Did This Christian Just "Disprove" Evolution?

Submitted by: fancylad 6 months ago in Lifestyle Weird


The real question here is, Would you spend 24 hours locked in the same room as these two guys ars they share their theories?

From the guy who made this video:

"There's a popular video post on Facebook right now by a guy named Joshua Feuerstein. He's apparently quite a successful preacha man. Unfortunately, his success far eclipses the merit of his ideas."  
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Male 938
I really don't understand how people can still be religious.

By all means, use it to ensure that your moral compass is aligned with the rest of society (you know, that small majority that don't need to be preached at; to know what is right or wrong! - and the Law deals with those who don't, not a superhero with a capital J on his Lycra top, wearing undies on the outside)

  • Shiny imaginary man who lives in the clouds - Some type of mushroom I imagine.
  • Walking on water - parlour trick.
  • Turning water into wine - parlour trick.
  • Getting pregnant without fucking - liar. (Or did they have turkey basters back then?)

Someone who wants to tell me what happens after death - they can only be either a liar or a fool.

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Male 67
I can't see how anyone can really argue with evolution, it really is a secular discussion. 

Evolution has been happening for hundreds of years before our eyes, except humans have been accelerating it at super speed. Maybe that's why it doesn't look like evolution?

Look at how we breed animals to select certain traits or advantages, breed plants to create resistances or improve their crop etc etc, manipulate viruses and genes, these are all examples of evolution which has been forced. And it's been going on for hundreds of years with relatively simple processes.

Is it really that much of a leap of faith that these HUGE changes that humans have made in plants and animals, could have happened naturally, on a much much smaller scale over a much much longer period of time? I don't think so.

And it certainly demonstrates that it is a credible possibility at the very least.

And remember, that is ignoring in its totality the vast scientific evidence of prehistoric evolution which seems to be a matter of dispute amongst some.

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Male 11,547
ImaginaryN Yet not a single shred of evidence backs up the stories told of what happened long before humankind's earliest writings.
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Male 67
monkwarrior but my point is you don't need to necessarily even look that  far back if you don't want to. The evidence for evolution is here right now, and is ongoing. You have to make a conscious choice to ignore it.
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Male 11,547
ImaginaryN sorry, i've seen the evolution of the internet, and many other things. But there is still no evidence for the stories and assumptions that happened long before humankind's earliest writings.  You have to make a conscious choice to stake a faith claim in it if you do, since science can't prove that at all, people can only assume it.
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Male 43,787
monkwarrior   "not a single shred"... correct. Not just one shred, there is an enormous amount of evidence.
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Male 11,547
Gerry1of1 All in the form of 'stories' and 'assumptions' that no one can prove.
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Male 43,787
monkwarrior     Yeah, those "stories" and "assumptions" are actually bones and fossils and real sciencie stuff like carbon dating and dna collection.  What would I do without you monk, you make me smile.
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Male 11,547
Gerry1of1 Bones and fossils that people found and made up 'stories' and 'assumptions' which have been found to be false on more than one occasion.  For example i remember hearing of them finding a fossil of a fish saying it was some ancient fish long extinct, and then several years later fishermen caught the same type of fish. It was a species of fish that was alive and well.
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Female 8,399
Yawn- stop giving idiots space. If you are too dim to grasp the simple process by which life on Earth gained its diversity that is YOUR problem, not mine. I blame the religious right in the US- they really do have a lot to answer for. How about the normal sensible lot of you all move to the top left hand side and leave the looneys in the bottom right? Them we can just ignore them- totally. let 'em carry on as they please. without contact with the rest of the world? Fair deal?
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Male 43,787
madduck    This is the land of Trump. We promote embrace and rejoice in idiocy.
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Male 7,948
madduck This does seem sensible.
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Male 5,027
What if everyone is wrong? 
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Male 12,258
trimble so there is a god, but it isn't one of the 3,000 gods people have worshipped?
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Male 43,787
holygod Maybe we are the creator ?  In the future they will send a big bomb back in time 14 billion years and that is the cause of the Big Bang.  We create our own creation.  The Circle Of Life
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Male 12,258
Gerry1of1 I have heard of the theory of spontaneous existence.
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Male 5,141
*YAWN*

What's happening this morning...



Nope
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Male 312
kalron27 LOL! I thought the same thing.

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Male 9,187
kalron27 Not touching the Derp Vortex.
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Male 1,105
That profound lack of understanding of what is a theory is a huge failure of the educational system through generations PLUS a successful religious brainwashing. The first generation is mistaught  by some fool. Then they have kids who are poorly thought in school and biased at home. Add to that some religious homeschooling that above all else stamps in your head the notion of righteousness and superiority of self. Then these have kids who have absolutely no chance in hell, even in a somewhat correct but weak classroom. They grew questioning, not for the sake of trying to find "the truth" but to try to defend their own familial "truth". And any progress made in school is undone at home and on Sunday.
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 So you're saying there should be more successful evolution brainwashing?  Because the reality is no one can prove the stories people today tell of what happened long before humankind's earliest writings.  Don't you think it would be unscientific to demand something is a way when there's no proof to point to it?  

The real failure is in the theory of evolution, with too many people assuming how things were long before anyone was around to observe.

Seems like you have your own sense of superiority of self with a comment like that, because here you are on the doorstep of making a faith based stake that evolution is true without question, just taking what was told to you on faith, even though you yourself can't prove it, nor anyone in the last 200 years can prove the stories evolutionsts tell of how it was long before the earliest human writings or human observation.
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Male 716
monkwarrior "Because the reality is no one can prove the stories people today tell of what happened long before humankind's earliest writings."

You mean like the Garden of Eden and fall of man from grace?

Believing you know for a fact the existence of an infinite being is the most arrogant thing someone can claim. Believing models that produce reliable predictions is reasonable.

faith=belief without evidence, and is never a good idea.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe Faith in God isn't about the Garden of Eden, faith in God is about having a relationship with God.  While you can glean a lot from the Garden of Eden to help nourish a relationship with God, the Garden of Eden is not required to have faith in God.

Don't look now but many people insisting the stories of evolution are true, when no one was around to observe it, nor was it written in our earliest writings, is simply a faith.

Yes, people have faith those stories of evolution are true.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Yeah that is unconvincing. When folks like you selectively quote the Bible to suit your rhetorical whims and dismiss other parts as unnecessary, all I see is cherry-picking.

You do not know science at all. Science builds models and tests those models. This is much more reliable than a book, whose author(s) we cannot even confirm.

Science done properly does not use faith. It builds models that predict reality. As long as the models work, we continue to use them. When they fail, we finds new ones.

In doing so we build knowledge - which is the opposite of faith. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe What you claim of what i know is simply your misguided opinion based on your own fallacies.  I know science, and in the realm of evolution, people use a lot of faith in the stories and assumptions of what people made up over the last 2 centuries, but which can't be proven, but is assumed.

That's not scientific at all.  You see, many evolutionists are so desperate to find a way to reject God, that they grasp at straws.

That's as far from science as you can get.

As for confirming the author of the Bible, you can find out who that is by studying, though it seems you are unwilling to.
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Male 716
monkwarrior If you know science then prove your claim. But you will never will....

Many theists are so desperate to reject natural selection that they will make the silliest arguments against it - and you are a prime example.

Case in point: There is no conflict about evolution. It is a fact that even theists believe: things change. We have directly observed evolution in our species' history. We have used it in the context of selective breeding to produce desired results. Evolution is a fact. Things change.

What theists disagree with scientists about is the mechanism. That is, what causes evolution? Theists believe it is magic (i.e., God), and scientists use the theory of natural selection.

So you see, you are so ignorant of not only science in general but also the basics about this issue in particular, that you do not even correctly state what the issue is. You are not even using the right words to talk about it. It's like you've never studied it at all. Other theists would probably ask you to stop, because you are making them look stupid.

I would bet that I know the bible better than you and have read it more than you. And I would pit my knowledge of it against yours in front of a panel of theists any day of the fucking week.

Dick.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe i don't have to prove anything to you.  If you want to demand that i don't work in a field of science when i do, you're only fooling yourself.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Yeah I thought so. You don't know shit, you can't demonstrate shit, and you couldn't tell shit from shinola when it comes to science.

Hey everybody I work in science!
What kind?
Hey I don't have to prove myself to you, man.

Your dialogue reads like a Cheech and Chong movie.

Your desperate attempts to deflect the questions with attempted genetically-fused simulacrums of a tu quoque and ad hominen fallacy, incorrectly applied, is so pathetic and transparent that I doubt even you believe it.

"i don't have to prove anything to you."

The whimpered pleadings of a defeated loser. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe With the juvenile way you're acting, why would you remotely expect someone to tell you personal things about themselves?

food for thought
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Male 716
monkwarrior Bah, you weren't going to tell me anyway.

Hey, food for thought: try addressing the issue for once rather than your stupid sidetracks. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe I wasn't going to tell you, because you show yourself to be a troll.  Try not trolling in the future, it makes you stupid.
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Male 716
monkwarrior You weren't going to show me because you don't have it. You suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe sorry, i made it clear, i wasn't because you've shown yourself to be a troll.
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Male 716
monkwarrior bawwk baawk chicken. That's all I hear from your scared, pansy ass. 

scared like a little chicken. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe Run along son, you're an emotional wreck.
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Male 716
monkwarrior baawwk baaawwwwk.

Don't cry too hard, monkbaby.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along buttercup
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Male 716
monkwarrior Now just calm down, son. You are getting emotional.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along buttercup
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Male 716
monkwarrior swim along fish.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe like i said, run along
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Male 716
monkwarrior I bet I can get you to have a mental breakdown. You are already cracking around the edges. I bet you sip tea at night and carve images of me into your kitchen table with a paring knife. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe good luck buttercup, run along, trolls like you are a dime a dozen, always thinking they're special, but they're not.
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Male 716
monkwarrior theists..always think they're special. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along snowflake, God's children are special, and actually are even if you think they're not.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.

Yes, you are special, that's for sure. Derp.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I will.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe then run along snowflake.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup troll
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior you poor idiot. You have no idea of what a theory is. 
This is my answer in terms that suit your thought process: "God" told me evolution is real, "my God" is real because I say so. Therefore evolution is real. Now fuck off. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 You poor soul, thinking you know what others think.  Tell you what, when you can guess a 3 digit number i'm thinking of between MIN=0 and MAX=1000 i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  Go!
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior here is your number 00100. And since you're dense, it's me giving you the middle finger. Just like God intended 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 Wrong.  The number was 007
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior nope. That not what God told me. You're wrong. God said so. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 Sorry, that was the number i was thinking when i wrote that.  Looks like you lost.  You used 5 digits instead of 3 too.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior I don't know how to break the news to you, but you're saying one thing and God is telling me otherwise. Why should I believe you when God is telling me otherwise. You're wrong. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 Sorry, looks like you're getting desperate now.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you are desperate
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 there there, cupcake
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you're the cupcake 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 of course, cupcake
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior Gooooogogogogogogod says you da cupcake. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 sounds like you have issues, son
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says look who's talking. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 we all sin, no point making it worse
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior oh boy oh boy. I'm going to tell God you're calling it a liar. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 if you say so buttercup
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you're the buttercup
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 fair enough
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says see you in heaven. Not. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 whatever you say snowflake.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior guess what God said?
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 i can read what God says in Scripture, i don't need to guess.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you can't. 
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Male 1,105
@. Oh yeah, and that you're a snowflake. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 there, there, snowflake.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you're the snowflake. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01  whatever you say snowflake. 
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you're the snowflake.
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 of course, snowflake.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says you're the snowflake.
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Male 11,547
bearbear01 of course, buttercup.
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior God says your the buttercup. 
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Male 11,547
bearbear01  of course, snowflake. 
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Male 12,258
Hey guys, you're having a scientific debate with someone who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job, people didn't land on the moon, and the Earth might be flat. 

Re-evaluate if that is a good usage of your time.
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Male 11,547
holygod Still butt hurt over your dunning-kruger, hey? 
You know, i've never said or thought:
"9/11 was an inside job" (evidence points to explosives, who did it is best left for a re-investigation)
"People didn't land on the moon" (i question the achievement, after all it's been 50 years, and there's plenty of evidence to question it)
"the earth might be flat" (i don't care what it is) 

I'm glad though that you have responded less to my posts, and resorted to these non-replies with butt-hurt responses directed at me.  It proves what i already knew about you, that you crashed and burned too many times, and finally you couldn't afford a plane to keep trying.

Too bad D-K stood in your way to prevent you from learning sooner.  

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Male 12,258
monkwarrior i have crashed and burned only in your mind. The same mind that thinks the earth is flat and that good is indisputably real because of "testimony". Literally nobody else has ever agreed with you except 5cats. Yet numerous people, even those who disagree with me on everything else, think I have repeatedly destroyed your argument. Continue to live in whatever fantasy you want. I'll be over here in reality. I've stopped arguing with you because I genuinely think you are crazy or mentally handicapped and I feel bad picking on you.
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Male 11,547
holygod Actually you crashed and burned publicly here many times on I-A-B, throwing your teenage-tantrums over your irrational and misguided understanding of God being exposed and even worse (to you it seems) corrected.  You've even ignored correction on the topic due to your Dunning-Krugrer and desire to hold to your misguided understanding.  Here you are desperately trying to make it as if i think the earth is flat, when i do not think such a thing.  Get help with your dunning-kruger..
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Male 967
holygod Yep, I stopped engaging Monk on those subjects a while back.
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Male 7,948
holygod What else ya got? I'll take some pretty pictures of Hawaiian girls in hulu skirts.
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Male 5,637
holygod monkwarrior is a god of thought and intelligence.please do not resist
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever nah, hg is just upset that his arguments fall flat 99.9% of the time, as most anti-theist and atheist arguments do when faced with the reasoning of God, who bestows his reasoning on many of those who honour Him.  This is why even in scripture one person with faith in God could take on hundreds of people standing for a falsehood.
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Male 7,948
rumham Rumham! How's that article contrasting Wawas and Sheetz convenience stores coming? I'm counting on you to deliver.
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Male 5,637
squrlz4ever lol
shit was i supposed to be gathering info and data?!!? jesus told me sheetz was the path to salvation. so BEHOLD. plus they make awesome onion rings
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Male 7,948
rumham LOL... Maybe it was some other IAB'er from Pennsylvania. DuckBoy, perhaps? Whoever it was, we were discussing the Sheetz vs. Wawa thing and thinking it would be a good submission, at least for those of us from Pennsylvania.
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Male 12,258
Oh man, we're a minute in and I hate both of them. In fact I think I hate the guy I agree with more than the other guy.
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Male 7,948
holygod Yes. What's really sad here is that for many, this kind of YouTube nonsense is as much exposure to evolutionary science as they'll ever encounter.
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Male 6,334
Please keep in mind, grouping Atheists together is not really valid.

Atheists have as much fellowship as people standing in the same line to order a whopper (fast lane whopper of course).

At the end of the day, this is about money for BOTH of these guys, some how, this one fella has a MILLION subs..  They can rant about this crap for ages and get paid for doing it.

Here we are, arguing and not getting a goddamn thing.

One thing is clear, the two of them are smarter than the rest of us lol.
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever I think that's why there's so much junk on youtube.  The ad revenue sort of ruined it (love for money strikes again)
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Male 6,334
monkwarrior I have no idea why you have no channel monk.

Out of all of us on IAB, i have no doubt that you could create a youtube channel and get several thousand subs with minimal effort.

Of course, im not suggesting you are the type to chase money, BUT you could do good works with say and extra 5k cash a month right?
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Male 11,547
daegog I have one, but i don't put ads on anything in the videos.  I hate ads, so why would i want someone to view ads and make money off of that?  It would be a bit hypocritical don't you think?  Most videos i have are just other people's work anyway, so that would make it doubly hypocritical.
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Male 896
What a beehive of potential discord. But I think its because evolutionary theory is as much a religious construct as a scientific fact. 

True science has always been limited to a methodology that, in its true form, is confined to a laboratory. Scientific discovery must be testable and repeatable. Something that cannot apply to history. There is a certain set of assumptions that can be considered "faith" whether natural or supernatural. 

This principle is why we call many areas of research "soft sciences". We could experiment on people in a variety of ways but don't due to ethical limitations. There is a good argument to be made that evolutionary biology and portions of astronomy should be grouped into this category. Sometimes the best you can do is a logical consistency.

Bottom line, whether you believe in a universe with or without God, you still hold a BELIEF.
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Male 7,948
toetagmodel2 You think "evolutionary theory is as much a religious construct as a scientific fact"? Bah. That tells me, in all candor, that you don't know much about evolution. Do you have any idea how many different scientific disciplines put evolutionary theory to the test on a daily basis, and have for many decades, and have found it sound?

We're talking about the fields of paleontology, zoology, anatomy, the study of cellular organelles, virology, genetics, and in-the-field biology, where evolution can be witnessed firsthand, just for a start. I also find your ideas about what does and does not constitute science odd. Are you claiming that astronomy isn't a science because astronomers can't put stars in their labs and test them?
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Male 896
squrlz4ever I have studied evolutionary biology, theology, philosophy, sociology, physics, chemistry, medicine and mathematics etc. (I was in college too long). 

Just as in any field, you must make the leap from the the true lab science that supports key tenets of evolutionary theory to the real world. I'm not saying you are imprudent to do so, only that it takes a certain amount of faith in your assumptions.

And, yes, I am claiming that there are certain assumptions that must be made in astronomy that all astronomers must base their findings on, and they change all the time based on new findings.

Just for thought, consider the evolutionary theory put forth in the 50's. Many of the assumptions have been amended or thrown out all together to fit new research.
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Male 7,948
toetagmodel2 Sorry, I simply don't buy your attempt at equating evolutionary science with religion.

Has evolutionary theory been modified over the decades? Of course it has. Most fields of science have. New information, new data, and new techniques emerge that support or don't support the various hypotheses to the theory that are proposed.

And where are you getting this idea of yours about assumptions? I don't know any scientist who bases his work on assumptions.

Have you read The Selfish Gene? Dawkins published that book over 40 years ago. The main insights of that book are as valid today as when it was first published. Much the same can be said for Darwin's Origin of Species.

The notion that evolutionary science is a religious construct is pure bunk. I hear much the same argument about anthropogenic global warming, and it's an equally misinformed view.

I'm glad you've apparently earned some advanced degrees (as have I), but if you received an advanced degree in science and are equating evolutionary science with religion, something's gone awry in that education of yours.
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Male 896
squrlz4ever That's cool. We disagree. 
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever it takes faith to believe those stories cobbled together about what happened long before the earliest human writings.  
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Male 1,407
toetagmodel2 Unless you don't care if there are gods or not.

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Male 896
punko That would be a third option: That none of this argument is functionally useful and only increases human tensions.
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Male 7,948
toetagmodel2 *... increases human and squirrel tensions.
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Male 896
squrlz4ever An oversight. Apologies kind critter. An extra ear of corn is in the mail.
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Male 417
This is a great example of how successful the attacks on science have been. The majority of people now associate theory with guess without ever understanding just how strict the standards are for something to become a theory.  https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
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Male 1,105
taxidriver people who immediately dismiss theories have no understanding of what a theory is supposed to be for. You'd be tempted to pity those fools until you realize that they try to decide for you based on their chosen idiocy. 
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Male 11,547
taxidriver yet regardless of what the 'theory' definition is, the fact remains that the 'theory of evolution' is based on stories and assumptions no one can prove, which no one observed.  

Remember, just because someone tries to stick something dishonest within something people consider 'strict standards' doesn't mean something dishonest is true.
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Male 6,334
monkwarrior With regards to evolution, you do not have a single shred of integrity.

You are the most dishonest person on IAB on this particular topic.  You have no shame whatsoever and that is quite sad.

At this point, im not sure if you are trolling them or they are trolling you.  Some form of meta trolling going on here i think.
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Male 11,547
daegog sorry, no one can prove it, the theory of evolution is simply a faith based position.  No one can prove the stories told of it long before humankind's earliest writings, so those stories are taken on faith.
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Male 12,258
daegog He's trolling. Nobody is actually this stupid. Don't feed the troll.
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Male 11,547
holygod Sorry, your dunning-kruger is flaring up, get help.
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Male 7,948
holygod Oh, c'mon. He's kind of a rare species--a creationist who thinks the Earth might be flat--who's been entrusted in our care. If we don't occasionally feed him, he might wither away and go extinct and then where would we be?

~tosses Monk a few pieces of creationist kibble~
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever again, i don't think the earth might be flat.
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Male 11,547
Many scientists disagree with the evolution theory too:

A SCIENTIFIC  DISSENT FROM DARWINISM:
It deserves to be heard.



"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutations and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

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Male 5,637
monkwarrior jababbababa
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Male 11,547
rumham get well soon o'flotyham
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior get a pork wig monk wig. o'
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Male 11,547
rumham there there o'flotyham
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Male 1,407
monkwarrior I support the concept of skepticism regarding evolution.  I encourage careful examination of the evidence.

So investigate with a critical, but unbiased, eye.  Repeat the experiments detailed.  Observe what those others have observed.  Test what others have tested.

That is how science works.

Repeating experiments and getting results.
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Male 11,547
punko And there's reason to question the accepted 'theory'
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior whats the theory
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Male 11,547
rumham  mutations and natural selection to account for the complexity of life 
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior i support your selection  of being super precious
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Male 11,547
rumham i made no such selection
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Male 6,496
monkwarrior And there’s reason to question anything from the Discover Institute - the folks that brought us Intelligent Design. That list has been debunked a thousand times over.
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Male 11,547
markust123 have anything other than the biased irrati.. er 'rational' wiki? 
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monkwarrior Typical conspiracy theorist. You picked the one questionable search result to dismiss how bad your source was, and ignored all the legitimate ones.
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markust123 Typical, i asked you for anything, you came back with nothing but an insult?
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Male 6,496
monkwarrior Do your own search. It's time you learned how to fact check your own sources. Preferably before you send them.
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Male 11,547
markust123 So you have nothing but irrationalwiki  er.. i mean 'rational' wiki 
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Male 6,496
monkwarrior You are such a troll. I'm out of here.
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Male 11,547
markust123 So you have nothing.. c'ya
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior wiki jesus bible fallacy
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Male 11,547
rumham im sure that would just bring up a bunch of insecure anti-theist sites.
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ahaha what a hater. poor soul, so fallacious and arrogant and prideful like many other angry atheists I've had the chance to discuss with online.  21 minutes of sheer desperation, wow.

But ultimately evolution wasn't observed.  No one knows what happened long before the earliest human writings.  Sure many people make up stories to get their names popular, yet it's still a story that we have no evidence for, simply assumptions.
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monkwarrior explain your side
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rumham i just did
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monkwarrior no. you didnt
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rumham yes.  i did.
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Male 233
monkwarrior The irony is strong in this one, mmmgggghhh?  By the way, what is your training in science, again?

We can find transitional fossils in the rock record, but no evidence of God, despite what apologists assert without reason.

Evolution of new species has been observed in nature and in the lab, but just keep your head in the sand, OK?  I guess fancy put this old video up to stir things up.
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squrlz4ever Without the ability to traverse time, evolution is still only backed up by stores of assumption which no one can prove.  They just have to "take someone's word for it".

Oh, and there's plenty of evidence for God.  The problem is you have applied  fallacious thinking, moving the goalposts, or cherry picking against the evidence of testimony, the evidence of lives changed for the better by God, and the evidence of societies which have flourished for the best by honoring God.
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monkwarrior Kinda like you take the bible's word for it?
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megrendel It's not too difficult to try and test the Holy Bible.  I managed to do it and find it's validity within 10 years.  Evolution though is based on 'taking someone's word for it' because even within a lifetime you could still not find out on your own, but have to take someone's word for it, and stake a position of faith for it.
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monkwarrior The amount of self-delusion in that statement is beyond the realm of possibility any sane individual could comprehend. 

Something tells me your 'testing' wouldn't even bear a passing similarity to the scientific method. 

Between the two, the theory of Evolution has much more proof behind it than the Bible does.  That's not saying the Bible does not have merit, just that it does not meet the scientific method's definition of proof. 

I still find it hilarious that you always disbelieve anything you don't see with your own eyes...except for the one thing you cannot prove by seeing with your own eyes.  

Tell me, how do you know Jesus of Nazareth actually existed, if you were not there to actually see him?
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megrendel Sorry, there is still no evidence for the stories of evolution that were made up in the last 2 centuries, trying to explain what happened long before the earliest human writings, when no human was there to observe and record their findings.  

Actually the testing of scripture is very similar to the scientific method.  Scripture provides the procedures, and tells of the results, you just have to follow them precisely, and see if you get the same results.

You can know Jesus, because He was risen, and lives.
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Male 9,723
monkwarrior when no human was there to observe and record their findings.  

So, when I cross over train tracks in the road, I have no evidence that a train has ever been through there, because I didn't see the actual train? Irregardless of the fact that I can observe the tracks and know their purpose. 


monkwarrior Scripture provides the procedures, and tells of the results, you just have to follow them precisely,

The fact that you do not see the problem with that statement pretty much sums up why everyone here knows you're delusional.

And it bears absolutely no relationship to the scientific method. The Scientific method does not tell you the results. It's the process by which you discover the results. 

What you said is basically the following:
  1. The Bible says the procedure is to hit your thumb with a hammer.
  2. The Bible says the results will be a sore thumb.
    1. *tries the experiment as put forth by the Bible*
  3. The Bible is correct, and as a result the sore thumb is God's will.


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megrendel Pretty ridiculous response, while it may be true no train has ever touched a specific piece of track, it's no way resembling the huge reach required to make the stories of evolution work.  Most people could safely deduce that if rails are smooth and the sides are rough that trains have used that track.

The problem you face is that you reject scripture has procedures (when it does).  It's sort of like an ancient textbook on faith, much like a modern text book on physics, which provides you information on how to understand and test what the words are trying to teach.
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Male 9,723
monkwarrior The problem you face is that you reject scripture has procedures 

Please, enlighten us with a Biblical procedure that mirrors the Scientific Method.

We'll wait. 
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Male 11,547
megrendel Question, hypotheses, Experiment, observation, analysis, conclusion.  

Many people question the validity of the bible.  
They form a hypotheseses about it.
They dive into it, study it, experiment with it, put its practices to work in their lives.
They observe the changes in their lives it brings.
They analyze those changes, compare them to their lives before living those lessons.
They form conclusions about those lessons.

This can be mapped onto the faith of billions of people throughout history and today, and most people find that the words and lessons and procedures laid out in the Holy Bible are valid, which is part of the reason why the Holy Bible is studied so much, and why it never faded away into history like other books which weren't able to be validated.

How will you ignore now?

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monkwarrior I note that you ignored my request for specifics.

You're quote:  "Scripture provides the procedures, and tells of the results, you just have to follow them precisely, and see if you get the same results."

I asked for an example of the procedures and results.  You gave me babble. 

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megrendel 
Remove the line about the bible, and he could be babbling about just about anything, including a vegan diet.


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Male 11,547
megrendel so that's how you will ignore, foolishly.
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Male 9,723
monkwarrior You can't ignore what is not provided.
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Male 11,547
megrendel nice clutch at straws, but still a fallacy.
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Male 9,723
monkwarrior SUCCESS!!!

A sure sign that monkwarrior has nothing is when resorts to one of his fallback codewords: "fallacy" in this case.
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megrendel
Yeah, and he doesn't even attempt to specify what fallacy.

My last discussion with him consisted of much the same - he also repeated some of my remarks back to me, claimed my lines should have been his, and told me to leave.

I didn't waste much time on him. We really should all just ignore him. I expect he'd either modify his behaviour, or go elsewhere for attention.
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Male 11,547
megrendel Sorry, you've had nothing but fallacies since you jumped in.  Just pointing out your waste of time.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I know more about religions than you ever will. naaa-naaa-naaaaaaaaaaa.

Your fallacy is your stupid face. You don't know shit, attention-boy.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe  sorry, if you knew more about them than i do you wouldn't have come out as you did.  By doing so, you demonstrated that you know very little of the things you claim to know more about. 
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Male 716
monkwarrior Actually, by constantly deflecting the challenge to demonstrate knowledge, you demonstrate that your claims about having any are vacuous. 

like your head, chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe actually i've demonstrated you don't know more than me on the topic.  Run along now, learn to deal with the loss, son.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Actually, you have demonstrated the opposite. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe clutch at straws all you like, the fact you've demonstrated that you don't understand the meat of scripture still remains.
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Male 716
monkwarrior The only meat you will ever know is my fat dick in your mouth. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe Desperate to make your point huh?  It shows how little you have.
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Male 716
monkwarrior My point is in your mouth dickwad.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along buttercup
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Male 716
monkwarrior Wooaaahh, settle down there killer.

Buttercups are a pretty flower - I do not mind being called one.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe then run along buttercup
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Male 716
monkwarrior ;) swim along fish.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe like i said, run along
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Male 716
monkwarrior Nope. Staying. Why, you losing steam?

I have so much left :))))))))
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along buttercup, you clearly have nothing.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I keep staying :O
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along snowflake.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I will.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe then run along snowflake.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup troll
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along snowflake
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I will.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup.
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Male 716
monkwarrior I will.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe then run along snowflake.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe then run along snowflake.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup troll.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup troll
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Male 7,948
monkwarrior It never gives you pause to consider that there are billions of human beings who are every bit as religious as you are--some, no doubt, more so--whose religious beliefs contradict your own? 

You just sweep that aside, I guess, by figuring "They're mistaken; I'm not"?
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squrlz4ever Sorry i've studied many religions of the world (i didn't just stop after 10 years of the Holy Bible), i can safely say that God is working to lead as many people as possible to his way:  Love one another.  Your petty argument is fruitless.
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monkwarrior Interesting. Because while there are a little over 2 billion Christians in the world, there are well over 3 billion devoutly religious Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, and Jews. More interesting still, Islam, not Christianity, is the world's fastest growing religion.

So apparently God is working to spread the message that Jesus was not his son and Christians are mistaken.
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever Like i said, your petty argument is fruitless.  God is spreading the message: "Love one another; be holy as I am holy", and He has many ways to do this.  He is God after all..
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Male 7,948
monkwarrior I think you need to find a new adjective. Discussing world religions, as practiced by billions of people, and their ramifications for individual belief, is anything but petty.

That said, your response is more inclusive than I was expecting. You seem to be saying that many religions, and not just Christianity, are valid paths to God.
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever it's not petty, but your take on it seems to be, contrary to what you say mine is, you made it pretty exclusive.

It's pretty simple.  God is love.  Jesus commands us to "Love one another", God says "Be holy as I am Holy".  

I read a rabbi who once put it best, i forget who, but he said something along the lines of this (paraphrasing) "Love is the most important lesson of scripture, everything else is there to support that"
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Male 9,187
megrendel OUCH Someone call the Hospital for this burn.  
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Male 11,547
normalfreak2 maybe for megrendel?
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Male 233
monkwarrior The theory of evolution has made predictions that have been tested over the years, despite your arrogant dismissing of them.  One is that transitional fossils between fish and amphibians should be found in shallow marine and lacustrine deposits of Devonian age.  Along with this, is that you'll never find human fossils in those rocks, or with dinosaurs ala the Flintstones for that matter.  But you'll just go to your Cretinist website and pull out some known fraudulent human footprints with dino tracks, won't you?

What predictions can you make from your study of the Bible?  And what is your training in science, again, since you claim to be able to dismiss all of science?

Since you like the fat guy in the red hat so much, how about the fact that he is a known scammer, too:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/27/wheres-the-camera-you-promised-to-buy/

But lying for Jesus is OK?  The end justifies the means?  You are playing on a slippery slope, buddy.
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stevopusser Many predictions can be made from study of the Holy Bible, many which have been scientifically proven.  For example, those who do wicked become foolish.  Those who honour God are joyful and happy.  Those who build on a solid foundation of faith in God are able to weather storms, whereas those who don't are washed away.  We know that nations that embrace unrighteousness and sinfulness eventually fail. The video above even goes to show some of these things, if you could see the desperate and irrational hate the author has.

I said nothing about the guy with the red hat, i was simply pointing out how much of a hater the angry atheist video host was.  See how stupid your assumption makes you?
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monkwarrior You tested the entire bible in ten years or just parts?  Old or New Testament?  Asking for a friend.
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Django i read it (the entire thing) around 7 times within that span, analyzing each verse in great depth.  First time wasn't as in depth as the last time within that span, but the last time was putting more procedures to the test than the first time. I started to see enough validity by the first read through to warrant a second look, and it continued.  By the end of that span i had noticed a lot of my former thinking of the Bible had been corrected to a great deal, and i was seeing with eyes from a perspective i had never known existed before. I was thankful to finally have a deep understanding of the most powerful words this world has known.

Believe it or not, i had initially set out to prove it false (if it was).  I went in with no expectations or assumptions but to find out it's validity.

Its validity is what lead me to become a monk.
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior i think playing Diablo and being a weird introvert led you to being a monk
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Male 11,547
rumham i played diablo, but not for long, maybe 8 hours.  It was ok, but i decided to just use the cheat codes to see the end.
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior yes because nothing is fun. everything is MEH. you are a MONKWARRIOR you must SUFFER for your CRAFT! 
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Male 11,547
rumham i told you before, i like water, so you're wrong.
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Male 7,948
monkwarrior You've analyzed each of the Bible's 31,102 verses "in great depth"? ~raises eyebrow~
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Male 11,547
squrlz4ever you can do a lot in 10 years.  Even more when you are interested in the topic.  Especially with a great tool like the internet at your fingertips. And definitely if you are good at studying.
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monkwarrior no wants to hear about your fingertips
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Male 11,547
rumham get well soon o'flotyham
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monkwarrior goodbye love
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Male 11,547
rumham in a while o'flotyham
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monkwarrior 
"No one knows" because you haven't observed it?  
With that logic how do I know YOU exist? I've never seen you.
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Gerry1of1 When it comes to science, a stricter measure should be involved.  The assumptions of evolution are today like the assumptions that fire, water, earth, and air were the only elements back in the day.  What a waste of time was spent on that failed assumption.
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monkwarrior    LOL        I'm glad you're always consistent.

Those elements you mentioned were an unfounded belief, 
they had faith in it. Much like religion. Lots of faith, no facts. 
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Gerry1of1 Much like evolution today, it requires a lot of faith too, you know.  Faith in the stories told of what happened before anyone was around to observe it.
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monkwarrior That takes us full circle.  I have never seen you, 
never "observed" you so by your logic you don't exist.
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Male 11,547
Gerry1of1 you're observing my writings directly to you, but have faith in whatever you want.
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monkwarrior     You could be AI and not a real person
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Gerry1of1 that could easily be solved by taking a video of me typing a reply to you, but like i said, have faith in whatever you want.
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monkwarrior     gotta have the last word, don't you.
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Gerry1of1 I'm just saying..
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Gerry1of1 dude. literally he will be the last word on month old posts, cause it gives him power
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Male 11,547
Gerry1of1 Gotta have the last word, don't you?
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior chewbacca
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rumham toodle-oo
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monkwarrior I think you should learn more science. Most of what you say about it is quite appalling. 

Science is an organized application of skepticism. We continuously test our theories and often find flaws in them that lead to more science.

The list of scientists who dissent against the mechanism for evolution is not that impressive. The vast majority are not experts in the field. My field is physics. It really doesn't fucking matter what I think about natural selection, because I do not have expertise in that area. 

I do not care if a mathematician does not believe in natural selection. I do not care if a psychologist does not believe in quantum mechanics. 

Your area of expertise is being a stupid fuck-tard. So anything you say about anything else is pretty much irrelevant, and we all know this.

Science would happily champion a competing theory for natural selection if it produced better results. 
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BuckeyeJoe I work in a field of science, i do learn science, in fact for at least 6 hours a day i study scientific material, and do scientific related things.  

The bottom line regarding evolution is this:  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THE STORIES MADE UP BY PEOPLE IN THE LAST 2 CENTURIES OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE HUMANKIND'S EARLIEST WRITINGS, NO ONE HAS OBSERVED IT TAKING PLACE, THEREFORE IT IS AN ASSUMPTION.
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monkwarrior God, you are more fun to fuck with than 5cats. 

We should grab a beer sometime. I feel like I owe ya for all the entertainment.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe i don't drink
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monkwarrior Neither do I. We could make it root-beer ;)
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monkwarrior Actually, that's wrong. There is a great deal of evidence which demonstrates speciation. In fact, just the DNA record alone is sufficient to drive the "stories," as you call them. The fact that speciation was proposed and had evidence prior to DNA sequencing is quite remarkable. Finding the DNA evidence staring us in the face was just the nail in the coffin.

I do not believe you at all about your job. Not one single bit. And unless you say what it is you do and demonstrate it by displaying knowledge only someone in that field would have, I will continue to believe 100% that you are lying.

Conversely, I am happy to demonstrate that I am a scientist by providing you with knowledge of physics only a physicist would.

Just ask. Real people of science do not hide behind vague baseless claims.
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BuckeyeJoe Sorry, there is still no evidence to back up the 'stories' and 'assumptions' of what happened before humankind's earliest writings, and no one was there to observe the 'stories' and 'assumptions'.  You're simply grasping at straws to try make it work.  In fact even DNA has been shown to imply that a designer is behind it.

Your  ignorance of your creator will never do you any favors.  Remember: the first taste of natural science may make someone atheist, but at the bottom of the barrel God is waiting for you.
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monkwarrior Incorrect. The DNA record points to natural speciation without a designer, and there are mountains of evidence in addition.

Your ignorance of science will not do you any favors. Although the sweet, blissful false security of a god watching over you will appeal to you initially, at the end of the day you will find heart-ache and tears for rejecting reality. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe DNA actually lead a former leading atheist away from their position.  Run along now, be desperate to ignore your God and the science which leads many to Him.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Actually, the DNA record has led more theists to believe in natural selection than anything else. Sooooo, go fuck yourself.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe Yet there is still no way to prove what happened tens of thousands of years ago, much less millions.  So run along now, and try to get a grip on your emotions.
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monkwarrior Well sure there is! That's what evidence does, dumbass.
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BuckeyeJoe Yet you can't present the evidence to prove it, simply stories and assumptions that you feel are evidence, but in the grand scheme of things are simply stories and assumptions with nothing but the imagination of the story teller to back up.
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Male 716
monkwarrior you have described yourself perfectly!
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BuckeyeJoe There is no evidence to prove the stories and assumptions made up of what happened long before the earliest recordings of humankind.  It's simply a faith position.
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monkwarrior Again, you describe theism perfectly! How do you do that? It's peeeeerfect.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe There's plenty of evidence, the evidence you have moved the goalposts on to fallaciously reject what you dislike, fear, or hate.
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monkwarrior "fallaciously reject what you dislike, fear, or hate."

keep em coming. It fits you perfectly.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe  you're the one who is revealing your true self, son 
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Male 716
monkwarrior "you're the one who is revealing your true self, son "

Yes, that is exactly what you are doing. Dead on the mark again, fish.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe yes i know it's exactly what you're doing, run along buttercup, before you sink yourself.
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Male 716
monkwarrior lol, exactly what you're doing, fishyboy.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along buttercup, anyone can see you have nothing
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Male 716
monkwarrior Not true, I have my trolly-ness. And I got my dick in yo mouth :))))))
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe sorry buttercup, you have nothing.
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Male 716
monkwarrior No YOU got nothing. 
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along snowflake, you clearly have nothing to back up the stories and assumptions made up of what happened long before humankind's earliest writings.
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monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay. I have so much evidence.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup, since you have nothing but stupidity left.
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monkwarrior I will, since you are the definition of stupidity.
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Male 11,547
BuckeyeJoe run along snowflake, it appears you're to stupid to realize your own stupidity.
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Male 716
monkwarrior Naa, gonna stay.
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BuckeyeJoe suit yourself buttercup troll
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monkwarrior I will never understand how you can say there is "no evidence" for evolution--despite the record of paleontology, the anatomy of living animals, and the evidence of DNA--yet claim there is proof of the existence of God via "the evidence of testimony," whatever that is.

Another observation: Fortunately, the work of scientists in the field of evolution has little or nothing to do with, nor any dependency on, the myriad of evolution YouTube videos out there, both pro and con, recorded by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

There's scientific work, which is one thing, and then there's YouTube videos. They are essentially unrelated.
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squrlz4ever Because the evidence for God leads people to find Him, and they can see the empirical evidence of God then.  The evidence for evolution leads people to question the stories people made up before the earliest human writings, "how do they know what happened when transitional fossils are lacking, and the fossil record of them, as one would expect for the claims of evolution to be abundant, actually be so devoid?"

Darwin himself said he could give ‘no satisfactory answer’ to why no fossils had been discovered. For example after almost two centuries of digging beneath all the world’s continents, no previous ancestor of the first hard-bodied  trilobite has been found.  Turns out when there is no real evidence, evolutionary scientists simply make assumptions. 
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monkwarrior Just ugh. You don't know enough about evolution to be attempting to debate it. Here's an image of a fossil recovered in Australia that some scientists believe is a soft-bodied ancestor of the hard-shelled trilobyte (below).



Surely you can appreciate that fossils of animals with soft-bodies, such as jellyfish, are much more difficult to find than fossils of animals with shells and bones?

But I'm not going down this path with you. Been there, done that. Your mind's made up and nothing's changing it. I get it.
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Male 747
squrlz4ever soft-bodies sounds like a very unpopular 80’s movie.
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Male 43,787
squrlz4ever    LOL ... give it up with Monk.... there are none so blind as those who will not see.  {I got that from Goldie Hawn movie} 
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Male 11,547
Gerry1of1 But it doesn't apply to you, hmm?
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squrlz4ever Sorry, i know enough about evolution to know that no one can prove it without manipulating time to go back and observe it.  And we've already talked of this before, there is a 'foisting' happening in science, where people foisted their opinions into science in history and were shown to be wrong, and this is what is happening right here, since the evidence is not clear.  It's based on assumptive stories.
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monkwarrior Again you show you have no understanding of science.  You claim you you have training in science...put up or shut up.  What is it?  Prove I'm wrong when I say you're lying about that.

Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Still waiting.
No?  Coward.
Coward.
Coward.
Put up or shut up.

With your standards, we'd never convict anyone of a crime if the jury wasn't present while the perp committed the crime.  

Fat guy in a red hat in a car is a known liar and scammer, like the rest of the religious scammers.  And you think we should listen to them about morality?
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stevopusser Again, i was pointing out the ridiculousness of the hater who was hating, the author of the video.  If you can't deal with that, your loss.
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monkwarrior The first part in my above post, liar, was about your lying about your training in science.  Stick to that.  What is it?
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Male 11,547
stevopusser What you think you know about me is clearly filtered through your spectacles of bias.  When you take them off you might see better. Good luck
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Male 233
monkwarrior Yup, you are lying about your training in science.  Thank you for confirming it.
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Male 11,547
stevopusser Sorry i have good training in the field i work in, and graduated among the top percentages of my class
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Male 5,637
monkwarrior fartwig
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Male 11,547
rumham get well soon o'flotyham
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Male 1,105
monkwarrior yawn. God told me evolution is real and I say so and I feel it (it's a personal thing, you kno?), so it's true. 
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There are no christians more attractive than I am.
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Male 5,637
Gerry1of1 you are one sexy tart. probably why monk is so angry you brought your A game and he is a sad bitch
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Male 1,105
Hmm. Let me think.... Bunch of scientist with solid work vs one dude on Facebook.  Gee, I can't decide. 
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Male 5,637
bearbear01 but the monkwarrior is a monk, and a warrior who shames people over the internet, and makes them hate spirituality cause if its devoid sad vacant shitbags like monk who are into spiritualty then good jesus christ, leave me out of it
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Male 11,547
rumham lol desperate floting ham
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rumham you know those yippy dogs that are tiny and "cute" and you say something like "aww, look at it, it thinks it's a big dog! Look how it stands to the big dogs without fear! Look at it standing in front of a car, barking" and they yip yap some more, and then it keep yapping and won't shut the hell up even when you say look, move out of the way of that fracking truck or it's going to flatten you, and then they keep yapping and yapping, and all of a sudden you realize that the dog is just a noisy fucking annoyance, and then you start feeling bad for it, yet it is no less annoying anyway? That's monk. 
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bearbear01 your desperation showed you to be your own judgement, there there puppy.
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Male 5,637
rumham i'm sure his reply will be informative
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Male 11,547
rumham you were right.
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