Black Teen Nearly Shot After Knocking On Door Asking For Directions To School

Submitted by: holygod 3 months ago in News & Politics


We better start arming Girl Scouts.

When 14-year-old Brennan Walker missed his bus on Thursday morning and started walking to school, he thought knocking on a door to ask for directions would help. He didn’t think it would nearly get him shot.

The Rochester Hills, Michigan, teenager attempted to trace the bus route on foot after he said he woke up late and missed the bus. Brennan didn’t have a phone with him because his mother had taken it away as punishment, as moms of teens are wont to do, and he got lost along the way.

When he approached a house to ask for directions, he was met with a gun.

“I got to the house, and I knocked on the lady’s door. Then she started yelling at me and she was like, ‘Why are you trying to break into my house?’ I was trying to explain to her that I was trying to get directions to Rochester High,” Brennan told Fox 2 Detroit.

“And she kept yelling at me. Then the guy came downstairs, and he grabbed the gun. I saw it and started to run. And that’s when I heard the gunshot.” 

The man’s shot luckily missed Brennan.

"Guns cause tragedies because they are the most efficient tool we have for converting bigotry, fear and anger into death. This kid was lucky." Source: Yahoo! News
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Male 2,368
I read about this earlier and although the home owner seems to have a temper problem, there are just some odd things about the hole thing. like Monkwarrior said he didn't know how to get to his school and what did he expect the people to do for him give him a ride? When I was 14 I lived in a all white neighborhood and I am white, if I missed my bus I went home and called or told my parents, and would have been very unlikely to have picked some random house and asked for directions. 
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Male 70
casaledana I lived literally in this city. I know exactly where both Rochester Hills and Rochester High School are (RH is near Madonnas parents house, Rochester is 1/2 hour away from there). If you're used to a bus driving you, you barely pay attention, and there are almost zero signs that point to them. 
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Male 6,042
casaledana Did you read?  He was going to ask for directions, it said nothing about asking for a ride.
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Male 11,035
I have a question about this.  How many 14 year olds, towards the end of a school year, after going to school september-april, don't actually know the way to school? 
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Male 70
monkwarrior Remember that one time the guy who "fights for Christ" figured he knew more about the story of a white home-owner shot at a black kid for knocking on the door (with video evidence) to ask directions while the other white home owner (also on video) asked why "these people" chose her house?
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Male 11,035
devthep is that how you perceive my question?  Seems like you're reading too much into a question.
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Male 5,369
monkwarrior how do you percieve your own comments, as truth or. something else. and yes synth a synth so you can actually have an answer.
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Male 11,035
rumham i perceive my question as a question. focus on the synth
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Male 70
devthep *who
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Male 12,053
monkwarrior He missed the bus and was trying to find a shortcut. I lived 5 miles from my high school. I knew the path along the major streets that my parents / I / the bus took to get there. However, if I tried a closer to "as the crow flies" path and cut through the neighborhoods with winding roads and cul de sacs I could have easily gotten lost.
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Male 11,035
holygod but you didn't get lost.  I find this part of the story the hardest to believe.
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Male 12,053
monkwarrior I never took the shortcut. I don't know if I would have, but it was certainly plausible.
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Male 11,035
holygod i'm not buying it as easily.
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Male 6,042
monkwarrior You should examine the evidence.  First of all, the kid was not too bright.  To think a young black man can knock on a door in Rochester Hills and expect a good outcome is fucking retarded.

Which is not to say he should expect gun shots every time, but expecting a good outcome is absolutely unrealistic.

If he was dumb enough to knock on a door and expect aid of some sort he was easily dumb enough to not know the way to school.
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Male 11,035
daegog If that's the case, what if he was just telling a story because he was expecting no one to be home for whatever reason?
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Male 6,042
monkwarrior Then he would knock on the back door, you do not knock on the front door of a house you are going to break into, particularly being black in an affluent neighborhood in the middle of the day.  He would have had to get away on foot with whatever he stole.

Now if you think ALL of that is plausible, then you must concede that he is an idiot in which case, he might not know the way to school right?
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Male 11,035
daegog how do you know?  What if he was like "if i knock on the front door and no one is home, but if i knock on the back door it'll look pretty bad"?
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Male 6,042
monkwarrior He gave testimonial evidence.  That's good enough right?
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Male 11,035
daegog theres not enough either way to even begin to gauge.
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Male 31
meh ... the boy don't have a fucking iphone with google map .. seriously 
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Male 12,053
cthulhuson Try reading the article before commenting champ.
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Male 31
holygod shut up '' holy god '' lol god XD the worst thing human created . 
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Male 2,196
Where's the good guy with a gun when you need him?
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Male 12,053
oobaka What the fuck are you talking about? This was a white, middle class, American, fireman, homeowner. He IS the good guy.
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Male 2,196
holygod I was being facetious but good guys don't shoot at innocent teenagers. He was a white, middle class American cunt that deserves to be charged with attempted murder. 
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Male 197
oobaka Not sure how you get attempted murder from "heard a gunshot".  15 years ago, I saw 3 guys in the back part of my property. It was all fenced in. I went out with my pistol and yelled for them to come out. They decided to run instead. Since I was unable to let them know what would happen if they ever returned, I fired a shot into a bale of hay. They got the message.
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Male 12,053
oobaka Dude, I know. I was joking. Come on.
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Male 2,196
holygod I have a habit of taking everyone seriously most of the time.
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Male 12,053
oobaka Give me the benefit of the doubt. If I say something outrageously stupid I'm usually being sarcastic or mocking monk.
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Male 2,080
I want to know if these people were arrested for assault  with a deadly weapon and discharging a weapon in a public location? The sound like asshats to me and I'm glad the kid is OK. Never mind, I clicked through to the article and got this:    The retired Detroit firefighter was arraigned Friday afternoon. Jeffrey Zeigler has been charged with Assault with Intent to Murder; and Felony Firearms. He received a bond of $50,000, with conditions, and is due in court again April 24.  
Good. Hope he does major time.
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5,744
This is exactly why we need to promote the flying of the Confederate flag.
So you'll know who's door knock on and who's not too.

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Male 1,530
dm2754 But the confederate flag has nothing to do with racism, it's about a rich cultural bla bla bla and other such bs hahaha
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5,744
doiknowyou oh youre right. best just go with "Whites Only" signs
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Male 1,530
dm2754 I don't see a difference...
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Female 245
dm2754 *whose
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Female 245

Black Teen Nearly Shot After Knocking On Door Asking For Directions To School

Unless this is a race-baiting post of course.  
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Male 70
datastrom The woman in the story literally fucking said why did "these people" choose us. Did you not actually investigate the story? 
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Female 245
devthep Already answered before. 
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Male 12,053
datastrom You are delusional if you think race has nothing to do with this.
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Female 245
holygod The onus is not on me to prove it is not racism.  The onus is on you to prove such.  
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Male 12,053
datastrom You want me to "prove" what someone thinks? Thanks for the impossible burden of proof.

I simply mentioned that he was black. That is what you got your panties in a bunch about. Anyone with more than two brain cells can tell that was obviously a contributing factor. Try rubbing your two together. 
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Male 6,425
datastrom 
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Female 245
holygod It's up to you to prove this was racism.  Your vacuous replies thus far have been enlightening with regards to your conduct when one questions your motives.  
There was no need to state the teen was black, anyone with visual abilities can see such from the caption, but you made sure it was in the title for flamebait.

I also don't approve of your gaslighting efforts to try subvert my profile.

Intelligence is relative.  In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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Male 942
datastrom meh. Too easy. Usimg your same argumentation, one could demand you have to prove that there was race baiting when holygod included the word "black" in the title. A priori.
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Female 245
bearbear01 The act of putting race into the subject line to instigate conflict, with regards to the reasoning of why the individual was shot, would prove this point already.  It's called framing the discussion, or framing effect, a cognitive bias.
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Male 942
datastrom but, that's your perspective. He may have been aiming for completeness. You interpret it as race baiting, others as additional information. Anything beyond that, and you're playing with your crystal ball. Same as what you are accusing holygod of doing when he says the shooter acted on his racism. 
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Female 245
bearbear01 I did not provide the posting.  Why would the onus be on me to prove the actions of another?  You're referring to speculation on holygod's behalf to which he hasn't provided a coherent answer since the start of the comments.  I'm interested in factual evidence.
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Male 942
datastrom your missing the point that your argumentation can be used against you. You asked holygod to prove his point about racism and he can't, exactly as you can't prove that his title was race baiting. Using your own train of thought. 
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Female 245
bearbear01 The argument is the necessity of using an adjective of race with regards to the posting.  Was it needed, and if so, why was it needed.  Holygod has yet to suggest why it was needed and we've already seen the second Starbucks post have that adjective taken out.

I've asked repeatedly why it was needed and replies from holygod have been: 

  • "You are delusional if you think race has nothing to do with this."
  • "Anyone with more than two brain cells can tell that was obviously a contributing factor."  
  • "race is clearly an issue in this country, even in the very unlikely scenario that it wasn't in this case."  
  • "You mean other than them grabbing a gun when someone knocked on their door?"  
His quotes.

So the description of race is needed because he believes these individuals, in both posts, were discriminated, as per action in each article, based on their race.  This is the definition of racism.  I've asked him to prove his own comments declaring the reasoning of racism to no avail.  

I could suggest other descriptions for these events where one has an intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself, but chose to focus on actions rather than the person.  There in came the reasoning of why someone would feel it ultimately necessary to include race when they themselves could not support the reason for it being there. 

Unless there is something else in your comment, I would assume anything other than what is being debated would fall under whatboutism/tu quoque.
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Male 942
datastrom no whataboutisms. See, your quotes are a posteriori, of holygod's defense or explanations. But remember, you decided a priori that the inclusion of "black" in the title was race baiting. But dismissed holygod's claim a priori that the reason for the shooting was racism. You said the onus was on him to prove this. Using your same argumentation, the onus is on you to prove with only the title, that it was race baiting. I already said what else it could be. Neither of you can successfully prove your points without further access to the suspect. Thus... Demanding that he proves that the shooter was driven by racism is  impractical. 
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Female 245
bearbear01 I understand your point of view now.  

Yes, both events were a priori given they were assumptions posted prior to solid evidence.  In both cases they differ with regards to the subject for evidence.  

Holygod's was with regards to the motives of the shooters which he won't be able to defend against and thus he would ultimately lose.  

Mine was regarding Holygod himself investigating his motives where one would only find them out if they were able to have him discuss the matter further.  

This strategy was performed and with every additional statement from him it can be proven with a higher degree of accuracy therefore it's in my best interest to have kept him engaged to provide additional posteriori.

In the end, the longer the event is drawn out the more likely my statement will be proven to be correct, or incorrect, while his is a stalemate where he cannot win nor prove either to be correct or incorrect.

Without sounding patronizing, well done.
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Male 942
datastrom I have my moments. 
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Male 12,053
datastrom 

There was no need to state he was a teen, I must be inflaming ageism.

There was no need to state he was on his way to school, I must be inflaming educationism.

There was no need to state he knocked, I must be inflaming doorbellism.
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Male 6,237
holygod I'm just so relieved that there wasn't any sexism!
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Female 245
holygod My issue is with you suggesting racism without proof, not your attempted straw man arguments of ageism or the like.  Are you able to have a conversation without trying to derail it?
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Male 70
datastrom  "One of the things that stands out, that probably angers me the most is, while I was watching the tape, you can hear the wife say, 'Why did "these people" choose my house?'" she says.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills

Let me guess - you have a deflection for "these people" also?
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Female 245
devthep You have evidence to support a theory?  
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Male 12,053
datastrom Mentioning that he was black is no different than mentioning he was a teen.

1st of all, all I did was copy the headline of the original.

2nd of all race is clearly an issue in this country, even in the very unlikely scenario that it wasn't in this case. 

Head over to the starbucks post and tell us all how black had nothing to do with that one too.
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Female 245
holygod Oh, you just copied the title and left it.  You're a victim and it's not your fault?  Shrugging off responsibility?  Is this a new desperate tactic?

Race is an issue.  It's especially dangerous when people try to post flamebait to support their narrow views without any supporting evidence.  

Your Starbucks comment doesn't make any sense, is it time for your afternoon nap as you seem to be getting cranky with the replies.
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5,744
datastrom so you think this would have turned out the same if was a teenage white girl. 
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5,744
I'm getting flashbacks of "Good Will Hunting"
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Female 245
dm2754 Another red herring.  IAB dream team coming out today.
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5,744
datastrom you're making no sents, you must be trolling 
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Female 245
dm2754 I don't know what "sents" are.  If you could elaborate.

The issue is the use of the adjective being the race of the individual.  There is no need to put the race in the description unless it is a valuable piece of information.  This posting is leading the reader into a false outcome.  

Correlation =! Causation

My personal opinion with regards to if this happened to a white teenage girl has nothing to do with the objection of race in the title and thus is a red herring argument.
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Male 4,030
datastrom actually, according to fox news 2, on the security tape the woman can be heard saying, "Why did "these people" choose my house?'" she says, before taking a long pause. "Who are, "these people?"

i think the race of the individual in this situation is relevant.
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Male 1,634
robthelurker Every time my phone rings I say, "Ugh, what do these people want with me today."  I guess I am racist now, even though I am talking about white people the vast majority of the time.
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Male 4,030
waldo863 i didnt say this woman referring to the boy as "these people" was racist, i was just saying because this woman was referring to the boy as "these people" that she was probably referring to his race, and therefore the race of the individual is relevant.

when you say, "Ugh, what do these people want with me today." you are referring specifically to the people who are calling you, who ever they maybe, whether they are a friend, someone from work, or a telemarketer, the race of the individual does not have do with it, just the fact that they are calling you. you are allowed to speculate, what do you think this woman was referring to when she referred to the individual as "these people"?
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Male 197
robthelurker I think she probably thought they were aliens from outer space coming to kidnap her again. Prove me wrong.
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Male 4,030
bubba5658 i can not prove you wrong, in this crazy world, anything is possible, she could very well have believed he was an alien and acted in self defence. but based on the information provided, i can explain to you why i think this situation is about race. i think the woman saying "these people" is about race because there is a precedence of "these people" being used as a term to refer to race, and the individual she was referring to was of a different race than her. what makes you think it was aliens?
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Male 197
robthelurker I have absolutely no clue what was in her head, just like everyone else here.
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Male 4,030
bubba5658 actually, there are several clues to indicate what this woman might be thinking. the woman using the term "these people" and the fact the individuals are of a different race are clues. if you werent able to pick up on those clues, then you may very well be ignorant to the systemic racism that is currently happening in the world.
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Female 245
robthelurker That's a fair point.  Although it can be vague also.  "Those" could have the meaning of black people in general, Republicans, Jehovah's Witnesses, knife salesmen, etc.  It's still not accurate to state the reasons without the person involved declaring.

That's not to say there isn't racial tension and discrimination in the U.S.  But seeing events happening and automatically blaming such as reasons without learning of the actual causes just further inflames the issue.
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datastrom That's a fair point.  Although it can be vague also.  "Those" could have the meaning of black people in general, Republicans, Jehovah's Witnesses, knife salesmen, etc.  It's still not accurate to state the reasons without the person involved declaring.

What do you think the homeowners meant by "these people"  He was black what the hell else could they be talking about?  This family is a bunch of racist or scared fools.  They have proven they don't deserve weapons of any kind.  I hope they have their guns confiscated and never have them again.  
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Female 245
normalfreak2 Opinions vs fact.  If you have anything supporting the view these people are racist then by all means provide it rather than speculating to support a narrative.

The only part of your comment I agree with is that they should have the guns confiscated for misuse.  
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Male 12,053
datastrom "If you have anything supporting the view these people are racist"

You mean other than them grabbing a gun when someone knocked on their door?
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Female 245
"Grabbing a gun when someone knocks on the door is racism" - holygod
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Male 12,053
datastrom You honestly, honestly, honestly think that if a well dressed 14 year old white boy would have knocked on this guys door the woman would have thought he was breaking in, called him "these people", and the guy would have grabbed a gun and shot at him?

That is truly what you believe? You aren't that dumb are you? We don't need more dumb members on this site. We have a few already filling the position more than adequately.

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datastrom
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Male 12,053
markust123 oh her obsession with me is off the charts. I think she commented at me 15 times while I was sleeping. Sad.
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Female 245
holygod Again, had you read the replies in this thread, what I think doesn't matter to my objection to your assumption of racism.  If this was a racist act then prove it.  Delaying and deflecting only supports my position and makes you look vapid.
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Male 2,080
datastrom Sorry but I live in the country and I come to the door EVERY time armed.  You never know when those evil Jehovah's Witnesses are going to show up.
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Female 245
scheckydamon It's all a ruse, the fake happiness, the clean cut attire.  It's leading to the apocalypse.  :)  (sarcasm)
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Male 9,117
datastrom If you have anything supporting the view these people are racist then by all means provide it rather than speculating to support a narrative.



The Ring video doorbell that recorded the whole damn thing.  is that not good enough to levy an very educated opinion on what they said?

Well we don't know exactly what they meant, but the ring video doorbell has them saying those things, Give me a benign reason why they would say those things?  I can't come up with one that passes the smell test.  


Here is an example of an opinion.  This was a case of two people who are filled with fear for whatever silly reason, the man shot at someone who wasn't a threat, made a terrible decision based on his fear.  Based on how this played out, I'm betting these people are Conservatives that live in that bubble where they are told they have to fear everything and only a gun will protect them.  
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Male 197
normalfreak2 Unlike the democratic bubble that tells them fear the gun but the government will protect you. :)
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normalfreak2 You highlighted the reasoning - "Those" could have the meaning of black people in general, Republicans, Jehovah's Witnesses, knife salesmen, etc.  It's still not accurate to state the reasons without the person involved declaring. 

The wording usage of "educated opinion" is to try to add some validity to your claim to support your personal feelings.  Being educated is the synonym of being learned which is from an aspect of higher learning where critical thinking and logic is needed for analysis from an observation.  

But instead you're presenting a personal case based on your own biased judgement to fill in the blanks to provide you the direction for the reasoning you've already decided on.  You chose the ends and have concocted the means to get there.

As for a proof the onus is on you to prove this is racism without a doubt, hence the distinct usage of race in the subject line as I've objected to.  It's not up to me to prove that it is not.

I prefer to look at the facts of what happened and make the judgement from that without personal bias.

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Male 9,117
datastrom But instead you're presenting a personal case based on your own biased judgement to fill in the blanks to provide you the direction for the reasoning you've already decided on.  You chose the ends and have concocted the means to get there.

Completely disagree, I used critical thinking to get to this conclusion.  Could it be wrong?  Absolutely.   But given the evidence i'm confident in my conclusion.  If more evidence comes that weakens my conclusion comes out I'll change my opinion, until then,  I'm sticking with it.  
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Female 245
"I used critical thinking to get to this conclusion."  That is where we agree to disagree.  Assumptions and speculation is not critical thinking.  Stating that you'll wait until more evidence comes out supports this theory as you've not only made a judgement, but also have defended this position with partial evidence.
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Male 9,117
datastrom Someone has to come to a decision by what they meant,  As I stated before it's either Age or Race.  You pick your poison.  I'm siding with Race.
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normalfreak2 Either or?  Why would it be conditional to only those two reasons?
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Male 9,117
datastrom In the circumstance given, there were no Jehovah's witnesses's no republicans only a minority person and a boy/teen.  "Those" is denoting some type of difference,  How would the homeowners know if they were liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, jehova's witnesses without anything on their person stating as such?  They wouldn't.  In this circumstance the only two things that can reasonably explain the usage of "those" is they meant it in terms of race or age.  That is NOT a hard stretch to come to that conclusion based on the evidence.  I have no problem coming to the conclusion they meant race.
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normalfreak2 Not agreeing or disagreeing with you but, Every single one of the Jehovah witnesses that come to my door are African American. And I live in a predominantly white neighborhood.
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normalfreak2 So you've agreed to it being "close enough" to warrant racism without actual proof it is racism?  Bigotry goes both ways my friend.
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datastrom 

If that is your standard for every decision you make or conclusion you come to then I respect it.  


Listen by your definition no one is racists unless they state unequivocally "I am  racist".  Let's join the real world friend, not everyone tells you what they are thinking.  For example many of the tiki torch white nationalist insist they aren't racist.  Sorry to say just because they don't think they are doesn't mean they aren't.  Just like this circumstance There's enough evidence here to come to the conclusion that they shot at this kid because of Race or Age.  I side with Race,  in either case it's a bigotry of one or the other.  
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Female 245
normalfreak2 "There's enough evidence here to come to the conclusion that they shot at this kid because of Race or Age."  But there isn't, that's the issue.  
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Male 9,117
datastrom There's enough evidence here to come to the conclusion that they shot at this kid because of Race or Age."  But there isn't, that's the issue.  

What other logical conclusion can you come to then?  This wasn't an accident, there was forethought and malice in the decision to shoot.  This couldn't have been a crime of passion, what else could it have been?
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normalfreak2 Deflecting to my opinion is irrelevant to the proving this was racism.  I wasn't there.
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Male 9,117
datastrom It's not a deflection, I'm asking you to give me a benign reason or ANYTHING that explains the actions that isn't racism or ageism?  
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normalfreak2 The onus is not on me to prove that this isn't racism.  The onus is on holygod and his defenders, yourself included, to support that it was and that race is needed in the subject line.  
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datastrom I'm not asking you to prove anything, I'm asking you to given an opinion and/or give a benign reason that it isn't.  Can you or can you not?


What evidence do you have other than "they didn't say they were racists outright so we can't come to the conclusion that they aren't racist" that's your argument
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normalfreak2 5cats's new account?
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holygod I was thinking the same thing, the debating style seems oddly familiar to me. A couple of users spring to mind though.
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Male 12,053
mrteatime and the batshit crazy, pathetic obsession with me. Lol.
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mrteatime The arrogant stupidity is what stands out most to me.
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Female 245
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mrteatime Don't take holygod's bait.  He will do anything to discredit an opponent including gaslighting.  If he has any proof he should provide it or else delete the comment.

Here are some of my comment links for last year:

  • http://www.i-am-bored.com/2017/01/why-communism-always-fails-told-in-3-headlines
  • http://www.i-am-bored.com/2016/12/for-a-cool-1-million-donation-you-can-meet-the-president
  • http://www.i-am-bored.com/2016/12/why-are-liberal-leftists-so-hypersensitive

IAB cheers users on if they're in the correct clique and try to slander anyone else.
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Male 5,369
datastrom man i wish i was cool enough to keep a backlog of my comments from 2 years ago
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Female 245
holygod Hopefully you're not a mod, I would think gaslighting is not allowed.  Or is this how you debate?  Reeks of desperation to derail the conversation.
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Male 5,369
datastrom gaslighting fallacy strawman manitoba 
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Female 245
normalfreak2 Opinion:  Possible mental disorder(s), other psychiatric issue(s).  Should not be allowed to have firearms.

My argument is that you cannot prove this was caused by racism. 

Holygod posted that race is involved.  The onus is to prove it.  I didn't force him to put it in the subject line as an integral part of the post.  Deflection is weak reasoning.  

Sophistry =! Critical Thinking
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Male 9,117
datastrom Ok, I'm not arguing the title of the Post, Maybe that's where this broke down?
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Female 245
normalfreak2 It is possible as these nested comments are somewhat out of skew.

My issue was as follows:

"The issue is the use of the adjective being the race of the individual.  There is no need to put the race in the description unless it is a valuable piece of information.  This posting is leading the reader into a false outcome.  

Correlation =! Causation"

Therefore to include race in the subject is disingenuous as it implies racism from the action which is my issue.  It may or may not be, but to declare such prior is immature.

Then came your posts and so the conversation followed from there.
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Male 9,117
datastrom I agree there's no need to put "black" in the Title, with that said I still stand by my opinion.
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Female 245
normalfreak2 Fair enough.
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Male 6,042
datastrom Find a link where a white teen was shot or shot at in rochester hills, michigan for asking directions and I will agree. 

Now i can provide you with a link for a young girl that was killed in 2013 in dearborn heights, mi (slighty more affluent than rochester hills) for knocking on a door for aid.  I will let you guess what color she was.
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Female 245
daegog A red herring, false dichotomy, and reverse onus to top it off.  Perhaps you should've stayed in school rather than going online to vent about perceived injustices.
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5,744
datastrom you shouldn't use words or phrases if you don't understand their meanings.

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Female 245
dm2754 I suggest you look them up and see how they're being used in this instance as they're quite apt.

I'll also give a secondary one for personal reflection:  Dunning-Kruger effect. 
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Male 2,080
datastrom I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because your argument had a good logic to it. Logic does not need the argument to be right or wrong. BUT, as soon as you threw   Dunning-Kruger in, I have to say welcome back 5cats in your next incarnation. Dude just let it go and stay gone. You will never win here. I won't either but I've made the conscious  decision to just post goofy shit like I used to here and leave the idiots to prove it themselves.
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Male 542
scheckydamon that is definetly not 5cats.
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Female 245
scheckydamon If that's your reasoning then so be it.  The wording fits for this situation quite nicely.  If you need to label someone as a previous user without evidence supporting it then that your choice also.  It does not make it true in the least.  
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Male 5,369
datastrom oh look another internet debate team master who knows all the cool words and phrases, it must hurt to be so smart
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Male 12,053
rumham She can copy and paste with the best of them. 
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Female 245
  • § 4.5. Do not vilify or give disrespectful nicknames to individual users.
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Male 5,369
datastrom the boy who cried MOD
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Female 245
rumham Knowing and utilizing are two different beasts.  If you have anything valuable to contribute, other than social signalling to the others, I would consider such.
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Male 5,369
yeah thats the response i expected, you are really smart. i bow to your intelligence
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Female 245
  • § 4.5. Do not vilify or give disrespectful nicknames to individual users.
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Female 245
rumham For one who talks about the derp vortex they should reflect on their own comments sometimes.
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Male 5,369
datastrom get a life manitoba cat
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Male 5,369
datastrom brunt
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Female 245
rumham I can refer you to a mental health professional in the Pittsburgh area if you'd prefer.  Your neediness for attention is really off-putting.  Along with your immature humour I could see your need for validation.  You seem to be having some sort of spectrum meltdown.


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Male 942
Unsuitability to own guns proven.
Proceed to confiscation.
Over.
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Male 1,630
Clearly need more guns.
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Male 49
marsii Exactly, if the kid just had a gun, then he could have stood his ground, explained his position, and got the directions to the school after all. 
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5,744
I really wonder about the validity of the story. It definitely sounds like it can be true but these are kind of stories are made up.
Perhaps the homeowners can corroborate the story.
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Male 6,042
dm2754 The homeowners would tell a story of a crazed druggie black guy trying to break into their home for crack money.  Shame there is a video or that story might just hold up.
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Male 4,030
dm2754 apparently there is security video of the encounter. authorities have not released it yet, but the man with the gun, retired detroit firefighter Jeffery Zeigler, was charged with assault with intent to murder, he is due in court on april 24.
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5,744
robthelurker thanks for looking that up. the yahoo story doesn't say anything
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Male 6,042
His mother has done him a grave disservice. She has not explained the realities of life in America for that young man.  

He got lucky this time, i hope he learned something.
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Male 4,030
daegog "i hope he learned something." that its not okay to knock on a strangers door to ask for help? i dont think its the kid that needs to learn something.
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Male 6,042
robthelurker In a better world, he shouldn't have to learn it.  In America today, its better to learn this lesson now than to keep dodging bullets.
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Male 17,074
robthelurker sadly, it's true that a black male should not knock on doors.
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Male 4,030
Draculya i shouldve known. i honestly didnt even think of the colour of his skin until i read the linked article. all i thought was that the same thing would happen to me if i knocked on a random strangers door. fuck. with those big glasses, i thought he kind of looked like urkel. i dont remember urkel getting shot at on family matters. ok i never watched family matters, urkel is fucking annoying. 
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