RIP Net Neutrality: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

Submitted by: kalron 4 months ago in News & Politics Tech


Ajit Pai got his wish and ended Net Neutrality today. Now it's up to Congress to prevent it, which won't happen no matter how much we try. There was even a security scare just before he passed his vote that cleared the committee room.

The two dissents were from Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel. You can read their statements against the vote here, they're both lengthy, but pretty compelling.

In the end, Pai boasted that the concerns were unfounded and fabrications by the Left. In addition, this end will bring freedom back to the Internet. Question, when was freedom missing from the Internet?

I can't wait to feel this in my bum from Comcast... my one and only option for internet service.

[There were a lot of submissions for this one and Disney Buying Fox -- I go with the first in, but I don't want anyone to think I'm ignoring submissions. -- Thanks, Fancylad]
There are 65 comments:
Male 622
Yeah, and big corporation only exist to kill their customers, blah blah blah.... if you like the internet a couple of years ago, you will still like it a few years hence.

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Male 144
Yeah, because the internet was such a free for all before 1015
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Male 616
we were fucked the second president Fuckknuckle (Trump, for you idiots who voted for him) was elected...It will take decades to fix his bullshit.

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Male 2,784
It's not the federal government's job to ensure you get to stream House of Cards.  
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Male 2,033
dromed It is the federal government's job to give Americans equal access to news stories that are critical of Comcast, COX, FOX, or even...*gasp*...congressmen who rape kids. But with this, ISPs are are allowed to throttle or even completely cut off access to any of that content.

...and sure, we can file a lawsuit if they ever do that, but if they do that to 1000 different websites, the ACLU only really has enough energy to restore a small fraction of them. 
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Male 144
bliznik  "But with this, ISPs are are allowed to throttle or even completely cut off access to any of that content." That's still against the law
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Male 2,033
That's still against the law

Erm, I pointed that out.

...and again, we can file a lawsuit if they ever do that, but if they do that to 1000 different websites, just like how the UK's web blockade "accidentally" blocked feminist and political blogs when they decided to unilaterally block "offensive content," we would have to file a new lawsuit for each and every blocked website against each and every offending ISP in order to get them unblocked.
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Male 2,784
bliznik So sorry but you're wrong.  
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Male 2,033
dromed Nice of you to provide a statement contrary to the masses with zero evidence. Very helpful.
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Male 460
That insufferable buffoon Ajit Pai, what a sellout Pos. 
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Male 8,903
Those that claim to be Free marketeers explain this....what is "free market" about giving the roads (the distribution) total control over content?  How is that a free market in the slightest?


The ISP's back when the internet was growing up was a diverse market, AOL, Netscape, Altivista, all sorts of companies existed, they weren't content providers.  Now our ISP's are COMPETING as Content providers, giving those ISP (content Providers) the ability to dictate the rules makes NO SENSE.  They control the delivery and the content why in god's name would they NOT throttle their competitors?  

Don't worry though, if the ISP's are smart they'll start small so there'll be no recourse in the next couple years. We are a capitalist society, the goal is to make money, when you own the rules and the roads you just have to let time go by so people become complacent.  now is NOT the time to be complacent, remember it's the CONSERVATIVES that brought you the end of Net Neutrality remember that.
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Male 527
normalfreak2 Once liberals take back the seats of power in the coming years, my guess is Net Neutrality will be re-instated. The Republican party's time as a majority party in this country are about to be over for a while. 
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Male 4,706
normalfreak2 ^ B-I-N-G-O
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Male 3,631
Every last government official and worker should be hanged as traitors.
Trump first.
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Male 9,396
you only have one recourse:

Gather at your government houses in growing numbers, chant 4 words over and over:

  1. DEATH
  2. TO
  3. THE
  4. PRESIDENCY

Persist, continue growing in numbers, then take back your nation and instill new governance.
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Male 527
Add another one to the list of things that need to be fixed once Trump is out...

Anyone want to defend this? 
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Male 5,387
mrsnowmeiser they all will, these fuckers love pretending that ONLY big companies will get charged more like amazon and netflix.

These Trump loving pieces of shit have zero shame.

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Male 144
daegog I don't have anything to add except fuck you.
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Male 527
daegog It's funny to me that policies like this of the purest libertarians lead to capitalism's downfall. Basically less democracy, more corporate consolidation and power and screwing consumers. Eventually this trend has to come to a head. 
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Male 5,387
mrsnowmeiser I think i will disagree kinda.

If I consider these concepts:

1) the Rich and Powerful have seen the French Revolution and things of that nature, they know if the poor come for them, its game over, so stopping any such event is always going to be priority number 1

2) to ensure we stay compliant, they have mastered the art of keeping us entertained.  Sports, Games, Movies, Celebtards, et al.  They will throw any and everything at us to make sure we stay relatively compliant.

3) We are just softer now.  We do not have the mental fortitude to endure the hardships that the rich and powerful could easily impose on us if it came down to it.


I Think the rich will just keep taking more and more and come up with more ways to keep us distracted.  Live fights to the death to shut the masses up?  Not totally out of the question imo.
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Male 527
daegog Good arguments, but I also respectfully disagree (in part, anyway). 

1) Agreed that there is historical precedent of that, but look at what resulted from it in the US historically: The New Deal. I don't have sources, but IIRC FDR basically approached elites during the Great Depression and said something like "you need to contribute your fair share or this country could revolt". Result? Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, among other temporary work programs, infrastructure spending, etc. 

2) Agreed on this. Except I personally don't think there's anyone actually 'controlling this ship', so to speak. It's institutional inertia of the capitalist system. 

3) I don't know about this one. Look at Standing Rock and Occupy Wall Street; both massive and sustained protests and at the behest of severely violent police actions in the case of Standing Rock. 

In the end, it seems we disagree as to the end game of all this. Whereas you see the rich/powerful sustaining their Vile Maxim ('all for us and nothing for anybody else'), I see popular discontent rising surely and consistently to force reforms once certain thresholds of fuckery are met. Meet Trump, Sanders, Brexit, etc. Some reforms don't always work for reasons you eluded to in point 2 (if you extent it to education/knowledge), but eventually I have faith that the people will get it right. Meet the resurgence of the American left. 


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Male 21,367
Can you guys let me know when there's some renegade bootleg way of getting the internet without having to go through the Verizons and Comcasts of the world? 

That's the next move, right?
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Male 11,736
fancylad I'd say you can expect google fiber to ramp up like a mother fucker.
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Male 4,706
fancylad Paying for a virtual VPN might be the way to go.  I've had my eye on doing this for some time and a co-worker has been doing it for years.  $10-$50 a year and your Internet Provider cannot tell what traffic you are streaming through the VPN virtual machine.  It's slower currently, but depending on how much throttling comes about from this deal, it might be more efficient.
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Male 8,903
kalron27 VPN's will not work, you have to get to that VPN somehow, and it will be over Time Warner/Spectrum, Comcast, Verizon or Cox.  It's  inevitable.
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Male 4,706
normalfreak2 Yes, but the concept is not being throttled.  If the VPN traffic is not throttled, you can virtually stream your browser traffic that may otherwise be throttled.
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Male 8,903
kalron27 With today's firewalls and routers, you sure as shit can throttle VPN traffic.  You can designate which traffic you want to traverse which routes through protocol.  If there's a way to monetize it they'll do it.
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Male 4,706
normalfreak2 True, but that is pushing the throttling concept way beyond the "competition" model.  If it got to the point where they are throttling unknown traffic, IDK if they will be able to sustain the illusion of "Freedom".
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Male 71
kalron27 I use VPN Unlimited.  I got a lifetime license, 5 devices, no limit on speed, allows torrents, and has a data cap of almost 1TB, for like $40. You have to look around for that promotion, but it was money well spent.
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Male 1,602
kalron27 A VPN is not gonna help.  If you think they can't detect a tunnel or the encryption and just throttle it because they don't know what it is, you are only fooling yourself.
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Male 4,706
waldo863 Depends on the masking.  If you are running your browser traffic virtually through the VPN, it has a much better chance than streaming through your normal browser.
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Male 5,387
People actually called in bomb threats, but they managed to get the vote done anyhow.
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Male 181
Correct me if I;m wrong bug don't we have a system of checks and balances in place so one appendage of the government can't run rampant as the FCC are doing? don't they need some sort of approval from someone like the judiciary branch?
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Male 8,903
boredusernames01 Congress can address this, but look who's in control of Congress...The GOP and they are all for abolishing Net Neutrality. So don't expect Congress to save the day, Elections have consequences.
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Male 2,033
boredusernames01 Congress is the check and balance, which was fine until the Senate started ramming votes down via a simple majority.

The Supreme Court is the 2nd check and balance, but that takes time (within that time Comcast can pocket billions) and requires a constitutional challenge to free speech, which is a very costly burden to prove (the amicus brief will be enormous).
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Male 1,602
boredusernames01 The article even states that it still must get through Congress, however, it is likely too.
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Male 6,205
Found on 9gag:
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Male 815
Facebook had a post about " We do not and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content. "  Half the replies were HAHAs and anger.  :P

Don't give up the fight.  Lean on your senators and representatives.  They can use a Congressional Review Act to stop the FCC order.
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Male 8,903
muert They can but they won't.  The GOP is in full support of this, look at Congress the only thing they care about is giving away tax money to the wealthiest.  Net Neutrality abolishment fits right in that agenda.
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Male 4,706
normalfreak2 Unfortunately, it is more than the GOP that will support this.  There are Representatives on both sides that will vote in favor of this due to lobbying.  That is why it was so important to not let this go to a vote.  Once it is gone, even after Trump is out of office and the political structure has been change, we will be hard pressed to get it repelled.
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Male 11,736
"when was freedom missing from the Internet?"

Still waiting on trimble to explain that one. He said he like the internet "before the government got involved". He never followed up with how he thought the government adversely affected the internet, despite being asked.
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holygod "before the government got involved" lol well what happens when you give someone more freedom. They use it to restrict other peoples freedom.
ISPs just became the internets dictator government.

With ISPs having unlimited freedom the do what they want they could even start censoring all your content. banning certain aspects of the web. We could be living in a muslim like culture soon enough when angry moms and ceos from disney decide that you shouldnt be allowed to view certain things and they block them. A great way for larger ccorporations to  crush small business and an easier means for these guys to have direct control. 
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Male 304
Not to worry, guys, still a free country, right? 
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Male 5,387
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Male 135
daegog hahahaha this is hella good
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Male 4,706
daegog This is priceless and the face of the FCC.
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Male 42,195
daegog LOL .... here in San Diego we have COX cable internet provider. Would fit right in with that picture
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Male 11,736
Gerry1of1 Phoenix too. I think they actually do a pretty great job. I hear people bitch about their cable company all the time, but I love COX.
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Male 7,101
holygod In before Rumham! You... you said you love cox. O.O
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Male 11,736
squrlz4ever Well I was having a double entendre battle with Gerry so it seemed only appropriate.
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Male 42,195
holygod Cox is going up.
COX just raised their prices so I'm not so enthused at the moment
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Male 11,736
Gerry1of1 So it's getting harder for you to get COX?
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Male 7,101
holygod Oh. Well, I see you and Gerry are doing a whole riff on cox. Dagnabbit. It's pretty hard to beat anyone to the punch with a randy double entendre around here.
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Male 11,736
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Male 42,195
holygod I admit Cox doesn't come up a lot in conversation.
Cox is expensive but it's hare to beat 
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Male 11,736
Gerry1of1 I would think for a gay man in southern California that COX would be on the tip of everyone's tongue. Maybe you aren't going to the right bars...
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Male 42,195
holygod Yes, Cox is pretty big, in fact it's huge here. But some of the stuff Cox spits out I find hard to swallow.

And this cartoon is unrelated but just for fun

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Male 8,903
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Male 4,706
I was on top of this shit today!  We were watching it live at work since it impacts us.  

The most fucked up thing about this whole ordeal is that these are NON-ELECTED officials making a decision that effects all citizens in the US, regardless of their political affiliation.  We had no vote on this, we had no say.  Only Internet Service Providers had a say in the decision...with their wallets.
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Male 1,602
kalron27 Non-elected officials are TRYING to get it done.  It still has to get through Congress which last I checked ARE elected officials.  Granted, they are likely going to let it through, but the point stands, the elected officials still DO have a chance to stop this.
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Male 4,706
waldo863 The fact that non-elected officials can start a decision that effects every citizen in the US to begin with is the real issue.  The FCC and FTC has no business making this decision to begin with.  In addition to making it mandatory for States as well.  That is the definition of Far Reaching.
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Male 11,736
kalron27 Still has to get past the courts I think. We'll see. I mean the rules didn't exist till 2015 and the internet still seemed fine before that. So it might not be the apocalypse we keep hearing about.

Fucking with people's internet will be a big issue in 2018 and 2020 if it happens and that would be very bad for Republicans. Want to make young people turn out in droves to vote? Mess with netflix and porn.

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Male 815
holygod The ISPs will try to be subtle at first, just so they don't give a bunch of evidence for all the pending lawsuits. 
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Male 4,706
muert The fact that wireless services have already tested it subtly and admitted it is scary enough.
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Male 4,882
so much joy today
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