The "Arabs Are Semites Too" Fallacy

Submitted by: jayme21 2 months ago in News & Politics


Recently a resident IABer defended their anti semitism by saying:

Despite saying all this. I'm still not Anti-Semitic. Anti-Israel or Anti-Zionist yes. most definitely.

Lets define the words Anti and Semite. Anti - Against, Semite - a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs

The ease with which antisemites use this fallacious argument is an indication that the fallacy is commonly shared and accepted among anti-Zionists.  It is also an indication that anti-Zionists have a very low threshold of integrity for arguments that they are willing to use and re-use Ad nauseam.

This predilection for repeating lies that sound like truth is undoubtedly meant to score points based on the principle that “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself” as enunciated by Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler’s Propaganda Minister in Nazi Germany.

So let's do as this user suggested, lets define antisemitism:-

Oxford Dictionary "NOUN, Hostility to or prejudice against Jews."
Merriam Webster "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group"
Cambridge "the strongdislike or cruel and unfairtreatment of Jewishpeople"

But but the constituent words have different meanings those internationally recognised references of the English language must be wrong.

AntiSemtism is a compound word. Compound nouns often have a meaning that is different, or more specific, than the two separate words.  Think how Boyfriend or fire-fly have more specific meanings then  friend and boy, or a fly that is on fire.

So what? you might be thinking. It's just like them bloody Jews to make it all about them and not consider the Arabs part of their heritage. What is the history of the word Anti-Semitism?

The word "anti-Semitism" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marr as a more euphonious way of saying "Judenhass" (Jew-hatred), and has always meant exactly that. Its antonym, "Semitism" connoted a positive attitude toward the Jewish people. The word has become too sanitized and too easily misunderstood, which is exactly what Marr tried to accomplish with the word's creation.

It's because of this intellectually lazy and fictitious arguing that there are calls to no longer hyphenate the word.

There you go, IAB -- the more you know.

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549
This is funny. I stand by what I said, the definition of Semite is a person who speaks a Semitic language/is from a Semitic ethnicity. Arabs are Semites. There for someone who dislikes Arabs because they are Arabs is an anti-Semite.

The fact you have done this whole article just amazes me, you must really have been really butt hurt from our last engagement...
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Male 715
layla_wilson You stated among other reasons YOU were not anti semtic because semites include arabs. Lets focus on that point. From what you're saying  I guess you're right and loads of other words also count. Homophobia is massively overplayed homo means genus of homo sapiens, phobia means scared. So I doubt anyone is scared of humans ergo no homophobia exists. Trans phobia, no one is scared of transexuals they hate them, as phobia means fear it's wrong to say there is an issue of transphobia. Thats how ridiculous you are being... You get called anti semetic because you've said pretty much  Hitler had a point the jews destroyed russia and germany and they control the media. Thats nothing to do with your opinions on Israel.
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jayme21 without a hyphen it's a singular word with specific meaning. A hyphenated word is the conjunction of two separate words. It's not homo-phobia or trans-phobia, its homophobia/transphobia.

Anti means against and I've already told you what the definition of Semite is. To join the words with a hyphen and say it only corresponds to a specific group of Semitic people, is wrong, regardless of what the dictionary and co says. 

If you think because the dictionary and others like says it's true it must be true, do yourself a favor and ask yourself "how many times have they been amended"

I have no doubt if I put the time and effort in, I could start the conversation with them about why it needs amended and see it change, but the only reason I would put that effort in would be to shut you and other simpletons with no common sense up, and it's simply not worth it. 
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Male 41,551
layla_wilson Wrong, so entirely and utterly wrong.

Are you claiming that the Dictionary is lying? That it is some sort of Jewish Conspiracy? Is that why you refuse to accept the definition? That someday in the future the definition might be changed so you need not apply it now? That this (future change) makes you right and others wrong here and now? Holy Fuck!

Like the rest of your anti-Semitic bullshit? This is just so obviously wrong it might be funny if it wasn't such a serious topic...
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Male 41,551
jayme21 LOLZ Expertly done! I'm not a homo-phobe... I'm a misanthrope! 
:-)
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Male 5,307
5cats Hey, at least you're freely admitting you are a bigot now. That's a start. And no, calling me a faggot below did not get me mad like you wanted. It just showed what a horrible person you are.
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Male 41,551
layla_wilson Yes, Semites include Arabic people.
No, the TERM 'anti-Semite' does not include Arabic people unless they are Jews too. It is specific to those who hate the Jewish religion or its people.

Are fireflies 'on fire'? No? But the word 'fire' is in there, so they must be: according to you.

The fact that you cannot read a dictionary is what is really amazing. You really have nothing to defend your bullshit with except insults? That's so weak... but keep arguing with the dictionary, you look sooooo intelligent while doing so!
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Female 8,169
Why anyone should have a problem about a stranger based on anything other than the content of their character is a mystery to me, I may dislike action of the Israeli state but that doesn't mean I dislike Israelis,Jewish or otherwise.These global conspiracy theories are tedious and moronic.
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Male 715
madduck Uk politics scares me at the moment. The dehumanising nature of debate is getting worse and worse. Not just against migrants jews (from both sides) and Muslims. But i've never been comfortable with one side calling their opponents vermin. Its never they disagree its they are evil heartless non people.  When you stop viewing people as human you can do whatever you like to them and society goes down the pan... yous think the side that purpots to stand up for the forgotten would get that.
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Female 8,169
jayme21 - I cannot understand it. I am involved in a FB group which give phone credit to refugees ( join- we need members) and they are decent people in horrible terrible despair and we don't help? I do not understand how people can be that heartless- apart from any other consideration think of the skill we are losing- doctors, dentists, lawyers- its just horrible. 
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Male 41,551
madduck There are millions who believe every word of those nonsensical conspiracy theories against Jews. Some of them are just so stupid it beggars the imagination, yet it is 'Gospel' (no pun intended) to them!

And people use the "I just dislike Israel not Jews" to excuse their vile and deplorable anti-Semitism. That's just what humans do I guess...

How these people argue in one breath that "Palestinians have a RIGHT to a homeland" and in the very next breath say "Jews have NO right to a homeland" is beyond my understanding also...
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Male 433
5cats Yes, exactly. You can't have peace for one side only, except if you apply genocide or send them into exiles - into diaspora.
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Male 40,490
" I'm not Anti-Semitic I like Arabs"  - I've never said that. In fact I don't know anyone who HAS said that
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Male 715
Gerry1of1 I paraphrased a lengthy comment in this thread. Where the user essentially said they werent anti semtic because semetic people include arabs. But a title doesnt allow me to say "There is a huge misconception of Anti-Semitism. Because I dislike some Jews and..."
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549
jayme21 yes I dislike some people for their actions, they happen to be Jewish. That doesn't make me an anti-Semite. The fact you still go in about this is proving the huge misconception to people so thanks, you scored an own goal with this one. Bravo
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Male 6
layla_wilson why beat around the bush?  Semantics are unnecessary - tomato or tomaato - you hate Jews and are a bigot. It really doesn't matter what you are called. 
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549
Arm1 your post is rather irrelevant. It's tomato, not tomaato. Who calls it a tamaato?

I dislike some Jews. I have much respect for some.

I scolled through your 6 comments over the past 5 years, and noticed you never reply. Maby it's because you are trolling under a different name?

But no it doesn't matter what I'm called, I know I'm not an anti-Semite, my Jewish friends have told me so.
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Male 41,551
layla_wilson There's lots of Jews who are anti-Semites...

And you really are desperate now, claiming everyone who disagrees with you is a troll or a puppet? How about addressing their valid points? Like the definition of words or the use of the English language? No? You have no defense there, so you attack. Childish in the extreme.
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549
5cats you are fucking retarded plain and simple.

What you have just said literally makes no sense according to the definition of anti-semitism that you live and abide by.

You may aswell have said "there are lots of Jews, who hate Jews for being Jews and discriminate against them solely because they are Jewish"

Once again, you are a special kind of stupid.
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Male 41,551
layla_wilson Nothing but insults, getting more 'grade school' level by the comment eh?
Anything to avoid the subject, anything but admitting you are wrong.
Typical.

"Jews make the best anti-Semites" is an old Jewish saying, fyi.

There is nothing in the definition that says a Jew cannot be an anti-Semite. You are literally full of shit and you probably know it, yet you continue...
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549
5cats think about it, and stop being fucking rediculous.

Anti-Semitic Jew. Let's break that down IN YOUR opinion of what anti-Semite means

A Jew that shows hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.

That doesn't make sense. At all. A Jew may dislike other Jews because of their actions BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM ANTI-SEMITIC. You have proved you can't even properly comprehend the English language

BUT!, if anti-Semitic included discrimination against all Semitic people that old Jewish saying of yours becomes extremely true. They are the best at discriminating and acting hostile against other Semites and getaway with It while the rest of the Semites suffer.

You have proved once again, your a special type of stupid. You have no common sense what so ever.


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Male 41,551
layla_wilson I'm white, I can hate white people too, yes?
I'm Canadian, I can hate other Canadians, yes?
Americans hate each other sometimes, ask any Texan what they think of Californians, or vice-versa, yes?
You UK peeps hate each other a lot! The Troubles and all, yes?

So WHY cannot a Jew hate other Jews? An anti-Semite hates Jews and that's all the definition requires. The race, religion or gender of the hater is meaningless.

My opinion? That is backed up by the English language: the Dictionary says so. You have nothing at all backing up what you say. My facts > your opinions no matter how often you pretend otherwise.

You keep repeating that which has been proven to be a lie. The TERM anti-Semite does NOT include Arabs unless they too are Jewish. No Muslims, Christians or any other RELIGION are in that group. This is a cold, hard fact which you choose to ignore. 

You keep making a fool of yourself, and you keep talking to me when you said you'd stop. I guess lying your speciality eh? You lie to yourself daily, I guess it's just a habit for you...

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549
5cats you've failed miserably, Jews can hate other Jews. BUT if a Jew hates another Jew because they don't get along or they disagree, guess what ITS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.

""hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group"
...........

religious, ethnic, or racial group.


You still haven't comprehended what the definition is (in the dictionary)

An act of aggression or hostility towards a Jew, is only anti-Semitic if you are doing it because of their religious, ethnic, or racial group, but you (still) seem to think that ANY hostilities or aggression towards any Jew For any reason is anti-Semitic when clearly, it's not the case.

If I said, I dislike this guy called joe (whohappens to be black)because he's a bully, I'm not racist for saying I dislike him for being a bully.


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layla_wilson OH! Suddenly you know what a fucking dictionary is for? Lolz! How fucking convenient for you. Ignore it one minute then claim it supports you the next? But it does nothing at all to support your idiotic 'argument', it supports mine though!

NO that doesn't meant that a Jew cannot possibly hate other Jews as a group and thus be an anti-Semite. Different sects can (as has been pointed out) hate each other and still belong to the same religion, easily. For one example. 

You hate Jews, at least everything you've said and done here on IAB points to that. You embrace those who hate Jews and excuse their terrorism and murder, claiming it is justifiable because the targets are Jews (and therefor deserve it). Simple, and here you are doubling down again and again... and failing so badly each time! Amazing.
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549
5cats I don't ignore it, I disagree with some definitions because they are outdated/not correct by today's standards. And as I have pointed out, as time goes on definitions change. And the dictionary amends the definition. 

But, I'm gonna put this argument to the side, for both me and you, us arguing over this topic isn't just unproductive, all it does is infuriate both of us. 

We both feel we are right and we both believe the other is wrong and we both know we aren't going to come to agreement (on this topic at least, we have on others before, so it is possible)

So, I want to make an offer of putting all of this to bed, and agree that we are polar opposite on some beliefs but it shouldn't lead to crap like this argument. 

I don't like saying horrible things, people can say horrible things about me and I really don't give a fuck lol. But if there's one thing I hate more than arguing it's saying bad things to othes. I know I've said some harsh things, but you have too.(I will admit I may have been a bit worse)

If you agree, I'd like to end all hostilities between us, and try and get along without conflict. Feel free to share opinions on subjects, but not go any further than that (unless it's appropriate conversation on something which we would both agree on, which would be nice)

Anyway, hope you agree and think this is beneficial for us both. Sorry for any troubles caused.

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Male 41,551
layla_wilson Um, they update the dictionary every single year you know?
And your version is simply wrong, so admit it.
Well, am glad you're chilled now :-) Sweet dreams eh?

(people here are mean and rude all the time to me, it's never welcome but it's rarely a surprise, unfortunately)
(and by people I mean liberal-leftists, the most bigoted and intolerant people I've ever met in my life... for the most part, not all of course, but see how I have to even say that?? Intolerant indeed)
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549
5cats I'm, gonna stay chill, and not admit I'm wrong. ;)
I believe that the term is wrongly defined, and i disapprove of its over use. Yes people like hitler and Nebuchadnezzar II were true anti-Semites, but regardless of your opinion of me, I'm not anti-Semitic and there are many other people falsely accused as one, I have no problem with the religion or ethnicity of Jews. On the contrary I have alot  of respect for all religion in general, predominantly pre-monotheistic religions which formed the basis of present day religions.

I'd also like to explain why the liberal-left are bigoted and intolerant to your views, because your views fall in line with the conservative-right and the liberal-left feel that you and people with your opinions are the most bigoted and intolerant people. End result is everyone is a bigot and intolerant towards something. Everyone is unique, it's what makes us human. If politicians we elect to represent us can't tolerate each other, why expect us to eh? ^^

At the end of the day, we are two sides of the same coin. Each the reason of the others existence. after all, How boring would the world be if everyone agreed with everything? xD


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Male 41,551
layla_wilson It goes far beyond 'disliking Israel for their actions' and well into Holocaust-land in your mind... well whatever is left of your 'mind' anyhow.
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Male 41,551
Gerry1of1 There's been several of those statements actually, from our resident group of anti-Semites. Over the years.

IDK if I should name them, that might be rude. I'm sure 1-2 of them will soon be along to display their true colours for us! And yes that quote (in the post) is from a relatively recent conversation here, it isn't unique or misunderstood: it was forcefully defended by them.
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Male 5,307
5cats Your views on hate are confusing as hell. You wonderfully stand up for Jewish people, yet fling more hate on IAB than anyone here. I'll see you tell someone to go fuck themselves or call them a cunt, and I scratch my head trying to find what in the person's comment warranted such an extreme response. You grossly twist facts around to falsely claim the KKK is controlled by the Democrats when the majority of their members clearly identify as conservatives. And what does controlled by the Democrats even mean? The KKK is in no way controlled by the Republicans. You falsely claim that the nazis are socialists, when they are fascists. This is done so you can falsely claim that nazis are liberals. So I guess it was liberals who were marching in Charlottesville with torches chanting "Jews will not divide us" and "Heil Trump". Then at the same time you stand up for the KKK and nazi's right to voice their opinion yet vehemently attack Kapernick for doing the same. You falsely claim the peaceful liberal protesters and the Antifa are all the same. And you falsely claim the peaceful protesters invite the antifa to the protest, when in reality they don't want those assholes there. You twist the message of the BLM around to falsely make them out to be a hate group. Which again just leaves me scratching my head. You gleefully use the n-word whenever you see it being brought up. You twist Kapernick's protest around to falsely make it seem like he is protesting the national anthem and not the treatment that Americans allow to happen to black people. You did the same thing to Obama's pastor by pushing the false narrative that he was attacking America, and not what he was really doing, attacking the government for their treatment of minorities (Japanese, Indians, black people, etc.). You attacked women for marching against sexism. And although your treatment of gays isn't what it used to be when I first got on here I still see bits of hateful words against gays come from you. And you use the word "liberal" like it is the most evil thing in the world to be. You pretend as if people are either all liberal or all conservative when in reality we are all a little of both. The so called liberals are our friends and family. The so called conservatives are our friends an family. Yet you push this divide so hard people think you are being paid to do it.

TLDR: So are you Jewish and that is why you stick up for this one group? With all the rest of the division, hate and negativity you spew on here it is the only explanation I can find.
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549
markust123 hes a mentally ill bigot who's only perception of reality is through a computer screen. Thats my genuine guess
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Male 41,551
layla_wilson You cannot even guess your own gender... and we're supposed to take you seriously?
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markust123 TL:DR I'm a Jew now? Fuck you. You could find better explanations shoved up your ass if you had two brain cells to work with... you pulled all these other "facts" out of your ass didn't you? Keep digging then.

This is vile, hate-filled dreck. I'm not wading through it point by point, there's nothing here but lies and innuendo. Fucking at least number your fucking lies for easier refutation. Chickenshit.

"He defends Jews, so he must BE a Jew! That's the only reason anyone would stand up against terrorism and Holocaust, there's nothing else I can find."
Fucking shut the fuck up.
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Male 5,307
5cats, "I'm a Jew now? Fuck you."

Well I see your true feelings about the jewish community is out now too. And how did you get that from me saying, "You wonderfully stand up for Jewish people..." and "So are you Jewish and that is why you stick up for this one group?"  
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Male 41,551
markust123 So are you Jewish...

Gosh! Where could I possibly have come to think that you implied I was a Jew? Gee, what a mystery... fucking really? The "I'm only asking questions" fallacy? That's the best you got?

Well after that wall of bullshit I should expect nothing less from you...
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Male 5,307
5cats You're the one that took being called Jewish as an insult. You're the one that used the term Jew in a derogatory manor and angrily told me to fuck off for implying that you are Jewish. This is a prime example of how you twist people's words around. You're not an honest person
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Male 41,551
markust123 Are you a faggot that you are saying that? Oh my! Did you take that as an insult (like always) or something? I'm only asking a question, it is you who thinks it was insulting...

NO FUCKHEAD I take exception to this piss-poor idea of yours that the ONLY way I could support the nation of Israel is if I'm a secretly a Jew. There is NO ONE ELSE on the planet except Jews who support Israel? Not one non-Jewish person? This is your position? Fuck that shit, you are filled with lies and thus you see them everywhere. You call me dishonest when you tell WHOPPERS like that one?

Well, given your wall of lies above I should not have expected anything else. At least you kept it short this time.
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Male 5,307
5cats You are arguing against things I never said or even implied. Are you schizophrenic? I have a very close friend who is. It would explain a lot.
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Male 4,114
markust123 You hit the nail on the head.  5cats is mentally disturbed, and often does not take enough meds.

You can clearly see by his typing the level of medication he is on.

Im not a doctor, but this dude needs massive quantities of lithium, stat.
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Male 41,551
markust123 So: You never said I 'attacked' or spread 'false' rumours about Obama's Pastor? A "false narrative" you never said that?
Or all that other crap too? It's all in my imagination? Ha!

LOOK: You falsely claim that the nazis are socialists, when they are fascists.
Ok first of all? Fascism is NOT conservatism, it pays no attention to that aspect of politics. That is a deliberate lie spread by the MSM.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
I don't see the words 'conservative' or 'right-wing' in there, do you? And I see a lot of leftist and communist principles embraced by fascism...

Secondly the Nazis WERE socialists! FFS! It's right there in their NAME. And their policies of big government and control of industry are socialist also.

So quit your bitching, you are the one throwing shit. Don't get mad when I pick your shit up and throw it back at you.
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5cats When I was saying you are arguing against things I never said or even implied, I was talking about your Jewish comments. I have never, ever said anything negative on IAB about the Jewish community, Jewish people, or Israel. That is not how I was raised. In my comment I was actually praising you for standing up for Jewish people. You took me asking if you are Jewish as something horribly negative. That was all you. That was all in your head. You used the term Jew in a derogatory way multiple times in this thread. You did that, not me. In the first comment you ended with a bizarre hate filled rant in quotes that I guess was supposed to be what you thought I was saying. I don't really know because that is not how quotes are supposed to be used. All the hate that you thought I was saying was 100% coming from inside you. It's not just this instance. I could go to any thread you are responding to and there is a good chance you will be arguing against something the person did not say or imply. That is why I was asking if you are schizophrenic. If you are it would help us in knowing how to better interact with you in a more positive way.
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markust123 Where have I used the word Jew in a derogatory way? More lies.

You claimed that the ONLY reason a person could support Israel is if they themselves were Jewish. You said "it is the only explanation I can find". So you 'asked the loaded question' and it was you being derogatory, not me. I don't NEED to be Jewish to support Freedom, Democracy and Equality ok? Some non-Jews kind of like those things too.

Oh and Gay Rights as well: try being openly gay in half the Muslim nations on Earth, including Gaza, see how far you get...
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Male 5,307
5cats, "You claimed that the ONLY reason a person could support Israel is if they themselves were Jewish."

Are you trolling me? In an response to me calling you out for arguing against things I never said or even implied, you are arguing against something I never said.

I was talking about you, only you, when I said, "So are you Jewish and that is why you stick up for this one group? With all the rest of the division, hate and negativity you spew on here it is the only explanation I can find."
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markust123 Yes, the only explanation you can find for me supporting Israel (which you call spewing hate & etc) is that I must be a Jew too. Thus non-Jews cannot support Israel, only Jews can, according to you.

You even said "...you stick up for this one group?" which are Jews. Again the only explanation YOU can see is that I must be Jewish too.
You said it, you even quoted yourself saying it. Blatant racism by you. Thanks for admitting it.
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5cats, "Yes, the only explanation you can find for me supporting Israel (which you call spewing hate & etc)"

Supporting Israel is not what I call spewing hate. It is fascinating to watch you twist people's words around. For the third time now, what I called spewing hate were things like the first line in your initial comment where you were so offended at being asked if you are Jewish that you angrily said, "I'm a Jew now? Fuck you."

5cats, "You even said "...you stick up for this one group?" which are Jews. Again the only explanation YOU can see is that I must be Jewish too."

Yes I said that but no I did not use the derogatory term, Jew. That is all your hate. The answer is in the rest of my quote that you conveniently left off so that you could take what I said out of context. I asked this question because you are so negative and/or hateful about every other minority group that it is confusing why you so adamantly stick up for this one group when you attack everyone else. I stick up for Muslims, refuges, African Americans, Dreamer kids, gays, Transsexuals, my Jewish friends, the French when they were being character assassinated after 9/11, women's rights, the poor, etc. 
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markust123 You said the ONLY PEOPLE who support Israel are Jews. How many times will you avoid the plain truth? Anyone who does so must be a Jew! Since only Jews would support such a murderous apartheid (or some such shit) and genocide. You said this. That is as anti-Semitic a statement as can possibly be. Not to mention racist and irrational.

So fuck you and your lies. You cannot admit the obvious facts? Then why should I entertain your OPINIONS? Which are another boat-load of LIES as I have already proven.
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5cats All the anti-Semetic things you are falsely claiming I said above are coming from inside YOUR head. All of that hate. I never said any of that. Read through my comments. You can say it as many times as you want it won't make it true. All that hate is coming from inside you. 

Update: Oh my God, are you looking at my comments where I am quoting the hate you are spewing and thinking that is me saying what is in the quotes? That would be hilariously idiotic.
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markust123 Are you claiming there are NO conservative-leaning Democrats in America? I'm not talking candidates (which there absolutely are) but the citizens who vote for and support the Dems. NOT ONE in all of America leans conservative eh?
And not one Dem supports the KKK. You consider this a reasonable position? Huh.

I consistently say that IN THE PAST the Democrats were 100% in charge of the KKK and made up the VAST majority of its membership. The modern KKK is a joke, a shadow of its former self. Who cares what the members are now? But I'll bet they're still largely Democrats. 
If you want to ignore history and pretend that stuff never happened while the Dems controlled the KKK? Be my guest, but do NOT demand I also do that.
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markust123 "You did the same thing to Obama's pastor by pushing the false narrative that he was attacking America"

Um? Saying that America 'deserved 9/11' and chanting 'God damn America' in his sermons is not misrepresenting him, these were clips from the church's own promotional video: it is what he and they wanted the rest of the world to think. It was the truth. Also he's a rabid anti-Semite too: he blamed the Jews for not letting him visit Obama in the White House for one example. (hint: Obama threw him under the bus because he was now a liability, an embarrassment)
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THANK YOU! I told that commentor all most of this, to no avail.
It is a phrase (compound word), the individual parts do not fully represent what it means. This sort of nonsense is used to cover-up a hatred of Jews, plain and simple. 

Same for 'anti-Zionist' or 'free Palestine'.
The PLO's (Hamas, Fatah and others are the same PLO as bygone days) definition of where and what Palestine is includes ALL of what the UN considers to be Israel. It also includes more, but they're starting with that: the only way to 'free Palestine' is to drive every Jew out of what currently constitutes Israel, just like they did in Gaza.

The Palestinian people have 2 homelands already: Gaza and Jordan. :-)
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Male 715
5cats The Palestinian people have 2 homelands already: Gaza and Jordan. :-)

And you know the palestinian territories... the Fatah controlled ones
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jayme21 The West Bank? Yeah but that land is shrinking all the time as the Palestinians move out and the Jews legally buy it up.
Why stay there? No jobs, a corrupt dictatorship, no freedom, no safety, no infrastructure :/

If they can the sane ones are leaving and not looking back. Israel should just Annex the WB and Golan and be done with it. And all of Jerusalem. If Russia can do it? So can they. Heavy handed but I think it is inevitable.
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