USA May Move Embassy To Jerusalem

Submitted by: 5cats 1 week ago in News & Politics


 Trump may do what most world leaders have been afraid to do for all these years: actually recognize that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

After endless rejections by the PLO (or their offspring) to any solution at all, it's high time someone actually did something about the ongoing crisis.

Of course, there is likely to be violent backlash.

As there always is when actual moves towards peaceful co-existence are attempted. The PLO has one goal only: remove all Jews from the Middle East, one way or another. 

With a Nuclear armed Iran just around the corner and many Middle-East nations spending tons of cash on weapons with civil wars and armed conflict at an all-time high there, at least there's some potentially good news from the area.

If it's true, and if he succeeds survives it could be the calming influence that has been missing for so long in the Middle East. And genuine reform in one of the worst nations. Obama's 'Arab Spring' wasn't all that great after all was said and done, was it?
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Male 3,822
stupid for the sake of stupid
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Female 469
It's hard to imagine a less accurate assessment of the situation in the Middle East than this post.
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Male 425
I guess Kushner suggested this?  He is, after all, in charge of brokering peace in the middle-east.
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Male 436
A great move. While increased aggression will be blamed on the move, it will have happened no matter what. You have to stand tall and strong against the oppressors. You can't give them an inch, they will never be satisfied.
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Female 469
johncourage Who do you think are the oppressors here?
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Male 436
DrCribbens Not, the innocent Israelis. They didn't attack anyone. They aren't bombing civilians. All they have done is defend themselves. Basically most nations in the world are trying to oppress Israel.
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Female 469
johncourage The Israelis aren't killing civilians? Really? Are you sure? You're not aware that Israeli troops have killed thousands upon thousands of Palestinian men, women and children? You've never heard of Baruch Goldstein? You didn't know about the Israeli rocket attack on the Palestinian school? How can you have an opinion on this and not know that? 
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Male 436
DrCribbens The Israelis are defending themselves. It is that simple. Stop attacking them.
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Female 469
johncourage But that's exactly the point. It isn't that simple, is it? Learn some history. Find out how you've been sold the idea that Israel is just defending itself at the same time that it continues to flout the Geneva Convention by annexing territories it occupied after invading them in 1967. It wasn't defending itself then any more than Germany was defending itself by invading Poland.
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Male 436
DrCribbens Israel was attacked in 1967. It did not invade any other nation. The correct analogy would be WWI and how the Treaty of Versailles stripped territory from the losing nation that instigated the conflict.
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Female 469
johncourage From the Wikipedia article: "...on 5 June Israel launched what it claimed were a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields... The Egyptians were caught by surprise, and nearly the entire Egyptian air force was destroyed with few Israeli losses, giving the Israelis air supremacy. Simultaneously, the Israelis launched a ground offensive into the Gaza Strip and the Sinai, which again caught the Egyptians by surprise. After some initial resistance, Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser ordered the evacuation of the Sinai. Israeli forces rushed westward in pursuit of the Egyptians, inflicted heavy losses, and conquered the Sinai."

"At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country.[122] The Israeli government later abandoned its initial position, acknowledging Israel had struck first"

What are now known as the Occupied Territories are the lands that Israel occupied as a result of this invasion, which led to millions of Palestinians having to flee their homes and their homeland.

So you're just plain wrong. Don't try to tell me that Israel are the victims here.
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DrCribbens From the Wikipedia article: "Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had defeated the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights."

While Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt after it ejected UN officials and assembled its military along the border, it did not attack Jordan until after they attacked.

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Female 469
johncourage So the country that Israel invaded called on its allies for help? Seems reasonable to me.

The fact is that Israel invaded another country and occupied territories that, 50 years later, they still occupy. In the process of occupation they displaced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes, many of whom have never been allowed to return. Instead, those Palestinian houses that the Israelis didn't bulldoze are now owned by Israeli occupiers, in direct contravention of the Geneva Convention.

And you wonder why some Palestinians resort to arms to try to restore their homeland?
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Male 436
DrCribbens So, Israel defended itself from neighboring aggression and is still defending itself from neighbors whose stated goals are death, not peace. Seems reasonable to me.
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Female 469
johncourage Even Israel admitted that they were the aggressors. I think you need to as well.

And the idea that the Palestinians' goal is death is frankly laughable. I realise that you've most probably been brought up on a diet of American pro-Israeli propaganda, but just think about it for a moment. I'm sure there are some psycho Palestinians that just want revenge, but I'm equally sure that the majority just want their homes back. The homes that were stolen from them 50 years ago by an invading force which then either bulldozed them or gave them to Israeli settlers.

Ask yourself: what would you do if a foreign power invaded your country and stole your family's home? Would you passively sit back and think 'ok, fair enough, maybe there's some kind of historical precedence for this, I'll just wait and see if the invaders will be kind enough to give me my house back'. Or would you fight for your country? When this invading force moved more and more people into your homeland and set up towns for its own citizens where your towns used to be, would you shrug and forget about it, or would you try to do something about it?

And yes, absolutely, unreservedly, the killing of civilians is wrong in every respect and could never be defended by a civilised person, and the people who carry out these crimes deserve to rot. I presume you would agree with that. But you need to understand that over 90% of the casualties in this war are Palestinian. Some years it's even higher. In 2014, 96 out of every hundred people killed in the war were Palestinian. And these Palestinian casualties aren't soldiers. The vast majority of them are civilians. So who is it exactly that deserves to rot?

So isn't there just part of you that wonders if the Palestinians have a point? Or that Israel might just not be the victims that they and the Americans want you to think they are, that they might in fact be the heavy handed oppressors of an entire nation?
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Male 436
DrCribbens Several nations were preparing to attack Israel. Israel preemptive their attack and responded to direct attacks also. Israel has been willing to discuss surrender of the occupied land but no other nations wants peace. They still want to destroy Israel. Those are the facts.
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Female 469
johncourage Repeating the same tired old mantra doesn't disguise the fact that you don't have a response for any of my points.
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Male 41,576
DrCribbens The PLO. Haven't you been paying attention since the 1960's?
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Female 469
5cats Your misunderstanding and naivety is staggering. Utterly staggering. You have no clue what's going on in the middle east. You just sit on your couch and suck up the American fake news like you're at your mother's tit. You have no concept of history and the reasons things are the way they are. Your claim that the PLO are oppressing people just illustrates your towering ignorance of this subject. Who the hell are the PLO supposed to be oppressing? The Israelis? That'll be the same way that the Jews oppressed the Nazis in the second world war then.

For fuck's sake, read a book and stop embarrassing yourself.
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Male 436
DrCribbens They oppress their own people, idiot.
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Female 469
johncourage Right. The Israelis aren't oppressing the Palestinians. The Palestinians are doing it to themselves. The Israelis are blameless. They aren't firing rockets into apartment buildings, that's the Palestinians with fireworks.
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Male 436
DrCribbens The Israelis have the right to defend themselves. The Palestinians are held hostage by all the surrounding nations that won't accept them. Maybe if they hadn't waged war against Israel then they wouldn't be in this situation.
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Male 41,576
johncourage The world has tried to give them an inch. They tried to give them over 90% of their demands... but they refused it.

So Israel took unilateral action and simply gave them the Gaza Strip (they complained that the synagogues were still standing and wanted the costs of tearing them down...) which is now the defacto Palestine homeland. That and Jordan...

Now they should simply unify Jerusalem under Israeli rule and put an end to the divisions of it. And annex the West Bank too. If Russia can do it? Why not everyone else?
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Male 721
When you claim achieving peace in the middle east is too easy and you wanna make it more of a challenge.
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Male 4,383
fuad119 I guess we'll see. Maybe he's just trying to fulfill another campaign promise, maybe they have something else cooked up. In all fairness nothing has worked up to this point.
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Male 721
trimble Heh.. I was being facetious.. Trump is a fucktard so I wouldn't say this is a good move..
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Male 4,383
Not a good move.
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Male 4,194
Trump is absolutely masterful at getting people to think about ANYTHING except his criminal activity.

Just wait till muelller gets into all Trump's money-laundering activities, Trump might have to start a war to keep people's thoughts away from his bank accounts.
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Male 5,186
As usual every president of the USA need a war to keep standing in the white house. Trump more than all others. He has been on the cliff of impeachment since the first day so he desperately need a war to stay in charge and since the world is not falling on the small dick fight between him and Kim he play the old Israel card. The evergreen card for every US president. 
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Male 102
piperfawn cliff of impeachment?  You live in a fairytale land of make-believe
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Male 41,576
grryan They really swallow the Kool-Aid hard, don't they?? lolz!

Meanwhile? The economy is going better than it has for 12 years: based on optimism and hope for the future, which Trump has been delivering steadily since he took office. Not perfect, but better than that stuttering clusterfuck ever did.
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Male 5,186
5cats Oh sure, also with Hitler the german economy was going very good...so? Who give a fuck about the economy results, that most probably have been built in the past years and not in the last months. You watch the economy but not the man.

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--insert comment that would be perceived as anti-Semitic here--

On a side note, trump looks like he's face planted in a pile of shit in the pic
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Male 41,576
layla_wilson Well that's about as anti-Semitic as you can possibly get... have you no shame at all?
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5cats replace "anti-Semitic" with the word "racist" or "homophobic" 

It doesn't make it the most racist or homophobic thing I could say does it?

Your such a bitter little snowflake it's almost cute :) maby you are a leftist liberal?
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Male 41,576
layla_wilson Because the homosexuals think the Western Wall is a sacred place? Black people think that??

You seem to have missed the point...
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5cats actually, it is you that has missed the point. I didn't say anything about the western wall. 

The western wall is a sacred place for black and homosexual Jews so your wrong with that  point anyway.

East Jerusalem was illegally annexed from Jordan, and isn't part of the state of Israel that was recognised by president Truman. Therefor it is illegal for Israel to claim the whole of Jerusalem as their own.
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Male 41,576
layla_wilson "...looks like he's face planted in a pile of shit in the pic"

That's the Western Wall, not a 'pile of shit' ok? Calling the WW a shit-pile is not exactly Halal ok?

If Russia can annex land? So can Israel. Face reality: borders change all over the world.
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5cats i didnt say the western wall was a pile of shit, i mearly said trump had face planted in some as his face is rather brown...

Crimea democratically voted to join russia, the majority of its citizens regard themselves as russian...
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Male 1,029
Not a way forward unless you are hoping for a surge in political ttension, admire corporate and nnational land grabs, and support war mongering.  There was a reason all peace negotiations left the Jerusalem question for later.  this will not solve the Israeli / Palestinian question.
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Male 41,576
punko What did Hillary or Kerry do for peace in their 4+4 years? What did Obama do?

Sweet fuck-all is what. Jewish civilians keep being targeted by PLO terrorists and the world collectively yawns...

Nothing tried so far has solved it. What do you propose? Doing the exact same thing which has FAILED UTTERLY for the past 35 years? At the cost of thousands of innocent lives? Or try something different? Not a rhetorical question.
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5cats Dude, Israel has killed considerably more Palestinians than the other way around. Not to mention that they've turned the Gaza Strip into, basically, a giant urban jail.

Neither side is innocent in that schmozzle that is the middle east.
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Male 41,576
barry9a Palestinians have killed FAR more of their own people than any accounting of IDF forces.
Most of the IDF 'kills' are completely justified targets, or human shields (mostly voluntary, some not though) and very rarely mistakes or atrocities.
The PLO? The number of non-atrocities is very tiny.

One side is one hell of a lot more innocent than the other side is. It's more than 9:1 ratio...
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5cats Dude, there isn't a "Good Guy" side in the middle east. That's the stuff of Hollywood movies. 
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5cats you are as blinded by propoganda as hardline communists and fascists.


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Male 41,576
layla_wilson Lolz! Nope. Guess again!
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Male 10,370
Why can't Jerusalem be an independent sovereign nation like Vatican City? It's too important to too many people for any one nation to own it. Doesn't that seem like a simple solution?
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holygod The various christian sects can't even agree to move a ladder; there really is no chance of a non-secular solution in the area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immovable_Ladder
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Male 41,576
holygod Run by whom? The UN? There already is a section of Jerusalem run by the UN... it is literally a hell-hole.
If there were a 'simple solution' don't you think someone would have proposed it by now? All the simple ones are failed or rejected by the PLO: only hard answers remain.
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Male 10,370
5cats Run by a council of 3 Palestinians, 3 Israelis, and a UN representative. Don't act like it is just the Palestinians. The Israelis wouldn't give up control for a compromise either.
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Male 41,576
holygod So run by Palestinians then? Not going to fly...

Why should Israel give up control of their own land to a hostile terrorist organization? That mystifies me... people constantly demand this.
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Male 10,370
5cats "Terrorist" is just a matter of perspective. It's a word for people that fight back with violence outside of the constructs of a traditional country / military.

If the U.S. was invaded and the government / military toppled the citizens that fought back would be called "terrorists" and "insurgents" by the invading force.

The revolutionaries were considered terrorists by the British. 
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Female 8,177
holygod Most of the time they still are LOL...
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Male 41,576
holygod Oh please! The PLO and Hamas are internationally named terrorist organizations and rightfully so. Spare me your false moral equivalence ok?

The US Continental Army put on uniforms, I don't see too many in the PLO wearing uniforms unless it's a parade safely inside Gaza...
The US CA fought the British Army and its allies, the PLO kills civilians almost exclusively: their own people most of all.
& etc. It's nonsense. 
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Male 10,370
5cats "put on uniforms" Are you joking? Brush up on your American history. A ton of them didn't have uniforms. They hid in the woods and shot marching soldiers dressed in red and then ran to the new hiding spot. Not following the traditional rules of engagement is one of the things that gave Americans an edge and swayed the war.

You ever seen "the patriot"? It's romanticized exaggerated fiction, but the basis is still accurate of how a lot of Americans fought the British.

I agree that the specific targeting of civilians is deplorable. However, if Palestinians just bombed Israeli soldiers you'd STILL call them "terrorists" and you know it.
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Male 41,576
holygod No I don't 'know it' because that is YOUR imagination. I am quite sick of being told imaginary things that I believe in, and being attacked for them.

Jordan, Syria, Egypt and several other nations have invaded Israel over the years and that wasn't 'terrorism' even though civilians were killed. They were uniformed armies with decent ROE. The PLO have never in all this time put a uniform on, raised a flag and said "Let the armies fight and the civilians be safe!". They hide behind human shields on purpose, they target civilians on purpose and they are terrorists by design.

You can live in a fantasy world where the PLO acts with honor and courage, but that's just delusional and NOT reality in any way, shape or form. You have to admit that, yes?
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Male 10,370
5cats Fair enough. I by no means support terrorist action in any way or targeting of civilians in any way. However, I also think the Palestinians have been fucked over and this is not as black and white as you seem to think it is.
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Male 10,370
5cats It was someone else's homeland before that. Don't you get that and sympathize a little? Imagine there was a war and then afterward the powers that be just gave Canada to the Norwegians. You going to leave without fighting for it?
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Male 41,576
holygod Cananites are long gone, like 3000 years ago dude.

Every single scrap of arable land on Earth has had blood shed over it. How far back does one need to go to decide who 'owns it now'? The Jews have lived there for over 3000 years, same language, same religion, same race. There was no such thing as a 'Palestinian' until very recently, and they surely did not exist before Islam started...

The UN said it belongs to Israel, what higher authority do you want?
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Male 5,186
5cats Jews...a race? 3000 years ago? What you smoke? Give me the name of your pusher. 3000 years ago jews where everyone who folowed that religion, no race involved. In a place without any kind of science developped and where the biggest occupation was breeding some sheep you think that people was aware of the concept of race? The sionist have implemented the idea of race for the jews and guess what? Sionist have opened the way to fascism and nazism. You pretend to be the good jew but you are not, you are a sionist deep inside your soul, not much different from the islamic extremist. Sionism, fascism, nazism, radical islam are all a face of the same medal, the aberration of an idea and a religion.

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Male 41,576
piperfawn A 'people' then. Just like the Mennonites ok?

Hey! What are the Palestinians then? Why do you have one rule for them and a different rule for Jews? Oh right, you're the biggest anti-Semite on IAB, although layla is giving you a run for it... :-/
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Male 5,186
5cats Palestinians are semites exactly like jews. I can't be an anti semites if I'm against the real antisemites, the sionists, like you. 
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Male 1,283
holygod TOO simple...
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Male 10,370
Nothing takes the attention off investigations like war in israel.
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Male 1,381
Advisor: Mr.President, the tension in the region couldn't possibly be higher...
Trump: Hold my KFC bucket
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Male 1,089
End this possibility of peace business. 
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Male 102
marsii if you want the land, take the land.  There cannot be peace between them, they are like oil and water
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Male 41,576
grryan There could easily be peace! If the PLO stopped killing Jews? There would be peace in a week. But they refuse to do so...
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Male 357
grryan Everyone already tried that, didn't work. That is why there is the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
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Male 41,576
taxidriver Not even close, your ignorance is deplorable! Lolz!
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