If Jesus Was Really God, What Should He Have Said?

Submitted by: daegog 3 months ago in Misc


Ok, play nice time is over, lets get back at it.

From Freethinker's Books: Jesus certainly claimed to be God, according to the Bible. But if he was really a loving God, he would have known that, over the next 2,000 years, Christians would brutally persecute and enslave other Christians, Churches and Christian kingdoms would be ruled by corrupt leaders, some husbands would abuse their wives and children, reliable copies of the New Testament would be lost, terrible plagues would kill hundreds of millions of people, and that mental illness and many neurological disorders would be viewed by many Christians as a sin, not a disease. 

Yet he said nothing to prevent these tragedies, and gave no indication that he even knew they would happen. This video describes some of the things that Jesus should have said, if he really was loving, all-knowing God. 
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Female 5,043
If there was a god, surely he would be the god of all life on earth, so all religions are pointless? It's not like he would create some thing, and not others, or create everything and then say, nah, didn't like them, they can all fuck off. And if there was a god, he/she would have to be the most irresponsible deity you can imagine, letting his/her creation get into so much shit and suffer so much just seemingly for her/his own amusement? thats messed up. In the words of the great Ozzy Osborne...."god is dead" not that it was ever a thing in the first place.....you may as well worship the sun, that's actually what gives us life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhhOU5FUPBE
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Male 533
Hmm, so I'm atheist, so I comment on this from the outside.  I also only watched the first 51 seconds of the video so I reckon that makes me an expert.

With that being said, I believe the entire premise of God's creation of man, and what separated him from the beasts and the angels, was free will.  God couldn't have created man and then ruled with an iron hand or removed the ability for man to do wrong.  As I see it religion is just fine as a guiding principle providing you don't take it too far or use it selectively.  I think, as with all doctrines, it needs to be used in context with current times and situations.

The problem is when bad people, greedy people, weak people and mad people adopt religion to fit their view of how the world should be.  Very few of the most extreme religious figures actually adhere to all aspects of their given faith, but tend to selectively focus on certain aspects to the detriment of others.  Religion used as a tool to elevate one person or people above another is flawed.  Most religions fundamentally and broadly state that you should love thy neighbour and be kind to strangers and not do bad things.

What really goes wrong is when religion becomes politics.  Crusades, Inquisitions, holy wars are all in reality just political distractions to distract, maintain, expand or solidify political power.  Religion unfortunately can generate a sense of righteousness and this in turn can lead to entitlement and a feeling of superiority over others.

None of these things are particularly desirable conditions and tend to lead to conflict and discord.  Pitting your followers against another group of people creates an artificial sense of 'us' and by definition for there to be an 'us' there must be a 'them'.  If there is a 'them' then they are different, outside and wrong.

This is where misuse of religion steers us into trouble - it ceases to be about walking down the street and caring for those that have less than you, respecting your neighbours and being 'morally responsible' (none of which you actually need to be religious to do by the way).  It becomes a geopolitical tool wielded by nation states to highlight differences in culture and label them right or wrong.  Religion should be personal, it should be between you and your god.  It should be about how you live your life, not about how other lead theirs.
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Female 5,043
wibble4321 I particularly enjoyed this bit "I also only watched the first 51 seconds of the video so I reckon that makes me an expert." lol. I didn't watch any of it, and I am also an expert.
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Male 500
Doesn't take too long into the video that already shows he did little homework on the issue.
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Male 2,315
thatjimguy   So in just a few words tell us what quotes are wrong and why. NO need to prove all of it false just a few points would help.
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Male 500
casaledana The fruits test is way off. Just because people call themselves followers doesn't mean they follow. Those acts are the cause of politics and power using religion.
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Male 5,889
casaledana Now that would be a useful starting point, instead of these vague general dismissals.
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Male 10,797
thatjimguy percisely
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior "percisely"... SOOO much irony.
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Male 10,797
daegog the ignorance of the video's author is painfully obvious.  If what they're saying tickles your ear, you might want to be mindful of perishing.
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior lol.. went right over your head didn't it lol.  Someone will explain it to ya.
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Male 10,797
daegog are you saying you're one of those 'freethinkers' too?
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior Your question is apropos of nothing.  I have no idea what you think a 'freethinker' is, care to share?
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Male 10,797
daegog read the write up for the post ^^^^^
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior Im not sure what part of that anyone can disagree with.  Christians have enslaved people right?  Plagues have cost the lives of millions right?  Husbands beat their wives, mental illness is not a sin, where are you finding fault exactly?
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Male 10,797
daegog What is so difficult about the sins of the world that you can't understand it causes much suffering?  God has made it clear that it is the result of our choice to be sinful and wicked, rejecting His saving word.
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Male 1,919
Any god cannot be Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent; and still care about every creature on earth.
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Male 10,797
lockner01 that's simply an argument from your own ignorance of the issue, as we previously discussed regarding the failed 'problem of evil' which fails also due to ignorance.  If it's the best you have, you really have nothing you know, right?
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Male 1,919
monkwarrior I don't accept the premise of your argument though.
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Male 10,797
lockner01 Well no wonder, you've ignored the reality of the situation in favor of poor arguments.
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Male 10,797
The claim "Christianity has been plagued by problems" is nothing but a grasp at straws. Jesus did know of the problems this world would face, and warned us of them

The claim "Christianity has born a lot of very bad fruit" is a pessimistic argument from ignorance, as there is far more good fruit.

Christ didn't have to say anything about the 'catastrophic failures of Christianity' because there aren't any (only in this author's mind and the others of similar unlearned mindsets).  Jesus did say that people would be hated for his name's sake (as the author is hating on Christianity, in Christ's name, through ignorance).  

Need proof for his further ignorance "nor did he give any commands that would have avoided these (in the author's mind) failures".  He most certainly did: Jesus command us to "love one another".

Further proof: A true Christian doesn't commit atrocities in the name of Christ, the true Christian.  Christ didn't commit any atrocities, so anyone who claims to be Christian then commits atrocities, like say Hitler, isn't really Christian, as you can tell them by the fruits they bear.

The author says he should have said "You shall not persecute anyone because of what they believe about me" - a statement of ignorance as Christ commanded "Love one another", which includes that.

I made it to around 3:30 before the ignorance of this author made it clear this is just another video by an unlearned person who doesn't understand the depth of scripture, the meat, which is to 1) learn to have faith in God, and 2) love one another.  

"freethinkers" are becoming more ignorant in this day and age, and it's people like this video author who are helping the ignorance grow, much to their own peril and the peril to others.
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior Ya know that sounds an awful lot like the gun nuts.  You say Hitler was not a christian because he committed atrocities.  Well could he have been a christian before he committed the atrocities?  At what point did he lose his christian card?

We both agree that christian's sin, the extent of the sin is not for us to judge right?  Do all christians become ex-christians at the moment they sin?  I find your arguements tend to struggle greatly when any actual examination is put to them (and im certain im not the only one that thinks that), but lets see your thoughts here.
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Male 10,797
daegog He likely claimed to be Christian to get politics to side with him to get elected, but many of his words and actions after that showed us clearly how He is.  things like (parahprashing) "Christianity is the most evil thing ever" not to mention killing people.

I was simply pointing out the stupidity in the first 3.5 minutes or so of this video.  Everyone sins, but some christians are only christian in self-declaration only, however as Jesus said, you will know them by their fruit. Christ has the say over who is truly Christian or not.
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Male 2,315
monkwarrior   Yes "love one another" but then creates a race that has the capacity to hate and kill for no other reason then not believing in the right God. 
  A god that see's all and knows all but let this happen.
  If your god really existed he would be either a masochist or indifferent.
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Male 10,797
casaledana another person who doesn't understand God's word, and the lessons he has taught us about the situation regarding sin on this earth.  You can bet your life God exists, so you would do well to understand the reality of the situation, and God.
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Male 5,889
monkwarrior Let me try to understand you here, you think christian women that are getting physically abused should remain with their husbands and continue to get the shit kicked out of them?  The bible does not allow for women to leave/divorce their husbands because of black eyes and broken bones.

And this in no way reflects a lack of foresight on Jesus' part?

Is this a correct assessment?
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Male 10,797
daegog why not go study some verses and get back to me on what you think should be done.  It's pretty clear.
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Male 2,315
monkwarrior    I'm sorry you think common decent behavior  is the work of god, and I'v been threatened with the consequences of laughing you off by people with scarier gods then yours and I'm still waiting.
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Male 10,797
casaledana I'm sorry you want to refuse God's word.  But don't worry, God does the proving, and you'll get your chance at fearing Him, like everyone else.  
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Male 82
"If jesus was really god"!! What a moronic statement xD
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Male 42,981
Jesus would rise from the cave and say "YOLO !"


TA DAH!

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Male 276
Jesus IS God and he TOLD US that WE ARE ALL GOD TOO! Fuckin' A everyone is obsessed with Christianity and NO ONE EVER READS IT! 
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Male 42,981
moldysod   Not true.  Atheists study christianity..... that's what makes them atheists
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Female 5,043
Gerry1of1 I've got several books on greek myths and legends that make more sense than the bible...
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Male 42,981
emmettyville    Hera! Hera!  Good reply.
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Male 4,022
you people know there are other religions right? why are you so obsessed with this jesus guy?
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Male 12,053
robthelurker There are thousands of religions and gods, but the only right one is the one I happened to be raised in. Lucky coincidence for me.
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Male 4,022
holygod people can have a change of faith. people can be raised in one religion and then choose another later in life. 

there are also hundreds of sports teams, but often ones favourite comes from their hometown. lucky coincidence? and dont tell me this isnt a fair comparison, people worship sports.

There are thousands of religions and gods, so why do you seem to exclusively focus on bashing christians?
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Male 5,889
holygod When did you convert to Islam? :P
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Male 12,053
daegog After the "creeping sharia" I kept reading about.
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Male 4,022
daegog because the only other religion besides christianity is islam?
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Male 12,053
robthelurker I maintain that any god outside of almighty Zeus is a false god.
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Male 4,022
holygod well thats not fair, what about the rest of the greek pantheon of gods? poseidon is a fake god? good luck trying to get across the ocean with out a proper sacrifice.
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Male 5,889
robthelurker Well if you are keeping score, the Team Abraham is certainly winning.  Which version of it, meh, perhaps less important, at least to me.
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Male 4,022
daegog also, my bad, i thought the question about converting to islam was directed at me. there are a few replies between you myself and hg in this post and i got confused. didnt mean to just jump in there.
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Male 4,022
daegog what?
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Male 12,053
robthelurker Muslims, Christians, and Jews are worshipping the same god, the god of Abraham. Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, etc are all the same name for the same entity with varying stories and addendums.
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Male 4,022
holygod yeah, that i know. so daegog is just lumping all the religions that worship the same god together? that would be nice, i would have loved to have had a bar mitzvah when i was 12 or 13.
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Male 558
This makes it easy to wear that WWJD bracelet.  If you can prevent a tragedy, do nothing; just like J - boy.
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Male 9,046
The Question that is raised from a discussion like this is: God is either All Powerful all knowing or He's a Loving God.  He's clearly not both.
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Male 9,046
christopher_bourne And if we have no free will, then why are we being held to account for our actions?  Bleak indeed.
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Male 12,053
normalfreak2 Gotta split it into 3. Omnipotent, omniscient, and loving. He can be any 2, just not all 3.
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Male 9,046
holygod Okay I like that. I agree.
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Male 12,053
normalfreak2 The question that is raised from a discussion like this is how many comments will you know who make once he discovers it? 100? 200?
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Male 7,674
normalfreak2 That's a very large question,  theologians have worked at it for centuries with not much to show.  Built a whole field of study just for that.  Got nowhere.  The concept of a benevolent creator is not compatible with the reality of our world. 
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Male 9,046
LordJim The more I learn about the Universe and observe reality by being alive, the more I agree with your final sentance.
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He should have answered Jobe's question without a bullshit answer
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Male 7,674
dm2754 And at the end,  yeah I killed your wife and kids but I'm giving you new ones.  That's how human relationships work,  right? 
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Male 16,967
Be excellent to each other
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Male 4,022
kalron27 "What is the meaning of life?" "Every rose, has it's thorn. Just like every night has its dawn." "Just like every cowboy, sings a sad, sad song."
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Male 12,053
This seems like it is just going to turn into an echo chamber of like-minded godless liberals.

I always think it interesting to see where people draw the lines in their own beliefs. If you're game, reply to this with one of three options and then an explanation if you feel like it.

LITERAL
You take every word of the bible as what literally happened.

FIGURITIVE
The bible is still the word of god or guided by god but it's stories are allegories to teach.

GOOD MYTHOLOGY
The bible is a collection of stories and myths passed down over generations and created entirely by man, but the messages are positive and are of benefit to humanity.

BAD MYTHOLOGY
The bible is a collection of stories and myths passed down over generations and created entirely by man, and the messages are negative and are a detriment to humanity.
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Male 4,848
christopher_bourne "Soon to be deleted..."

By you...not a mod...
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christopher_bourne one less inane comment from a deranged [deleted personal attack] to read.
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Male 886
christopher_bourne So a child getting abducted, violently raped and then strangled is part of humanity's path to greater good? It's part of god's plan?

You see, when absolutely despicable things happen in this world people do question the concept of a compassionate, all seeing all powerful god because quite frankly the idea stacks up as complete nonsense against the harsh realities of this little blue dot we all live on. 

Note for context

This was a reply to Christopher_bourne's deleted post where he posited that bad things may be part of god's plan for humanity's path to greatness. I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist. 
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christopher_bourne You didn't really address my point but I can see why anyone with religious faith would be disturbed by such questions and essentially avoid them.
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christopher_bourne Now that I know your personal position a little more your original reply is clearer. 

The point I wanted to make was really directed more at people who follow a specific faith and god, who claim to know gods will, powers and morality. It interests me how they can align such faith with some of the evil goings on we see on our little planet. 
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christopher_bourne if you want to avoid contact with humans, [deleted personal attack].
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Male 4,022
holygod why cant it be both good and bad mythology? some of the stories can be good... like... i dont know ive never read any version of the fucking thing and i dont plan to, but im sure there are some good stories.
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Male 12,053
robthelurker You've really never read it? I've read it a couple times. Some crazy crazy shit. 

I was talking more in terms of net value. Overall is it more good, or more bad? I mean it tells you to turn the other cheek, but it also tells you to offer your virgin daughters to a mob to be gang raped. Tough call.
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Male 4,022
holygod it also tells you to build a boat and gather two of every animals when it starts raining. at least thats what i took away from noahs ark, always be prepared. hey wait a minute thats not bad, i just discovered a decent analogy for noahs ark. always be prepared, because you never know when god is going to say fuck it and just drown everyone and start over.
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Male 12,053
robthelurker Nope. Rainbows.
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Male 4,022
holygod noahs ark is an allegory for rainbows or god just wanted to make some pretty rainbows happen and got carried away?
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Male 12,053
robthelurker After the flood he sent a rainbow to show us he would never do it again. Hence the "nope" to him saying fuck it and drowning us all again. He has to come up with a new way to kill everyone because of rainbows.
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holygod pfft, he is god. if he wants to can be like fuck the rainbows, im going to drown you all again because IM GOD BITCHES! you really have read the bible havent you. all this knowledge about rainbows and shit. was it really worth the read?
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Male 5,889
holygod Now now, be fair, tell the whole story! No fake news!

If you are referring to that poor bastard Lot, then offering the girls to the mob for rape was ONLY to save the angels!  (bad wing day i guess?)

AND If they did get raped, then the rapist would have to marry them and pay the father 13.25 cents. So he's go that going for him.
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daegog It was to save the angels, yes, but he didn't know they were angels. It's a good thing the mob declined his daughters (imagine how ugly they must have been) because then he got to cave bang them later.
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christopher_bourne go put on a tinfoil hat, you [deleted personal attack].
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holygod As a proper apostate, I of course choose to see the bible as the literal word of god.

The other three are entirely too speculative to even discuss with any rigor.  Example, take the story about Baluum and the Donkey.  If you say something to the effect of "What that is trying to teach us is..." NOPE, Stop right there, cause everything this point is entirely made up.
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Male 4,022
daegog "I of course choose to see the bible as the literal word of god." but... why?
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Male 12,053
robthelurker He's being sarcastic.
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Male 5,889
robthelurker Because if it is not the word of god, it is rather meaningless.  How could I be an apostate in that case?
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daegog "Because if it is not the word of god, it is rather meaningless." you know batman isnt real right? there never was a rich millionaire dressing up like a bat fighting crime. batman isnt real, but it doesnt make the stories about him any less meaningful. "How could I be an apostate in that case?" well, holygod says you were being sarcastic. but i didnt know, its your choices and your beliefs, i dont know how someone who considers themselves an apostate thinks. i was raised christian, i was baptized as an infant, i was forced to go to sunday school when i was a kid, i even sang in the church choir. despite all that, i do not consider myself a christian, but in no fucking way do i consider myself an apostate either. i have no reason to renounce the christian religious beliefs, because i never truly believed in them. i believe in the possibility of gods, i believe in the possibility of alternate dimensions, i believe in science, i believe in faith (you gotta have faith, fred durst george michael). holygod said you were being sarcastic, clearly it went over my head, so there is a chance all of this is pointless, but oh well.
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robthelurker I have heard that batman analogy before and I would say yes it is meaningless (in a strictly spiritual sense) because whatever batman does or doesn't do has no effect on my life.

I take the apostate position because it is the only interesting one left.  Theism and Atheism are mostly dead ends.  So i start at the premise, god is real and the bible is his literal word.  Then i categorically reject his notions of what is right and how I must live.

It is my position that god is real and he is psycho.  Should I reach those pearly gates ever guarded by old st. peter, it is my intention to call god to the carpet and demand he explain his actions over these millennia.  Now, I'm not entirely sure how this is gonna work out for me, but its a plan lol.
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daegog its not all about you! the point was batman has an effect on peoples lives. who said you were important? yo mama? yo mama was a liar!

why do you need to take a position?

"It is my position that god is real and he is psycho." please tell me youve read the preacher graphic novels, if you havent, please at least check them out. i think you will identify with the main character jesse custer.

"Should I reach those pearly gates ever guarded by old st. peter, it is my intention to call god to the carpet and demand he explain his actions over these millennia." if youre right, you really think youre gonna be the first one to do so? and besides, what explanation does god owe us?
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robthelurker No, I never said it was all about me, I'm simply primarily concerned about my viewpoint, not changing others.

Cocaine, Bacon and Justin Bieber have all had effects on peoples lives, that doesn't give them spiritual significance, at least for me.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice :P

I have tried to read the preacher a few times, just didn't grab enough to bother with it.  i did like Clive Barker's New Testament, I thought that was an a fun take on religion.

I have no idea what other people do when they die, perhaps they all get to those pearly gates and just start sucking gods ass to get into heaven?  Perhaps the presence of god's divinity is too great for most mortals to maintain any normal sense of self?  As I said, it was simply a plan, not sure if I can pull it off, but that's my plan.

I dunno what explanation you think he owes YOU personally, but i know what im asking.  The true question is, can you stand in the presence of god and refute his claims of love?  Can you stand in front of holiest of holies and say: No, you are a vile and loathsome and refuse entry into heaven?  
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Male 16,967
daegog you cannot use the holy sacrament of cocaine, bacon (peace be upon him), and that person (spits) in the same sentence. It's blasphemy.
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daegog lets be clear, i have no interest in changing yours or anyones view points. this is purely a discussion, not a debate, i respect your views and beliefs. and i would not call it concern on my part, i would say its more of an interest in peoples beliefs.

as you say those things dont have spiritual significance for you, but they could very well for others.

im not talking about choosing, im talking about taking a stance, a position. this is about me personally, i do not consider myself a christian, jewish or muslim by choice, but i still believe in the possibility of the abrahamic god, what position does that mean i take? if its my choice, i dont take a position, i simply believe whatever i believe.

im glad you replied to me about this, i remembered conversations we had in the past. im sorry, i want to say again that i respect your choices and beliefs, i did not mean to sound careless. i dont know what happens when you die either, but just so you know, if you are right and you get your chance to stand before the almighty and ask your question, i support you 100%.

if there is a god, i dont think he owes me anything. not a god damned thing. im going to say again one more time, not only do i respect your choices and beliefs, i support them. but, i mean no disrespect when i say this, i dont know what your question is, but i do not think it is god who owes you an answer.
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robthelurker 

Well he is god, so im not really expecting one.  Being an immortal psychopath tends to put you on a plane were answering mere mortals is probably not high on your list of things to do.

Doesn't mean I wont ask tho :P  If it is my lot to burn for eternity, then I prefer to go to hell the way I want to.

Doesn't matter much tho, I have been dead twice already (seriously they brought me back tho, second time was a rather close thing if the doctor was to be believed), I saw no light, no nothing.  Pretty sure death just means game over, but who knows.
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holygod I tend toward the last option,  although some bits are quite good.  However,  my bible is KJV and the prose may flatter the original.  I don't know,  I don't read Greek and my Latin is rudimentary these days. 
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Present day Christianity Is Uncomparable to the original concept.

For a start christians originally believed in reincarnation, with the few that became one with God going to heaven, and those that don't being reborn. The idea of "you only have one shot to get to heaven, fail and go to hell" was introduced as a means to control the masses

The bibles translation from Hebrew to Latin to English has distorted understanding of its concepts

over the centuries the Vatican has hand picked Christian values/beleifs/story's to fit the narrative they teach. A great example being the book of Enoch being declared heracy and banned from being taught because they didn't want people knowing the truth (the stories are still included in Judaism/islam) the book of Enoch comes before Genesis and tells of the time before the great flood. It's facinating.

Jesus's teachings were much more similar to Gnostisism than the hierarchy involved in the church. 

Jesus wasn't God, he was "a son of God" and taught that everyone was a son or daughter of God, you just have to come to realise it.

And finally, Jesus Christ wasn't even called Jesus Christ. His last name would have roughly translated to "fish"
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Male 4,848
layla_wilson His name was Yeshua or Joshua in modern translation...or as I like to call him...Just Josh :)
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layla_wilson  The bibles translation from Hebrew to Latin to English

Hebrew?  Fish?   No. If you wish to present yourself as a scholar then you need to do a lot more homework. 
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LordJim the Old Testament was written in Hebrew before Jesus was born...

Christ wasn't his last name, it's a modern day translation of "anointed one". His original name was a rough translation of fish.
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layla_wilson We are discussing Christianity? Yes? So the language of the OT is not relevant ( and also not Hebrew )  Of course Christ wasn't his last name. It would been the equivalent of Ben Joseph.  How on earth do you get fish from that? I suspect you may have been confused by the Ichthys. A very different thing.  And I would like to see some citations on the reincarnation thing.


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LordJim the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, by Israelites being held captive in Babylon. The reason it matters is when something is translated, the meaning of words can vary and lead to misinterpretation.

I learnt about Jesus's fish name from my childhood best friends dad(who was the local minister) I can't fully remember how he came to that conclusion so I won't argue that point further.

As for the reincarnation, http://www.epubs.utah.edu/index.php/historia/article/download/578/448/0

Hope that explains it.
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layla_wilson I think our conversation is over.  I understand and I wish you well. 
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Not much point in posting to this, but I will anyway.  Some itches need to be scratched.

Jesus didn't form Christianity.  Christianity was created by men, trying to do what the believed was right.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and forming a religion is no different than any other good intention.

Anyone who knew the physical person was dead for several hundred years before the documents that were hand picked centuries later by a select few to form the testaments.  Bad translations, cherry picking documents, dependency upon oral histories, revisionist interpretation, and simple human nature all add up to a wobbly foundation to build the Bride of Christ.

I have no general issues with the Christian faith.  I have substantial issues with how the various Christian religions, as Man's attempt to create a religion based on the faith, have rolled out.

There is no point in considering the physical person - we have no information that has not been filtered by a thousand minds. 

The Jesus of the teachings is not, and cannot be, the same person as the one that physically existed.  Moreover, that person isn't important.  The Jesus that is believed in, in all those different forms, is the only one that matters.

Gods are created and limited by the belief of those people that believe in them.  
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Male 4,848
punko "Jesus didn't form Christianity.  Christianity was created by men, trying to do what the believed was right."

More over, what we know as Christianity was created by a government (Romans) as a State Religion to control the people who were increasingly losing faith in the system.  Smart move by Constantine and it is still used to control the people today.
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Male 12,053
punko I just like that we europopeans and americans took the idea of a man born in the middle east and made him a blue-eyed white guy.
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holygod ehm, you do realise many afghanis/Pakistanis/Iranians ect are pale skinned, blue eyed and some have blonde hair right?


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Male 12,053
layla_wilson You mean currently? Because of migration, imperialism, war, trade, and the crusades?

I don't believe that was the case 2,000 years ago.

Sorta like saying well there are black and asian americans. Ya. There are. There weren't 2,000 years ago.
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holygod no, not from migration of Europeans. 2000 years ago, Persia/mesopotamia had many pale skinned inhabitants... Native Americans and the indigenous Canadians are distant relatives of people originating from Asia, so I would argued that 2000 years ago thre were Asian Americans. 

Ever heard of the term "Aryan" ? The blonde haired, blue eyed people hitler believed were the superior race? Originated in ancient Persia....

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Male 5,889
layla_wilson Jesus was the color of Burnt Bronze.  A bit darker than obama for a point of reference.  He even had a nappy white afro (which sounds more than a bit amusing considering all the imagery that is normally associated with him).
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Male 4,949
holygod Racist.
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Male 4,848
LordJim Excellent video, seriously, thanks for sharing that :)
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Male 12,053
LordJim No problem with rape. No problem with assault. No problem with incest. No problem with pedophelia. No problem with slavery.

Just make sure you don't say his name in a mean way or work on Saturday.
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Male 4,949
You will know them by their Fruits. Yep.
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Male 779
If a man is only good because there is a reward at the end... Then he probably wasn't that good to begin with.
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Male 16,967
profworm if modern religion has taught us only one thing, it is you only get to heaven if you gave more than you could afford so the preacher can buy a new private jet.
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Male 7,674
profworm True. 
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Male 42,981
profworm    Like being a good christian only because you get to heaven in the end.  ?
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Male 42,981
I'm not sure what Jesus would say, but His Twitter would say "You have 12 followers"
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Male 16,967
Gerry1of1 and one of them just dropped a dime on you
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