Follow Up: The Cop Who Manhandled A Salt Lake City Nurse Who Refused To Draw Blood Was Fired

Submitted by: fancylad 2 months ago in News & Politics
Alex Wubbels attacked by Utah detective Jeff Payne, July 26, 2017

Remember the Salt Lake City nurse who was arrested for not drawing blood on a patient this past July? Welp, he was fired today.

According to The Desert News out of Utah, Detective Jeff Payne was terminated on Tuesday after a review of their behavior during the July arrest of Alex Wubbels, which made national headlines after body-camera footage, released by her attorneys, showed the officer detaining her after she refused to draw blood from an unconscious patient without a warrant.

“I have lost faith and confidence in your ability to continue to serve as a member of the Salt Lake City Police Department,” Salt Lake Police Chief Mike Brown wrote in an official letter notifying Payne of his termination. “I am deeply troubled by your lack of sound, professional judgment and your discourteous, disrespectful and unwarranted behavior, which unnecessarily escalated a situation that could and should have been resolved in a manner far different from the course of action you chose to pursue.”
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Male 349
How many other times do you think this piece of shit abused his power over the past 27 years when it wasn’t recorded and posted online?  If it wasn’t for the recording he would have never even been reprimanded.
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Male 3,347
Now arrest him for assault, battery, kidnapping and various civil rights violations, and set a trial date - after killing his benefits and ensuring he can't so much as guard a toilet in the future.
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Male 1,283
captkangaroo It's too bad that is entirely up to the nurse and she apparently decided not to press charges.  If she does not choose to, not much else can be done.
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Male 3,347
waldo863 
Actually, it's up to the authorities whether of not to pursue charges, as the authorities witnessed, documented, and acknowledge the crimes.
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Male 1,832
Rough up a white nurse, get fired.
Kill an unarmed black man, that's cool.

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Male 3,347
oobaka 
The broader and more addressable issue is that we have entrenched, systemic issues not only with how police do their jobs, how complaints are investigated, how officer conduct is monitored and regulated, but also with how district attorney's treat police crimes, how police crimes are presented to grand jury's, how lesser charges and slap on the wrist plea deals for cops are discouragingly the norm, how the courts show incredible leniency to criminal cops, and how legislators absolutely refuse to address these issues.
Rather than singling out target victims - who admittedly make up the greatest percentage of those victimized by the system, the best course is to demand change for the sakje of all - thereby cutting off petty arguments involving special treatment for one group or another. 
This is called pulling together, which typically works better than does rank division and partisanship.  
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Male 1,976
oobaka So very true. I mean, he assaulted an unarmed (color not needed) nurse, who was displaying absolutely NO threat to him, or anyone else. He should receive a medal! On the other hand, if he had shot and killed a (color not needed) man who was acting in a threatening manner towards others, acting as if he has a weapon, and refusing to comply with orders, then he should be crucified, beaten, stabbed, poisoned, and shot, then drawn and quartered if he survives! Is this the way its supposed to work in your mind?
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Male 3,347
whosaidwhat 
I will remind you of Mr. Walter Scott, who was stopped for a minor traffic violation, was NOT confrontational, and who was shot to death while running AWAY from a police officer.
Spin that one. C'mon, spin that one.
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Male 1,976
captkangaroo And when have I ever said that there's no such thing as a bad cop? Yes, there are some real cases out there, but I get tired of all the knee jerks every time a cop shoots someone with justifiable cause, and everyone starts trying to crucify the cop immediately, without knowing the entire story. In the case of this post, the cop was a bad cop, and he got what he deserved. Try to spin that.
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Male 1,832
captkangaroo That officer was charged with murder. However he took a deal and murder was taken off the table BUT he still could face life in prison
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Male 3,347
oobaka 
well, the fact that he will not face the same penalties you or would if we, as civilians shot a retreating, unarmed man - then obstructed justice as well as committed perjury, hardly mitigates the fact that he did it because that is the environment police work in.
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Male 296
I mean, you can't be too hard on the guy. He probably wasn't familiar with all the details of his job with only 27 years of experience. You only really start getting the hang of it after year 30.
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Male 569
pirhomaniak You're right, you can't be too hard on the guy... I don't think it's possible.
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Male 3,801
I was going to post this when I got home.  This guy crossed so many lines it's not funny.  He's lucky the nurse doesn't press assault charges.
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Male 228

finally a police dept. gets something right.  
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Male 8,792
prichards114 Unfortunately they only got it right after it became a media issue.
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Male 5,419
I'm glad to see this. Taking away people's freedom (via the power of arrest) is a huge responsibility. When it's misused to this degree--against a respectful nurse who's simply doing her job--it strongly suggests the person doesn't belong in law enforcement.
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Male 40,560
He deserved punishment and retraining..... but do we have to fire everyone who makes a stupid mistake?

example
NFL coach snorts a little coke and his career is over. If he'd beat his wife NFL would've given him a raise.
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Gerry1of1 In this case, he should be imprisoned. He knowingly and willingly went against the law and assaulted the nurse, even after he'd been shown the policy that his own police department helped set up.

I agree that too often people are being called on to lose their jobs, but this isn't a case of misunderstanding, this is a case of a guy wilfully going "I am the law" and assaulting someone. 
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Male 40,560
barry9a  He didn't kill anyone. He made a stupid mistake.  Bust his grade down for less pay, retrain, a suspension / probation period. I see why some want him fired, but I think it's too harsh.
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Male 4,191
Gerry1of1 This isnt his first incident, how many chances should he get?
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Male 40,560
daegog I haven't read his personnel file, just going with the info I've gotten from the media.
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Male 1,283
Gerry1of1 At the very least he should be charged with assault.  The punishment should be double since it's his job to help stop things like assault from happening, not commit them.  If after he gets out he goes through re-training and an agency wants to hire him, sure, why not.  However, the fact that the worst that is happening to him is that he is losing his job is pretty stupid.  If you or I assaulted someone, we'd be behind bars, why is it different for him?
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Male 814
Gerry1of1 I can agree that punishment, and retraining would be ideak when bad things happen but when we've removed all of the nuance in police accountability do we have room for retraining?

There's two narratives going on here, when someone does not comply and end up dead or injured, some will argue the "idiot" brought it upon themselves for committing a crime, so in contrast when the professional does not comply and effectively commits a crime, people need to have that same energy, he essentially committed assault if someone put their hands on him in the same manner there would be legal justification to be shot dead, IMO that's harsh.
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Male 1,976
mischeif954 Agreed. Anyone with a high school education should know that what this tool did was not just wrong, but illegal. With the training and education he (should) have, he should've known MUCH better. Why retrain? If he didn't remember something this simple the first time, what makes anyone think he would do any better the second?
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Male 5,186
Sometime right things happens.
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