Why I'm Leaving IAB Permanently

Submitted by: squrlz4ever 3 months ago in Misc


In recent weeks, I've had the following directed at me:

  • five gory photos of dead squirrels;
  • one comment urging me to kill myself along with a photo showing how I should slit my wrists;
  • the dark threat "Watch your shit, cuck boy"; and 
  • lots of foul invective, such as "Go fuck your mother some more, OK? Lying pile of shit that both you and she are."

Incredibly, the user responsible for all of the above is now referring to me as "the psychopath."

I've emailed Fancy about all this twice, asking if he was okay with this kind of behavior. He never responded.

Ordinarily, this is a situation that would be handled through the enforcement of community standards. But there are no community standards here. One user is obviously using three separate sock puppet accounts to make threats, issue slurs against gays and Jews, and spread neo-Nazi memes. Users have been pleading with Fancy to investigate what's going on but he has refused to act.

What's resulted is a toxic environment. Unfortunately, Fancy seems to think chaos and anger and the resulting pageviews are all good for business. He does nothing other than, presumably, laugh all the way to the bank.

None of this is healthy.

Not for the person in charge, who's profiting from hatred. Not for the user who's made this place his circus and is clearly in need of some kind of mental health intervention. Not for American society in general, which we've all learned recently has been targeted by foreigners looking to foment hatred and division.

And certainly not for me. Fortunately, I've got better things to do with my time.

I will keenly miss many of you. Mel, if laughter is the best medicine, you should be this nation's Surgeon General. Gerry, I'm so glad I was around for your "Make a merkin great again" pun. That one rose to the level of art. Zig, you are the best alien I've ever met.

Omigosh, so many of you: HolyGod, PinkMinx, DuckBoy, Skeeter, Markus, and Stifler and Butters (two of Oz's finest). Layla, Rumham, Grendel, Punko, NormalFreak, LittleMissQT, and Daegog (you were right about that post a few weeks ago, by the way). Emmetty, MikeSex, Draculya, Kalron, Muert, Schecky, and DrCribbens (still a treasure). Madduck, Trimble, MrTeatime, and Panth--and so many others. If I've missed any of you on this list, and I'm sure I have, my apologies.

Best regards to all of you.

Squrlz out.

[Ed. note: I changed your photo Squrlz because the bloody pic was sad.]
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Male 16,967
Congratulations to all for cutting out the cancer that was 5Cats. It may take multiple rounds of chemo to rid ourselves of residual sock puppets, but it's a better world without him in it.
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Squirlz, please don't leave.  You are going to break a young lurker's heart :(

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Female 9,709
I will give you an endless amount of virtual hugs Squrlz until you feel better. You were the one of the few people that made me smile on this site. Sorry I haven't been on the site lately as I have been crazy busy at work. I hope you see you when everything has settled down and you have recovered from the insanity and stupid people. 
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Male 315
squrlz4ever I'm just a casual visitor to this site, certainly not an active member. But your quirky posts always put a smile on my face. If mods can't properly regulate shitty behavior, they're going to lose their most valued members. Period. Hope something is done that makes you change your mind. But if not and you don't, can't say I blame you one bit. But a ton of people here love you - count me as one of them.
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Squrlz - will miss you. I've been on the internet a long time and seen a lot of bust-ups and people going their own way and just want to say: don't worry about 'staying away forever' or 'coming back eventually' or whatnot. You may fetch up in another community you love. You may feel like coming back later, whether later is a week, a year, or whatever. Or you may not. Just have a wander around and see what's on offer, and know that there is no reason to commit to anything. Definitely have a decompress and a relax, though.

I wouldn't be sad to see you come back, though :) 
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Male 2,127
Unfortunately, I find myself agreeing with Squrlz. There are a couple of people on here that I find myself disagreeing with often, even when I try to ignore them and simply stay away from them. I'm not saying that they come after me; its that I find myself unable to stop myself from calling them out on their bullshit and misinformation, and it frequently gets very heated. I think it best for both me, and the board as a whole, if I also bow out. This site has been a lot of fun over the years, but I feel that it is going down hill lately, and I fear that I am part of the reason. So, in order to (hopefully) calm things down a bit, I'm bowing out, as well. Its been fun, people (and aliens, not gonna leave you out, Zig), and I will certainly miss some of you. Best of luck with the future!
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Male 6,375
whosaidwhat Slow down everyone with the exodus. MODs are coming - not to crack the whip, just to reel it in a little.
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Female 5,043
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Male 194
I like to go on the comments section sometimes just to remind me how sane the people in my life are.
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Male 16,967
Fancy, if you lack the funds, I would happily pay for you to commission a programmer to put in a script to ban 5Cats, find his sock puppets, ban them too and block any associated IP addresses from being able to view the site.
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Male 21,403
Draculya I'm going to get Sunny on it first. Emailing him now. Also, I have a couple mods (and working on a couple more) so they should catch all sock puppets.
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5,509
fancylad just turn off all comments.
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Male 16,967
fancylad get my email from the sign-up records if you need financial help to get it done. My offer is genuine.

I wouldn't make a good mod. I've modded a few times before and I was a tyrant and a witch hunter.
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Male 6,375
Draculya Come on Fancy. The cat’s already back with a sock puppet. Take Dracula up on the this. Find and destroy all IAB sock puppets.
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Male 21,403
markust123 Just reading about this now. I just emailed Sunny to see what he can do. In the meantime, check the email you signed up with. 
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Male 546
markust123 There's no way you can permanently stop 5cats or his shell accounts from commenting on this website. It's just the fact of a free and open internet (well, minus Net Neutrality now). 

Embarking on a witch hunt where accounts are being banned on assumptions isn't the right way to do this. Are we innocent until proven guilty (as 5cats has been proven), or are we going to have to ban X amount of accounts in the vain hope of preventing 5cats from participating, knowing full well that there likely will be innocent people banned? That is not acceptable. 
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mrsnowmeiser The problem isn't sock puppets, the problem is nothing being done against an incredibly toxic user that has had so many of the other users complaining in public and private and begging fancy to do something about it.

There's plenty of opposing political frames on I-A-B, but only one user is so incredibly toxic, lashing out at people before they've even said anything. Everyone else generally keeps it at the level of banter, despite the occasional heated moment. 
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Male 546
barry9a Agreed, and that's why I think 5cats should be banned. 
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Male 6,375
mrsnowmeiser I wasn't asking fancy to ban anyone on assumption. I was asking fancy to do an IT deep dive and ban ALL sock puppets. But I don't feel that accusing "christopher_bourne" of being 5cats is a witch hunt as it is so blatantly obvious it is him. I did feel bad that frocelt was attacked and accused of being a sock puppet. That wasn't cool.
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Male 5,249
markust123 yes im a big fan of being yourself. 
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Male 546
markust123 Wasn't implying you are for banning anyone on assumption alone; my bad if I came off that way. My point is that it's going to be inherently difficult with some accounts (not all, of course) and some innocent people will get banned, as seemingly happened with two people already. 

If, magically, all shell accounts were eliminated right now, 5cats could still make more ad infinitum. This is simply a problem no matter of banning will likely solve, if 5cats is intent on returning. 

What worries me the most is what this incident has done to the community. I mean Christ, it's one person we're dealing with here. I know he's acted horribly, but the fact that one person can wreak so much havoc is troubling. 
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Male 6,375
mrsnowmeiser, “I know he's acted horribly, but the fact that one person can wreak so much havoc is troubling.”  

It speaks volumes. I have had to take three breaks from IAB because of his behavior. The longest was a year. On the plus side no one has been told to fuck off today.
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Male 6,229
squrlz,
I do hope that you're looking and noting all the support you have here. Your contributions and insight have been, at least for the vast majority of us, very much appreciated. You will certainly be missed by so many if you actually leave permanently. Go ahead, take a break, get refreshed, take a sabbatical maybe. Check back from time to time to see if you might be comfortable returning. But if it must be permanent then best of luck to you, be well, stay healthy.
And now a squirrel bow to convey my respect:
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Male 21,403
broizfam I hope he comes back to. This is mostly my fault. 
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5,509
don't let the door hit you on the way out!
she'll be back in a  month. 
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Male 5,233
I've sent an email to Squrl but i'm not sure of the address,i hope he will get it.
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Male 7,674
I was wondering how much it would take . I flounced out in a huff a while back not because of any animosity towards 5cats (we generally got on fairly well ) but because he was dominating the site.  He was,  I felt,  being used for clicks.  He  freely acknowledged his mental health issues (as did I my own  ) but was given free rein to act out and vent in a way which I found exploitative.  It wasn't good for anybody.  Being banned is probably a positive thing for him and I wish him well, but he came close to killing the site. 

If I may offer one piece of advice ; the internet is not good for everyone,  find something to do with your time that doesn't make you angry.  Best of luck,  but it's for the best. 
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Male 4,949
LordJim My goodness Jim, it's good to hear from you, good to know you are still around.
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Male 7,674
trimble Thank You .

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Male 847
D'aww.. who will I give my nuts to now?
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Male 3,755
squrlz4ever - You'll be missed.
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Male 641
Best of luck to you. It is unfortunate how conversations can degrade so rapidly sometimes. Although I don't recall any, I'm sure I've made less than civil comments at times and all I can say is that I try not to.
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Male 31
You should stay ... remember "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"  always remember the source of those insults, what sad pathetic human beings to say such things. But if you gotta go remember the big squirrel in the sky:


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Male 533
Sqrlz - sorry that you are leaving dude. I always enjoyed your thoughts and posts.

It is sad that you had to take such drastic action for anything to be done.  I was shocked at how vicious  and personal some of the attacks had become on here.  I have to say, I tend not to let things get under my skin and typically try my best not to get into slanging matches with people whose opinion I don't agree with.  I realise that this isn't everyone's way however.

I'm hoping that once the feathers settle you might look back in on us and find a still lively but more tolerant community - heck, I'm hoping that I do to.  If you do find that more inclusive vibe when you look back in, it would be great to have you back.

I'll keep some peanuts handy for you, just in case.
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Male 611
All the best Mr Squrl :). This place is toxic, I really hope people realize that not only is this website, but too, Facebook and most news media, it just doesn't help develop anything productive in the individual. The shit that's been said here ought to be death sentence enough for it.
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Male 406
thething911 He's convinced you are 5cats as well.
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Male 611
Fojos then I'm doubly glad he's leaving, that's utter crack hat, and if he believes it, he needs to get the hell out of the bubble, and so do the rest of these nitwits. The main thing that ever drew me in to the comments section was the utterly nasty and spiteful hate speech that people like 5cats spew, until then I'd been a regular visitor for what must've been near a decade. I am mevsthevoices btw, and I would still be too if I could recollect whatever thirteen year old me thought was such an awesome password.
Lets put this shit to facts, IF YOU HAVE OVER 5000 COMMENTS, YOU NEED TO STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH MORE OF YOUR TIME.
Nothing anyone has ever said here has ever changed anything, and that's the saddest fucking truth of them all. Anything I posted that I thought most worthwhile was most likely to be discarded, because those too were the most likely topics to actually require real thought. That isn't what this website is about, it's about making dummies feel not so dumb, and circling wagons and waving cocks. It's about celebrating the failure of others and jeering those who actually want to see something happen.
This place is trash, it wasn't always, but it sure as shit is now.
Squrlz was one of the most decent people on this website, and that's why he'll be one of the first to go.
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Male 16,967
Fojos fancy, don't forget these two. 
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Male 5,249
by the way 5cats is taking the capt high road stance, but this dude has told me to kill myself on multiple occasions, i think the worst thing i called him was a spartan douchebag
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Male 1,200
fancyclad
davymid would be rolling in his grave.
5cats is a deranged psycopathic troll. 
fancyclad ...."in my defense..."
dude, there is no defense. This has gone on for WAY too long. The amount of times i've seen users go " fancyclad pls do something about this", I've lost track of it. 
I'm joining sqrlz, and getting out of here.
Partisan politics and a mentally unstable Canadian? Not my cure for boredom..
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Male 938
buttersrules Hate to say it, but I think I wil be joining Squrlz and you.

I was going to post something along the same lines as squrlz, but fuck it, this site is lower than a wombats sack and not worth my eloquence! (lol)


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Female 1,341
WTF did I miss!  Squrlz, you will be missed. I am saddened that things have come to a head like this. I hope you see that you are a beloved member to many in this community. I hope that detours you from leaving I-am-bored, but if it doesn’t...Just know that I-am-bored will be much less without ya. 
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Male 10,797
c'ya.  imho you shouldn't let it get to you.
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monkwarrior Why should anyone hang around a place where they have to deal with PMs containing what squrl describes and admins that won't do anything about it? It's a free world, why not move on to somewhere else where such toxic behaviour isn't tacitly condoned?
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Male 10,797
barry9a wasn't demanding he stay.
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monkwarrior I just meant that why should he bother not letting it get to him, when there are thousands upon thousands of other internet communities where he doesn't have to make that decision to begin with. It does actually take mental effort for most people to brush off constant attacks, though a few people don't have problems doing so.
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Male 10,797
barry9a It's a mindset that can help people everywhere.  running away from problems doesn't solve them.
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monkwarrior I do agree on building mental resilience in general, but sometimes that includes just making the decision to walk away.

Running away from your problems doesn't solve them IF the problems are in you. Running away from your problems frequently solves them IF they're coming from outside. :)
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Male 1,147
monkwarrior You of all people should realize that personally held beliefs are important.  Sometimes things go too far.  I could make reference to death threats from religious zealots regarding perceived blasphemy or depictions of Mohammed.

I believe squrlz was pushed too far.  How much should someone put up with?  Many teachings say that when faced with such things, one should not put up with it or meet it in kind, but just walk away.

There is no dishonor in that, yet I still wish he would reconsider.
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Male 42,934
nettech98 

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Male 57
5cats Yep.. It's never you.. It's always someone else attacking you and you defending the innocent!! You are delusional, man.
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Male 3,755
5cats 
Pretty classy, dude.
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Male 6,375
5cats Fancy banned you. If you click on your name it errors out. The only reason you are still able to add comments is Fancy apparently did not fully beta test the banning feature. Did you use this stroke of luck to humbly admit that maybe you take some things too far? No, you blamed everyone else for your actions. 
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Male 10,797
nettech98 every time someone has tried to push me, it's only made me stronger.  I respect his choice, but in my opinion he shouldn't let it get to him, but let it make him stronger.
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Male 16,967
monkwarrior if one has true faith, it will feel like an unshakable smugness. Challenges won't require rebuttals, the regurgitation of mantras or a reaffirmation of your creed, because it just is, and nothing anyone says can change the truth.

That doesn't mean three's no temptation to debate, or to speak up when someone's beliefs or actions impact the world in ways your faith can't abide, but if you want to impress people with the strength of your faith, the challenge is to use less words and more logic.
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Male 10,797
Draculya im not concerned in the slightest,  God shows His soldiers how to fight, and i've seen the evidence of that to convince me enough to not be concerned, just like He showed George (your avatar).
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Male 16,967
monkwarrior I identify with the Dragon. Your spear tickles, Georgie-boy.
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Male 10,797
Draculya so you're perishing, convenient.
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Male 1,147
monkwarrior Thanks for your opinion, and I don't necessarily disagree with you.  But that's obviously a personal choice on his part.

Is there -nothing- that someone could post that would be so offensive, such a personal attack, that you would not make the same decision?  I could think of things (things that I would never dare post - nor want to) that could possibly be so offensive to you and your beliefs, where I would expect to you to be personally, and greatly, offended.

Whether you would choose to stand and fight, ignore, or walk away from the whole environment that led to it is obviously a personal choice that requires reflection on values, priorities, and more.
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Male 10,797
nettech98 There's nothing anyone but God could post.  I actively put myself in situations like you mention, and I've found there is nothing anyone can post that i can't take on, can't roll with, or that would cause me to leave. This is actually a bit of a perk of donning the full Armour of God.  The bigger and harder they try to punch, the stronger i get.
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Male 637
monkwarrior That armour you speak of is for combating the spiritual forces of evil. But once again, you forget the most important part of your quoted scriptural message:

"And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

Your identification as a "soldier of God" is a rather immature interpretation, and you should probably go back to your Sermon on the Mound and revisit what your Lord directed your action to actually be. 
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Male 10,797
BuckeyeJoe Keep thinking you know something there, buttercup.
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Female 109
i will truly and sincerely miss you.  but i do understand your position.  Au revior.  and best of luck to you, wherever you land next. 

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Male 7,869
squrlz4ever, I understand how you feel to a certain degree.  While I have stayed on and kept lurking on the site, the toxic environment that I kept running into the forums has made me keep my comments to myself.

A good life wished upon you my friend.
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Male 1,147
draculya  In the context of trying to move forward, and examine how we might make things better in the future, do you think your "<- ban him" comments contribute anything constructive?

Do you have anything constructive to contribute?
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Male 16,967
nettech98 while I have never felt the need to be liked, I have tried to contribute positively to this site for years.

With Sqrlz' leaving, it occurred to me that I wouldn't even care if I got banned. I'm not sure there is any reason to be positive here. I can do whatever I feel like. Posting "<- ban him" a hundred times is nowhere near as bad as what 5Cats has done (don't worry, this is the only thread where I'll do it).

But wait... Maybe 5Cats has the right idea? Promote anarchy. Shitpost all up and down the threads. Make as many people as miserable as possible. Maybe even suggest they kill themselves. I mean why not? There's no rule against it and no consequences. 5Cats got banned for all of about one hour and subsequent comments showed he has no intention to repent.

Maybe IAB is a game where the goal is to drive away your opponents? By taking down probably the most entertaining, most subtly intellectual and level headed person on here, 5Cats scored big because the site is substantially lesser for it.

Fancy needs to think about the direction he wants IAB to go. Or he can remain hands off and see where raw human nature will take it.
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Male 42,934
Draculya 

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Male 16,967
5cats "you're asking fancylad to ban you?"

Says the man with no profile page. 

http://www.i-am-bored.com/user/5cats/profile

Your life expectancy is only until Fancy fixes the script.
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Male 16,967
5cats <- ban him
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Male 1,147
draculya " There's no rule against it and no consequences. "

There IS a rule against it in the TOS.  Whether there are consequences or if it's even noticed is up to Fancy.

Just because we CAN say something, doesn't always mean we SHOULD say something.  It's a real life lesson that gets lost behind the keyboard - especially when there are no consequences.

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Male 406
As usual there are plenty of people here who can only throw stones in glass houses. Even when he writes personal positive messages to someone the "liberal" tail of Squrlz and others mass dislike for no other reason than to bully. This is something you supposedly saintly and tolerant people have done for years, it's disgusting.


I guess you don't understand the expression; "you reap what you sow" when it's your constant belittling and bullying that has caused an increase in tension and hate over the years.

Of course I already know you will not even attempt to reflect because you're the "good guys with the correct opinion". 
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Male 16,967
Fojos <- ban him
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Male 546
Draculya Come on, that isn't even sort of bannable behavior. 
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mrsnowmeiser 

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Male 546
5cats I'm not on your side on this. You brought this shitstorm on yourself. However, reacting with McCarthy-like witch hunts of anyone suspected of being a 5cats account is also pretty ridiculous. 
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Male 16,967
mrsnowmeiser he's the same guy as 5Cats
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Male 6,375
Draculya He’s not and I talked to Squrlz. He feels bad for accusing Fojos of being him.
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Male 406
Draculya Conspiracy theorist. Do you believe vaccinations cause autism and that monsanto is trying to control the world through GMO as well? I wouldn't be surprised.

You don't need to use vile words to be a giant bully. You, normal, zig, daegod, squrlz, kalron, holy and rum can't even go a week without bullying on this page.

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Male 1,147
5cats is obviously not banned.  Squrlz has not commented on any of the posts.

What's the answer??

Let's all take this as a 'teaching moment' and try to come up with some solutions.

IAB does have a TOS that prohibits the exact type of behavior at question.  Whether it is enforced or not is another thing...

While in this thread we are dealing with the squrlz/5cats issue, there have been other threads where the hate has shone through.

Please use this opportunity to express your thoughts on posts/opinions/facts/beliefs/etc so that we can come to an understanding as a community.

If you choose to reply to this, please don't attack individuals.  Think generically. What's OK?  What's not OK?  Where should the community draw a line?  Where should IAB (in their TOS) draw a line?
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Male 42,934
nettech98 

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Male 4,114
nettech98 Is it in the TOS though? I know -old- IAB had something to that effect in the old TOS, but then we rolled over to IAB 2.0, I can't seem to find anything about in the Terms listed below.
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DuckBoy87 Does it even need to be in the TOS? We don't pay to use this service. Admins can kick out anyone they like. It's not like IAB is a business.
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Male 4,114
barry9a Probably not, but better safe than sorry; lawyers eat up that shit like candy
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Male 1,147
duckboy87  Here's the relevant paragraph:

"PROHIBITED CONTENT. You must not post to the Service any Content that, as reasonably determined by i-am-bored.com, is or appears to be the following: untrue, misleading, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, invasive to another person’s privacy or protected data, hateful, or racially or otherwise objectionable; infringing upon a third party’s intellectual property rights, including any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, right of publicity, including any Content that is the subject of any claim of infringement; of a type that you do not have a right to transmit under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships, such as proprietary and confidential information; unsolicited, undisclosed or unauthorized advertising; software viruses or any other computer code, files, or programs designed to interrupt, destroy, or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; data or information obtained through access that was not authorized by the owner, or that you are not authorized to post; or in violation of any applicable local, state, national or international law (including export laws). "
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Male 4,114
nettech98 I did see that, but I more attribute it to content that is posted, and not comments. I see how you've interpreted it, though, so that's fair
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Male 16,967
nettech98 I don't think he's revealed any trade secrets, but otherwise the list of prohibitions is basically a euphemistically mild description of 5Cats.
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Male 2
I can't be arsed with any of your shitty petty squabbles any more.

 

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Male 2
marsii kalron27 stifler

How amusing and sad that this very long time lurkers first ever post, probably just prior to giving up on this website (having become more and more jaded by comment spats), is instantly assumed to be a puppet account.  

What a lovely welcome.
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Male 1,605
frocelt Should have learned your fucking lesson!
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Male 938
frocelt I see 5cats profile doesn't come up anymore. So I presume that account has been blocked.

Welcome back 5cats, in your new sockpuppet persona!
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stifler 

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Male 7,046
Squrlz of all the posts on here yours are the ones I look forward to reading
Yor posts snd comments are the few reasons I come to IAB. I normally avoid the political posts especially from a few nameless members however that is what is being posted most of the time lately. IAB used to be fun now it is becoming just drek. Please dont go. Try taking a vacation from here for a bit first. Things might improve by then
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Male 1,147
Can't we all just get along?

Squrlz:  I totally get that you are hurt and offended by the comments/pictures that were made with the intent to hurt and shock you.  5cats has made accusations against you.  I don't know if they're true or not, but I think things went too far.

5cats:  I think you stepped over a line.  If the things you posted were in a larger, more anonymous forum, maybe we could talk.  But in this more intimate setting, where the regular commenters have frequent banter and 'know' each other, I think you went too far.  You disagreed with someone, perhaps had history with someone, and you chose the nuclear option.  That being said, I do think there is a bias against you.  You take an unpopular stance on many issues.  But that's OK - it's your opinion.  It shouldn't result in hatred toward you, but it does result in "Oh boy, here's 5cats again."

Where we all need to draw the line is in personal attacks - intentionally trying to hurt someone.  I'd like to say "we're all adults" but that's not even true.  It's obviously OK to have different opinions.  I have come out strongly on several topics, but I can at least appreciate that others may not agree with me.  I have disagreed with squrlz more than once, and we usually ended up agreeing to disagree.  But it's not OK to have your own facts.  When opinions become facts there's no winner.

There have been accusations thrown back and forth between multiple users.  5cats has been accused of using sock puppet accounts.  Unless and until that is verified, it's an opinion.  Fancy is the only one that can confirm or deny that.  As far as the squrlz/5cats dynamic, 5cats has made some claims about squrlz behavior.  I don't know that there's any way to prove or disprove his allegations.  Does it make sense (on either side) to keep bringing these things up if there's no possible resolution?

In closing, we have a small community here.  It would be a shame for it to self-destruct.  Don't intentionally try to hurt people.  Stand your ground with logic, reason, facts, and RESPECT.  It's not that hard.  Some won't agree with you.  They will have their own opinions and reasons for that.  Just don't use the keyboard as a shield against how you would have a face-to-face interaction with someone - especially someone you 'know'.

There's a lot more I could say, but let's start with this....
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Sorry to hear that fuzzball.  Many of your comments were fair and backed up with solid reasoning.  All in all, it's probably a good thing to back away if it's affecting you personally in real life, no need to put up with needless shit with all the stresses today.  Hope it turns out for you in the end.

And no, I'm not going to post some bullshit squirrel picture.  Well, maybe this one cause she's hot and I wouldn't mind burying a nut, or two, in her.

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Beaverfever. My what a large nut sack she is sporting
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thezigrat I didn't even notice the nut sack until you mentioned it, ha.  She has quite the death grip on it.
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Sorry to see you go, squrlz. I'm more of a lurker than anything else on here, and I am going to miss your posts/content. 
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where can i get squrlz email?

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piperfawn his screen name at gmail
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I was going to post a bit of a tirade... but I'm disheartened, and don't have the energy because it would fall on deaf ears...

I thought maybe I'd try to cool the flames as I did before with a huge spat between holygod and 5Cats, back when IAB 2.0 was coming into full swing of things. I think things got better when I did that, of course it took effort of the two aforementioned parties (and I thank them for that), but for me to go through that again...

And I haven't been paying attention to more recent affairs.. so, there's that too...
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I have made an account specifically to post here now, having lurked for many years. My apologies in advance for the wall of text. Occasionally the content posted here tickles my fancy, but I like other places on the web too, it's a big place after all. What the rest of the Internet doesn't have for me is a small, consistent, vivid community like I've seen here, that forms around pillars like Squrlz. Many of those Squrlz thanks in his post have become familiar and strangely dear to me over time, and I'm confident I'm not alone in (formerly) lurking on here mostly for the comment section as the main attraction. 

But not for the juvenile jabs thrown in the spirit of a temper tantrum. It got out of hand. The arguments can be entertaining at times on some mostly basic level, we all get it- but peo... squirrels like Squrlz are ultimately the individuals who I want to hear from on here because I appreciate their intellect, consideration, patience, and style of discourse regardless of subject at hand. Left to his own devices I've experienced countless times how Squrlz in particular brightened up my day when I come here, and I feel moved to say something or at least extend a personal thanks to Squrlz for all the good times here no one knew I had. I have spent many an hour of my life enjoying most of the company on here, and learning little but important things, from trivia to lessons on human nature from many of you, and I simply wanted to throw my plea out there into the uncaring void: I wanted one of the small pleasures of my simple life, the comment section of this site, to be left alone.
But it seems we just can't have nice things... *sigh*

TL;DR: Thank you Squrlz. You don't know me at all and it's hardly my place to tell you what to do but I'd selfishly have you stick around, as I do genuinely admire your ways on here, and your take on whatever daily things is one of the big reasons I visit this place. Many times I've felt inspired, as if not all is lost, directly because of your uncanny ability to act like a good human being even when you're a squirrel and when it'd clearly be easier to relax your standards for decency. Needless to say I'll be frequenting on here less if there's nobody left to read whom I appreciate. I suspect I'm not alone in this.

P.S. Squrlz legit contributed to making me reconsider my approach to the entirety of squirrelkind through his persona on here, taking me on a journey over time from virtual indifference to them to a point where I have a buddy squirrel now that I feed every morning. I named him Clyde. Sometimes he brings Bonnie over too. This is not very important - but it is a slice of life that happened in part thanks to how this place used to be.
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5cats You're the problem and you should go.
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marsii Says a hate-spamming troll with multiple accounts here... yeah that's really influential... totally convincing...
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5cats You need to face facts. Your shitty game is up and a lot of people are tired of you and your behavior. It's bad enough that you behave the way you do but when other people see it they know they can also get away with it. If you don't become very apologetic very quickly I would have no problem with Fancy banning your ass for good!
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marsii Again, this: from a hate-spamming troll with multiple known accounts. This? Really now?
I guess that why Draculya is hitting the board with 30+ identical remarks eh? I 'made him do it' eh? Sheesh...
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marsii Seconded 
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marsii Fucking amen.
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Maybe take a hiatus?  Then come back?  please?
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Squrlz ole buddy, although I've threatened your furry snerdlys, it's all been in fun. I've walked away from IAB for a month now. I lurk without signing in so I can enjoy some of the content. But the likes of holygod and daegog with their know it all attitude and "liberal tolerance" drove me away. We used to have fun here and post some of the most goofy shit around. Hell, I'm only 200 or so points behind you in votes, but now it's all Trump and asshole and whatever. I wish you the best. Personal advice would be to get out of Philly if you can. It's not the city of brotherly love any more and I used to live across the river so I know. I wish I knew a way to PM you so we could stay in touch.
Peace out dude!
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I've been lurking on here for over a decade and I've probably seen almost every flame war on here. Hell, I've even participated in a few myself. Yet one thing I've learned is that there is a lot of truth in the saying "it takes two to tango." 

Not once have I ever seen a flame war break out with just one person. It requires two parties picking at each other and taking things beyond the boundaries of a normal discussion in order to argue with each other. 

You're on the internet, you are going to be exposed to views that seem outlandish to you. If you attempt to change those peoples views you are always going to face resistance. Now I have seen it on here where opinions were able to be changed and both parties came to agreement. Yet the most common result is some sort of flame war. 

In my experience, I find it to be pretty ubiquitous across the internet, except for the sites that don't allow commenting. I think it should be understood then that if one is going to air an opinion, they should expect someone to disagree.
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richanddead Dude, I've seen a 5cats post on something positive, and the ONLY comment on the post is 5cats screaming bloody murder about other users, dripping with vitriol.  Yes, first-commenting on his own post with bullshit about other users, before anyone else has even peeped.

Anyway, the bit your skipping over is that the common point on most of the flamewars is that one of the two is so frequently 5cats. He's doing a toxic amount of tangoing.

Basically, pull your head in and don't condone behaviour that bad.
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richanddead True but there is one constant in many of those flame wars...
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richanddead Thanks R&D you're one of the good people here! You'd make an excellent Mod too. You were one before right? Of course you know it's a thankless job and takes lots of time and effort :-<
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5cats 

Thank you, yea I used to be a Mod on here, but I couldn't put the same effort in it now that I did back then. I'm just working way too much now. But I actually don't think we need the mods, I remember that not working out on several instances. 

What I think we need is some more posts that are interesting and original and not the "same old post" that provoke or rehash the "same old arguments."  

Give me some time and I'll find some interesting ones for us all.
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richanddead I agree with you.

In my experience, I find it to be pretty ubiquitous across the internet, except for the sites that don't allow commenting. I think it should be understood then that if one is going to air an opinion, they should expect someone to disagree.

I agree that opinions should expect some sort of dissent, however personal attacks and flat out trolling are a part of the internet, our community doesn't have to put up with it.  I think SOME standards need to be adhered to.
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I think you can have standards but I find those standards are dictated more by the community, then the rules. Anyone can remake an account on this site if the old one was banned.

I find that the source of such strong personal attacks on this site is because we have such a small and diverse but very vocal community. Everyone learns about each other to the point that we can remember each others profiles, positions, likes, and dislikes. I find that the result is not only the occurrence of feuds but also friendships. The very thing that keeps people here is also what sometimes drives them away.
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Not sure how 5cats is still commenting but I would like to counter his spin with his own attacks these past four days. From most recent to oldest:

"Draculya Fascism! it solves everything! As expected from a Maoist fuck like you...
"markust123 Shove it up your lying cunt, ok?"
"Draculya Your mother is zero..." 
"squrlz4ever You are a fucking psychopath. Stop harassing me: fuck off ok?" 
"Draculya If you weren't such a stupid faggot? Perhaps I could do just that! But no, you are so lame and limp and flaccid? Specific insults are lost on you." 
-Responded to squrlz with picture of a squirrel being skinned  
-Responded to squrlz with picture of a squirrel with an arrow through it.  
"markust123 "Well then pass a law that disarms ALL the leftist liberal teachers... and eat shit!" 
"normalfreak2 Ah! The DNC notebook TO THE LETTER! Shovel it into your cunt, ok?" 
"markust123 Fuck your shit. If I DID have a puppet? Don't you think I'd be smarter than that? I'm highly creative you know, I can EASILY make a puppet you and the fuckers you like to suck shit with would never once suspect. I may have started that project already... So go fuck some shit, it will make you feel like your "position" has any merit at all. It has none. Stop raping young boys ok? You know you do it, everyone knows you do it. Just stop ok?" 
"markust123 Go fuck a mop..."
"squrlz4ever Go fuck a broom."
-Responded to squrlz with picture of a decomposing squirrel
"markust123 You can go fuck some ass yourself, shit lover." 
"squrlz4ever I have never said such a thing in my life, go fuck your mother some more OK? Lying pile of shit that both you and she are..."
"squrlz4ever Go fuck yourself in the cunt."
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markust123 wow. I avoid certain posts altogether because I know where they are going so I probably missed these.  Nobody deserved to hear this, least of all squrlz.  He was always absolutely gracious.
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markust123 there can only be one logical way forward. Ban 5Cats and salt his IPs.
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5cats, "How about telling the whole truth instead of only one side."

All right. Here a few of the response to your comments/pictures I mentioned above:

Draculya 2 days ago
5cats WTF is it with you and these pictures? Is it some kind of violent threat?

holygod 4 days ago
5cats This is just uncalled for on multiple, multiple, multiple levels. Again, the first time I heard of "sock puppets" was when you accused me of having sock puppets, which I never did. Do you think an appropriate response for me would have been to post a picture of a dead, disfigured, decomposing cat? Seriously, think about that.

holygod 4 days ago
5cats Man, come on. Sometimes you can be a fun engaging dude. I've personally enjoyed you for a while now as we seem to have kept our banter and one-upmanship to a friendly level.

When you feel like making a comment like this though it might be a good idea to just step away from your computer for a few minutes and take some deep breaths. You can't possibly think this is an appropriate response.

He didn't in any way insult you. He didn't in any way get personal. He didn't in any way get profane.

You might be mad that people accuse you of having sock puppets, but keep in mind the first time I, and others, EVER heard the term "sock puppet" was when you were accusing others of it.
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5cats, "So... so you support your one sided accusations by providing examples that have absolutely nothing to do with them. IC ic... No I don't C actually, it makes zero sense at all."

What is this bullshit? They were the real time responses to the examples I listed of your vitriol above. You know what, I'm done with your crap. This is such a prime example of how you deal with people. You spin and twist and lie your way out of everything. You never take responsibility for your behavior. You'll be gone as soon as Fancy realizes he didn't fully pull the plug on your account. IAB will get a lot better without you. It always is when you are not here.
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5cats, "And these others said or did NOTHING WRONG AT ALL I just put those comments there randomly? Really now? How about telling the whole truth instead of only one side..."

Or take the one from this post. What exactly did Draculya say that caused the over-the-top vicious attack at the bottom of this one?

Draculya 3 days ago
boredhuman the children need not come up with anything more substantial than "stop fucking shooting us". It's the adults job to make it happen.

5cats 3 days ago
Draculya And you imply that "demonic Republicans WANT children to DIIIIEEE!" That's just... low...

daegog 3 days ago
5cats You got it all twisted 5cats, i will watch the video ONLY because fancy said something.  Normally i just thumb it down without even bothering to give it glance. Fancy, in other words, is giving you credibility.

5cats 3 days ago
daegog But you didn't watch it, like the little snowflake that you are: ANY divergent opinion no matter how filled with truth or facts CANNOT BE ALLOWED! Typical.

Draculya 1 day ago
5cats the insult "snowflake" doesn't work here. It makes no sense as a repost to what was said. It's just slack-minded to pull a random conservative-sounding insult out of the air. How about you at least start insulting people with wit and proper context? It'll be a big step up.

5cats 14 hours ago
Draculya If you weren't such a stupid faggot? Perhaps I could do just that. But no, you are so lame and limp and flaccid? Specific insults are lost on you. Too bad, so sad. How about you act like an adult for a change? That would be something, yes? 
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5cats I'll forgive the third one. You were just proving me right.
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5cats Jesus Christ, you are blaming me for your bullshit in the above thread. I am not anywhere in that thread. Take some responsibility. What world do you live in where that final response to Draculya is appropriate? It is always everyone else's fault. Funny how you are pretty much the only one who gets in these over-the-top fights. The common denominator is you. People lower themselves to your level not the other way around.
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5cats, "And these others said or did NOTHING WRONG AT ALL I just put those comments there randomly? Really now? How about telling the whole truth instead of only one side..."

All right. Let's take this comment of yours in this post:

5cats14 hours ago
"markust123 Shove it up your lying cunt, ok?"

I was responding to dm2754. What exactly in my comment below, that you were responding to, justifies such a personal attack? Especially since you were nowhere in the post at the time. And don't you dare tell me that story about my father is a lie. He still wakes up with nightmares about that. So again what in this response below to dm2754 made you attack me so viciously?

markust123 22 hours ago
dm2754, "you don't know what any of the words mean." 

Whatever. I know a clip is primarily used to load rounds into a magazine, and a magazine is used to load rounds into the gun, and I obviously know it is called a round, not a bullet. I have fired my liberal brother's 357 magnum and his shotgun. 

My father taught me how to respect and shoot a gun at a very early age. When he was young, a rifle fell over in his friends closet. Something hit the trigger and his friend was shot in the chest. The kids there asked if he was all right. The boy said, yeah why? And fell over dead. That is why my conservative dad does not have any guns in his house.
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5cats Let's pretend my father's story wasn't true. Even if it wasn't why would it justify this response? "Shove it up your lying cunt, ok?" Especially since I wasn't even talking to you. There is no excuse for the way you treat people on here.
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Hopefully the pleas below will convince  Squrlz to say.
And if he does we can all beat him up for putting us through this drama . 

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But if Squrlz isn't around to kick they might pick on me?!    Squrlz must stay.
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Gerry1of1 I have your back mate
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Best way to stop a bad guy with a post is to have a riposte from a good guy with a post.

Best wishes, hope it's just Au Revoir...
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I know Squrlz in his paranoia has insinuated that I would be connected to 5cats somehow. Not in the sense of attacking him somehow, but because I call you all out for the sick bullying you're doing against 5cats. You say he attacks you, but what I see constantly is you people trying to bully him into submission because you hate his views. We see this all the time, where you constantly insult him even in threads he hasn't been to. You all seriously need to do some self-reflection if you can't see this, check some old threads to start with.

No, I have no connection to anyone here, I'm from Gothenburg in Sweden so not even the same continent.

And yes, I will also keep calling you out for your political opinions when the same politics are destroying my own country, but the only direct "attacks" I do is calling people morons, not the constant harassment I keep seeing here against one person.


http://www.i-am-bored.com/2018/03/how-big-is-a-trillion-dollars like in this thread. Claiming to know Swedish because he lived in Finland. Hint: a very small minority of Finnish people are fluent in swedish.

In any case I doubt it's hard for Fancy to see where I've posted/logged on from all these years, my account is pretty old (registered in 2007 or so).
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Fojos There's a pretty easy way to show that you are not 5cats. Why don't you write Not 5Cats on todays local paper and post a picture of it here.
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markust123 I'm not going to go out to and spend money on a paper to feed Squrlz paranoia, but here's from the car: 

https://imgur.com/a/9poXm
https://imgur.com/a/YvP0H

The only one who seemed to be even remotely intelligent and let's say... objective, on your side of the spectrum was normalfreak. And even he, partially objective, thinks Squrlz is objective and evidence-based when he accuses people of being someone they're not left and right. I really can't see any difference in you all and monkwarrior when it comes to religious dogma, you just base it on something/someone else.

The attacks here have increased especially since Trump was elected, but why do you think that is when you constantly belittle people who voted Trump or even agrees with some of his views? Like I say, you all need to get some thick glasses and start looking at yourselves in the mirror. And you guys think we (europeans) just make fun of you for electing Trump, but what we're making fun of is the bizarre interactions we get to see from americans today, acting like teens, and it's really infecting the rest of the world, especially collectivist ponds of fish like my country.

https://youtu.be/odRiqkdgDnE
https://youtu.be/GOIVJ3VEXO8
The kind of people I see here.
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Fojos  After seeing your photos, Squrlz emailed me: "He believes you are who you say you are and wants to offer his sincerest apology. He's hoping you'll understand that your views are atypical for a Swede. That, combined with some other things, threw him off. Regardless, he wants you to know he was wrong and apologizes."

Take it for what it's worth.
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Fojos I like that you did that. I still have tiny red flags going off. You said that the only direct attacks you do is calling people morons, not the constant harassment you keep seeing here against one person. But I easily found a couple times below that you were using stronger language than moron. There was another one where you said "are dumb as fuck?" but I can't find it in a search and its fallen out of your comment list so I don't know the context. These aren't constant harassment but they are very 5cats. Also why did you wait until now to refute Squrlz puppet claim? You could have put that to bed right away. You are so strongly sticking up for 5cats. Wouldn't it have helped more to do that right away? Now it just looks suspicious like 5cats is sticking up for himself. Not saying you are a sock puppet. Your last post last night and your first one today line up perfectly with your time zone.

Fojos 1 month ago
By the way. For all you stupid cunts. Are you going to go apeshit as well when you hear a latin person say negro?

Fojos 1 month ago
“I feel there was an abuse of power, and there was a culture of exploiting non-celebrity women, and a culture of women being replaceable,”

Not unique to women, you dumb cunt.
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markust123 The first quote is directed at everyone and the second one is directed at the video/article. Yes, I use hard words and usually in the sense of calling people stupid. Especially when people here, who are usually americans, try to lecture me on my own country, and with stats that aren't even valid at that (as if I go here with an holier-than-thou attitude to tell you how everything works in Canada and USA, it's one thing to disagree and try to argue something else, but what happens here is a stonewall of "I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU, HEY I LIVED IN SWEDEN ONCE A DECADE AGO" and completely ignoring everything else).

But you know what? I don't have any obligation to prove to you that I'm not someone else, I only uploaded these because logical thinking doesn't work for some, this is what's called defamation and harassment. The reason Squrlz thought I was 5cats was supposedly because "it was a way for 5cats to talk bad about muslims and sweden" because I'm very strongly against the refugee (afghans, not syrians) and islamist intake in my country and its very negative effects. He also said it's because I frequently use quotation marks. It's just insultingly stupid for everyone, just like trying to convince a flat-earther that the earth is round.

I'm sticking up for 5cats for reasons I've explained, I've been here for more than a decade and all this time I've seen constant ganging up on him, so it's only natural that he becomes more and more aggressive. Yes, he has some calming down to do, but there are already enough people saying this (and many throwing shit, here as well) while what I call the other side, which is a certain group here that always keeps together, will most likely never even slightly admit their cause in this.
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Fojos fair enough.
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Fojos I studied in Sweden Im with a Finn. Finns will know a fair amount of Swedish as theyre forced to learn it. You have to pass Swedish to get a masters for instance. But interestingly my Swedish pronunciation gets called wrong by them despite swedes saying its good. That being said Finnish is no way similiar to other Nordic languages. Kameloso
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jayme21 I can converse with about 5% of finns in Swedish, and it's the minority group that has swedish finnish as their native language. The other finns know about as much swedish as swedes know german, french or spanish when they have to select one of them, and that is barely. I don't care that your girlfriend is finnish, unless she is part of the minority group she's extremely unlikely to actually know swedish that is actually usable, unless she has taken a very big interest on her own.

https://youtu.be/ku1J6U71jBA

The first guy is how much most know.
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Draculya this is what I mean with the tolerant hate-tail who thinks anyone who follows conservatism or liberalism is 5cats or a russian bot.
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Fojos all of a sudden here you are
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rumham all of a sudden? I've been here far longer than you.
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Fojos Thanks for the kind words and support!
I distinctly recall several of the "usual suspects" accusing you of "knowing nothing about Sweden" which I found highly amusing :-)
I did not find it amusing as they engaged in a campaign of hate and involved yourself and other innocent IAB persons in their web of lies... That's what lead up to this.

I'm no angle, angel (or speller) I admit! But usually I respond to what is sent my way, usually. If people are polite? I try to be polite in return, even if I don't particularly like them, I try! Unfortunately? The usual thing here is to (as you mentioned) attack me first and insult me often, even when I have nothing to do with a posting...
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Jeez, I go out of town for a few days and Squrlz bails? Because of 5cats? I'm going to need a couple hours to absorb this. 
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squrlz4ever

I really hope you reconsider, the one thing that trolls like 5braincells feed on is stuff like this.  If you leave you simply make this community weaker and allow that only empowers the bs that is peddled by some users here.  There's also blame for fancy here, he's let the community standards be shit on and it seems to me he's had enough of that.  (i'll e-mail you shortly on what i mean)  


I enjoy(ed) your witty well thought banter.  One thing I could ALWAYS count on is you being objective and evidence based in your thinking and actions.  That's a good thing, that's something that needs to be a constant example here and elsewhere on the internet There is a lot of lies and misleading content and you were always there able to point out those issues with grace and a littany of facts.  To me, you aren't simply another user here, you are a part of this community.  As part of the community it will hurt to see you leave but then again I don't want you to be hurt coming here.  Regardless, whatever your end all decision is I wish you well.  In fact, stay in touch, you have my e-mail I have yours.  
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normalfreak2 he was the primary pillar of the community
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normalfreak2 " ...being objective and evidence based in your thinking and actions..." 
Um, not really, no. Did you miss the past couple of crusades he went on against me? Or just forgot about them?
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5cats <- ban him
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I'm an early-day, weekday-only visitor so I never saw a ton of the mudslinging that I guess happens later in the day/night and on weekends maybe? Anyway, I don't believe cats is the only one here that can be downright uncivil and like it or not I have seen his name brought up many times by many members when he was not even posting on a thread, trying to get his goat, get him to respond, troll him or whatever you want to call it. Does he step over the line? Yep, but he isn't the only one, there are a few members filled with hate and rage here but they are still way out numbered. I'm staying.
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trimble Glad you're staying! You'd be an excellent Mod too if you were willing to sacrifice that much time and effort.
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5cats <- ban him
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sorry to see you go squirlz. going to miss your great commentary and insights. thank you for the welcome wagon when i finally came out of the shadows and started posting
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Squrlz - genuinely sorry to see you go. You were one of the folks on here I could depend on to make insightful, intelligent and funny comments. It's a shame that you've been driven out by someone like 5Cats, who will undoubtedly see this as some sort of victory. 

I used to think it important that there was someone on here to counter his hatred: a wise man once said that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to delete their profiles. But now I'm not so sure. People like 5Cats have neither the wit nor intelligence to enter into a grown-up debate and, like a child, just crave attention, and any attention is relished whether its positive or negative. I've asked before now for him to be banned and it's a shame that it's gone this far before something was done.

And so while I'm sorry to see you go, I don't blame you. 

In fact, I'll go further and join you, but not because of 5Cats. This site used to be different. It used to be a silly little place (I mean that as a compliment) where I could go and waste some time and usually laugh. Now it's just something else that Trump has ruined.

Anyway, I've been doing some thinking, and I've come to the conclusion that there is very little chance I'll be lying on my death bed and thinking "I wish I'd spent more time reading pointless bollocks on the internet." I need to spend more time doing something worthwhile. I'm a writer. I need to finish my second novel and while I'm looking at this site I'm not doing that.

I've never created a post on here and only occasionally replied to an existing one, so I doubt that if I didn't announce my leaving anyone would notice that I'm gone, but if I was going to do so I thought this was as good a place as any.

Best wishes to everyone.

Well, nearly everyone.
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DrCribbens Sad to see you go. I joined IAB 8 month ago after your thoughtful posts countering 5cats bullshit. IAB sure has become a darker and more political place since Trump has entered office. 
Good luck with your novel! I'd love to read your 1st novel, but I understand it's impossible due to giving away your identity. 
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Not me, I never said this: "the dark threat "Watch your shit, cuck boy"..." It was someone else, no matter how many times you repeat the lie... (I don't even know what that means!)

All you had to do was: 
- stop telling lies, spreading gossip and such things
- stop bombarding me with comments

I was VERY happy to ignore you entirely, and would have continued to do so without your campaign of hate demanding a response.
Bye!
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5cats <- ban him
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5cats What a shock. 5cats acts the role of victim
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oobaka Facts matter...
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5cats <- ban him
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5cats Except when they don't suit you, fuck face.
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stifler that is the kind of discourse that is the problem and I’m sure it didn’t need pointing out.
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5cats So you didn't post a picture or several of dead squirrels aimed at squrlz? You're a class act. Wouldn't expect anything less from a trump supporter.
Now be sure to comment at how squrlz pushed you to doing it or some sort of other bullshit that everyone can smell from miles away.

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oobaka Um, when did I say I didn't do that? Please link it thanks!

I said: I didn't say ONE specific thing on his list, because I didn't! I don't even know what that phrase is supposed to mean!
Again: your inability to read the English language properly is not my fault...

I put those up to counter his endless abuse and lies. I cannot BE as hate-filled and abusive as he is, I'm not able to match his dementia, so I put up something "equally offensive" to illustrate just how disgusting he was being. I also called Marcus nasty names for that reason. NOTE: I've had several comments with Marcus where he wasn't attacking me? And I said nothing remotely offensive to him either. What does that tell you?
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5cats What does that tell me? What does your ability to turn off your hate tell me? What does posting pictures of dead animals tell me?
That you're a pathetic little worm. A coward. A sociopath. All the traits of a trump supporter.
I am truly ashamed that you are a Canadian.

HEY FANCY....I thought you were banning this useless prick. 
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oobaka  "All the traits of a trump supporter." All the traits of an american who thinks they're better than others while living in hate bubbles. I'm pretty sure you will go into some thread suddenly talking about how bad it's become with Trump (while you yourself voted for a guy who calls ISIS-terrorists foreign travellers, someone who most of the world sees as a clown just like Trump, especially after India) when in reality you are the arrogant spiteful kind who creates this atmosphere.


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Fojos Ya know. I don't remember writing anything indicating if or who I voted for in our election.
Could you be a peach and let me know where I wrote that?
If you can't, just go fuck yourself and take your hate filled shithole country with you.
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oobaka Well, my country has historically done better than yours in most areas, so yeah (of course, you have a PM who wants to follow our politics while everyone else takes distance so have fun with that).
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oobaka PLEASE PLEASE DO. BAN HIM AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN EVEN SEE THE SITE.
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oobaka Ah, such a thoughtful, on topic and well reasoned comment! Or not... cannot even admit an obvious error, has to "double down" on the hate and abuse...
Typical.
You mis-read what I said, it isn't the end of the world, get over yourself already, sheesh.
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5cats <- ban him
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5cats is a coward hiding behind a keyboard. Nothing more.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for him to be banned.
Unfortunately, he'll probably just create another account 
but it shouldn't be to hard to spot him by his hate filled comments.

On a side note, the comments here are practically a love fest compared
to the hate filled and racist comments on Live Leak.
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oobaka In the future, starting today, the new mods and I won't be letting as much rope out as has been the way of the last couple of years. It was abused by 5cats when the personal attacks kept happening.
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fancylad does that include Draculyas harassment of me? I assume not. Because he's part of the correct groupthink, just like my fellow Swedes.
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fancylad Just be careful that the hammer you're about to wield doesn't start causing you to look for too many nails. I obviously don't see close to everything on this site, but the only instances where I could say banning/censorship was actually warranted was in the case of 5cats. 

Outside of that, discourse on this site is (while far from classy at times) by and large civil and not crossing the line of vitriol/hate. 
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fancylad freedom of trolling each other is what makes this site so great. Let's not turn it into a safe space
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dm2754 it’s no safe space for snowflakes, but the line between civil discourse and personal attacks was pissed on.
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fancylad I'm new to the comment section and the only reason I started posting was in answer to 5cats being the type of person that always started shit with anyone who disagreed with him, so I would tell him WHERE HE WAS WRONG AND WHERE HE COULD GO (and sometimes,what to do when he got there). You can see how little I've posted but each of those posts were in response to 5cats being so...so 5cats that I just had to respond to his arrogance and then a why-are-you-picking-on-me attitude. not many posts but all of them in response to 5cats being the lying, vindictive little shit that he is.
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fancylad If we are to be fair to the pending Mod shift, I think it is important for even someone like 5Cats to be given the benefit of the doubt and for Squrlz to know that moving forward personal attacks are not to be tolerated...perhaps a blurb at sign in to our accounts that we need to check mark indicating we have read  are bound by the determination of the Mods that if we the cross the line and are ban hammered it is their final say
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fancylad No worries about it happening any longer, now.
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5cats <- ban him
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as someone who lurked for years, then finally got brave enough to make an account a few years back(over 4000 comments my goodness), this sucks squirlz was one of the first people who made me feel like my goofy cornball sense of humor was welcome. i was gonna buy him a feral wigpig :( and plus he made this awesome meme. don't stay away  too long  bro
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as a member of this community i feel partly to blame. i saw one if those dead squirrel pics and said nothing, recently i decided that i was just going to ignore everything 5cats said, i shouldnt have. i should have done something, i should have said something, but i didnt. squrlz says he is leaving, thats not true. squrlz is being pushed away because of a toxic environment and a lack of action against it. this is not squrlz fault, i feel it is my fault because i didnt do anything to try to stop it. im sorry squrlz. the next time i find myself a member of a community, i will try to do better. i will remain a lurker on here, and i will try to do more the next time i see behaviour like this, and i hope one day we see squrlz return. 
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Squarlz dont go, just stay! The person that have leaded you to this decision is not here anymore so no reason to leave the ship. C'mon man, you can't leave your harem of iabers galz like that!

And btw i feel offended cuz you didn't mentioned me. ;-P

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I created an account specifically to say something. 

I have been coming to this site for a long time. I can't say how long, probably around 6 or 7 years but that might be too generous. I can say I've watched this site go from a humor site to a very nasty, politically charged site. Squrlz, 5cats, Holygod, etc have turned the comments section into a grade school shouting match that went too far. This is what happens when online communities are not regulated. Fancy will give some excuse about how he was away, or wasn't paying attention, whatever. The fact of the matter is, he and the posters who turned this site political are the reason for the downfall of a once great humor site. 

I'm done. As of today, I won't be back. This is my first and last post. I'm sorry this site had to end up this way. Seems more and more of the internet is getting in the business of dividing instead of uniting. Shame really. Say what you want. I'm sure many will say "good riddance," "you won't be missed," etc. However, before you spout something stupid, think about all the others like me walking away from this site. Without those hits, sites like these die a slow death.

Fancy, get your act together and go back to humor. Stop with the political tribalism bull and bring laughter back to the world. You were good at it. Politics, not so much.
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chiguy Sorry it came to this, sad to see you come and go so quickly.
His spreading lies and endless campaign of hatred was intolerable. The other day he was claiming to be a 'moderator' and that was his 'reason' for keeping files on me. Yes, he 'kept files'... and spread lies for months. And this sort of nonsense went on for YEARS from him, I ignored it for many months at a time but it just never stopped, it eventually got worse.
You can Submit stuff to! It's open for everyone! :-)
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Seems that some sort of Mod in place to prevent this in the future will go along way. I agree, Squrlz is a good guy and should take the time to see how things play out moving forward. It isn't fair that the loudest voices (Monkwarrior and 5Cats) dictate this result. Basic decorum dictates disagreements etc and that is what contributes to a lively forum, not over the top opinions and baseless personal attacks. Now my 4 words to repeat over and over:

1-Bring 
2-Back 
3-The
4-Moderators

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canusuck He mounted multiple campaigns of hare and gossip against me. He "kept files" on me. He harassed me constantly for months on end... no reasoning would slow him, ignoring him just made him angrier, this went on, on and off, for years here...
I'd welcome Mods! They'd have put an end to his abusive behaviour long ago...
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5cats <- ban him
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I wish you best of luck and a more fufilling life. 

None of this is healthy

And
And certainly not for me. Fortunately, I've got better things to do with my time.

Couldnt agree more.
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I'm not happy.  Squirlz is one of the good guys.  Always ready to hand out acorns to funny posts, pull out the welcome wagon to new folks, and generally be pretty engaging.

Never a throwaway post from Squirlz.

Thus cracks a stony heart.
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This has been a long time coming and honestly, I am not surprised.  I have seen several online communities fall apart like this before.  Open discourse is what makes online communities great, but so many eventually get hijacked like this.  

I'm not going to ask Squrlz to stay - leaving might be the best choice.  I am not a big enough part of this community for it to matter whether I stay or go, but these things are certainly making me consider it.
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faustsshadow "I am not a big enough part of this community for it to matter whether I stay or go" bullshit, youre a member, you have made over 700 comments, you have contributed to this website. it matters whether you stay or go, but given the circumstances, i will respect your choice either way.
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I have become an occasional commenter, and mostly in response to 5cats nonsense.  Hate to see you go, squrlz, but understand the reason.  The images were over the top, and do constitute a threatening message.  I sent a message in too a while back about 5cats, but it was not answered either.  

I hope this all works out
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NOOOOooooo!  
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Sad to see this post but it's been building up to this for a fair while. It's upsetting that the most volatile mentally deranged person I've met on the Internet has driven away arguably the most polite, well mannered, wise and kind individual i have encountered.

Hope you change your mind squrlz but I would completely understand if you didn't considering the e-mail you sent me months ago. Take care and all the best x
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layla_wilson You are aware of his multiple campaigns of hate and gossip he's mounted against me over the years, yes? All he had to do was stop spreading deliberate lies and stop harassing me with comments. I was very happy to ignore him entirely for months on end.
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5cats no but I am very aware of the hate/lies/insults you spread. It's because of your vile behaviour that the worst of people comes out (including myself) not vice versa

How about you stop telling deliberate lies and stop harassing everyone on here with comments.

You're not the victim, everyone that has to deal with your bullshit is.



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layla_wilson What lies have I told about S4E? That his (latest) accusations against me are false and based on his imagination only? That's a fact.

He carried out his (latest, the 4th one I think?) crusade for many days before I started fighting back. Every attempt to reason or discuss was met with insults, lies and further attacks. All he needed to do was stop and I'd have nothing to complain about. Simple really...
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5cats look, I really can't be assed with this situation. From my  experience on here I've seen you say countless horrific things to myself and others. This as I said, brings out the worst in people, which leads to saying horrific things to you(which I am guilty of)

You can't say I've not personally tried healing then rift between us, and apologised several times when I went too far(even though I've never seen apologise when you're acting out of order)

At the end of the day: "7up>Pepsi"
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layla_wilson Well, that's how I try to operate here also: people are polite to me and I try to be the same way in return. It isn't easy when there's been a long standing feud (for example) or a "hot button topic", but I still try!

I do and have apologized many times here: I put up 2 already today, and a couple the other day as well. People tend to not see them because by the time it comes to that? The post has faded away (unless you get the reply notice, then you see it of course).

7up rules the world! (except for rootbeer... that's good also!)
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Sorry to see you go Squrlz. I hadn't even realised that things had gotten so poisonous over on that post with fivecats. He really can behave like a petulant child, even when I pulled him up on his conduct all I got was finger pointing and the victim bullshit he so often cites. 
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mrteatime I will just ignore his posts from here on in, until he is gone.
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bubba5658 thats exactly what i ended up doing, something tells me that as a member of this community i didnt do the right thing. the next time anyone begins to create a toxic environment on our website, we have to shut that shit down collectively and tell that fucker to fuck off. i thought ignoring him was the right thing to do, but now squrlz is leaving, i should have done something.
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bubba5658 5cats is gone.
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fancylad How is he posting still?
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kalron27 Because Fancy knows more about it than you do perhaps?
Because he's good at seeing both sides of issues is the most likely answer. If he bans me that would be a terrible thing, but it is HIS website, not mine. We are his guests :-)
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5cats <- ban him
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fancylad Well I hope not...
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fancylad that's a good thing

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bubba5658 I'm probably going to do the same, just like I have with with Monk's religious posts. It's a waste of time engaging.
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mrteatime I'm good with his religious posts and most anything posted, except personal attacks and psychotic posts.
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bubba5658 Certainly, I would never put Monk in the same category as five cats. However he's one of the few members on the site that I would choose to ignore when talking about certain subjects. Not that he offends me in any way, just that his position is completely inflexible that it becomes pointless trying to engage in a debate.
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mrteatime yes, monk never tried to get someone to kill themselves.
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Male 538
Can someone please explain how to put a picture in the comments on a Samsung tablet. I see no button for such a task.
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wellsy57 I don't know about your device or it's system, but for IAB it is generally:

Find a picture that isn't link-blocked.
Click 'copy'
Then paste it in your comment. There's no way to change the size of it (at least in IE) so keep that in mind. It's easy to edit out, though the X in the top right corner is sometimes hard to find...

If it is link-blocked you will see it (it's still in your cookies or something) but others will see that tiny box with an X in the top left...
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5cats ooh, thanks for the useful info!

PS/ ban him
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Update: Usually when 5cats gets called out for things like this, he goes in hiding for a few days. I don't want this matter to sit, and while I don't like airing out IAB's dirty laundry, I want to let it be known that 5cats is being banned until he reaches out to me and explains his rationale for going after Squrlz. 

I've also reached out to a couple of people, asking them if they'd be interesting in modding the threads. Once I get a few people on board, I'll let everyone know. Again, I don't want this to sit and stew. Thanks.

I'm also leaving the photos up that Squrlz mentioned in his post because I want documentation of the offending material.

If he has any aliases, I'll delete those too, but that'll take some research.
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fancylad I tried to play as a mediator between 5cats and squrlz in this post. A number of IAB members assumed that 5cats has a bunch of sock-puppets. As a result, 5cats was harassed this post, and no one was going to stand up for him.

I tried giving 5cats some advice to help him defend himself and in the process make IAB better. I urged him to remain calm in the face of the accusations and to remove the ugly pictures and comments he already posted - he was well aware that they could be used to ban him.

Over months, I had many disagreements with 5cats, but we found a way to have constructive exchange of ideas without getting personal.

The real toxic posters are people like moldysod. Many assume that it's 5cats. But what if it's not 5cats, but just some troll pretending to be him? That would explain 5cats' over-the-top reaction. moldysod gets to post ugly, offensive comments (just look at this history!) and 5cats takes the blame.

I'm very sad about squrlz4ever leaving. He brought out a welcoming cart for me and I enjoyed his thoughtful comments.

When I asked Squrlz what would make IAB better, he said: "That's the easiest question you've asked me all night: good moderators." I hope that will happen. 

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boredhuman I find it noble that you want to find the good in 5cats. His anger and toxic behavior are a cover for some kind of inner pain, but after ten years of this I have given up hope that he will let us in to help him.
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boredhuman, “The real toxic posters are people like moldysod. Many assume that it's 5cats. But what if it's not 5cats, but just some troll pretending to be him? That would explain 5cats' over-the-top reaction. Moldysod gets to post ugly, offensive comments (just look at this history!) and 5cats takes the blame.”

So your theory is that a troll is pretending to be a 5cats puppet. The reason the troll would think they could get away with saying ugly, offensive comments is because 5cats was getting away with saying ugly offensive comments. The ugly, offensive comments are the reason people think it’s 5cats. He is THE real toxic poster of IAB. 5cats’ vitriol came well before people figured out he was moldysod.

Late Monday night I watched 5cats spam the site for about an hour. Then he went away and Moldysod started making comments. The one starting right after the other was so odd I went and checked their comment history. 5cats didn’t make any more comments while moldysod was commenting. I checked a while later to see if the third suspected puppet had made any comments but he hadn’t. Then out of curiosity I checked a fourth member who Squrlz thought was a 5cats puppet and he made two or three comments right after Moldysod stopped. If that was all a coincidence it was one big coincidence.
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markust123 "Late Monday night I watched 5cats spam the site for about an hour. Then he went away and Moldysod started making comments."
   
I don't see how it refutes the troll theory. 5cats has to leave iab at some point to do other things. It's not unreasonable to suspect a troll of using multiple accounts to spread hate and toxicity.

"If that was all a coincidence it was one big coincidence."
   Not a coincidence - a troll would intentionally pipe in after 5cats starts a hateful tirade. These accounts only post occasionally, mostly lurking, only posting hateful comments. Of course I am theorizing without much evidence, just like you...

   The point is: there is no conclusive evidence that 5cats uses multiple accounts. It's a witch hunt. It's harassment.

   Even if it turns out 5cats does control multiple accounts, the harassment is not justified. You should know better: use the policy guidelines to attack 5cats (and other hateful posters) in a civilized way. He has broken the rules many times, because the rules are not enforced. Once the rules are enforced, I'm sure 5cats will adjust his comments and express his hate in more acceptable terms. 

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boredhuman, "You should know better: use the policy guidelines to attack 5cats (and other hateful posters) in a civilized way."

Except for one time where I couldn't take his abuse any longer and told him where to go in his words, I always talk to him in a civilized way. I have had people comment how patient I am. And yes I have jumped in and accused him of using sock puppets but not every time. Look at the second link you listed. I am not even in that thread. 5cats is the one that attacks me. You should read the hateful anti-gay crap he spews at me. This was happening way before the sock puppets were being brought up. 5cats doesn't hate me because of the sock puppet accusations, he hates me because I am very good at researching facts and call him out on his misinformation.
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markust123
   Indeed you have politely countered 5cats bullshit without getting personal (even when he has in response). I'm concerned (if) you feel the harassment of 5cats was justified. 
   There is a subtle, but important difference: 5cats should not be banned just because he's hateful. 5cats should be banned/disciplined because he breaks policy guidelines, which prohibit posting hateful and misleading posts. Other members, who broke policy guidelines in order to get 5cats banned, should ALSO be disciplined. I'd agree with squrlz, that good moderators are key to restore order and constructive environment on IAB. 
   I see 5cats get unhinged when false accusations are hurled at him. Otherwise, he's good about citing his sources and backing up his arguments (as best he can). I've pointed out a lot of misinformation 5cats has posted, but I tried to do it with understanding - he's being misled by the conservative blogs/websites he gets all his (mis)information from. On the surface that conservative misinformation makes sense, but it often falls apart after a bit of research. 
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boredhuman That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're actively condoning people being hateful. 5cats should be banned not 'because he's hateful' or 'because he breaks the rules', but because he's a giant fucking stain on this site and hurts people again and again and again.  People have been begging for SOME action to be taken since i've been here, about a year before the move. 

Playing the "but but but free speech!" card is the lazy way out of dealing with conflict. Good, healthy communities don't throw their members to the wolves just because other members get their jollies from abusing them.

The site is "I am bored" not "I'm a cunt"
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barry9a
"That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard." Really? -
   This is dumber than anything 5cats has ever said? Nice hyperbole.

"Playing the "but but but free speech!" card is the lazy way out of dealing with conflict."
   
Leaving a site instead of trying to improve it is a lazy way out of dealing with conflict. Banning a member instead of enforcing policy guidelines is the lazy way out of dealing with conflict. Free speech has limits - these limits have been stated in the IAB rules, and have been broken by 5cats for months (maybe years) without consequences. That's the problem.

"Good, healthy communities don't throw their members to the wolves just because other members get their jollies from abusing them."
   I object to IAB members ganging up, harassing 5cats and throwing unfounded accusations at him. The ugly pictures and comments were a response to ugly accusations. Squrlz continues assigning moldysod 's comments to 5cats, perpetuating the unfounded accusation.
   If anything, this incident shows that IAB is not a healthy community right now. If anyone was thrown to the wolves, it was 5cats (he did bring it onto himself though). Squrlz took a stand, and hopefully his actions will lead to much needed improvement on the site. 

   Looks like fancylad is dealing with it in the right way, as indicated by open forum post. I hope other hateful members, like moldysod and  thething911 will be called out and banned, if they keep breaking the rules by spreading hate. 
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boredhuman Leaving a site instead of trying to improve it is a lazy way out of dealing with conflict

Who did that? Not squrlz, because he tried a number of things before leaving. Not me, because I haven't left.

 I object to IAB members ganging up, harassing 5cats and throwing
unfounded accusations at him.

That's just fucking weak. 'ganging up on 5cats'? The fucker has been violently abusive for literally years. Users have been complaining about specifically his behaviour for literally years. The same users have passionate disagreements with other conservatives like monkwarrior, yet they don't continually ask for something to be done about him. The 'ganging up' is simply a number of users who 5cats has individually ticked off over time all saying their bit. If he didn't spit out his vitriolic bile from multiple accounts, then people wouldn't treat him like they do.

And since you like to pretend that 5cats doesn't have sockpuppets, how come you don't say a peep about 5cats 'ganging up' with moldysod & co. Funny how those accounts are always online at similar times and always bitching about the same users, isn't it?

'unfounded accusations', what a fucking joke. 

Anyway, a tip for you: users aren't pissed at 5cats because he uses sockpuppets, they're pissed at him because of the caustic spew he hurls at people. If someone was using sockpuppets to make jokes and help people have fun, would you also class them being called on it as an "ugly unfounded accusation"? Of course fucking not.

Pretending that 5cats is the victim here is not the way forward
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barry9a "Who did that? Not squrlz, because he tried a number of things before leaving." Enlighten me, what did he do before leaving? I saw him object to a 5cats post for being hateful and accuse him of using multiple accounts. What did i miss?
You think 5cats is making things up about squrlz accusing him of being a pedophile? Squrlz was a great member - no question. But he's no angel-he had a dark history with 5cats.

"If he didn't spit out his vitriolic bile from multiple accounts, then people wouldn't treat him like they do." If you repeat an accusation often enough, it will be true? I've read the 'evidence' - text analysis, time analysis... none of it is conclusive.

Squrlz accused a bunch of other users of being 5cats sockpuppets - you'll still maintain that fojos is 5cats, even after he explained himself?

FYI moldysod is still alive and well. You'd expect 5cats to keep commenting on his alternate accounts to satisfy his daily dose of hate, right? How do you explain the 'sockpuppets' keeping largely quiet since 5cats got banned?
You want 5cats 's alternate account? Look no further than christopher_bourne.

"users aren't pissed at 5cats because he uses sockpuppets, they're pissed at him because of the caustic spew he hurls at people." You're forgetting that he regularly posted conservative bullshit articles that liberals hate, and then got into heated arguments with them. 

"'unfounded accusations', what a fucking joke." You know who's laughing? If I'm right, it's the trolls behind moldysod and thething911.

"Pretending that 5cats is the victim here is not the way forward" If the multiple account accusations turn out to be false, then 5cats IS a victim of false accusations! Sure, his response was over-the-top and deserved a ban. I moved on already. I refuse to believe the unfounded accusations. 
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boredhuman Jesus fuck, you're one of those morons who think the world was created yesterday.

I mean, you whine about squrlz not doing anything, but he (and others) have begged fancylad to do something about 5cats for, literally, years. EVEN IN THIS FUCKING POST, squrlz says that he emailed fancy twice, and you don't have the attention span to even remember that - no, according to you, squrlz has 'done nothing'. Why the fuck should I bother to 'enlighten you' when you can't remember anything the next day?

And, finally, it's not the fucking sock puppets where people have the actual problem with with 5cats. Really. It isn't. 
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barry9a You like swearing, do you? You'd like more people on IAB to comment like you do here? 

It's not worth my effort to read through your angry, toxic post. 

I suggest you calm down and start using less vulgar language to express yourself. Right now you sound no better than 5cats. 
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boredhuman Okay, let me try it your way:

What, you called my comment toxic? There is no evidence that it's toxic. And swearing? There is no swearing here. Yeah, sometimes people don't agree with me, but there is no evidence of swearing or toxicity. I'm the victim here, of your false accusations!
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boredhuman, “Other members, who broke policy guidelines in order to get 5cats banned, should ALSO be disciplined.”

I would gladly take a permaban for the team if it means removing him from this community. He’s toxic.
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markust123 Well, 5cats is officially gone. His profile page is empty. Is that what you wanted to happen? Are you happy?

moldysod, thething911, and fojos however are alive and kicking. At least fojos explained himself.

Squrlz is still gone. So is DrCribbens. holygod said his 11,111th comment may be his last ever. 

IAB lost good people this week. Changes need to be made. Rules need to be followed. 
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boredhuman, “Are you happy?”

He’ll only be gone a month. Will this site be a thousand times better with him gone? Absolutely. I for one won’t miss his special brand of hate.
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boredhuman, “I'm concerned (if) you feel the harassment of 5cats was justified.”

If moldysod is not his sock puppet, no. But if he is, he brought it all on himself. Either way I can admit I accused him a few times too often.

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fancylad I'll explain it, I have before but I don't expect anyone to read every comment here, not even Fancy!

- He mounted campaigns (plural) to get me banned or censored in the past over issues like AGW.

- He made up some tale of how I'm a child molester, spread this rumour constantly and encouraged others to make false police reports about me. That in itself is an actual crime, btw. Nothing was done, I had to fight it out with several "believers" who couldn't understand why such a "nice guy" would falsely and baselessly say such untrue things. He "keeps files" on me... things HE considers to be 'child pornography' on HIS comp. These are random images of catgirls or other cute art I pulled off the internets... HE keeps them on file...
Making such a police report was a direct threat to my life. I took it extremely seriously, especially when he started carpet-bombing IAB with it. Off topic, personal attacks relentlessly spreading lies.
Finally stomped that fire out, mostly alone afaik. Some IAB members also spoke up about it, but IDK if Fancy ever did or said anything.

- So again, after months of ignoring him almost entirely, and being very happy to do so! I accidentally noticed 2 members revealing they were using sock puppets to by-pass me ignoring them. Both claimed "I said in a previous post..." and when I thought "When did they say that?" I went back and looked. It was a puppet who said it, not them. So I pointed this out to them both...
Immediately after this? S4E went on a TIRADE about ME using puppets. Tons of puppets, puppets everywhere!! His "facts" were as vacuous as his previous campaigns of lies: he had none. Zero. Not a damn thing.

Let me be perfectly clear: I have never used a puppet on IAB, or on any other site (except as a joke, with everyone knowing who it was. I think I used "IAmNot5Cats" here (or elsewhere) about 7 years back? Less than 20 times iirc. Several of us made up funny alts, it was funny!) that I can recall.
Of course this didn't stop him, and once more he harassed and bombarded IAB with this bullshit, with others joining in with equally empty accusations.

This is not only insulting to me, I'm used to that, I ignore it all the time. Several IAB Trolls CONSTANTLY harass me and use their puppets to do so as well. But this insulted REAL IAB members who are also falsely being accused. All attempts at reasoning, discussion and such things were met with crude insults and further attacks.
Again: this carried on for weeks. I tried to ignore it but with other IAB members also being attacked for it? I stood up and fought back. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth: fight fire with fire.

So how many campaigns of hate should I happily accept and tolerate? What level of abuse is A-OK here? I fought BACK I did not start it, unless laughing about catching those 2 members "red handed" counts as an attack somehow? 

I don't want to get banned because others are so filled with hate they violate all common sense and decency to express it. I don't think that's my fault. I just want to laugh and disagree politely like I have done for many years here.

Thanks you all for reading this. I hope it's clear enough.
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5cats Dude, it's not your sock puppets that people actually have a problem with, it's your violently abusive nature. No-one believes you when you say you only fight back, because we've all seen you start fights and then pretend it wasn't you. Like I said elsewhere in this thread, I've seen you bitch out other users as the first comment on one of your own posts.

Go see a psychiatrist. Get some meds. Get some therapy. Work on yourself. Seriously.
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5cats even if true none of his justifies not only your attack on Sqrlz, but your egregious behaviour against anyone here who does not agree with you.
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Noooo! >_< I so sad...

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Squrlz, I hope you decide to stay. You make this place brighter and more interesting.
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I-A-B will be total crap without the humor, wit, and intellectual content submitted/posted by our resident tree-dwelling rodent. Not too sure to stick around for too long if this site loses one of its better members. Especially considering the reason why Squrlz will be leaving...
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Don't go Squrlz, I'll miss you.  I know we disagree a lot, but you are one of the few who will actually listen and discuss.  If you go, I'll probably not remain much longer myself.  If there's anyone around here I'd trust to be a mod it would be you.
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I'll miss you Squrlz.  You were one of the few people that could have an intelligent, rational discourse, and you were able to 'agree to disagree' unlike so many here.

And I learned how to post images here just so I could post the occasional squirrel...

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OH COME ON MAN, wtf..  Do no leave do not let some piece of shit run you outta here.

Here's what ya do, make a sock puppet and be just as vile to them as they were to you.  If you need some ammo, just lemme know, i can go lower than a snakes belly.

Man i have been building up my squirrel meme library just for you!  You can't go now!

PS: While I would love to be a mod, I know myself well enough to know that I would be a ban happy son of a bitch. Folks would think i had a Gatling wheel added to the ban button from me banning so fast.  so I could not, in good conscious, be a mod.
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daegog "Here's what ya do, make a sock puppet and be just as vile to them as they were to you." - No, you make mods and clean up the hate and ugly comments. Make users express their disagreements in polite, civilized ways. Ban users who fail to do so, until they learn. 
You start spreading vile, it will just make IAB even uglier. 
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5cats <- ban him
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Shit, Squrlz, you're one of the main reasons this site is so enjoyable.

Sorry some asswipe's been a shithead to you. It should be rectified. (fancy, a lot of people have been loyal over the years. What's the deal?)

I hope you check back occasionally to see if things have been improved.  If I'm no longer around, you'll know that it hasn't. (though some will say my absence would be the improving.)

Until then, "Have fun storming the castle!"