This Guy Came Out To His Family... As A Republican

Submitted by: johndplorable 4 months ago in Lifestyle News & Politics

This guy came out gay and everyone applauded; then he came out as a Republican and he lost his friends and family. Original article here. Next post will be kittens or something Intertubes appropriate, I promise.

An excerpt from The Federalist:

In desperation, like a closeted teenager sneaking into a porn theater, I surreptitiously began to explore the forbidden territories of Fox News and other conservative outlets. Incredibly, I found myself agreeing more often than not. 

Fine, I thought, but that is where I had to draw the line. A couple of conservative encounters does not a conservative make, right? Until more liberals began to recognize the disingenuousness and destructiveness of my party’s stances, I just resolved to stick it out. I did everything in my power to avoid that one last unspeakable, fatal option: turning Republican.
There are 33 comments:
Male 57
I don't care if you're a republican. I care if you support this piece of garbage in the oval.
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Male 673
I'm OK with Republicans having no friends or family.  It'll keep them from breeding.
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Male 276
skeeter01 but then you'll have no one to give you free money... who are the democrats going to take from if all the republicans are gone?
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Male 673
moldysod I have a republican friend who says the world needs democrats... who else are republicans going to rent their second and third houses to?
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Male 673
moldysod... oh come on man!  That was freakin' funny, you gotta admit.  The guy I'm talking about actually exists, and despite his politics, I consider him one of my best friends.  While some folks would get offended by a comment like that, I laugh at it every time.  
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Male 2,204
Regardless of the truthiness of this story, I 100% believe that "This guy came out gay and everyone applauded; then he came out as a Republican and he lost his friends and family." could happen. Often. That is EXACTLY what would happen in Hyde Park, Chicago where I am. 
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Male 4,091
I came out to my mother as an atheist. She didn't like that too much. I didn't ostracized for it though, surprisingly.
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Male 296
DuckBoy87 I don’t know if I’m actually an atheist. I just never think about it. Too busy with what’s going on down here...
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793
johndplorable You're a 'soft atheist', someone who doesn't think or behave religiously. A 'hard/strong atheist' is someone who behaves the same way, but makes the statement that there is no god.

Plenty of agnostics are soft atheists (or 'agnostic atheists'); regardless of their personal opinions, if they don't do anything in reference to their spiritual beliefs, they're atheist ('without theism').
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Male 296
barry9a Very interesting. Thanks for the comments. I could probably qualify as agnostic. I may be a “just in caseist.” I don’t actively state that there is no god...just in case. I read about Taoism when I was a teenager and I liked the concept of a natural way of things. I still wouldn’t term it as god, but I revisit the idea when there’s something I can’t quite understand. 
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Male 5,644
DuckBoy87 Lot of christians don't like atheists, that's just cause they don't know enough apostates.

We are right there with satanists in terms of evil :P
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793
Yeah, because someone raised in a liberal family is totes going to use the term 'the liberal agenda'. This bit of fiction even has the author as a small  business owner strangled by red tape... a point which is dropped as immediately as it is raised. The article is just basically ticking off a list of conservative feelgood points.

And fuck, dude, Trump isn't even accepted by Republicans. They all hated him before he was elected, and are just lumping it now that he has been enpresidented. Trump isn't a republican or a democrat - he's something else, and he took advantage of the fears that the republicans generated this decade. 'Becoming a trump supporter' is not synonymous with 'becoming a republican'.

Fuck tribal politics.
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Male 6,172
I’m not buying his lame attempt to be a victim. This guy was unfriended on social media because he was bombarding his friends and family with partisan us-against-them politics. At any given time on Facebook I am not following around 15 conservatives and 5 liberals. It’s not because of their views it’s because they are being Uber-partisan on social media. They are attacking half their friends and family. I don’t put up with that crap. Every few months I’ll take them all off unfollow and sometimes within minutes some of them are back in it. Every once in a while someone breaks free of that partisan bubble and I’m super proud.
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Male 99
markust123 From someone in a somewhat similar position to the person who wrote this (conservative jew), I would say from my personal experience that shunning like this can happen even if you aren't going after other people. 

Personally I'm willing to discuss politics of any type with anyone, but I will rarely initiate the topic. Much more often I'll have someone come up to me to tell me about the latest idiocy from Trump or the republicans, then trying to scourge me for not agreeing with them. Since my political opinions were spread around the community, I would say that this makes up a good 60% of the things people will approach me about.

I didn't really lose friends over it, but that was more a factor that I never really had many in the first place, because there wasn't that common ground. Hell, I've had some of the people who do share social circles with me be attacked because they're willing to associate with me.
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Male 296
I-Am-Annoyed I submitted this story because I’ve found many of my liberal acquaintances turn sour on anyone who does not actively hate Trump, his policies, and republicans in general.
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Male 11,998
johndplorable I'm fine with republicans. My dad is a Republican. I considered myself a Republican till I was 22. I would still vote Republican for the right candidate. I do however, absolutely have a problem with anyone who voted for or supports trump. If you can't see past party lines to how completely unpresidential he is then we aren't going to have anything to talk about.
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Male 99
holygod Personally I think the best political analysis of the election came from Southpark. We had a choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Both candidates scared the hell out of me in many ways. Honestly if Bernie had won the primary I would have voted for him despite disagreeing with almost all of his policy positions because the man had integrity, unlike Trump and Clinton.

That said, the argument of "unpresidential" is somewhat subjective. If you mean that he does not do dignity to the office, i agree. However i also felt that way about president Obama for several of the actions he had done as well. That said, I'm not voting on America's Got Talent, superficiality is less important to me than the character and actions of the person. While i hate his lack of character, I do like many of the actions he has taken (cabinet post choices, executive order allowing health insurance to be purchased across state lines, and others).

TL;DR- IMO trump was the lesser of two evils, because at least people recognize his lack of character and will scrutinize what he does, while many will ignore it in Clinton.
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Male 296
holygod Great comment. I think a lot of people feel this way and I get it. There were a lot of people who felt the same way about Obama by his second term. I disagreed sharply with some of his policies and the way I perceived he talked down to the country, but didn’t write off everyone who voted for him. There were 63 million people who voted for Trump. That’s a lot of your countryfolk to write off. We need to be able to count on each other if push comes to shove. 

I would submit that a person can support Trump’s agenda without supporting him and a person can support him without being a fanatic. There have been more than a few effective presidents who were crude, but they did not have a 24/7 news cycle trying to tear them down. 
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Male 838
johndplorable Since you have taken the term "Deplorable" into your name, I have to ask... Which of the following qualities do you consider positive?   racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, or Islamaphobic 
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Male 296
muert Thanks for the question. The answer, of course, is none of them. I took the term precisely because Hillary's use of the term put everyone who did not agree with her or her agenda into one "basket," and in doing so, alienated roughly 70 million voters.

I don't think about people that way. I certainly do not believe every Democrat or liberal-leaning voter is anti-Caucasian, anti-straight, communist, socialist, Marxist, etc.

It's dangerous to hear a person's point of view and respond by attacking their character. I provide my point of view and try to learn. Sometimes people agree with me; sometimes I am convinced to change my mind.  

For example, I agree with building a border wall and upgrading security to better control the flow of workers, narcotics, and human trafficking over the border. I fail to see how this belief is racist or xenophobic. I see it as responsible. American citizens elect our leaders to see to our interests and security and to uphold our laws. This doesn't mean we cannot engage other countries and cultures in good faith and invite people into America in accordance with our laws. I'm open to hearing contrasting opinions on the matter, but no alternative, other than completely open borders, has been presented to me. I simply disagree with that idea.
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Male 57
johndplorable The problem with you saying she "alienated roughly 70 million voters" is that those "70 million voters" were okay with the bigoted piece of garbage that they were voting for against made up scandals around a woman - it had almost nothing to do with policy proposals. My family is split red and blue, and there is nothing HRC could have done to win over the red. I still have 5 second conversations (before I shut them off with a handy "f off") with my red side where they talk about all the missing people from her and her emails. My dad voted Bernie then Trump because he's sexist. My bro in law voted Trump because he's a douchebag sexist and closeted racist. I was a born again and all my now ex "friends" voted for Trump because he was the "Christian". They are all, handily, deplorable, and her calling it out had nothing to do with her losing.
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Male 5,644
This is the most horrible fiction I have found sense Battlefield Earth.

You mean to tell me that Harvey Weinstein being a leacher has something to do with Democrats?

If this is the case, then the Republicans are guilty for the actions of the Duggars.


No democrat/liberal would think, Harvey Weinstein is a molester, so imma become a republican now.  This does not happen and it would not happen.

Perhaps he feels the need to have a reason to be a gay jewish republican?  If so, ok fine, but Harvey Weinstein as a reason is nonsense.
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Male 296
daegog Bwahaha! Everytime Battlefield Earth comes on, I have to watch a little of it to make sure I’m not mistaken that it’s the worst movie ever!
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Male 99
daegog I read it more as a "straw that broke the camel's back" type of thing. Its not a big deal politically and it shouldn't reflect on other democrats, but a person that he was raised to see as a paragon wasn't. An analogy would be how the coverage of how a relatively few priests molested boys caused some people to leave the catholic church.
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Male 5,644
I-Am-Annoyed I see what you mean, but i didnt see anything about him seeing Harvey Weinstein or "Media Outlets" as paragons of anything.

If the "Media Outlets" were covering up Weinsteins molestations, how does he know about them unless he was raped by weinstein himself?

There was no straw, no camel and he was never a liberal.  That is fine, but pretending he was, just so he could write this article, which for all the world sounds like every other maga hat wearing fuck, is nonsense.

He just wants people to think he is special because he is a gay republican. I know black people with confederate flag tattoos, they are special too.
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Male 99
daegog You can find out about cover ups after the fact when they are exposed by investigation. A person didn't need to have been raped by a priest to learn that the church had been hiding the fact that these acts did occur.

Stories did occur after the public accusations that stated that Weinstein's actions were known about but not reported earlier. The New York Times had an article about it, as did many other outlets.

Some snippets from the article:
I was raised in a liberal Jewish family in Washington DC, where my dad served as a Democratic congressman for Los Angeles. Accordingly, I was indoctrinated with all of the correct values and views.

 I began to raise questions with my family and friends, and met resistance. It was not because my concerns were particularly inappropriate; I was just not supposed to be questioning at all.

One could disagree with nuances, but not the judgment of the (then) president, or the party. Period.

the media outlets that had enabled and covered up his indiscretions for years were the same major public voices for the Democratic Party

He was raised to follow the dogma of the democratic party, then later found out that the spokespeople for the party were involved in actions that were antithetical to their pronounced beliefs. Believe me, I very deliberately used the example of pedophile priests and the catholic church for my analogy
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I-Am-Annoyed herein lies the utter horseshit. If you geniunely were going to change political allegiance because actions weren't following statements, there's no fucking way in hell you'd move towards supporting Trump.
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Male 99
barry9a I think you're confusing a catalyzing moment for the motivation to change. I will never say, or accept that democrats had a monopoly on hypocrisy. It is something that you will find in any person of any political affiliation. Part of it though i think is the degree of difference between what was thought about someone and what is exposed. If Richard Dawkins came out tomorrow saying that he was converting to Catholicism and that he intended to spend the rest of his life as a missionary it would be far more shocking than if a random college age atheist did the same, because of how different it was from his prior commitment and reputation.

As far as supporting Trump, I feel you can dislike a person for who he is, while supporting the good that he does. I think Trump is a bad spokesman for the Republican party, has little character, and acts like a clown. That said, he has done some things that I felt were necessary for the country that would not had happened without him.

Probably my biggest hope is that next election cycle, one or both of the parties will nominate someone with more character and integrity, so that at least next time we can respect the person we disagree with.
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793
That said, he has done some things that I felt were necessary for the country that would not had happened without him.

Such as? What are some clear examples?

The point I'm making is that the article has the main character switching political allegiance because words weren't matching actions, yet the target of the new allegiance is a man with a legal history of scamming, who is an outright, overt, and acknowledged liar, and who chopped and changed his morality when convenient for him. To claim you're becoming a Trump supporter because you're tired of hypocrisy is clearly bupkis.

The next prez isn't going to be anyone particularly moral. ANYONE who has half a clue is going to be 'better than Trump'. Fucking hell, five months into Trump's reign, he gave a speech where he wasn't boasting or insulting people, and the talking heads on TV were calling him 'presidential' as a result. That's how low the bar is now.
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Male 99
barry9a Some of the ones that I find important at least are tax reform, allowing competition for health insurance across state lines, operating outside of the UN channels when the United State's interests did not correspond to its policies.

Again he never said he switched because he was tired of hypocrisy. He doesn't directly state it, but I read it as disgust that someone who was presented as a paragon wasn't. No one in their right mind would ever describe Trump as a paragon of anything except perhaps reality TV. I've had I don't know how many people describe Trumps idiocy as "Trump being Trump".

Taking the media's opinion of almost anything these days is an exercise in futility given how partisan things have become. We need to work with both parties to support candidates with integrity and values that they actually hold, rather than jumping on the "they're better than ..." bandwagon. We need to insist on raising the bar when it comes to choosing who will be the next leaders of the nation.
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Male 773
daegog I read that as "Guilty for the actions of the Draugr."

Raising our Nord ancestors from the grave... Those damn conservatives!
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Male 5,644
profworm LOL,

Ya know i just started a new skyrim play thru, I thought I did WRITE Draugr for a second.

Ulfric is clearly a conservative, I always have to fight for the imperials lol.
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