This Stand-Up Comedian Gives His Broad Take On The Florida High School Massacre

Submitted by: 5cats 3 months ago in News & Politics


15-year-old Anthony Borges, saved 20 classmates as he slammed a classroom door shut during the Florida high school shooting. He was shot 5 times. He's also, suspected "crisis actor."

Owen Benjamin is a very funny fellow! Watch his video on his take of the Florida high school shooting that took place a couple weeks ago.



In related news, the MSM managed to ignore the story that was obvious from the start: these kids were allegedly being coached, fed lines and edited out if they didn't follow the meme. David Hines, contributor for The Federalist asks the question, Why Did It Take Two Weeks To Discover Parkland Students’ Astroturfing?

The big propaganda machines of the far-left seemed to swoop in by day two to control the message these kids were "allowed" to say. But how did not one 'journalist' talk about the alleged astroturfing for two weeks. It was well known to everyone except them, it seems, as many kids from Parkland complained how they were excluded from speaking at the town hall events unless they followed the pre-approved scripts.

And of course, the conservative Daily Caller (founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney) allege that the Florida high school survivors are exploiting the tragedy by claiming that "the NRA is basically killing children."
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If people don't believe in crisis actors, research crowdsondemand.com. 
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Male 42,934
lisa_lock Right, and welcome to IAB.
I'm not claiming these kids are fakes: I don't doubt they're who they say they are. But the coaching, scripting and orchestration of it all makes what they say simple propaganda, not their genuine beliefs , and NOT the beliefs of ALL the students there. There are some who disagree, but the MSM won't ever allow that to be known.
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Male 538
Welp, when some of these kids are going to be old enough to vote real soon, I suppose you won't have a choice but to listen to the kids. Annnnnnnd I'm still bored.
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Male 5,249
wellsy57 eat a ghost pepper. then you will not be bored
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Go fuck yourself
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Female 519
So the argument is "AR-15s are OK because they haven't killed as many people as some other things I'm thinking of"? That's really the best you've got? By that logic, ISIS are OK because they didn't kill as many people as Stalin.
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Male 42,934
Why is MY funny video labeled as a "stand up comedian" as if that were a bad thing... but many many MANY other leftist-supporting comedians, talks show hosts and "celebrities" are not? :-<

Yes it is humorous, it is political comedy. Why the denigration... of right! (hint: right!)
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Male 276
5cats You are the scapegoat. All the world's ills fall to you. On I-A-B anyway...
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Male 16,967
moldysod it's so creepy when ms talks to 5c
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Male 5,249
moldysod go play some more world of warcraft lol! i mean..
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Male 4,848
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Male 852
Just the words "Crisis Actor"  make we want to hit someone.  It is Holocaust denial for the modern age.  

"Your tragedy makes me feel bad about something I strongly believe. So instead of examining my beliefs, I am going to accuse you and your loved ones of faking it."  FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES.
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Male 276
muert Do some research on crisis actors, if you're not a close minded know-it-all. Which you most certainly are. The truth is out there, faggot. 
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Male 5,249
moldysod you seem to be easily angered
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Male 852
moldysod I'll admit that is possible for "crisis actors" to exist.  But (and this is a big but, almost as large as the gaping astronomical assholes who throw around the phrase crisis actor) the problem comes from scaling each person involved needs to be coerced.  Their friends and family need to be coerced.  The more people that are involved, the more likely that leaks are to show up.  The only possible way something like this could be accomplished is on small scales events.  Like the shooting instructor who broke up a stabbing, or the teacher going crazy with a gun.

In short, I stand by my assertion.   FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE,  you bloated puss filled cyst on the nether regions of humanity.  Were I a worse person I would wish 1% of the pain that the victims of these claims feel every time this bullshit comes up on you.  But nobody deserves that kind of pain, especially not the victims of these attacks.  So go back to your dank hole and roger yourself with one of the firearms that you love more then your fellow humans. 
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Male 7,254
moldysod 5cats, I love the way you win the hearts and minds of IAB'ers, no matter if you're using your 5cats account or moldysod or thething911 or Fojos. I guess you felt you have so much hate to spread around, one account simply couldn't handle the workload. LOL!
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Male 6,375
5cats Makes up weird nickname “psychopath” then responds to that IAB member with gruesome picture after gruesome picture. Disgustingly and homophobically calls me “shit lover”. Were you projecting there too?
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Male 42,934
markust123 Do I "keep files" on other IAB members? No.
Do I put up comment after comment for weeks and months towards someone who almost never replies and has vowed to ignore me? Nope.
& etc.
And finally: stop telling lies. It's so easy! Just stop. It violates the IAB rules (says the psychopath himself!) to do that sort of thing, so cut it out and act like a decent human being... you two started it, it is up to you to stop it.
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Male 6,375
5cats I'm game. How about you lead by example. Act like a decent human being and stop attacking people. Stop telling people to fuck off. Stop telling people to kill themselves. Stop with the bigoted attacks. Stop telling lies with your misinformation and disinformation. It all violates the rules of IAB. Stop with your straw man arguments. Learn how to fact check. Admit when you are wrong. Act like a decent human being and I will gladly treat you with respect.
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Male 42,934
markust123 He started this, not me. I was happy to ignore him for months, he kept baiting me and harassing me but that's "normal" around here. I just ignored it all.
But when he AND YOU start spreading the lies to attack OTHER very real IAB members, not just me? You crossed a line.
I am happy to stop! Look at me stopping! :-) But push me more and I'll be moving again, yes? I have been pushing BACK when attacked, you may not have noticed this since you were one of those who was doing the attacking...
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Male 7,254
5cats You wouldn't know this because you've never been an IAB moderator, but any moderator who's doing his job occasionally takes screenshots of what users have posted. In your case, I've taken quite a few screenshots because you have a long history of horrible behavior and deceit.

As far as my responding to things you've posted, let me tell you for the hundredth time: Grow up. IAB is a public forum. When you make comments here or a submission of yours is published, everyone has a right to comment on it. You have no special privilege to announce "I'm ignoring him--therefore, he isn't allowed to address a comment to me." It doesn't work that way.

Regarding your claim that Markus and I started it, that's more deceit on your part. As HolyGod recently stated, the first person on IAB to use the term "sock puppet" and point fingers was you. Your claims that I was using sock puppets were so absurd and so frequent, I actually wrote a humorous essay about it.

What impresses me most, however, is that while you were making claims of who was and wasn't a sock puppet, you yourself were already using them, with your moldysod, thething911, and Fojos accounts. I have never seen such an example of hypocrisy, childishness, and self-loathing in all my life.

Honestly, why don't you think about attending a community college and working to get a degree? Why don't you try putting your energies into something positive instead of something negative?
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Male 42,934
squrlz4ever You are a fucking psychopath.
Stop harassing me: fuck off ok?
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Male 42,934
5cats FancyLAd? Is this psychopath a moderator here?? (Edit: gosh I was in a bad mood that night!)
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Male 7,254
5cats If by "psychopath," you're referring to me: No, I am not currently a moderator. As I think you know, I was a moderator a few years ago. IAB has no moderators at the present time. Sorry if that confused you.
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Male 42,934
squrlz4ever It certainly did (edit: confuse me I mean! I was indeed confused about what that meant), since I don't want to actually read anything you say, I certainly didn't examine that comment for further info. 
(Edit: Perhaps I should have? But oh well! It isn't like you normally have anything worthy to say.)
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Male 16,967
5cats WTF is it with you and these pictures? Is it some kind of violent threat?
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Male 42,934
Draculya Nope, why would it be? Do you imagine the psychopath is really an actual rodent?
Hint: I'm not actually a feline... just FYI there ok?
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Male 6,375
squrlz4ever Did you read what he said in the nazi post (besides the vile and disgusting homophobic rants toward me)? The ellipsis at the end is his. He’s saying that to show everyone that he doesn’t use sock puppets he may have created a sock puppet we would never once suspect. Because he’s highly creative you know.

"If I DID have a puppet? Don't you think I'd be smarter than that? I'm highly creative you know, I can EASILY make a puppet you and the fuckers you like to suck shit with would never once suspect.
I may have started that project already...”


What’s telling is, in his denials of using sock puppets he often says number two and three of the five examples of what liars say in this Psychology Today article: 5 things people commonly say when they are lying.
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Male 7,254
markust123 Agreed. His usual response is the Bart Simpson defense. LOL!
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Male 42,934
markust123 So by denying it, I am admitting it?
And if I don't deny it, that's also proof!
How about you go and fuck yourself, is that proof too? Seriously, stop telling lies.
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Male 5,249
5cats ur precious
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Male 5,889
muert I know what you mean.  How could you tell a parent that lost a child in some of this bullshit that the child didn't die, it was all just an hoax or whatever they call it.

That's just too cold for words.
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Male 4,848
Delusions.  This is why mental health is important in a normal progressive society.
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Male 16,967
You lost me at Mainstream media
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Male 42,934
Draculya You get lost easily little snowflake. Might want to toughen up your skin or something, it's a thorny world out there in reality, eh?
I guess the Communists keep you in perfect safety and you never need confront reality, eh? Good for you then!
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Male 5,249
5cats funny the fragile cat whos always the victim calling others snowflake, man up bro. 
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that funny
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Male 42,934
dm2754 Thanks, it's clunky and uneven, but has a lot of funny stuff in it!
(Especially the very end, lmao!)
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Male 847
Goddamn it, another 6 minutes of my life I'll never get back. And the video is stupid. I would rather listen to those children than idiot conservatives who still supports Trump.
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Male 5,889
fuad119 you made it thru 6 min?  90 sec and I was out.
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Male 847
daegog I can afford to lose a few IQ points as my talent is not being used to its full potential.
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Male 42,934
daegog Typical, and yet you attack it AS IF you'd actually watched it all... typical.
So no need to believe you've EVER watched the ACTUAL POST eh? You FEEL FREE to attack it based on the title... that's so special!
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Male 5,889
Who in the blue hell could make themselves watch this whole video?

Hats off to ya..
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Male 6,375
"The big propaganda machines of the far-left seemed to swoop in by day two to control the message these kids were "allowed" to say. But how did not one 'journalist' talk about the alleged astroturfing for two weeks. It was well known to everyone except them, it seems, as many kids from Parkland complained how they were excluded from speaking at the town hall events unless they followed the pre-approved scripts."

The accusations that CNN scripted the Parkland town hall turned out to be false. The father edited CNN's emails before sending them to Fox. Sean Hannity issued the following apology, "For the sake of honesty and full disclosure to which we are committed, we have to tell you there is no evidence as of right now that CNN tried to give Colton Haab a scripted question, and we wanted you to know that." Link
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Male 21,403
markust123 that does not sound like Sean hanity, but I’m glad he had the applesack to respond with the truth.
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Male 6,375
fancylad I know. I was shocked when I saw it too.
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For the record, I rewrote the headline and sub-headline to reflect a neutral tone as the original copy was a bit on the insensitiveside. That said, I approved the post because I personally find it fascinating how this comedian can be so obtuse about manipulating numbers to fit his narrative. There’s a reason why you’ve never heard of him. 
 
As for the second article mentioned in this post, you should note that the “journalist” shilled for a book in November 2017 – about four months ago – about teaching the conservative right how to organize and fight the “Lefties.” The hypocrisy is hilarious and deep down inside IAB’s warm, gooey core, is a humor site. 
 
The third article comes from the Daily Caller which says it all, but I let it ride because it’s always satisfying to see all these conservative websites cower over the fact that “Generation Z” – the group this current flock of high school students fall in – have started the conversation of revisiting gun control.
 
Also, here’s another one of those pesky “crisis actors” you've been hearing about lately: 



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Male 5,249
fancylad i am curious as to the original heading to the submission
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Male 4,848
fancylad "Here is my crisis actor girlfriend..."

This is some much needed reality, similar to your 16 sec post from the day after the shooting.  Keep up the good fight Fancy.
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Male 5,249
kalron27 fancy normally always re- arranges my headlines always for the better.sometimes i joke about the choices but i get it. i understand fancy wont post all my fart/poop based humor and thats OK.  need to get rid of these few people who think that posting on online forums is changing the world. life is a goof mostly. smile a bit, getting your blood pressure up over shit is stupid.
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Male 7,254
fancylad Thanks for supplying some editorial judgment, Fancy. Content like this is best presented at arm's length, as opposed to embracing it, if that makes any sense.
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Male 42,934
fancylad Well, at least you told everyone before the inevitable shitstorm of !!outrage!!11!! over it.

Adding things to completely alter the point of the post isn't exactly Halal, but whatever. There's no disputing the far-left position(s) you've taken lately, and it is your site after all.
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5cats Here's your chance to post the original title and subtitle to expose fancylad as a far-left extremist! What was the original point of the post - to manufacture outrage?

You bring up a few good points, 5cats, hidden behind the hypocrisy and cringe-worthy humor.

1. Child victims speaking out is an appeal to emotion. Children cannot be expected to come up with rational solutions to complicated problems.
   The right prefers fear as their appeal to emotion. A rational appeal is rarely made; sadly, little rational discussion takes place as it relates to gun control. Obviously adults should be discussing gun control - not children. Research should be done to study gun violence and to come up with solution - why is CDC not researching gun violence? Oh, it's because NRA opposed it and made sure CDC funding got slashed.

2. Children could not have come up with an effective campaign themselves.
   It's not surprising to me that it turns out that money and expertise were behind the campaign to make it successful. This time it's the democrats who use a tragedy to score political points on their agenda. Republicans have done the same, and will do it in the future.
   I agree that it is important to see where the resources are coming from. As fancylad points out, the federalist writer should know what he's talking about - he's an expert in organizing a political movement! To suggest that crisis actors were used is a vicious accusation that requires solid proof... almost as insensitive as saying that "NRA basically kills children"...

3. CNN should lose credibility by failing to correct the outrageous remark by the student about the NRA.
   I checked, and there is no mention of the video on CNN's website - looks like CNN will hope the video clip will go away. Letting the quote unopposed "...stop the NRA from doing what they’re doing, basically killing kids" - is just going to generate outrage and hurt rational discussion. Just like fancylad is justified in cleaning up the title of this post to reduce outrage, so should CNN not let outrageous claims like this go unchallenged. 

Overall, I like to hate posts like these. You have to go through a bunch of layers of bullshit, but there is a tiny nugget of truth under it all. 
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boredhuman Turns out that the URL for a post holds the original title at least.  So this one was: "Listen to the children because they aren't being manipulated at all."
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muert Good catch. Thanks! The title is not substantiated in the post at all, so I say - good change by fancylad
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boredhuman #1 You did well until you got to the CDC's #FakeNews. There is a TON of research being done: FBI and dozens of private firms as well. The CDC does not need to spend millions doing useless, redundant "studies" with a singular political aim: to make guns look scary!!
If the liberal-left is so worried? They can spend some money on that instead of bussing illegal aliens around and inciting riots...

#2 So you freely admit that single-issue extremist groups have hi-jacked the "movement" which never actually existed since it was taken over entirely by day-2. Only those students who "toe the line" are allowed to speak and the ones who don't are not only shunned but forcibly silenced.
So you know that these 'kids' are spouting propaganda they may not even understand, and are fundraising for the Democrats, and that's ok?? 
FFS, not ALL of them are coached and scripted! No one says that. But SOME ARE and others who do NOT agree with "the plan" are silenced by omission. There's no doubt, they (the MSM) don't even try to hide it any longer...

#3 That is what CNN DOES! That is what the MSM DOES! It has been going on for over a decade but went into hyper-drive for the past election... which they LOST. They tell lies then when those lies have been repeated enough their base believes it... even if they are forced to retract the lies? Few will pay attention and even fewer will believe the truth.

"A lie travels around the world before the truth can put its pants on..." -Mark Twain

Fancy added a layer of bullshit which had nothing AT ALL to do with my post submission. 

As I said: it's his site: if he wants to make every post a far-left propaganda tool? Not one thing I can do about that.

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5cats "#1... There is a TON of research being done"
   There is disproportionately little funding and publications compared to the number of deaths due to gun violence.

- Journal of American Medical Association article link
"There is a TON of research being done" - Let's see it. The wiki disagrees with you.

"#2 So you freely admit that single-issue extremist groups have hi-jacked the "movement""
   No, I do not. I haven't followed this campaign closely enough to have sufficient facts.
"So you know that these 'kids' are spouting propaganda they may not even understand, and are fundraising for the Democrats, and that's ok??"
   No, I do not know. If that's what they're doing, they should be exposed. But you BETTER have solid proof before accusing child victims of being crisis actors.
   How do you know the "coaches" don't just help children tell their story more effectively? What if the child victims themselves freely ask the democrat coaches "What can be done about guns?!" and then parrot what you call "propaganda" to the media?
   Of course the media will give airtime to the most articulate children, and these would have had coaching. Would you be just as outraged, if NRA coached child victims to talk about "more guns in schools"? - I would. Like I said, I don't like appeal to emotion, and that is the reason I haven't followed this story.

"#3... They tell lies then when those lies have been repeated enough their base believes it..."
   Technically, CNN didn't lie. CNN failed to correct a 'lie' spoken on their network. It doesn't excuse CNN.
   Maybe the reason I can't find this segment on CNN is because they retracted it... I suspect the only reason you found it is because you read Breitbart or a bunch of other conservative sites that won't let go of CNN's error. The only networks who repeat the CNN segment with the lie are the conservative news networks!!

"Fancy added a layer of bullshit which had nothing AT ALL to do with my post submission."
   What are you talking about?! As far as I understand, he just changed the title and did not alter your article. You want to show how fancylad ruined your post, write the original title and let people judge. 
   If you're complaining about his comment - tough luck. He's commenting same as everyone else! Counter his points. 
   If fancylad ever decides to reject one of your posts (without giving you a chance to revise it to submit it), then please copy/paste it in the comments of another post, so we know what type of content he's trying to silence. I don't see any reason for complaint, as far as fancylad is concerned. 
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boredhuman And added some images and such things to "balance" the post. I don't recall him balancing too many far-left posts with truth and facts, but hey! I don't read every single thing here eh? :-)

He doesn't post everything I submit, why would he? I try to only submit "good stuff" but also unusual things too. It is rare that I complain that a submission isn't posted, and even rarer that I make a special plea to have something posted, maybe 3 times over the years? lolz!

#1 Well, what research isn't being done? What isn't known about gun violence? It is heavily connected to criminals, drugs, booze and mental illness. What more is there to know?
What the grabbers want is "research" that supports their goals. It doesn't even have to be remotely true, just sound good! And of course they want other people to pay for it too...
For those diseases and such? There are labs and tests and pills and all kinds of expensive things to do! What laboratories are required for "gun violence"? Even accidental falls has more things to study and learn...

#2 Oh ok. I noticed it right from the start, the only kids being shown were the ones who parroted the party line properly. Several instances of kids being 'shut down' by interviewers when they strayed even a little bit from it... And these "grassroots" campaigns are simply not that at all: they are heavily staffed and funded by the usual groups, this has been confirmed but it took a long time for the truth to come out. Astroturf at it's most ugly.

#3 CNN has led the charge of emotional and illogical "arguments" that are just plain dumb. Tons of dumbness and nothing remotely "fact checked" either:


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5cats "I don't recall [fancylad] balancing too many far-left posts with truth and facts" I'm sure this was just a reaction to your previous post, which produced a strong reaction from the likes of squrlz4ever. Usually there is no need for fancylad to chime in, since a rebuttal to your posts is quickly written by one of the IAB members.
"#1 Well, what research isn't being done?" - there are a lot of guesswork going on as it relates to guns precisely because there is a lack of research. Neither the gun-control nor gun-freedom can cite research to back up their claims. You think giving guns to teachers will make schools safer? How about we research this question in Texas before making it nationwide!

#2 Have you seen conservative networks interview NRA-coached children pushing NRA propaganda? Did you see angry Florida teachers speaking out: "If only I could bring my gun to school, I would have saved the children!" Please link if you've seen this. If not: how do you explain it?

#3 [EDIT: I misread the graphic. Yeah, talking about bullet speed in corridor fights is stupid] You linked MSNBC screwing up their graphics :P Look, if the best argument against CNN is that they failed to correct a child telling misinformation, I'd say CNN is doing pretty well. 
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boredhuman Did the psychopath comment there? I try very hard to NOT read his crap...

- What research? Put guns in half the schools and the others are a 'control group'? For how long? A year? 5? 10? That's research but it doesn't sound like a good idea to me...

- 'Conservative networks' what are these mythical things you speak of? Fox news? It's pay-to-view up here.
You will NEVER see such a thing on the MSM even though yes, several teaches have come right out and said they want guns to protect the kids. Not necessarily from Parklands but from Florida and other States. Will the MSM show "balanced coverage"? Not if their lives depended on it: total embargo.

Remember when Obama "Armed the schools"? No one marched in protest over THAT now did they? But Sheriff Israel was proud to defy that rule... thus no armed cops were IN the school: by HIS orders...

- That wasn't screwed up graphics, ok? THAT was the actual TOPIC! And it wasn't just CNN it was ACROSS THE MSM! They ALL started shouting about muzzle velocity on the same day... it's as if they got 'marching orders' from the DNC... (hint: they did, and do so every single day).
It's is complete stupidity, 3000fps vs 1000fps? At a distance of 50 feet? Yeah, it lets you dodge pistol shots like you were in the freaking Matrix, am I right?? :-O Maybe you can shoot them out of the air as they sloooooly drift towards you...
But the drumbeat sounded, dozens of talking heads talked about it: not a single fact was checked!
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5cats Lack of research about guns is the biggest issue for me. The fact that the country with the most guns has so little research is problematic.
"What research?" What you propose is a good start. You can't set up a true experiment, but can gather the data from different schools that follow different gun policies. Yes, this research usually takes decades. Because of the '96 Dickey amendment that slashed the CDC budget, we are 2 decades behind in research!
"doesn't sound like a good idea to me..." - i know you don't trust researchers, as indicated by your distrust towards climate scientists.

"Remember when Obama "Armed the schools"?" No idea what you're talking about.

"It's is complete stupidity, 3000fps vs 1000fps? At a distance of 50 feet?" - It is stupid! The news people are trying to talk about facts, but there is no research to talk about. So, they talk about anything that is remotely relevant.

" 'Conservative networks' what are these mythical things you speak of?" I'm talking about media that are labeled conservative. It's not just TV and radio - we're in the 21st century, buddy. Examples you like: Breitbart, The Federalist, Daily Mail, The Daily Caller, Frontpage etc... Whatever you think the infrastructure is behind the liberal fake news, what makes you think conservative news don't follow similar methods or structure?
   We can look at the structure behind Frontpage, if you like: the Harowitz Freedom Center, which is paid for by the "largest and most influential right-wing organization."
"Fox news?" Do you watch CNN much? Or do you just hear about the CNN clips only through your trusted conservative internet sites?
"Will the MSM show "balanced coverage"?" Balanced in what way? Balanced by crazy, hollow accusations that children are crisis actors? Maybe you should subscribe to fox news: their motto is "fair and balanced."  

It sure beats Breitbart's motto: 
#WAR has been our motto since the days of Andrew Breitbart, and we use it whenever we go to war against our three main targets, which are, in order: Hollywood and the mainstream media, number one; the Democratic Party and the institutional left, number two; and the Republican establishment in Washington, number three." - Breitbart Editor Joel Pollack

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boredhuman I can tell propaganda from actual research most of the time... what the grabbers want is fuel to stoke the fires with, not actual facts OK?

Obama pushed to place 1000s of armed guards in American schools. he was (mostly) celebrated for doing so. Trump says the same thing and is demonized. Well, close to the same thing anyhow. :-/ So why are "guns in schools" OK when Obama says it, but "killing the children" when Trump says it?

That is "fear mongering" it has nothing to do with facts or reality. 3000 fps and 1000 fps both kill you dead, to pretend one is "more scary" than the other is beyond stupidity: it is an outright lie. But that's what the MSM pushes on us all day long.

Those aren't networks, they are websites or Blogs... 

I used to watch CNN a lot, but the last election they went "all in" for Hillary and purged ALL their remotely moderate personnel, replacing them with Hilly-bots. It is pure propaganda now, and their ratings fell like a rock too...

Thanks for your civility btw.

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5cats "I can tell propaganda from actual research most of the time..." Your views on climate science show otherwise, where you favor amateurs who blatantly misrepresent research over actual scientists.

I've read your submission. Obama had a different approach. You failed to mention that besides offering to subsidize police officers, he gave funds to boost counseling at schools.

Back in 2013, Democrats were somewhat bewildered about Obama's actions as well, as indicated by this article. They still supported him, but suspected he might have been pressured by the gun lobby. You probably saw this Obama town hall response to gun control question. Here is Trump's misleading gun rhetoric. It's not the same thing.

"fear mongering"? - that's the specialty of the republicans. Have you actually seen the MSNBC video clip? They briefly mentioned the bullet velocity, but didn't talk about it - you make it out as if that's all they talk about, because that's probably all you know.

"Those aren't networks, they are websites or Blogs..." Agreed, 'network' refers to television - it was a poor word choice by me. Nevertheless, they are news media.

"It is pure propaganda now, and their ratings fell like a rock too..." CNN and MSNBC are different networks - MSNBC are openly liberal... while CNN at least position themselves as independent. CNN's ratings dropped compared to last February, but it's still their 2nd highest ratings in the past 10 years. I don't watch the television at all. The only thing bothering me is that the success by the conservative FOX news and liberal MSNBC means that the partisanship is only intensifying.

"Thanks for your civility btw." You too. My hope is that more people can disagree in civil way like we do: Exchange opinions, present facts, learn from each other. 
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boredhuman the children need not come up with anything more substantial than "stop fucking shooting us". It's the adults job to make it happen.
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Draculya And you imply that "demonic Republicans WANT children to DIIIIEEE!"
That's just... low...
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5cats You got it all twisted 5cats, i will watch the video ONLY because fancy said something.  Normally i just thumb it down without even bothering to give it glance.

Fancy, in other words, is giving you credibility.
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daegog But you didn't watch it, like the little snowflake that you are: ANY divergent opinion no matter how filled with truth or facts CANNOT BE ALLOWED!
Typical.
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Male 16,967
5cats the insult "snowflake" doesn't work here. It makes no sense as a reposte to what was said. It's just slack-minded to pull a random conservative-sounding insult out of the air.

How about you at least start insulting people with wit and proper context? It'll be a big step up.
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Draculya If you weren't such a stupid faggot? Perhaps I could do just that!
But no, you are so lame and limp and flaccid? Specific insults are lost on you.
Too bad, so sad. How about you act like an adult for a change? That would be something, yes? 
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Male 4,848
daegog Preach
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Male 21,403
daegog thanks, dae. I changed the title for the exact reason you mentioned — because if I left the head and sub-head as it was, no one would read it and give it a thumb down. To beat the enemy, one must know the enemy and if right-wing writers like the ones in this post are exposed for the fear mongers they are, I chalk it up as a small win.
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fancylad So you defeat us by... changing what we say into strawmen, telling only the propaganda your "side" endorses, hiding the facts and fighting those "paper tigers" ever so bravely!!

At least you admit doing all that (stuff), unlike... every single other IAB Liberal Army member. And you can do it, it's your IAB after all! :-|
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5cats I watched your video. Are you trying to say that it makes valid points? The Florida students calling for gun control are high schoolers. not Timmy the fifth grader. When they lobby to make their schools safer we shouldnt be calling them stupid, we should be making their schools safer.
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aegis1294 The things they are demanding will simply NOT make the schools any safer. It will make them LESS safe.
That Sheriff Israel is proud that he defied Federal orders (from Obama!) to allow armed staff (deputies) in the school... that's why the duty-cop was outside in the first place! The killer knew exactly where he was and also that he wouldn't DO anything: the kids were sitting ducks because of that.
That same deputy had several encounters with De la Cruz before, some of them violent, but NEVER arrested or charged him. Again that is following "the rules" laid out by the school board and Florida law enforcement... rules that made the school LESS safe...

So how would "more rules" make anyone safer? What specific laws will do that?
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5cats that security officer wasnt doing his job at all infact if im not mistaken he resigned/ was fired over this. I dont expect you to know this being from Canada and all, but most schools especially high schools already have armed security.
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aegis1294 He did his job as ordered to. The facts are slowly being heard:

- He was outside because the Sheriff ordered him not to go into the school with his sidearm. That was POLICY. He stayed there because that's what his orders came in as: wait for SWAT. This violates SOP but that comes from the top, not the grunts.

- I LINKED the fact that OBAMA armed the schools, or at least started to. Israel defied those orders, he campaigned on defying them!! So I do indeed know.
SO: why are Democrats so "up in arms" over something that's already happened (started to anyhow) under their watch?

- shitty schools in Canada get police patrolling the halls here too. We have plenty of gangs and criminals recruiting kids.

The two other part-time security guys (off duty) at the scene did NOT have their sidearms because they'd be fired on the spot if they were brought on school grounds. Thus both were unarmed and one died because of that.

I know enough about these things, the border doesn't block information eh? ;-)
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5cats My apologies then, didn't see any links. My school had 4 armed cops, a hand gun is all they carry, but that's all a regular cop on the street would have as well. The shotgun is locked in the trunk for emergencies, but in this situation it may have taken to long to get it. Liberals don't wan't teachers to have guns. Students and teachers don't want teachers to have guns. I've been subject to a few teachers that would absolutely abuse that authority, and they get payed a pittance to teach much less handle life or death situations.

Honestly though if you apply and are hired to be an armed security officer, I damn well expect you to risk your life to provide security. If that's too much to ask for maybe some mall needs a Paul Blart.
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aegis1294 Oh no worries, I sounded a lot grumpier than I was :/ I shouldn't expect people to see EVERY link here, that's not reasonable eh?

A lot of teachers DO want to carry, or at the very least have access to their personal guns in cases of dire emergency. Not a majority of teachers I totally agree, but a significant % and it would only take 10-20% of teachers being armed to stop virtually any attack on a school in the future...

It may turn out this 'bad cop' was obeying direct orders from the top, that this was the policy of that school board and that Sheriff in spite of State-wide protocols that say otherwise. Only time will tell I guess.
The 2 other "off duty" security guys rushed to help, the one who died was told NOT TO enter by someone over his radio (iirc). The other guy was further away and the shooting stopped before he got into the school, so he helped a wounded student, then joined the arriving police...
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aegis1294 And guess what will happen when these "children" are of age to vote within 6 months to 2 years and "adults" still haven't listen to them?  They will vote out those "adults" in favor of ones who support their cause.  That is how they will effect change and I personally can't wait to see it happen.
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