Let's Take A Tour Of The Moon In 4K

Submitted by: Gerry1of1 1 week ago in Science


What say you? A high def tour of the moon thanks to science, or just more lies from NASA because we never went there? Still worth watching either way.
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Male 520
Fascinating. The soundtrack is great, too
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Male 4,811


chug a lug! grasp delusion vortex mega tuna fisk carlton ultra wig fart beef CLUTCH

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Male 4,811
rumham in HONOR OF KALRON! WOOOO PARTY BROZ! HASHTAG HASHTAG
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Male 9,356
meh, anyone can make 3d images these days.  

Lets see a moon base, which actual people going to the moon, and living there.  Actual real working people, not a 'select few' like how only supposedly around 500 people (of billions) have gone to space.  That's pretty dismal for 50+ years of the 'space age' huh?

After 50 years of crossing the Atlantic, there were a LOT more than 500 people in the new world.
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior right on dude!!!
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior trolly mctroll warrior needs an argument to pass the time on his lonely evening
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior four simple letters. D-E-R-P
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Male 9,356
rumham you wasted all this time trolling but spent no time synthing?
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Male 2,856
monkwarrior "meh, anyone can make 3d images these days."

I look forward to your video.
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Male 9,356
jaysingrimm spoken like someone who has never heard of http://www.blender.org
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Male 2,856
I don't care if you use an old copy of Bryce 3D. I'd love to see what you can come up with.
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Male 9,356
jaysingrimm you won't, because i don't post what i do for people to find. I've made a number of planets with textured bump mapping, and it's quite easy to make them.  Literally a sphere with the texture/depth map applied to give it its valleys and peaks.  The render time for 4k would be a bit on the high side, but something like this video could be quite doable.
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Male 2,856
monkwarrior 
Please, I'd love to see these spherical planets that you've rendered.
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Male 9,356
jaysingrimm you won't, like i said.  But don't worry, because as i said, just about anyone can do it these days with a bit of dedication
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Male 2,856
monkwarrior 
Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing something from you.
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Male 9,356
jaysingrimm i don't put personal things on the internet.
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Male 2,856
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Male 42,110
monkwarrior    I agree 500 is dismal. Funding died by short sighted people who could not see the benefits of space exploration
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Male 520
Gerry1of1 But....muh tax cuts!
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior Money.  there was boatloads of money to be made in the New World.  Period.

Currently, there is no viable way to make money going to the moon - at least not with the rate of returns to justify the risk.

So until there is a serious wealth grab in space, it will be limited to the select few who work for governments that still believe in the value of publicly funded science.

Like the China and India - you know, two countries with space programs that have moon landings in their schedule.
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Male 9,356
punko money is the common excuse.. but do you really think you can know all there is about the entire moon just by supposedly spending a few days there?  a presence was required for early settlers to even begin really exploring the land.
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior i know right?!?!
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior No. Sailors found the fish, and the forests, and the game.  They didn't see cities or fleets.  They new it was 'empty' land for the taking.  They saw trees that looked like their trees.  The deer, and bears, were like their own deer and bears.  The species were slightly different, but they knew enough to realize they could live here, if there was  only a way to make money.  The fur trade, tobacco, timber would lead the way. They didn't really understand how large it was until much later.  Permanent settlements were founded by private groups looking to make money and later by religious groups looking for areas to practice  their non-mainstream beliefs.

If the New World was entirely like Antarctica is today, or entirely like the outback of Australia, there would not be anything like the north America we know today.  Without the economic drive to live here, it would be as populated as the Outback or Antarctica.

Now when you've changed to the way we learn about the moon, we can all agree that having a permanent base, somewhat like the Antarctic bases we currently have would be nice.  However, with anti-science sentiment growing in the US since the 70's and the 'winning' of the cold war, the US decided to cut back on science for the sake of knowledge and instead decided to focus first on science for future tech profits, then pushing science into the hands of private groups as much as possible.

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Male 6,994
monkwarrior In support of Punko's earlier comment:

  • No land presence was required for European nations to recognize the profitability of the New World. Europeans began to fish the coasts and bays before they put settlers ashore and were amazed by the quantity of fish. Similarly, they recognized, just by looking from aboard their ships, that the territory around Nova Scotia would be filled with animals that would support a fur trade.
  • Meanwhile, down in Jamestown, the English almost gave up on land-based settlements because no gold had been found and they couldn't find any way to make a profit. What turned things around, saved the settlement, and spurred renewed English interest in colonizing the mid-Atlantic region? Tobacco. It had been introduced to the Old World and unexpectedly became a sensation overnight. You couldn't grow it in chilly England, but the climate in Virginia was perfect.
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Male 9,356
squrlz4ever more excuses.
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior excuses suxorz?!?!? i know bro!
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Male 6,994
monkwarrior Not what I'd call excuses. Rather, they are refutations of your claim that "a presence was required for early settlers to even begin really exploring the land."

The point of all this is that the profitability of colonies in the New World was a lot more apparent than it is for colonies on the Moon. In addition, the history of Jamestown both prior to and after the popularity of tobacco illustrates how closely linked colonization and profit have been in man's history.

You're welcome to call these excuses if you want, and I suspect you probably will. If you want to do away with "the economic excuse," as you might call it, please pony up the USD $35B that a Moon base is estimated to cost, so that governments and legislators don't have to somehow convince the voting public that such a financial outlay is sensible.

Don't have the $35B? You consider such a suggestion absurd? Then perhaps you can appreciate that such money is hard to come by and that expense has been, and continues to be, a serious factor in the slow pace of space exploration these past 46 years.
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Male 9,356
squrlz4ever  do you really think you can know all there is about the entire moon just by supposedly spending a few days there?  
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior i know right?!?!? the moon is more than more days delusion clutch
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Male 9,356
rumham synth through it.
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Male 6,994
monkwarrior Definitely not. I don't think any of the Apollo astronauts has been of that opinion, nor do I think any of the NASA scientists are of that opinion.
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Male 9,356
squrlz4ever then that should be the goal.
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior goals are western fallacious

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Male 9,356
rumham all this time could have got you at least one bar of a synth
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior science field?
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Male 9,356
rumham is that the name of your synth?
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior beeftip
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Male 9,356
rumham when do you plan on finishing your masterpiece?
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior chewbacca
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Male 9,356
rumham do you mean his age, 180 or so years?  i know it takes time to do a good job, but isn't that a bit of a long time to work on just one synth?
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Male 4,811
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Male 9,356
rumham you tell me, you're the synther!
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior Who's goal? While we can all agree that a moon base would be nice, is it more important than other causes?  Representatives were elected to make decisions and those decisions did not include a moon base.  Rich folks of all stripes could have invested  privately to do it.  Why didn't they?  No profit.

We now have several private companies competing to deliver services to low earth orbit.  Why?  They've figured out that tourism to the edge of space can make enough money to warrant its development.  tourism to the moon?  Sure, just as soon as 1) the 1% can afford to pay for the 90% of the cost of the ship.  The ocean liners were private corporations that made their money by depending on the 1st class who paid huge premiums for comfort on those ships, who would then fill out the ship with 100 times more paying 100 times less.  Without the 1% on board, ship lines faltered.  Who was more luxurious, who was fastest, etc. these were how the shipping lines competed for the cross Atlantic routes. folks in steerage barely paid for the cost in fuel to move them, but the liner profits were made on the rich.

You want to have regular and affordable (relatively) lunar flights? Find a way that the rich will want to go and then use the liner/airline model to build it. 

Why did the Concorde fail?  Ultimately, the time savings offered by the faster flights couldn't cover the significant cost premium to operate the airline, and not enough of the 1% thought it was worth it.  The plane couldn't carry enough passengers at lower rates to make it cost effective.  When you're stuck on a 7 hr flight on top of 2-3 hrs on each end due to security theatre, you're spending 12 hours.  With a flight that went twice as fast, you r 7 hr flight turns to 3.5 hrs.  BUT the damn 2-3 hrs at each end remain. so 9 hr vs 12 hours but paying 3x as much for less comfort?  Not a good model.
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Male 9,356
punko uh the moon is commonly understood as the first and most logical stepping stone away from earth (assuming we can even get there in the first place).
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior "commonly understood" only by those who don't understand astrophysics
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Male 9,356
punko by most of the scientific community.
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior No.  Simply no.  Going down into the gravity well on the moon achieves nothing.  Now a large space station with ship docking/repair/refueling etc. in high orbit around the moon would be helpful.

If we are considering 'leaving  earth' the moon's surface doesn't help us at all
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Male 9,356
punko Says you.  But the scientific community has a desire to focus on the moon (if it's possible to even get there at all, since after alll, nasa people admitted they can't go to the moon "lost the technology" - as if some foreign raiders raided and destroyed traces of that 'information')
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior The "scientific community" is not a singular thing. If you ask someone if there is a scientific benefit to going to the moon, the answer if if course, yes.  I agree with that.  However, we do not have universal access to everything we want.  If you are looking to get out of the solar system to move humanity past the 4B year deadline, then the moon can teach us virtually nothing that we cannot learn elsewhere while learning things that we cannot learn on the moon.
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Male 9,356
punko yet it's still our first step 'out there' (assuming we can even get there)
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior No its not.  It is easier to get to the moon, but easier doesn't mean better.  We've done that and learned a lot.  Mars has an even smaller gravity well, so as a stepping stone has more advantages.
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Male 9,356
punko the risk is also much higher without having formulated an understanding of how to live on a celestial body.
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior Except living on mars very different than living on moon.  In both cases, you start by living in orbit around them

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Male 9,356
punko in the case of the moon, supposedly 3 days away, it's not necessary, you can go to the moon (assuming you can get there in the first place).  Mars?  We don't even know if a human can survive a trip like that, it's almost certain suicide.  Also only certian times can the mars trip be made, outside those windows, even longer of a wait.  Moon?  help is 3 days away.. returning to earth can happen within 6 days of a problem, any day of the year.  Much better chance of survival. Ultimately though it would be best to learn to live on the ocean floor.  Technically that would be the best first step.  Help is hours away, and the habitat can be throughly tested.
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Male 6,994
monkwarrior I think we're in agreement that a Moon colony is needed. I think we're also in agreement that it would be a sensible first step in the colonization of the solar system--although it looks like the tide of history has us going to Mars first.
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Male 9,356
squrlz4ever conveniently enough.  almost as if too many people could watch over a moon landing today, compared to 1970's, but only the 'authority' can watch over a mars landing today.
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Male 1,240
monkwarrior  In what way would the moon and mars be different that way? If they really wanted to hide from you, they could have simply said they were working on the far side of the moon. Mars is far more visible than the far side of the moon.

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Male 9,356
holygod in ways like i said.
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Male 457
monkwarrior yet, your bearded buddy makes sense to you. Yep, nobody fools you, huh? 
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Male 9,356
bearbear01 i have no bearded buddys.
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Male 457
monkwarrior well that's a fiery step for you. 
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Male 9,356
bearbear01 more like for you.
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Male 454
Awesome.  A series that's on right now that I'm loving is "One Strange Rock" directed by Darren Aronofsky with National Geographic.  It's about how amazing planet earth is.  Must be watched on the largest of screens.
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Male 164
What an awesome video. Great Job Gerry.
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Male 42,110
I would seriously love to go to the moon.
I know it's a long trip with little to do when you get there
but it's still better than Blackpool.
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Male 6,994
Loved this. Absolutely beautiful imagery. Go, NASA! Great post, Gerry.
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Male 6,025
I really don’t understand people who don’t believe that we went to the moon. All their arguments have been disproved. For instance any decent photographer can explain why stars can not be seen in the photographs where the focus is on the subjects not the stars. What really gets me is how they don’t understand that it would be impossible for the 400,000+ people involved in the mission to keep it a secret more than a couple years.
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Male 9,356
markust123 the bottom line is that the evidence is questionable.  While i can agree that many people think the evidence is not questionable, others don't.  When i hear of how the achievement is spoken of with loud voices i would expect to see and examine solid, hard-core, undeniable facts of the achievement, and growing repeats.  Yet here i am with flimsy evidence requiring belief, an 'authority' in suspect, no one going past low orbit since these 3-4 supposed years (going on 1/2 a century now), and people who can't even prove that's true without the authority, who uses group dynamics and flashy animations fed through the media to keep the cheering going. This achievement is supposedly a scientific matter, not a spiritual one, there is reason to question the evidence of the 'achievement'.

But it i've said it at least a few times, the best way to solve this is to go back and make a presence that is undeniable, like a bright city or two on the moon that everyone can see.  It's not like i'm the only one who could see the scientific benefit of having a presence on the moon, the most obvious first step choice for humankind's growth beyond earth - that is, assuming we can even get there in the first place.  
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Male 4,811
monkwarrior yes, clearly
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Male 11,698
markust123 Have you SEEN it though? If I don't see something then I don't believe it.

For example I whole-heartedly believe the 5 thousand year old creatio myths that were passed down over thousands of years through hundreds of generations verbally, and then written down, repeatedly translated, and abridged / edited. However, you expect me to believe scientific evidence, numerous photos and videos, and the eye witness testimony of people still alive? Fallacy!
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Male 6,994
markust123 Shhhhh! 400,000 people are sworn to secrecy because... because... reasons!
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Male 7,360
markust123 There's been a fair amount of work done on the psychological workings of conspiracy theorists,  it's important to understand as the same tendency to reject evidence and huddle into like minded groups is increasingly part of our political and social discourse.  Always has been,  I guess,  but has recently become amplified beyond reason. 
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Male 9,356
LordJim There is also corruption in this world, and to ignore everything you think may be a conspiracy theory, may actually provide a conspiracy a perfect cover for its goal.  In fact i wouldn't be surprised if that was happening in several places right this very minute.  We're in an age of sin, and greed and pride is a huge part of it, bringing conspiracy and corruption.
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Male 11,698
LordJim I think "stupid people are stupid" is a pretty fair explanation.
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Male 7,360
holygod I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that. 
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Male 432
Awesome....maybe someday there will be a google moon, then we can just fire up the ole laptop and take a look at whatever we want when we want to. Great post Gerry....interesting stuff here.
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Male 9,342
rukittenme Actually, Google Earth has settings where you can explore the Earth, Sky, Mars and Moon.  (View>Explore>Moon).

It includes some satellite imagery, probe and manned exploration imagery.
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Male 432
megrendel Thanks........I have Google Earth on the laptop and didn't even know that......I guess I have been spending too much time on here to notice....hahaha....
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Male 7,360
Good stuff. 
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Male 4,815
Very cool.
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