Why Incompetent People Think They're Amazing

Submitted by: holygod 1 week ago in Science


The Dunning-Kruger Effect: How badly do we over estimate our own abilities?
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Female 4,492
you see a lot of this on completion americas got talent videos on youtube. A LOT of this.
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Male 313
Interesting vid.  Had some good points to it.  Quite happy to see other correlations mentioned also with those who have skills thinking others are the same.

It's pretty noticeable online and in various post-secondary institutions now.  It would be interesting to find reasoning for this imo.  Online I could see it being easier to manipulate the message.  In rl one needs to think and respond on the spot, while online it's easier to leave and come back at a later time to continue, thus inflating one's self-perception of debate.  In post-secondary it seems that people take what was once a set standard and have manipulated it into something they feel is reasonable to their own ego rather than accepting the reality of the situation.
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Male 3,879
Didn't you just know that monk and megrendel were gonna go at it over this post lol..
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Male 2,124
The ironing of this being a TedTalk is delicious. 
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Male 10,125
chicagojay The ironing of you trying to sound smart while sounding like an idiot is extra delicious. Good example of dunning- Kruger. Thank you.
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Male 5,210
holygod I was going to stick up for him, that it's probably spellcheck on a phone, but anyone who has a problem with TedTalks is not a thinker.
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Male 10,125
markust123 Ya I know. I give people a ton of leeway on spelling and grammar, but that just ended up being too perfect to pass up.
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Male 5,210
chicagojay, "The ironing of this being a TedTalk is delicious."

I don't find ironing delicious. Tedious, but not delicious - burns the tongue.
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Male 969
Good video.

I am definitely an above average driver - when I'm concentrating on driving.  Sadly, my concentration often gets redirected and I become a below average driver.

I can honestly say that for most of my skills, when I am focused, I'm up there.  When not focused, even in my core skills, I'm average at best.  I've worked with the best in their respective fields and was always in awe at the level of concentration and focus they brought to their work.

I had a sign on the front of my desk that read "Being a professional means doing your best work when you don't want to".  It was a reminder to myself (when I walked into my office) to get my shit together and solve my clients problems regardless of what I think of the client, what I think of the project, what I think about the tasks I have in front of me, or what time of day or day of the week it is.

I wish I could say that I lived up to that sign, but I know how often I failed.
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Male 10,125
punko Here is what it takes to be a good driver in my opinion:

1. Don't look at your phone while you're driving.
2. Don't tail gate.
3. Use blinkers and use them a couple seconds BEFORE you change lanes.
4. If you aren't traveling faster than vehicles to your right move to the right.
5. If you can avoid it it, don't do anything that affects the inertia of another vehicle
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Female 4,492
holygod don't forget these....
-calm the fuck down
-dont be an asshole.
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Male 6,224
holygod 
Yet you missed three key rules of a good driver: 
  1. follow the road signs, posted limits, warnings, solid/dashed lines.
  2. be alert for pedestrians or non-motorized vehicles (understand you are in control of a machine that can kill).
  3. wear a seatbelt.
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Male 10,125
monkwarrior I don't necessarily disagree with any of these. However, I don't think many people follow the speed limit literally and I couldn't care less if you wear a seatbelt. 
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Male 969
holygod I don't have a cell phone, so that's not an issue.  The rest are classic driving instructions.  I think the most important thing to be a good driver, is:

When you're the driver, you drive. You do nothing else.

you pay attention; you signal; you check; you anticipate; you leave yourself escape options; you maintain situational awareness.  

In other words, you drive the car the way you were instructed.
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I think the fundamental attribution error plays a big part in this as well...but I'm no expert. 
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Male 5,210
I liked that they ended it with this thought provoking proverb: "When arguing with a fool first make sure the other person isn't doing the same thing." 

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is why I do well at golf sometime. I know if I take a lesson I will immediately realize how much I really suck at golf.
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Male 10,125
markust123 Hahahaha.

Golf is a funny sport.

You start out whiffing the ball. 
Then you are happy to just hit it a reasonable distance in the general direction.
Then you get good enough where you are pissed when you miss the fairway or don't get on the green in regulation.

I remember being elated to break 100. Now if I don't break 80 it ruins my day.
It is way more fun to just know you are going to suck and your score doesn't matter.

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Male 5,210
holygod, "It is way more fun to just know you are going to suck and your score doesn't matter."

Exactly. My parents have a winter place on a chip and put 3 par golf course. Longest hole is 180 yards. It's a blast to play.
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Male 10,125
markust123 I used to caddy at a resort in northern Michigan. There was a charity event on their par 3 course and I was supposed to caddy for Jack Nicklaus's group. My appendix burst the friday beforehand.
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Male 5,210
holygod I guess you could call that a hole in one. Sucks you missed that.
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Female 4,603
Some crazy people dont know they're crazy, they just affect those around them... same goes for stupid.   *afterthought... I might be crazy AND stupid... hmm...
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Male 8,071
Looks like another Western Media Delusion to me!  
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Male 6,224
normalfreak2 It does expose western delusions.  I've noticed since school that some people who weren't all that said they were, and those who were highly intelligent often minimized their ability.  Media likely plays a role in that, so quite possibly western media delusions.
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Male 707
Good post HG. Heard of this before and stand by my thoughts this explains a lot in society in 'Western' nations. As we've had the level of intelligence increase a bit and degree inflation people really overstate their own intellect. Then believe they know better, to name a few rising issues at larte affected by this: Anti Vaccines movement, pretty much every conspiracy theory, climate change(both sides), basic economics...
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Male 10,125
Yes. You can see it on here constantly. People who have achieved nothing particularly impressive in life get online and are able to assume they are smarter than everyone else. It's pretty amazing actually.
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Male 6,224
holygod yes, like yourself, who has regularly claimed to have such a high IQ, yet a lot of things you say seem to negate that.  Too bad you couldn't see it in yourself.
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Male 10,125
monkwarrior I scored a 1520 on my SAT, a 30 on my ACT, and I'm a member of MENSA. Those are why I think I'm smarter than most people, because statistically I am. The fact that I disagree with you about your imaginary friend does not negate my intelligence.

You think the Earth might be flat for fuck's sake.
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Male 2,675
holygod 
It's difficult getting a good education while your teachers are trying to fill your head with 'western media delusions', eh?

Bravo.
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Male 6,224
holygod Yet you continue to display poor intelligence, like you just did.  Your bias seems to stand in your way, hence Dunning-Kruger.  Remember just because you're part of a group doesn't mean you are intelligent, especially when you expose you aren't.
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Male 8,715
monkwarrior You REALLY can't be that fucking clueless, can you?

This post might as well  have been titled, the Monkwarrior Effect.
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Male 1,223
megrendel I as well am ROFLMAO
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Male 5,213
megrendel I'm with NF2 here, rolling around on the floor. LOL!
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Male 10,125
megrendel Yes. Him and one other regular on here exemplify this whole heartedly in my opinion.
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Male 6,224
holygod Yet again, you expose your own Dunning-Kruger effect, as even the own video you posted said most people do have it.  Clearly you do, as you rate your intelligence higher than it actually is displayed here.
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Male 177
megrendel   Monkwarrior Effect:  also known as the "I Know What You Are But What Am I ? " response.
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Male 6,224
abetterworld people with a weak position often have nothing else but fallacies.  Thanks for letting us know.
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monkwarrior I know you are but what am I?
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Male 6,224
stevopusser the phrase many flee to when they can't stand i reflect themselves back at them.. i call it the Medusa-effect
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Male 5,210
monkwarrior That wasn't a fallacy. You use the "I know you are but what am I?" response all the time. That is the most infuriating thing about interacting with you. It is literally a child's technique.
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Male 177
markust123 Teach a child how to unleash the power of IKWYABWAI, and that child will be able to conquer arguments for a lifetime....
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Male 6,224
abetterworld teach a child fallacies and they'll never succeed, no matter how hard they try and repeat.
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Male 6,224
markust123 Ad-hominems are fallacies, sorry there, bub.  Side note: if you don't like your judgments coming back at you don't judge - it's simple!
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Male 5,210
monkwarrior You, the biggest judger on IAB is telling people not to judge. You're unintentionally hilarious.

And yes I realize I just used the I know you are but what am I technique but your comment was so insanely hypocritical it demanded it.
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Male 6,224
markust123 Grasping at straws after being called out?  I was simply saying if you don't like your judgments coming back at you then don't judge.  I don't judge emotionally or rashly, as many (including yourself) do to me.  That's why i can handle anything anyone wants to reflect of what i say - I always expect to meet someone myself or stronger online, so that's why i don't judge emotionally or rashly.
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Male 5,210
monkwarrior You are completely delusional about your behavior on IAB. 
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Male 6,224
markust123 The reality is you might be delusional about my behaviour, as one of your recent comments targeted me and you said something like "i take my frustration of my flat earth family member out on monkwarrior because he believes in flat earth" or along those lines.  Even though the fact remains i don't believe that and have never claimed it.

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Male 6,224
megrendel hg is clearly a sufferer of it

obviously you're suffering from it too

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Male 8,715
monkwarrior I rarely agree with either you or holygod.

But, after seeing enough posts by both to make a good determination, I'd put holygod's IQ an order of magnitude higher than yours. 

I disagree with much of what holygod says, but I've never doubted his intelligence.

I disagree with much of what you say, and I've always been amazed at your constant lack of intelligence.

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Male 10,125
megrendel I would ditto that. I think you're wrong all the time, but you are intelligently wrong. ;)
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Male 6,224
megrendel Up to you.  As you freely admitted you clearly disagree with what i have to say, which tilts your bias towards him.  I couldn't care less what you gauge though.  I know precisely where i stand.
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Male 8,715
monkwarrior As you freely admitted you clearly disagree with what i have to say, which tilts your bias towards him. 

Damn but you have a reading comprehension problem (along with an intelligence problem, and a reasoning problem, and a logic problem...)

I also freely admitted I clearly disagree with what holygod has to say, too. So how does that factor into that statement?

When I argue with holygod, I feel I've been in an intelligent argument.

When I argue with you I feel like I've been clubbing baby seals.
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Male 3,664
megrendel

"When I argue with you I feel like I've been clubbing baby seals"

Ouch...that made me squirt beer out my nose...
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Male 6,224
megrendel
No wonder, it appears you're suffering too:

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior Seems to sum you up PERFECTLY.
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat No doubt you would think that, especially believing in lies about what happened on 9/11.
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior What do the lies you believe about 9/11 have to do with me?
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat it's about the lies you believe about 9/11 that you think are the truth.
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior There, there, go sit in your corner, and repeat your idiotic lies to yourself over and over until you believe them again, and it will all be ok.
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat Might want to take your own advice, since you continue to ignore the evidence that points to the official report being a fabrication out of the fragility of your world view on the topic (afraid of the truth).
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior Lets examine these "lies", one at a time, shall we? 

Lie #1:  Burning jet fuel does not get hot enough to MELT steel. This one is a bit "twisted", shall we say. This is actually true, in that jet fuel, at approximately 1500 degrees, does not get hot enough to melt steel, which requires approximately 2800 degrees. However, there is a bit more to it than this. First, what official report states that steel was "melted" in the fires? I never saw anything about "melted" steel until the conspiracy theories started surfacing. So, they are trying to argue against a statement that was never made. Second, while 1500 degrees isn't hot enough to MELT steel, at only 1200 degrees, less than the 1500 that jet fuel can attain, steel loses around 50% of its strength. These numbers are from an engineering professor at MIT. Where do yours come from? Third, there is the expansion coefficient of steel to take into account. At only a 5 degree increase in temperature, a section of steel only 100 inches long (around 8 feet) will "grow" by around 0.0036 inches. Not much, right? Now, consider that the increase will be MUCH more than this when you take a steel beam that is, for the sake of argument, around 100 degrees, then take it up to around 1500 degrees. Thats an increase of 1400 degrees. Also consider in the example above, that expansion was based on a 100 inch section; some of the beams in the WTC towers could have reached lengths of HUNDREDS of FEET. Now how much will that paltry little 0.0036 inches grow to? Figuring for a 1400 degree increase, and a 100 foot long steel beam, the beam will "grow" by around a foot. The longer the beam, the more pronounced the effect. Do you really believe that a structure like that can hold together with its structural members increasing in length by a foot, or more? Fourth, there is more to take into account than the jet fuel for a heat source. There is the existing fire load in the building. Carpet, furnishings, possible TONS of paper and cardboard, and, as sad as it is to say, human bodies, all contributed to the fire, and its heat. Also consider that a common, modern, single story, single family residential dwelling involved in a fire can potentially reach temperatures of over 2000 degrees with nothing but "normal" contents in it. Jet fuel is not a "normal" content, so there is a potential for even more heat than that being trapped inside the towers while they were burning. Remember that heat builds when trapped, trapped by things like a building's thermal insulation.

In conclusion, the "lie" isn't that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to "melt" steel, since it doesn't. The "lie" is that the 9/11 commission never claimed that it does in the first place. That, and the FACT that the conspiracy theorists choose to IGNORE how much steel expands and weakens when heated. Your turn to ATTEMPT to prove me wrong, then we move on to the next lie.
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat So in short, you agree with the official report of 9/11 that was found (by scientists in labs) to be a fabrication, meaning you prefer the opinions (touted by the media) that the fabrication is actually factual.  

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior Why do you continue to ignore the facts? Why won't you try to disprove my statements? Kindly address the facts I've pointed out already. What that I said above can you disprove? Come on, it can't be that hard. Disprove what I said. Is the melting point of steel incorrect? Is the expansion coefficient of steel that I used to figure how much steel expands due to temperature change incorrect? Is the burning temperature of jet fuel incorrect? Is the possible temperature of a common structure fire incorrect? Is the possible fire load present in the towers incorrect? Does the official report say that the steel in the towers DID melt? Is the temperature that steel weakens at incorrect? Exactly which statement is wrong?
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat I'm sorry, but it's you who continues to ignore the facts.  Even to the point of ignoring what scientists have found (in labs), in favor of what the media tells you (opinion).
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior So which part of what I said is incorrect?
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat the part where you try justifying the official report (a fabrication that the opinion of the media is true, yet which scientists in labs have found to be a fabrication).
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior In other words, you can't actually disprove any of the statements I made earlier, and are grasping at straws to try to redirect me. Its very simple; all you have to do is tell me which part of what I said is incorrect. Why won't you do so? Is it really so hard to say, "the melting point of steel is actually 3200 degrees, instead of 2800 like you claim", or, "jet fuel actually only burns at 950 degrees, instead of 1500 degrees like you claim". Would something like that really be so hard to do, instead of trying to confuse and redirect me?
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat Correction, it's you who tried to redirect with your assumption of what the "lies" were.

 So, it's safe to say that you agree with the official report of 9/11 that was found (by scientists in labs) to be a fabrication, meaning you prefer the opinions (touted by the media) that the fabrication is actually factual?
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior No, I "assume" nothing. I am directly addressing the lies told by you, and other conspiracy theorists. One of the first lies told is "jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, so the fires could not have POSSIBLY caused the buildings to collapse", as if anyone ever said that the fires melted the steel in the buildings, and this is a MAJOR foundation piece of most conspiracy theories. I have simply provided evidence that jet fuel doesn't NEED to burn hot enough to melt steel to cause the structural collapse of buildings like the Twin Towers. Now, since you are so sure of yourself, why won't you tell me WHICH PART OF WHAT I SAID IS INCORRECT? Also, kindly explain to me how education, training and actual, hands on, real life experience that I am basing my opinions on, all of which were received BEFORE 9/11/01, is being "influenced by the media"? I could have made every one of the arguments I have made against your brand of stupidity BEFORE 9/11/01. Are you going to tell me that my education (graduated high school in 1994, graduated technical school in 1997, and received my firefighting certification in 2000, as well as having worked with various building materials, including steel, since before any of that) was influenced by the government as part of a vast conspiracy? The fact that my education and training happens to agree with the "official story" simply reinforces how likely it is that the report is correct. Do you have any similar education or training that supports your opinions, or are you just blindly believing what others are telling you? All I have asked, very politely and very simply, is for you to tell me which part of what I posted earlier is incorrect. Once you do so, or admit that you cannot, we can move on to the next lie. Oh, by the way, what "laboratory experiments" are you referring to? Perhaps that highly scientific model made with a cardboard airplane and a pile of snow? Exactly what "laboratory" performed the studies you refer to? SCIENCE!!!
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Male 6,224
whosaidwhat So you make another long post based on fallacies of what you percieve instead of answering the simple question:

Do you agree with the official report of 9/11 that was found (by scientists in labs) to be a fabrication, meaning you prefer the opinions (touted by the media) that the fabrication is actually factual?
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Male 8,715
monkwarrior Except, in this case, the superiority of basically everyone on this site over you is not illusory. It's quite real.

You are the fool of the king's court, who doesn't realize just how much of a fool he is.
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Male 6,224
megrendel Like i said, you're clearly suffering from the dunning-kruger effect.  But look on the bright side the researchers only won an IG-Nobel Prize, not a Nobel Prize, so don't let it get you upset.
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Male 10,125
monkwarrior "ask for feedback from other people, and consider it even if it is hard to hear"

Do you even remotely understand what that means? If everyone you interact with says you are a fucking moron and you think you are smarter than all of them, MAYBE you are a fucking moron....
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Male 6,224
holygod Yes, you should consider it even if it's hard to hear.  Have you considered this?  Apparently it seems to have gone in one ear and out the other, or you put your hands in your ears and went "la la la i can't hear you!".  Clearly a sign of Dunning-Kruger in yourself, as it's probably as far from intelligence as you can get.
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Male 10,125
monkwarrior I absolutely have considered it. I evaluate on a regular basis. You see above where someone who I disagree with constantly says they think I'm reasonably intelligent? That factors in.

There are a lot of people on this site I disagree with. I think a handful of them are smart. I even think a couple of them are brilliant. I think a handful of them are dumb. I even think a couple of them are fucking morons. The majority in the middle just strike me as average.

You, on the other hand, call everyone who disagrees with you stupid. That is the sign of an incredibly weak mind, a complete inability to recognize any value in the viewpoint of the opposition.
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Male 8,071
holygod megrendel  Something you two see eye to eye on.  Could the end be nigh? 
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holygod 
Yeah, you're clearly suffering from Dunning-Kruger and just don't know it yet.  Remember: listening to people who stroke your ego won't get you valid feedback.  You may think you're intelligent, but you still come across as someone with a teenage-tanturm-throwing attitude, not as i've seen intelligent people.

As for me, i know exactly where i stand: i'm not making claims of myself that are untrue, i know i have weaknesses and strengths, and i know how to gauge them properly (i've been doing this since i was a teenager).  Like jayme21 said it's more of a 'western' thing, which i happened to notice at a young age, despise, and work hard at avoiding.  As far as Dunning-Kruger goes, i know how to walk the line, and i admit that sometimes do under report for various reasons, as needed (and sometimes caught for being too modest).  Better to be caught as being too modest then to be caught as you are, being too prideful.
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monkwarrior No, you DO NOT know how to "gauge them properly". You think that your weaknesses are strengths, and you haven't displayed any actual strengths yet. Also, let me know when you are "caught being too modest". You haven't displayed a single shred of modesty on here; only a clear sense of your own superiority. 
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whosaidwhat Suit yourself.  My strength is what trolls hate, because i can expose them while the dung they hurl slides right off me, and they get red in the face with anger while i'm still smiling and happy.  
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monkwarrior Its so very sad how well this whole concept fits you. You constantly tell lies, that you won't even attempt to back up, and think its a "strength". I don't think that word means what you think it does....

Oh, also, please, let me know when you make me "red in the face with anger". You've never even gotten close. You have, however, made me red in the face with laughter a few times. Seriously, some of the things you believe in are truly LAUGHABLE!
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whosaidwhat You've been there many times.  In fact i recall logging in several days straight, each day with 18-20 replies from you saying the same cursing.  It's hard to say you aren't angry when you aren't swearing like you were.
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior Sorry, I guess I come from a different culture than you. I don't have to be angry to "curse", damnit. That wasn't anger; that was trying to get through your thick skull with a little basic information. Basic information that you, sadly, still don't comprehend. So again, I challenge you to let me know when you have made me angry. Amused, yes; angry, no. 

Wait, will you imagine that? You are WRONG AGAIN!!! Clear PROOF that this whole concept fits you TO A TEE! You are constantly WRONG, and EVERYONE sees it BUT YOU! I understand how badly this affects your fragile ego, but there is no reason to take it out on everyone else.
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whosaidwhat Yep, you're full of western media delusion.  If you want to be effective you wouldn't try cursing, unless you want to be effective to the western media delusions and those who live by it (which isn't really effective at  all).
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Male 1,940
monkwarrior And, cue your first catchphrase....

WRONG AGAIN!!! I don't read newspapers, or magazines, nor do I frequently watch the "news" on network television. How am I deluded by something which has little to no impact on my views? Also, why are you so opposed to admitting when you are so clearly wrong? Oh, thats right, you are convinced of your own superiority....
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whosaidwhat The telltale is this:  Do you believe what researchers have found in labs (science), that have lead scientists to state "the official report of 9/11 is a fabrication", or do you believe what the people in the media simply say (opinion), that a flawed report is the fact and truth?
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Male 1,223
monkwarrior Go Monk Go -- I think you have them backed into a corner.
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Male 5,213
lockner01 Lockner--assuming this is Lockner--may I request that you not copy someone else's avatar? This place has gotten confusing enough with the sockpuppetry that's going on. If I have to do a double-check on every comment to make sure it's who I think it is, it's going to drive me crazy.
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Male 3,664
squrlz4ever I agree, I'm getting confused...but it's also fun to just look at the avatar and read the comments...it becomes this strange internal-self conversation that is making my brain hurt ;)
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Male 1,223
squrlz4ever Since you're the one that asked, Squrlz, of course.  Monk has been troll bombing me -- thinking he's called me out as a 'socker' -- which I'm not and a troll.  I thought for a few hours it migth drive him a little nuts if I used his avatar.
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Male 5,213
lockner01 Thanks, Lockner. I appreciate it. I think I'm more easily confused than Monk when it comes to avatars.
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Male 6,224
squrlz4ever Actually i'm not confused, i've seen trolls like lockner do this before.  Since lockner admitted he has multiple accounts, and i called them out on it, they've been really upping their troll game.  It's like they know they have been laid bare.
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Male 6,224
squrlz4ever Lockner is a bit upset from being found out as a socker + troll, this is their way of dealing with it.
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Male 1,223
monkwarrior Not upset at all -- you've just gone to the lowest form of trolling.
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lockner01 We're all crashing and burning...
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Male 1,223
holygod Sometimes it's better to admit when you've lost before the final hammer drops.
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Male 6,224
lockner01 like you couldn't, being found out as a socker + troll
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monkwarrior What happened to the big font? Why is it that your comments are all in the negatives and mine are not?
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monkwarrior It's interesting how you don't seem to ever have any original thoughts.
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monkwarrior Prove me wrong and not try to get the last word.
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