Texas Substitute Teacher Thought 6-Year-Old Muslim Boy With Down Syndrome Was A Terrorist

Submitted by: fancylad 2 weeks ago in News & Politics


Do we have another Ahmed 'Clock Bomb' Mohamed-like situation on our hands?
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Male 716
Actually agree with 5cats here. Big difference between clock boy and this kid. Clock boy seemed like a hoax to get attention they got away with. And to counter people wouldn't do that, think Balloon Boy or Shannon Mathews people doing it for profit. Think the Trump Fire or the Islamic women claiming to be attacked by Trump supporters which was fake and people doing it to paint as nasty and themselves as victims. 

Clock boy was warned earlier in the day by one of his teachers not to show the clock/set it off etc. He then did later to different teacher. Purposefully obstructive in the investigation by school then police. And the device looked like a fake bomb for the general population.  They done very well out of it. I have not seen any compellong evidence in any narrative that doesnt make me think it was a hoax that went further than expected. 

This kid different story. Should have been handeld differently if they kid did infact say Allah boom...and thats to say some sort look should be made in same way if kid said "daddy pain ""mummy ouch" etc words ypud want to try and find the origin.
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Male 41,618
jayme21 Quite right, this child seems to have done absolutely nothing wrong, even if he did say those words he's alleged to have said, he's 6!
Ahmed's family has a history of agitation, the father and older sister were both very active. And yes they've make a pile of money off it.

That 'damning' photo of Ahmed in handcuffs? The family asked the police to put them on him so they could take that picture... & etc.
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Male 41,618
Ahmed (aka: clock-boy):
- comes from a family of agitators
- took a clock's workings and put it into a different container
- it looks a lot like a bomb, or an IED
- took it to school and showed everyone who'd look
- set the alarm off during class (possibly 2-3 times)
- was subject to the (Liberal-left!) zero-tolerance polices
- had his parents called and was released
- Praised by Obama, he later moved with his family to a radical Islamic nation

This kid: 
- a much younger, disabled kid who did nothing at all.
- was subject to the (Liberal-left!) zero-tolerance policies

And.. they're both Muslims... there the similarity ends. :-/

Must be... Trump's fault! Really FancyLad? Honestly now...
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Male 6,129
5cats My only objection to your comment is the reference to "liberal left" since the right has classically been far less tolerant of Muslims than the left. I would say it's more that he was subjected to insane stupidity.
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Male 41,618
broizfam happy to explain that!
The (far-left liberal) teachers unions, in an effort to circumvent the 2nd Amendment, have been pushing anti-gun propaganda for decades now. Part of that is 'zero tolerance' for ANY sort of gun. Including a pop-tart nibbled into an "L" shape.
That includes knives and explosives of any kind.
So when they SEE any sort of gun, knife or explosive? They MUST follow a rigid protocol to the letter. No room for common sense or individual circumstances, which is what 'conservatives' would promote, eh?

It has nothing to do with Muslims, and everything to do with politics. But it is the baby of the liberal-left without any doubt!

A kid writes, for a class assignment, a story about shooting a dinosaur. He got arrested and then suspended for a week. And he didn't even have a fake gun!
http://thelibertydoll.com/2014/08/20/teen-arrested-suspended-shooting-dinosaur-writing-assignment/

Strangely? Obama did NOT invite him to the White House...
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Male 10,393
5cats I completely agree with you. Ahmed did nothing special and was trying to cause some shit. 
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Male 41,618
holygod And I should emphasise (as I did above)  that this boy here didn't do anything wrong, even if he did say those words (which is highly doubtful) he's just 6!
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Male 3,847
5cats you got served by fancylad
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Male 41,618
rumham ?? Huh? What? Could you at least address ONE point I've made?
Or is hate-trolling all you have left now?
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Male 420
This is what propaganda results in, folks. 
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Male 40,605
Maybe there are Toddler Terrorists.
Here's a video released by ISIS of a baby beheading a teddy bear


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Gerry1of1 that's hilarious,

Just "bear" in mind that more people in America die at the hands of toddlers than terrorists
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Male 41,618
layla_wilson What drugs are you on? They must make LSD look like cough syrup...
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5cats https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/08/trump-muslim-terrorists-gun-violence-america-deaths

Toddlers kill more in America than terrorists. Fact. But LSD laced cough syrup sounds awesome, you got any?
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Male 10,393
layla_wilson That's just fake news. 5cats only believes propaganda.
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Female 8,184
5cats - it's perfectly true- check it out

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Male 6,129
I'm thinking the teacher is significantly more mentally challenged than the child.
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Male 442
I think if you are indoctrinating your child into the cult of Islam then you probably aren't fit parents.
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Male 3,847
johncourage you need more fiber in your diet cause clearly you are backed up
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Male 10,393
johncourage I'm going to share something with you that as an ignorant redneck I'm sure you don't know. Allah is the Jehovah of the Christian and Jewish holy books. They all worship the same entity. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran 187 times.
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Male 442
holygod I'm going to share something with you that as an ignorant progressive I'm sure you don't know. Islam is not Christianity. They are different. Islam is a cult.

All this uproar over one little truthful comment. Would it have been ten times worse if I had written something about your spaghetti sky monster?
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Male 10,393
johncourage I never said islam is christianity. Islam is christianity the same way judaism is christianity. However that doesn't change the fact that they all worship the same god.
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Male 442
holygod Nor, does it change the fact that all three are completely different.
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Male 10,393
johncourage all three religions? Yes! They are very different ways of worshipping the same god.
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Male 41,618
holygod Claiming they worship the same identical God is exactly like saying they are the same religion. Just different branches, like Baptists or Presbyterians: THEY worship the same God, and are both Christian Churches, yes? 
But the God they worship doesn't care which hand they wipe their ass with, that's Allah and he is ONLY worshiped by Muslims, not by Christians or Jews. Period! Stop your nonsense...
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Male 10,393
So catholics and baptists are worshiping DIFFERENT gods because they worship in different ways?
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Male 41,618
holygod That is the opposite of what I just said. You are being a jerk now. We've gone over all this before and you still cannot admit how wrong you are.
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Male 10,393
5cats and the Christian god doesn't care if you eat shrimp or pork but the Jewish God does. Are you saying Christians and Jews worship different gods?
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Male 41,618
holygod yes they do! Finally!
Of course Christians think otherwise, but Jews will happily tell you they do not worship 'the exact same God' as the Christians do.
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Male 10,393
5cats OK. Well that is certainly your interpretation. I think most theologians disagree with your assessment. 

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Male 41,618
holygod Christains say they worship the same God, Jews say they do not. Simple.

If you can find one 'theologian' who says the Jews worship both Jesus and Allah? I'll be shocked! Since, by definition, they'd no longer BE Jews but Christians or Muslims...

I'm thinking you're being 'this way' on purpose now...
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Male 2,719
5cats "Christains say they worship the same God, Jews say they do not. Simple."

They all worship Abraham's god, in different ways.

The religions aren't the same, but the god they worship is supposed to be.
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Male 10,393
5cats Let me repeat this ever so simply:

I.
AM.
NOT.
TALKING.
ABOUT.
JESUS.

I'm just talking about his dad.

Allah is the god from the Torah. "Allah" just means god in Arabic. Arabic Jews and Christians referred to god as "allah" before muslims even existed.
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Male 41,618
holygod Jesus IS GOD for Christians. The Trinity is Catholic, but the idea that God and Jesus are part of the same being is not.
You cannot talk about Christianity without CHRIST ok? There's no point to doing so! It's like talking about Islam without mentioning Mohammed or anything he said or did... not much left after taking out the most important part eh?

Just because the words translate to similar English words? Doesn't mean they refer to the same being... this is nonsense from you now, high-school theology level stuff. Stop it, it's deliberate and offensive now.

Weren't you a stickler about the word "unicorn" too? :-x

And I keep repeating it, and you keep ignoring it: YES! Allah is God (but not Jesus) and Jehovah in the Muslim belief system. ONLY there. That does NOT make it universal! It does not mean Christians or Jews believe in Allah OR His writings OR His prophet. 
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Male 10,393
5cats Of course Mohamed is part of Islam. However Allah and Mohamed are no the same thing. I don't think most Christians consider God and Jesus the same thing. Jesus is the son of god. 

Jews and Christians DO believe in Allah, just not some of the things Muslims wrote about him just like Jews believe in Jehovah, but not some of the things Christians wrote about him. The entity is the same it is just the interpretations of him that are different. It is like comparing the 70s TV show Batman, the Batman & Robin Batman, and The Dark Knight Batman. All very different interpretations, but they are all Batman.

We can agree to disagree on this I suppose. Thanks for the lively conversation.
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Male 41,618
holygod Ask a Christian who they worship: It's right there in the name ffs...
Ask any Muslim who The Prophet is, they all agree.

Jews and Christians believe Muslims believe in Allah. Just like they believe in Vishnu or Set. They do not acknowledge Allah as the Creator nor do they worship Allah. Ok? Period! End of story!

They were played by 3 different actors: they were not "the same person" in any way other than name. They had different writers, artists, plot-lines and etc. The same name does not mean the TV show had the Dark Knight in it, correct? Because no one had created the Dark Knight yet... it is impossible. They are not 'interchangable' either.

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Male 3,812
holygod 

" I'm going to share something with you that as an ignorant progressive I'm sure you don't know. Islam is not Christianity. They are different. Islam is a cult. "

Good grief that is the dumbest troll comment I have read in awhile.  Islam is no more a cult than Christianity is, or any other religion...he just wants a cookie I guess...
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Male 10,393
kalron27 I wouldn't call it a troll comment. I'm sure that is what he genuinely believes. We're just getting insight into how Trump got elected. People like this infect our country.
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Male 5,313
holygod I don’t understand all the uproar over your comment. All three religions believe in one God. The people claiming the three religions are not worshiping the same deity are pretty much saying one of the religions is right and two are wrong. Also your Batman analogy was brilliant in its simplicity. It showed how it’s the same God, just written differently. I think the core of the resistance is a bigotry against Muslims and their faith. I bet if in a few days you say the Jewish God and the Christian God are the same, there won’t be an issue.
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Male 41,618
markust123 So ALL monotheists everywhere worship the same God now? Do tell!
Are Christians required by their God to circumcise their infants? (like Jews) or their teenagers (like Muslims)? No?
Then how can you claim they worship the exact same God then? It's just stupid to say so.
Ask any Christian if he worships Allah, or is allowed to have 4 wives... I think the billions of people who follow their religions knew a LOT more about it than some atheist idiot does.

I refuted the 'batman' analogy already, it was extremely stupid.

Muslims: Believe they worship the same God as Jews and Christians, this is true. However? It is ONLY true FOR Muslims! NOT for anyone else. Get it yet? Mohammed wrote the Koran specifically to envelope previous belief systems to remove them from competition with his. Similar to how Christians took parts of the OT but discarded other parts. But that doesn't mean that Jews believe Jesus is the Son Of God... and neither do the Muslims btw.

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Male 5,313
5cats As usual, you're arguing against something neither holygod or I is saying. There is only one God. The way man wrote the holy books is what is different. The rules man wrote for God is what is different. It is God who is infallible not man. The vast differences in religions shows how wrong man can be. We won't know which religion got what parts, if any, right until we die.
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Male 41,618
markust123 And as usual you've ignored every word I've said and made shit up to cover that.
There is only One god you say? the Hindus and Zoroastrians and Buddhists and a host of others (African Pagans) will be really shocked to hear that! 
meanwhile, stop going OFF topic and try to keep up with the adults as we talk ok? good boy.

that sounds like Deism (my faith) BTW and we Deists would not go around telling OTHER religions who THEIR God is or is not. that would be stupid, as you have illustrated...
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Male 10,393
markust123 Yep. Bigots gonna bigot.
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Male 1,833
holygod  u are right the Quran states that they are the same  and not just similer.                 "YoYUSUFALI: And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).”
PICKTHAL: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.
SHAKIR: And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit".– Source: Quran, Sura (chapter) 29:46


    Not a scholar  but this is a conversation I believe between some big wig christian and a big wig Muslim the  Muslim is telling that he counts there god to be the same one. There were other examples where I got this saying the same thing at least on the Muslim side.  I believe in this quote (The People of the Book) is the Christians.

  So it seams clear of the intent that its the same god.
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Male 4,244
casaledana My guess is the "people of the book" would be the jews, but close enough.  It would still mean they are all worshipping the same god.
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Male 41,618
daegog Your mother sucks cock for $2 or less... 
You have nothing to say that is worth listening to.
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Male 4,244
5cats Who keeps messing with your meds?  You are not sane, you need stronger meds and a better doctor.  They still have insane asylums in canada?
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Male 41,618
daegog Ah, more personal attacks! How mature of you!
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Male 10,393
5cats LOL. Are you literally two different people? Is this a jeckyl / hyde situation? How else can you be this oblivious?
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Male 41,618
holygod I'm sick of his spamming IAB with the same hate-comments. Is spamming something you support? Is hate?
Only if the targets are ones you also hate I guess... thus you support that.

I reply to different people in different ways, don't you? Why yes you surely do! It's called 'being human' and there's nothing abnormal about it at all.
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Male 10,393
5cats well if someone hasn't read his comments in a different thread and just sees your response to him here you look like a raving lunatic. Do you see that?

Try to interact with people according to their actions in the thread. You and I do that. We'll be hurling obscenities at each other in one thread while having a perfectly civil discussion in another.
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Male 41,618
holygod Oh I've tried that for years now. Some respond well to it. Others? Like daegog? Seem to double up on their abuse when I'm polite to them, they see it as weakness or something :p Ask Markust, he's one of them too, IDK why he's like that.
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Male 5,313
5cats Again you are confusing me calling out your misinformation as abuse. I’ve asked and you’ve never been able to show an example of me attacking you. If you don’t like people “attacking” you, all you have to do is start being a better person.
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Male 41,618
markust123 All I have to do is obey your rules and never say a contrary word, ever again! 
But that's not fucking going to happen, you have no right to censor me and it's fucking rude to demand it like you repeatedly have.

Call out my what? Your opinion is not my problem. 
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Male 5,313
5cats Your dishonesty is like a magnet that pulls me in. I don’t know why I can’t resist calling your misinformation and disinformation out. But every time I do, you just twist and turn and slither yourself in deeper. Our interactions definitely aren’t healthy. Everything else in my life is so good right now. It’s time to cut your toxic nature out of the picture. Take care, IAB.
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Male 41,618
markust123 Please do! Do resist it and do ignore my commentary if it offends you so much.

it's you that has the problem here, not me.

Glad you are doing well otherwise! Maybe this is 'cathartic' for you? But do that stuff with others if you cannot handle the truth or the facts.
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Male 1,058
5cats 5cats 2 hours ago
daegog Your mother sucks cock for $2 or less... 
You have nothing to say that is worth listening to.

Personal attacks? Who started that exchange, eh buddy?
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Male 41,618
buttersrules He did. Any further questions? :-)
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Male 5,313
5cats Daegog did not attack you first. Not one comment of his in this post was directed at you until YOU attacked him.
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Male 41,618
markust123 So says Mr.Bias himself! The guy who claims he's NEVER ONCE ATTACKED ME! Who asked you to referee? To act as Judge and Jury? Not me for fuck's sake.

What utter bullshit. And boring too, so deadly predictably dull...
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Male 4,244
buttersrules He's not right in the head.  He isn't a troll, he is literally just a piss-on-the-drapes kind of insane person.  Dunno how he isn't in a padded room 24/7.
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Male 41,618
daegog Ah! More personal attacks! No wonder those other hate-mongers agree with you.
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holygod I don't think so.  just look at the basic messages;  Allah says there is no god but allah and Jehovah tells Moses that he isn't to put any other gods before him (essentially stating that there are other gods, but he's numero uno).  Further on, Jehovah states something to the effect of his putting other beings in place, but he's supervising.  Very different basic messages here.  Rabbis would disagree with you as well, if you ask, but theres a deal of antagonism there, so there might be some bias.

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kelly_hanna
a) You can believe in Crom the God of Iron and Swords, but Crom is not a god like Elohim. 
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b) God is every god, but not every god is God. You should not deal with mere fragments and reflections of his light, they only lead astray.

Possibly both, depending on the god you're talking about.
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Male 41,618
kelly_hanna Don't waste your time, that guy is an idiot.
He honestly believes that Allah is the God of Jews and Christians. He's said so many times and argued fiercely! Even though it's blatantly a lie.
He's just a pot-head with a big axe to grind, I try to cut him some slack but usually ignore him for months on end.

Welcome to IAB! There are good people here, honest! :-)

For the record? The Koran specifically says Jesus is 'just a prophet' and NOT the Son of God. Mohammed wrote it with the destruction of both Judaism and Christianity in mind: it is designed to contradict them. It has nothing at all to do with the Gospels, the Torah or any scripture before it. It only applies to Muslims and no one else.
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Male 10,393
5cats 

1. What happened? You were doing so well and now you've swung back to shit-head, insulting, arrogantly ignorant troll 5Cats. Why?

2. I don't drink or do drugs. I haven't smoked pot in 3 or 4 years.

3. Allah and Jehovah are the same entity. It isn't up to debate, its' just a fact. Anyone who understands theology even a bit knows that. 

4. There is a ton of divergence between the three religions in a ton of different ways, but god is one of the things they have in common.
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Male 41,618
holygod 1. You're being rude and ignorant again, to a newcomer this time, what do you expect? 
2. Last I heard you were happily telling everyone about how much pot you'd huff in a day, I don't really know or care, it does explain a lot though.
3. No. Jehovah doesn't care what hand you wipe your ass with, does He? no? Then no.
4. monotheism: DUH. You cannot be that dumb by accident, you must be doing it on purpose or by intoxication of some form or another... high on life maybe? :-)
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5cats 

1. How was I rude to him? Where? I might have been a little cocky, but other people's self-righteous ignorance tends to bring that out of me. Also, just in case you didn't look at the time stamps, he called me a "Hippie, uneducated, moron" before I ever responded to him. So......?

2. "Last I heard you were happily telling everyone about how much pot you'd huff in a day" Nope. Absolutely nope. Not sure who you are thinking of, but it ain't me. I've never in my life smoked much. I don't think I've smoked more than once a month since high school. I do however think it might be good for you. Pot mellows people out. Have you ever tried it to regulate your manic tendencies? I mean that seriously. It could help.

3. Do you agree that god in the torah and new testament are the same god? Yes right? Even though tonally they are very different and have different rules? Same thing.

4. Their god is what they have in common. Not sure what that comment was in regards to unless you misread or misunderstood my comment.

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Male 4,244
kelly_hanna Your biblical knowledge is incredibly lacking.  You have not read the bible or you are not being honest.

First:

From the bible:

  1. "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
  2. "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
  3. "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
  4. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
  5. "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
  6. "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10

When the bible says, thou shall have no other gods before me, it is acknowledging that you can worship anything as a god, it is not directly stating there are other gods.

This is evidenced by the line in Exodus 20:23
"Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold."


Second: Jesus son of Mary is the Messiah of Islam.  Jesus son of Mary is the Messiah of Christianity.  It is the same religion.  Allah MEANS God.  No other entity in the Koran is named as the messiah.

Ben & Jerry, Haagen-Daaz, and Breyers all make vanilla bean ice cream.  They give it different names, they taste slightly different, but it is all just the same vanilla bean ice cream.
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Male 41,618
daegog They are identical? You claim they are interchangeable? Chemical tests cannot tell them apart, ever?
If I buy B&J then I cannot tell the difference from the other 2 products? They are THE SAME? In fact they all come from the same factory? Out of the same machine from the exact same ingredients? The only difference being the labels attached?
No.
The Monotheism is "the same" but Jehovah doesn't care which hand you wipe your ass with. Period.
End of your fucking nonsense.
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Male 433
5cats If you are in the desert without toilet paper, you should care about which hand to use for cleaning your behind.

The God of Abraham is the God of Abraham is the God of Abraham.
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Male 41,618
7eggert That isn't the question here: do all 3 Gods demand their worshipers wipe their ass ONLY with the left hand or they will burn in hell for all eternity?
Show me where it says that in the Torah. Show me in the New Testament. no? Then they are obviously different Gods!

Muslims believe they are one and the same, that's true... FOR MUSLIMS ONLY. It doesn't alter the beliefs of Jews or Christians.
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kelly_hanna They are both abrahamaic religions though, so there is a great deal of similarity.  Such as mohammed stating that the angel Gabriel recited the Koran to him.  and of course, the Christians have the angel Gabriel.  Both religions have the same roots, but have fundamental differences.  Hippie, uneducated, morons like to say that everybody worships the same god though, so they can feel good about themselves

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Male 41,618
kelly_hanna That guy is even worse! He's a hate-troll and cannot tell the truth even if his life depended on it.
Sorry there's such horrible people here, but FancyLad lets all voices be heard... which is what makes IAB a good place!

Of course the IAB Liberals constantly demand that I (and any other 'right winger') be censored or banned, but that's another story...
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Male 10,393
5cats I can't think of anyone asking for anyone to be censored or banned except fo you when you go on your tirades talking about people fucking their mothers and telling people to kill themselves and using racial and homophobic slurs. 

You being a conservative has nothing to do with it. megrendel is a conservative, trimble is a conservative, dromed is a conservative, ask them how often people have said they should be banned.

Drop the persecution complex and just don't act like an asshole.
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Male 41,618
holygod Actually I have seen trimble and Grendel be targeted for requsts of censorship or 'restrictions' (ie: banning, just different language). Not often, but yes. And some others in the past too, like CrakrJak for example...

So... yes, being a conservative does have 'something to do with it' because that's how the liberal-left operates. The opposition need not be refuted or disproven: only silenced. But threat or by force.

So why don't you stop being an asshole, ok?
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holygod You cannot think of it, therefor it does not exist.

Logic!

And I don't know more about it than you do, because I'm stupid, right? You always know more about everything than I do, including the comments I make and the comments I've read. ALWAYS!

You have read every comment ever made on IAB for the past 9+ years and can, without fear of contradiction, say for certain that NO ONE has EVER asked that I be banned, censored or otherwise restricted...
Even though you yourself have done so on multiple occasions. Those were 'justified' you see? And thus don't count. Because the end justifies the means!

Fuck off with that shit, ok? You sound like an ignoramus... (look it up)
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Male 10,393
5cats Ughhhhh. You are off the rails on this thread man.

"You cannot think of it, therefor it does not exist."
Didn't say that.

"And I don't know more about it than you do"
Didn't say that.

"I'm stupid, right"
Didn't say that, but yes.

"You always know more about everything than I do"
Didn't say that. You know more than I do on several subjects I'm sure. Crazy right wing conspiracies, anime, canada, gas stations, etc.

"You have read every comment ever made on IAB for the past 9+ years"
Didn't say that.

"say for certain that NO ONE has EVER asked that I be banned, censored or otherwise restricted..."
Actually I said 100% that people HAVE said you should be censored or banned. Did you even read my comment? What the fuck are you talking about?
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Male 41,618
holygod Repeating your lies isn't changing anything. Ignoring the points I make does not count as refuting or rebutting them, it just means you failed yet again.

"except for..." but that is FALSE. They have asked for a variety of other 'reasons' and that is the truth you've glossed over. By claiming (as you did) that there were only valid reasons to ask for my banning you IGNORE those other times when there were NO valid ones. Which is what I'm pointing out: you don't know ALL the times! You act like you do though, with such blanket statements.

By claiming I have a 'persecution complex' you imply that there are NO invalid requests for my banning/censoring. You also imply that you KNOW the truth about every single one of those requests, since you claim NONE exist which would justify my feeling of being unjustly persecuted. (your claim, not mine).

Simple, yet you need it explained as if you were 11...
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Male 10,393
kelly_hanna 

Nothing you just said contradicts my statement in any way. But super thanks for chiming in. I didn't say they are the exact same, are interpreted the same, or are written about the same. There is a fuck-ton of differences between the books.

What I said: "Batman is the hero in both Batman Returns and The Dark Knight Rises"

What you said: "Nu uh cuz in one his head can turn and in the other it can't plus the cars are different"


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holygod So youre saying that the bible and Koran and what they have to say are irrelevant that really, deep down, YOU know its the same dude, just wearing a different hat.  That's just asinine.  That's like saying Zeus and Odin were the same god.  To be honest, I'm willing to bet none of them are real, but that's beside the point.  All we have to go on here is what the varying holy books said.  And they have very different messages about very different gods.  The religions and messages are different,hence we have to accept theyre different dudes, given that neither likely actually exists.
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kelly_hanna 

1. I completely agree they don't exist.

2. Let me give you an analogy. 3 different people write books about Santa. All 3 books are very different. Different characteristics, different stories, different character. They are all about the same guy though right? They are all Santa aren't they?

The Quran, Torah, and New Testament are three different ways to worship the god of Abraham. Three different interpretations. That's all. Same god. 
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holygod Not even remotely true, it's idiotic. Even I thought you were better than that, and I think you're pretty much at the intellectual bottom...

The real analogy (taking yours): 
Jews = Superman
Christians = Fantastic 4 (well 3, but lets not fuss over small details!)
Muslims = Batman

And you claim all 3 are 'the same guy'? It's just so... obviously wrong! We say they aren't the same because they aren't! You have to prove they are identical, it isn't on us to disprove anything.

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5cats Jesus mother fucking Christ. Where did I say Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the same? I said the deity is the same. The way they worship him, relate to him, and their stories about him vary to various degrees. 

You get streaks where you are great to converse with and then all of a sudden you'll have some sort of mental break and come shit all over the thread. It's obnoxious.
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holygod You have said Jehovah, God (Christ and the Holy Spirit) and Allah are THE SAME ENTITY on multiple occasions. One person (being, whatever).
And... here you do so yet again! Proving me right.
Don't change the subject.

WHERE did I say "YOU said 'Jews and Christians and Muslims' are the same"? Huh? Why would I claim such a thing? You are accusing me of imaginary statements and then crowing about how you've disproven... something I never once said? You talk about versions of 'Batman' (a singular person, not a race or religion or group of millions of people) which means J/G/A (singular) not the 3 religions (plurality) and THAT is what I addressed directly.
Jews = Superman means the God of the Jews (the entity they worship) is "like superman"... and etc.
I even say "the same GUY (singular)" how hard is that to figure out? Why do I have to explain really simple shit like that? They worship there DIFFERNET GUYS entirely, THAT is my point here. ONLY the Muslims claim they are 'the same dude'. NOT the Jews. NOT the Christians. Period!
And you wonder why I get upset? Really?
And you wonder why I choose to ignore your ongoing, unchanging nonsense after I get tired (bored) of it?

And you claim to not drink booze or huff the dope? And I'm supposed to believe that based on nonsense like THIS?

At least I admit I have mental issues and brain damage... I don't lie about it... and no, it does not invalidate my facts in the slightest. That would be an attack on my disability, yes? To claim I'm wrong only because I'm ill somehow = not logic ok? Perhaps that is so obvious we can agree on that?

AND! though all of this you IGNORE the fact that the Koran does NOT say Jesus is the Son of God and the Saviour (the foundation of Christianity), it repeatedly specifically says he is JUST another prophet. Why do you avoid that? Why change the subject so... desperately?
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5cats Why the fuck do you keep bringing up Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus. Of course they don't think Jesus is the son of god. Neither do the Jews. So you are telling me the god from the torah and bible aren't the same?
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holygod But by talking about the Christian God you ARE TALKING ABOUT JESUS TOO. He is God too! And the Holy Spirit as well. That is the entirety of Christianity: Jesus is the Son of God. That is NOT believed by Muslims or Jews, they worship different Gods.

Muslims believe the 3 are the same entity: Jehovah IS God IS Allah. Jesus is NOT the Son or the Savior, that Redeemer has yet to arrive on Earth. Mohammed is the last and best Prophet.

Christians: believe Jehovah is also their God, and is the Father of Jesus. They do not believe in anything about Allah, or Mohammed's writings either.

Jews: believe in Jehovah, not Jesus, not Allah, not Mohammed.

So how you can claim that all 3 are 'the same Guy' is only applicable if you are a Muslim. You can repeat it until you're blue in the ass but it is still nonsense to everyone else.

They are not "all versions of Batman" they are 3 completely different entities. All 3 may be "superheroes" but that's where it ends.
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5cats Muslims do not believe the Christian god is allah.  I spent a tour in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, learned Arabic as part of my job over there.  They'd drag you out into the desert, torture you for awhile and then behead you for even asking that as a question.  There are a number of differences, they believe allah is unknowable, there is no such thing as a relationship with allah.  unlike all the people who claim to know jesus and god and have a personal relationship.  And the whole monotheistic, jesus being the son of god.  while there are many references to jesus in the Koran, they believe he was only a prophet, albeit a great one.  The very concept of allah having children is a great sin in islam.
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kelly_hanna I wish someone would drag that stalker out into the desert and 'teach him' all about Allah!! lolz!!

Anyhow that is what I've been saying all along: Allah is not God/Jesus/Spirit is not Jehovah.
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Male 3,847
holygod true christians get to pick and choose what is real... lmao lol rofl
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rumham Yes they do. Why should they not?
And Muslims get to, and Hindus get to. And Jews get to. And Atheists get to... AND YOU GET TO AS WELL.
Shall I go on? Or do you 'get it' yet?
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5cats bengahzi?
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Male 41,618
rumham Yup, hate-troll. 
Back to oblivion, and stop using puppets please, it's just boring now.
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Male 3,847
5cats yes puppets.. wow dude get a life. you freak out about the dumbest shit. and yeah puppets
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Male 10,393
johncourage God you're disgusting. Are you old? You're probably old right? Any health conditions we can be optimistic about?
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holygod Yes, I do have cancer. So, you've got that going for you.
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johncourage I am so sorry to hear that. And I can see why the partisan world of politics would draw you in - it's an outlet for anger. But we have such little time on this planet. Wouldn't it be healthier to get away from the negative influences that are making you say the bigoted things above? Wouldn't it be better to go out and learn the good in people? A positive environment brings positive results.
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markust123 Thank you, but nothing I said is bigoted and I hold no anger in my heart.
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holygod Wow, personal insults and wishing he would die. That's nearly your lowest comment here, but there are many worse so there's that...
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5cats And that's worse than you telling people to "kill themselves" how captain hypocrite?
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holygod I did it as an example of how I was treated by others, namely people like you. 
How does me being 'worse' justify your deeds?
AND so what? That changes the words you said somehow? That justifies what you said? To a complete stranger you unleash that sort of personal attack and insult just because your 'points' are refuted and disproven?

"5Cats said something, once, to someone else, ages ago... therefor I can personally insult anyone I disagree with all I like! And wish they would get sick and die." - stalker logic.
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5cats 

1. "an example of how I was treated by others" well if nobody has ever told you to kill yourself, which I have never seen, then how is that an "example"?

2. "namely people like you" BULL SHIT. I have never said anything remotely as cruel to you.

3. "personal attack and insult". Sorry, when assholes die the world becomes a little bit better. We aren't all precious little snowflakes with something of value. 

4. "your 'points' are refuted and disproven" He refuted and disproved my points? By calling a religion a "cult"?
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holygod 1. I've been wished death many times, some before you even came here.

2. you've said some of the worst shit I've ever read here, and you defended it! Doubled down! Endlessly and without remorse! Not specifically "kys" style but even more egregious and offensive.

3. Didn't you just claim you didn't wish for my death? Yet in the next breath...

4. I've refuted and disproven them, IDK about him I don't speak for him. I don't defend his words, don't try to entangle me in that as a form of deflection, ok? It's really transparent of you...
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5cats 

2. What? And don't say "attacking my disability" because we've been down this road 100 times and it's complete bullshit. I'm not sure what you would consider more egregious then telling someone to kill themselves. That's pretty much the worse thing I can think of to say to another human being.

3. I don't wish for anyone's death. I'm just acknowledging that when people who don't put out a net positivity into the world die the world gets a little bit better.

4. Don't speak for him? You said: "That justifies what you said? To a complete stranger you unleash that sort of personal attack and insult just because your 'points' are refuted and disproven?" You AREN'T talking about him? 

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holygod 2. You have your opinion, I have mine.

3. You spend great deals of time libeling and degrading me and saying what an asshole I am (to paraphrase, you may not have used that specific word. I know how hard it is for you to understand this concept though, so I have to spell it out like this) and then say "when assholes die the world becomes a little better"... and then double down on that claim, while claiming it somehow isn't about me...

4. I'm talking about him, not about what he said. I am speculating as to your motives, it's true, but you haven't denied it so... and it fits your pattern to a "T".
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johncourage I would say the fitness of those parents are the same as those who indoctrinate their kids into a death cult like Christianity 
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PosisDas Christianity is hardly a death cult. Now if you are talking about a christian family that will never speak to their child again if they stop going to church then you almost have an accurate analogy, but to be truly accurate the christian family would need to beat and rape the child because they stopped going to church like muslims do. Even the ones here in the US will physically abuse those that stop worshipping allah.
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johncourage There are 1.6 billion muslims on the planet. The vast majority aren't anything like what you describe. How sad it must be to be such an ignorant and bigoted person with such fear of his fellow man. Get out of the right wing bullshit bubble and go meet a real life muslim in person.

They are no more / less ridiculous then a christian or jew.
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holygod The Koran requires a good Muslim parent to kill his child if they fail to follow Islam upon becoming an adult. Beating and punishing can come first of course.
You fail to grasp why there are so many 'honor killings' by parents on their own children (even in Canada and the USA) every year. That's one reason why.

Do ALL Muslims agree with that? No, but hundreds of millions do, at the very minimum.
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holygod There is nothing ignorant or bigoted in my remarks. It is wonderful that most muslims don't fully practice the teachings in their book. Most Christians don't fully practice the teachings in the new testament but their book doesn't tell them to go out and murder and rape people, either.
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johncourage the bible doesn't tell people to murder people? You might want to re read it. You think stoning is a mutually enjoyable past time? It might not order rape but it condones it. You just have to pay for her afterwards. It also condones slavery. Should we judge all Christians by what their book says?
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holygod Christians follow the new testament of the bible.
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johncourage That's funny. They sure don't mind dipping into the old testament when it comes to homosexuality do they?
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holygod Some christians, not all. not even a majority. And don't even go on about gay marriage, anyone that is ok with 9 people going into a room and creating law is not American.
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holygod Find me the New Testament passage that tells us to murder people. Preferably in the Gospels, thx!
Parts of the Torah (OT) no longer apply to Christians, says Jesus, who is also God Incarnate (fyi) so... no.
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5cats The bible is the bible. It is the direct word of god who is infallible. You don't get to cherry pick the parts you like. Either it is all god's word or it is a bunch of bullshit made up by people.
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holygod Except no, you're totally wrong, and showing your ignorance with such over-simplifications.
Jesus HIMSELF said parts of the Torah no longer apply to Christians. Period, end of discussion. It is not 'cherry picking' it is Canon!

God Himself said it! God can change the deal anytime He pleases, ok? He said Jews have to do X,Y and Z until the redeemer arrives to make a New Covenant. 
Having arrived, the Redeemer (Jesus, who is also God, but is not Allah) lay down the new rules and took the time to mention how a bunch of the old rules no longer apply. He does mention that some still do, but that in no way is 'bullshit' it is Scripture!

Again, you are acting 'like that' on purpose now, I suspect.
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PosisDas well said.
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johncourage Did you have your Papa John's Pizza today?
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I think if he have a mentally disabled muslim child and you pick Texas as the place to raise him you probably aren't fit parents.
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holygod I don't see why mentally disabled people shouldn't be in Texas …
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7eggert I thought California was "...the place for nuts like you..."?

So he packed up his tongue and moved to Malibu!
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5cats Ever been to Malibu? It is mother fucking gorgeous. 
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holygod Not even been to the US, but we have our own place for nuts.
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holygod It was around this time in Bloom County:
http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_3684/subcat_27125/thumbs/bc2.jpg
In a Sunday strip they had a parody of the Beverly Hillbillies (bill, billy, get it? lolz!) song where one of them sang the song with 'Bill' lyrics... very funny stuff!
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Texas...lol.

Gee, I wonder who the teacher voted for?
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daegog For Hillary, DUH! 
Or are you so bigoted and blinded by hate that you imagine ALL Texans vote the same way? Racist much?
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