Denmark Is Poised To Ban Islamic Full-Face Veils

Submitted by: trimble 3 months ago in News & Politics


"It is incompatible with the values of the Danish society or the respect for the community to keep the face hidden when meeting each other in the public space," Justice Minister Justice Soren Pape Poulsen said.

An excerpt from The Independent:

The Danish government is poised to become the next European country to introduce a ban on Islamic full-face coverings in public places.

The government said it planned to fine people who wore items including the burqa and the niqab which are worn by some Muslim women.

Under the proposals anyone found covering their face would be fined 1,000 kroner (£120), or up to 10,000 kroner (£1,200) if they are repeatedly caught.
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Male 475
Technically, the proposal is not to ban islamic veils. Discrimnating against someone because of their religion is banned by the danish constitution.

The proposed law is, like the french and austrian laws, to ban people from covering their faces in public unless they have a creditable reason for the cover. Examples is cold weather and stuff like that.

The proposed law would leave it up to the police to determine if a reason is creditable, which again means the their assesment could be contested in court and later be overturned, making the police a laughing stock.

So naturally the police union, most sensible politicians and other public commentators are against the proposal, even some of the politicians in the danish government, who made the proposal, said they cant back the proposal.

It's a probably only 40% chance that the proposal will be made into law. Which I hope it wont.

Else I can't wear my Ninja outfit in public anymore....
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Male 7,248
wolladude Wolladude, are you from Denmark?
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Male 475
squrlz4ever Yup, I'm from denmark :)
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Male 7,248
wolladude Wonderful to hear we have at least one Dane onboard. Copenhagen is a beautiful city.
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Male 1,709
squrlz4ever You never heard of the massive Brotherhood of Danish Ninja?
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Male 613
Frankly, multiculturalism can pull the world two ways. I don't see a positive in wearing that, but I see a lot of risk and unnecessary paranoia out of it. So, sometimes people need a swift kick. Ban it, it's useless and counterproductive and the opposite of bridge-building. 
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Male 1,078
Shit, don't let "Feel the Burn" know this one. That guy use to claim the US needed to be more like Denmark in every way, shape and form.
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Male 42,934
But there is NO PROBLEMS with Muslim extremists in Europe, some IAB geniuses members informed me of that!
They ought to know eh?
These same members lectured a person living IN Sweden on how life was IN Sweden... from their US and other far-flung locations. Because a Swede has NO idea what's happening in his own city or nation, only IAB geniuses progressive leftists do!
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Male 7,248
5cats You just love to provoke arguments, don't you? Practically every other comment you make is a sneer directed at about half of the IAB community.
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Male 42,934
squrlz4ever Lies.
Lies.
Have you no shame?
Oh right, you don't have any shame. You accused certain IAB members of HORRIBLE CRIMES based on... YOUR imagination!!! Backed up by nothing but... your lies!
And when other IBA members believe your fabrications? You are silent! You deliberately request they phone the police based on you fantasies, which is a crime BTW.
I don't care if you've "apologised" for that crime, you STILL DID IT. And you STILL REFUSE to correct it when others repeat that lie.
When other IAB members disputed your false claims? You rejected or simply ignored them. You are unworthy.
It pains me to read your SHIT. 
Please go fuck off and fuck yourself. Stop stalking and trolling me. You are not worthy of reading and guess what? I don't! But this one showed up on the "replied to" list and I unfortunately read it.

What do I see upon reading ONE of your trolling shit-posts?
MORE LIES!
MORE BULLSHIT!
MORE HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See how many ! you put into your hate? That's is all you have. hate with a bunch of !!!!! after it. Hint: you have nothing.

Not my problem, you are scum and can just go and die for all I care. Please do so, in fact! The world would be a better place without you.
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Male 5,118
5cats you are precious.
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Male 6,185
5cats Dude, seriously call your doctor. Your medication is screwed up again.
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Male 613
5cats so basically you want "liberals" to die. Interesting. Must be awful living in that pool of hate. Your own doing, bubba. 
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Male 42,934
bearbear01 No, just the bad liberals... oh wait that's pretty much all of them :-)
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Male 5,118
5cats your side rulezzz #emails
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Male 613
5cats take a seat then. Liberals, organic foot and yoga, you know. Ommmmm... Plus you're entertaining so less stress too. 
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Male 12
5cats i agree with you completely, liberals are scum
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Male 5,118
did they take your jerb
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Male 7,248
5cats LOL! Wow.  O.O
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Female 4,979
Ban that shit Denmark!
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Male 7,248
emmettyville I like how you speak your mind.

I think the ban might be the right course of action. I'm leaning in that direction. I find the argument made by its supporters--that public spaces in Western societies operate on a level of openness, trust, accountability, and respect, all of which are at odds with the niqab--compelling.

I think this issue is at the cutting edge of the clash between Islamic fundamentalism and western culture. I'll be following it closely.

Countries that have passed laws banning the niqab or burqa already include the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Norway, Germany, and Austria.

For what it's worth, I once knew a woman who wore a niqab and an abaya (a loose black garment that covers the body). She was a nice person, older and unmarried. She chose to wear the garments because she wanted her physical form to be completely removed from the male gaze, with the idea being that she could live a life more focused on spirit and actions than appearances.

I can appreciate her view and the idea of her being forbidden by the government from making this life choice isn't pleasant.
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Female 4,979
squrlz4ever what kind of insane religion demands that women be hidden and have virtually no rights? not that 99% of other religions are any better than islam...
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Male 7,248
emmettyville Do you think New Zealand will ban the niqab and burka? I don't think it will happen in the U.S.; the regard for diversity here is so strong that it often goes overboard.
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Female 4,979
squrlz4ever I've never seen anyone wearing them. You might see headscarves, in Auckland, which is where 95% of immigrants to NZ end up living, or refugees....but no where else. I don't think there are that many Muslims living here? I'll check....about 50,000. Most of those would live in Auckland. In groups I suspect. I think there are a few mosques, but these would be pretty tame muslims, not extremists by any measure.
The thing you have to remember about NZ is it's really far away from anywhere- you cant just turn up or cross the boarder or come on a boat, it's too far. You only get here by plane, and you'd have to come through customs and have money to get here, and have visas and stuff to stay.This is not a place where a massive amount of Muslims just turn up and stay.
If you do get refugee status, we look after you really well, but the process of application is difficult and lengthy, and immigration here is difficult, so most dodgy people get weeded out pretty quickly.
I don't think we would ever "ban the burka" as such, we seem to be pretty good at respecting human rights, and even if it is silly, it's still a religious practice that needs to be respected.
But I fully support Europe in coming down hard on Muslims, honestly, another 20 years and that place will be a muslim state, and that is a very very very scary thought.
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Male 7,248
emmettyville Interesting observations; thanks.

Here is an article on the Muslim population in Europe, for anyone who's interested. In the U.S., Muslims account for just 1.1% of the total population.
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Male 42,611
I have no problem with this.  Religions are often regulated by the government. No blood sacrifices. No marrying 12 year-olds.  So if a religion oppresses 50% of it's population, then sure, regulate it.
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Male 545
Gerry1of1 Problem with this policy is it is fighting oppression with oppression. That typically doesn't end well (not implying violence, though). 
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Male 42,934
mrsnowmeiser Multiple wives are part of both Islam and Mormons... can either have them in the USA?
No?
Then you advocate fighting oppression with oppression, dude.
Now let us move along to Female Genital Mutilation... no ok? Just no.
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Male 545
5cats I actually don't advocate against polygamy. I think it's completely acceptable. We evolved over hundreds of thousands of years in an open sexual atmosphere. Monogamy is a new human phenomenon and I don't pretend to believe it's for everyone. 
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Male 42,611
mrsnowmeiser    Denying men from enslaving their women is not "oppression".
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Male 545
Gerry1of1 Again, I agree that women wearing that clothing is oppression, but at the end of the day, you are depriving women of wearing an article of clothing, which is pretty ridiculous. 

Not sure how many Muslims you know, but several of the women who use to wear them that I knew, weren't wearing them due to men. It's a social/religious thing, as well. Some (perhaps many) men do force their wives to wear that clothing, but not all. 
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Male 42,611
mrsnowmeiser     It is not an article of clothing, it is the uniform of oppression.  Banning them is a small step to freeing women, but one step at a time.
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Male 545
Gerry1of1 I'm baffled by your claim they they aren't articles of clothing.

clothes
klō(T͟H)z/
noun
  1. 1.
  2. items worn to cover the body.
  3. "he stripped off his clothes"
  4. synonyms: | clothing, garments, attire, garb, dress, wear, costume; More
  5. 2.
  6. bedclothes.

They can be both articles of clothing and uniforms of oppression. I agree they are both. But facing reality is necessary: you are fighting one form of oppression with another form of oppression. 
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Male 42,611
mrsnowmeiser   Mandatory clothing required by regulation is a "uniform".   In this case it is also a symbol of opression.   
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Male 1,709
Gerry1of1 It is from their perspective.
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Male 42,611
squidbush   When you move to a new country it is for You to adapt to it's mores, not for the new land to adapt to yours.  
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Male 552
I find it very interesting (and telling) that Fancy et al., have yet to post anything regarding the memo showing treasonous behavior that has been perpetrated by Obama, Hillary, Comey, Page, Strzok...
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Male 42,934
dkm458 I haven't been bothered to offer it up. The same shit-for-brains leftists would trot out the same DNC-sanctioned lies and throw shit at me.
Just like every other time the truth wasn't convenient for their leftist lies...

For the uninformed: multiple LEGAL (not 'anonymous leaks' which the MSM fully supported until just last week) releases of congressional investigation reports have clearly vindicated Trump, clearly found Hillary and the DNC in collusion with the Russians AND they used the FBI and State Department as weapons in the election. And more!

Here's three links, I have about 10 more...
https://pjmedia.com/video/nunes-democratic-party-hillary-clinton-campaign-colluded-russians/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2018/01/30/did-the-fbi-vouch-for-the-crazy-russian-deal-from-the-steele-dossier/#162554e1930c

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-other-secret-dossier/article/2011477

It is highly likely that Hillary's henchmen FED Steele the 'Russian information' and he just rubber-stamped it to make a fast buck.
But no one would touch that bullshit & gossip with a 10' pole.
Until Hillary supporters in the FBI used it as 'evidence' to (get this!) WIRETAP TRUMP's campaign (just like Trump said!) and completely failed to mention that it was entirely funded (at that point) by Hillary and the DNC...
And a whole lot more too... just in 2 little reports, a few pages each, wait until the big cannons start roaring :-)

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Male 552
5cats Same reason why I haven't tried to post anything about it until now.
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Male 42,934
dkm458 Did you see the one I put up about Trump? look at the reception that got: exactly as predicted.
They don't even see the irony...
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Male 6,185
5cats The uber-partisan political pundits you listen to make a living getting people like you riled up with beefed up scandals, and when the FBI’s conclusions don’t jibe with the bullshit you’ve been fed, you think the FBI are being partisan when in fact it is you and your sources who are the ones who are partisan.
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Male 42,934
markust123 Blah Blah attack the source blah blah...

I look at the facts and they are clear: some people in the FBI were hyper-partisan Hillary supporters who were SO BADLY biased they eventually got kicked off their assignments. You deny this?
They tried very hard to cover it all up, just like Hillary did, and still managed to get caught red handed... just like Hillary did!

They violated rules and laws to use the FBI to attack a political campaign during an election and continue to do so afterwards to try to overthrow their own government.
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Male 6,185
5cats Yes I attack the source when it’s not credible. Don’t you get sick of your hysteria never matching what comes out of the investigations? 
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Male 552
markust123 figures don't lie, but liars figure.
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Male 42,934
markust123 The facts remain, or is Congress part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" too?
Funny, I was right about tons of things in the past, am sometimes wrong too, but seriously I'm not tired of winning yet :-)
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Male 5,118
5cats my goodness, the pills arent working, try some weed dude. life is too short to be that tightly wound-up
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Male 7,248
dkm458 Like others on here, I have no idea to what you're referring. I'm guessing it's some nugget of propaganda spun by the far right. Since you've cross-posted this comment of yours beneath multiple non-political posts, it appears to be very important to you.

Care to explain what it is you're talking about? Do you have a link?
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Male 6,185
dkm458 I think I may have found it. Are you talking about the rantings of Mark Levin last week? Talk to us when you have a credible source. If what he is spewing was true there would be twenty investigations opened.
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Male 6,185
dkm458 What are you talking about treasonous behavior? I can't find anything when I do a search. Don't even respond if it's InfoWars or Breitbart.
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Male 42,611
dkm458      I think you're listening to too much talk radio .
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Male 12,019
dkm458 Did you actually read it? Or you're just regurgitating what fox news came down your throat?
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Male 477
dkm458 You copy and pasted this into seven different posts. WTF!!!!!!! If your that eager to talk about it go and make your own site and call it.......I don't know....how bout I-Am-Bored so lets talk about fucking politics all fucking day. I'm sure you will have plenty of subscribers. :p
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Male 477
dkm458 This site is called I am bored right!!!!! Do we really have to bring politics into everything for goodness sake. I come here to get away from all that crap. Not trying to be a dick, just saying. I know I'm new here but I seem to see a lot of the comments break down into political back and forth bullshit. I'm not saying that I don't want to talk about politics, but can we wait until at least there is a relative post about said memo. Good day sir.
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Male 42,934
rukittenme Sorry dude, politics is a basic staple here at IAB. Fighting about it I mean :-)
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Male 4,893
dkm458 They will have to come to grips with it sooner or later. Not a lot of coverage on most media right now but there will be soon.
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Male 12,019
trimble With what? What did you find so damning? All I saw was examples that people disliked Trump. Anyone with a pulse and a brain dislikes Trump. He's a fucking horrific human being.
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Male 4,893
holygod I can't hear you.
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Male 12,019
trimble thank you for showcasing the totality of your knowledge on the subject.
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Male 12,019
These things make me sort of conflicted. Half of me thinks religion and religious practices are stupid. The other half thinks people should be free to be as stupid as they want to be.
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Male 396
holygod in this case "the freedom" is letting these religious men exterminate the free will of the women in their communities.
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Male 42,934
Fojos Correct. Muslim women in France, UK, and especially Sweden will face public beatings if they aren't wearing their religious garb. If the police try to arrest the men (it's always men) beating them in public? Riots, burnings and charges of racism follow...
Even in Canada and America women are beaten badly or 'honor killed' for such seemingly trivial things as taking off a headscarf in public. it still illegal here but... Sharia Law is just 1 parliamentary motion away (it has been attempted many times in Canada, for certain).
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Male 477
holygod Correct on both counts I think. Stupid is as stupid does. 
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Male 296
holygod My feeling on this subject is rather comical and has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with social custom. The "ok" hand-gesture is a positive thing in America, but in many countries it means "a**hole." In Muslim countries, it is custom to cover one's head and face, but in America, unless the temperature is below zero, you cover your face when you're about to rob a bank. I would like to be ok with this for liberty's sake, but I'll admit that I have a subtle fear-reaction of face covering of any kind. 
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Male 1,709
johndplorable We are expected to follow customs wherever we go, so why is it so wrong to expect people to follow the customs here? It just seems hypocritical the way we are expected to just let people do what the hell ever they want in the US but if we go to predominantly Islam countries, we will be punished for not strictly following their customs.
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Male 296
squidbush I agree. It’s not wrong. But America is the home of the free. I’m always mindful about laws infringing on other’s liberty. I think about this because I wonder if making me uncomfortable is enough of a reason to want something outlawed. Social custom is different than law. I have no negative reaction to any other foreign dress. Turbans, Amish dress, Hasidic Jewish dress, etc. do not affect me at all. Face coverings do. Enough so that I would be in favor of outlawing them. I’m just mindful of the implications of that. Is it as arbitrary as outlawing Uggs? I don’t know. 
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Female 5,406
johndplorable difference is you dont get stoned to death in the streets for taking your skimask off.
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Male 296
melcervini Indeed. I do disagree with these types of laws and certainly do not want to import them. We don't currently have that problem in the US. We aspire to a much higher calling: Free the Nipple.  
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Male 477
johndplorable I agree with you and holygod both. The social aspect of what they do in their country with covering the face doesn't bother me a bit. But what we do here in America is totally different. Hence the robbing the bank thing if your face is covered. Great point about the "ok" hand-gesture. I too am a little leery of anyone who has their face covered for any reason( unless it's below zero or you are sick). I guess if we all grew up with face covering the way they did we probably wouldn't feel as weird about it. Just my opinion.
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