PETA Reaches Settlement In Monkey Selfie Case

Submitted by: fancylad 2 months ago in News & Politics Weird


Fucking PETA. According to a report from the BBC, lawyers for the shady animal-rights group has reached a settlement in a copyright dispute over a photograph taken by a monkey by the name the crested macaque monkey that had taken a selfie on the photographer’s camera.

PETA argued that the monkey, and not the owner of the camera, owned the copyright on the picture. In a Monday settlement, the camera owner agreed to donate 25 percent of any future revenue on the photograph to charities that protect the monkeys.

The selfie in question (those eyes!):

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Male 5,214

Dagnabbit. I hate to be proven wrong by a gargoyle. Anyway, I was blabbering on here without knowing all the details of this rather complex story. Much of what I said was wrong. Allow me to correct my errors.

  • PETA wasn't just suing the owner of the camera to get him to contribute toward the welfare of the monkeys. They were suing to have the intellectual property rights of the photo transferred to the monkey. They were trying to set a legal precedent so that animals could hold copyrights. Now in my case, I think that's a grand idea. But for your average monkey? Not so much.
  • The wildlife photographer who was being sued by PETA has apparently undergone a lot of financial hardship because of the lawsuit. It sounds like Punko was right when he said that he agreed to the settlement mainly, or at least in part, to get PETA off his back.

The whole situation is complicated. I've spent at least 30 minutes reading about the lawsuits (there are more than one) here and I'm still not sure I understand the whole thing. If anyone else wants to dive into this and simplify it so a squirrel can understand it, be my guest.

At any rate, I think Punko was more right about all this than I was. In short, PETA was really trying to change copyright law and they seem to have been using the courts to harass the photographer. All that said, it's good to see that the monkeys seem to have come out of the situation better than they were when the whole brouhaha started.
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Male 976
squrlz4ever I appreciate the gesture, but I didn't do anything.  You did all the work by following up the story and deciding for yourself. 

I'd offer you hickory nuts from my nice shagbark hickory out back, but your northern kin have stripped the damn tree bare.  They do it during the day, so all I can do is stare menacingly.
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Male 5,214
punko LOL! No doubt they make all manner of obscene gestures too, then hide before the sun sets.
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Male 6,099
Now jail the monkey for attempting to steal the camera owner's camera.
Also: What do you call 50 dead lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
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A good start!
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Male 8,715
Congrats....Why'd I'd like to invite my local PETA Chapter to a celebratory Bar-B-Q!
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Male 15,339
But think of how many animals they could kill with all the money.

PETA kills around 10x more animals than Japanese whalers per year.
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Male 2,309
Draculya They put down animals that suck anyway.
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Male 1,779
Now I will have to stop taking pics of my dogs because I have to pay them royalty's.
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Male 6,198
Royalties for all Squirrel selfies should be paid to Horatio P. Squirrel at 2nd Oak to the Left Nutburg Pa.
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Male 521
I hope PETA had to pay millions! 
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Male 5,214
I don't disagree with PETA's actions here. That's one of the greatest selfies of all time and it was posed for and shot by a monkey. The chances of the owner of the camera being able to get a shot like this by himself are about nil. Ergo, it only seems fair that the monkey and his pals get a cut. Since this was settled out of court, it would appear the owner of the camera agrees.
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squrlz4ever you are an idiot

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Male 5,214
stephen_clark_porter Why thank you, Stephen. Have a nice day.
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Male 976
squrlz4ever Nope.  This is a negotiated settlement between two parties.  It has no legal standing.  The owner paid off PETA to stop bugging him.  This does not change a thing.  If PETA thought they had a chance to win, they'd have ignored the settlement and  pushed for a court date.

The only way the ape should get control over his creative work if it can be shown to have understood what he was doing and have legal capacity to understand the law.

a 5 year old does not have legal control of their creative work, and they understand what photos are, are able to decide when and where to take them, and can achieve better or worse photos.  However, a 5 year old does not understand the legal implications of creative ownership.

And a 5 year old has a substantial understand of our language. This primate does not understand what was going on.
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Male 5,214
punko Nope to what? If you'll check the story, you'll find that the owner of the camera won: a judge threw out PETA's lawsuit for the legal reasons you've detailed. PETA was trying to make the point that if the owner of the camera is making large sums of money off of a selfie that was literally taken by the monkey himself (or herself), then the photographer ought to share some of the proceeds with the monkey or monkeys that made it all possible. We're talking ethics here, not copyright law. Again: the case was thrown out. The photographer could have simply given PETA the finger and walked off. He chose not to and instead did the right thing and is returning a fraction of the proceeds from the image to the monkeys so... you know, their entire habitat isn't destroyed and there's a chance that the grandchildren of the people giggling at the image will be able to see the monkeys in the wild.

Not sure why people are having such a problem with this story unless it's just a knee-jerk reaction borne of hatred for PETA.
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Male 2,309
squrlz4ever Good posts from both of you.
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Male 5,214
SPrinkZ Well, thanks. If you see my latest comment, I think Punko was more right on this than I was. But it's a darn complicated issue.
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Male 976
squrlz4ever I dislike the concept that PETA "won" this case.  The photographer agreed to use some of the money to support the monkeys.  I do like that he did it, I dislike that PETA are parading this decision as some kind of victory.

I am also a bit sensitive to concept of creative works and the proper use of copyright.  (Disney is pretty much evil on this topic, but so are folks that simply feel that they can do whatever they  like with a creative work that they may, or may not, have paid for their personal use.
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Male 6,198
squrlz4ever How come no one speaks for all the octopus selfies posted all over YouTube? is it because they are not cute and furry like monkeys and hairless apes, Although I find them very troubling and ugly to view (the ape and monkeys not the octopoids).
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Male 976
thezigrat Pfft.  Cause octopoids have no backbone (rimshot)
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Male 518
squrlz4ever But where does it end? Will we have to censor the flagella of microbes because they did not consent? 

Also how do we know which charities the monkey supports? If the monkey took the pic and is gaining profit from it, shouldn't that money be taxed and regulated?

I assume you sell photos of yourself for profit and have to pay sales tax on all the nuts and berries that you buy with it.
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Male 6,198
toetagmodel2 They support the "Save The Octopus Foundation" and for a mere 19.95 per week we will send you this plush Octopus shaped blanket
Those payments can be sent in cash to K2-72 E, 2nd star to the right and on till morning, Aquarius. 
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Male 1,531
squrlz4ever seriously?
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Male 6,198
woodyville06 Only Fair
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Male 1,531
thezigrat who did the ape hire that they squeezed an out of court settlement from the guy, Gloria Fucking Allred?
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Male 6,198
woodyville06 Bubbles, Bonobo and Kline ATTL, Same apes that got Michael J off.
Bubbles is said to have gotten Michael off many times at Never Land.
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Male 1,531
woodyville06 in her defense she has represented some real chimps in the past...
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Male 5,214
The Fancy worldview is becoming clearer.

rock music > furries > millennials in the workplace > PETA > Trump
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Male 3,617
squrlz4ever and more 9/11 wacko posts
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Male 6,198
squrlz4ever Furries do not bother me. I like some furry girl art and have even done some for various art sites
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Male 1,531
squrlz4ever I hope he gives up Trump for lent
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Male 6,198
woodyville06 I hope the US gives up Trump by Lent
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