enough. She took Harry to the principal's office.

While Harry waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told Ms. Brooks he would give the boy a test. If he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the 1st grade and behave. She agreed.

Harry was brought in and the conditions were explained to him and he agreed to take the test.

Principal: "What is 3 x 3?"

Harry: "9."

Principal: "What is 6 x 6?"

Harry: "36."

And so it went with every question the principal thought a 3rd grader should know.

The principal looks at Ms. Brooks and tells her, "I think Harry can go to the 3rd grade."

Ms. Brooks says to the principal, "Let me ask him some questions."

The principal and Harry both agreed.

Ms. Brooks asks, "What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?"

Harry, after a moment: "Legs."

Ms Brooks: "What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?"

The principal wondered why would she ask such a question!

Harry replied: "Pockets."

Ms. Brooks: "What does a dog do that a man steps into?"

Harry: "Pants."

The principal sat forward with his mouth hanging open.

Ms. Brooks: "What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?"

The principal's eyes opened really wide and before he could stop the answer, Harry replied, "Bubble gum."

Ms. Brooks: "What does a man do standing up, but a dog does on three legs?"

Harry: "Shake hands."

The principal was trembling.

Ms. Brooks: "What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of heat and excitement?"

Harry: "Firetruck."


The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, "Put Harry in the fifth-grade, I got the last six questions wrong."
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Male 188
if you want a nice meal leave the kids with a baby sitter, if you want to take them out go to pizza hut or mcdonalds
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Male 586
If you're complaining about this sign, the reason for this sign is you.

Occasionally loud kids are OK, but if parents neglect their children until they cry for attention, that's not. Also if you take your children to a boring restaurant, don't expect them to switch off like an electric doll while you keep talking for hours after dinner, most likely telling the same old stories about other people again and again. If you didn't teach them to have patience until the waiter comes, you should be their entertainer. Other people can do your work only to an extent.
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Male 6,179
7eggert As kids my brother and I were taught that there was kid time and there was adult time. Kid time could sometimes be boring for our parents and adult time could be boring for us kids but it was explained that that was life. 
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Male 16,809
That sign is a reason to go eat there
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Male 321
I first ate at the Fisherman's Grotto in Monterey California in the summer of 1962. It was then a place where people* could talk loudly or laugh freely. Apparently it hasn't changed. 
*people = adults, or young people who could behave like adults.
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Male 2,143
Nobody loves or even likes the screaming mistake you made while drunk 5-10 years ago.
Why should the public have to listen to the little fuckers make noise?
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Male 586
oobaka I don't think the kids are the mistakes.
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5,314
hell ya! 
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Male 101
This is like a theater near where i live that actually kicks people out for talking too loudly or using their phones. Makes for an environment where you can actually enjoy your meal and company, without having to deal with shrieks and screams, as well as the kids belonging to the screamers.
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Male 871
I liked the restaurant I was recently in. They took reservations for kids until 6PM, then no one under 18 was allowed in. 
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Male 76
Babies are going to cry, that's undeniable and understandable, but when your 7 year old starts throwing a temper tantrum because they don't have McNuggets on the menu is where I draw the line.  Teach your children to behave, remain somewhat quietish during dinner in a fancy place.  My dad would sometimes pay part of the bill for a family with kids sitting nearby if they remained behaved, I honor him by continuing that tradition. 
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Male 42,583
funboy52    Children don't belong in a fancy place. They are for adults to have quiet, civilized dinners.  Children belong at McDonald's or Chuck E Cheese .
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Male 586
Gerry1of1 Well-educated and behaving children are welcome, and well-educated and behaving parents will be aware of the needs of children and not make then be bored.
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Female 5,394
Gerry1of1 I agree, because they can learn how to behave properly in public there, then graduate to the more formal.
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Male 42,583
I promise you, anyone who bitches about this has rotten loud kids.
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Male 5,657
Bring your kids in.. eat your food, order desert, have the kids start yelling before the desert shows up, get kicked out without paying the bill.

Seems legit.
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Male 42,583
They shouldn't take kids out to dinner too young to behave.  My folks didn't. I didn't. 

Make me a reservation at that place!
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Male 1,754
when i had little kids, i wold be abhorred.
Now that my kids are grown, I applaud this sign!

LOL

And lets be honest, a LOT of kids today are NEVER taught even the most basic of manners.  Little snowflakes they are.
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Male 10,225
Another priceless social justice warrior moment - a western media delusion tale.
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Female 5,394
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."
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Male 871
melcervini Doesn't quite work that way though. (Segregation isn't legal, etc). Last I checked, kids weren't a protected class.
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Male 2,256
toetagmodel2   Does not matter if someone is a "Protected Class" you have the right to keep out any one want, you just better be able to prove that it's not because there one of the protected class. Meaning you can kick out someone even if there on the list but it can't be because there Black, or because of their religion, or because they're disabled, etc. but because there a dick head, making excessive noise, trying to start a fight, to drunk etc.
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Male 871
casaledana I completely agree that an individual can exclude themselves from service, but in this case, this population is being denied entry due to age. A very weak argument could be made that this is ageism of sorts. 
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Female 5,394
toetagmodel2 I was only talking about refusing patronage to kids, nothing else (because that's illegal)
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Male 145
toetagmodel2 thats right, kids arent protected, so they can be refused service.
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Male 7,551
aegis1294 My understanding was that kids weren't banned,  just ones who can't behave. 
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Male 9,488
LordJim Basically, he has decided not to accommodate kids.  Nothing to aid their seating (no booster chairs), and probably doesn't have a 'kids' portion of the menu.

And the reserves the right to kick noisy people (including kids) out.
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Male 311
I'd go just to avoid the annoying parents and kids
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