New Crime Data Doesn't Reflect What We've Been Led To Believe

Submitted by: 5cats 3 weeks ago in News & Politics


Heather MacDonald digs deep into the FBI's crime data for 2016 and anticipates what the BLM crew will soon be telling you. 

The reality of the numbers, of course, is nothing like BLM's propaganda repeated by the MSM. In reality cops are not running around murdering Blacks, in fact the opposite is true: 

"In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers—committed vastly and disproportionately by black males."

And here's another article by her on the subject, from September of last year: 

"You would never know it from the (BLM) activists, but police shootings are responsible for a lower percentage of black homicide deaths than white and Hispanic homicide deaths. Twelve percent of all whites and Hispanics who die of homicide are killed by police officers, compared to 4 percent of black homicide victims."

This longer article goes into the reasons why so many Black people are stopped by and arrested by the cops: because Blacks are disproportionately more likely to be committing crimes. Because more crimes happen in 'minority' neighborhoods which are carried out by those minorities against themselves.

Bad cops do bad things, this is true, no one denies it. But that is not normal, it is the exception. They are, for the most part, severely punished when they do.

Race based drugs gangs are the real reason for the majority of crime in America. A tiny minority of people of various races cause most of the crime directly or indirectly. Protesting against and demonizing the police isn't going to solve that problem, it will actually make it worse.
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Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.

Yeah, there's no cooking the stats there. 50% of the population are female, yet how many cop-killers are? 'male' was just included to make the stats 'pop'.

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barry9a So what? How many cop killers are Black females? Not many.

And even if you say 17% ( these studies use 15% of America is Black)? How is that proportional to the 42% of Black cop killers? It is not. It is still true, either way.

But thank you for actually looking at the post! I think you're the first non-conservative to do so :-) And you were polite too :-)
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Rich, white man molests kids, has child pornography on his computer. Gets five years.

Poor, black kid busts out the window of a police car during a protest, faces life in prison.

No, there's nothing wrong with the justice system.
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bryan_gilchrist 
gotta love the addition of "poor" because it's not his fault he went to the protest and attacked city property and potentially hurt a policeman (even though that could even be seen as assaulting an officer),
also 5 years ain't enough but he's going to go through hell as the bottom rung of the inmate hierarchy 
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bryan_gilchrist Show me a rioter who got life in proison for breaking a window, I double-dare you!
Setting the car on fire while the cops were still in it? That would be entirely different.

I NEVER said there was "nothing wrong" with the "justice system" ok? Get that straight: it is entirely possible to point out the lies of BLM without "blindly supporting cops murdering innocent Black children by the thousands" ok? The two are separate (but related!) issues.
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In 2016 146 officers died in the line of duty. 3 9/11 related deaths, an aircraft accident, 2 by accidental gunfire - it goes on, but only 63 of those officers died by gunfire. 
In that same year, 1163 citizens were killed by officers. This includes armed and unarmed 'suspects, the mentally ill - in one case the man was clearly mentally ill and unarmed, as he was naked and acting deranged - as well as those determined innocent of crime and/or threat - yet still, somehow, 'justified' shootings.
In 2017 so far, 146 officers died in the line of duty - 34 by gunfire, the rest are the odd assortment of reasons listed in 2016. Interesting to note, is those died in car crashes - which account for 22 officers, is separate from the 5 who died in vehicle pursuits. As well as a cop that died in a motorcycle accident, 2 in aircraft, 2 in boats, 4 drowned, 1 exposure to toxins, 9 heart attacks. While so far in 2017 890 citizens have been killed by police.
This so called war on police? Maybe not, huh? In the interactions between cops and citizens, citizens are nearly ten times more likely to be killed by the cop, than the cop is by the citizen. 
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captkangaroo If a suspect resists arrest with violence and a weapon, WTF are cops supposed to do? "Take a bullet for the team"? Are they supposed to let the suspect go? What exactly do you think should happen?

Cop deaths are WAY up and BLM has to bear some of the responsibility. They openly call for cop-killing, their chants are very specific. Organized and planned violent riots don't make anyone happy, except the SJWs who support and attend them.
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5cats 
Recognizing and understanding the need for police reform hardly makes one an 'SJW'.
You either can not - or will not - understand the implications of the statistics I quoted.
Whatever.
You state that resisting an arrest with violence and a weapon means, I guess, that police can respond as they please. 
Are you aware that many people are falsely arrested by police who fabricate cause, then perjure themselves on reports, who initiate the violence?
Or are we to believe that police are unfailingly honest, aren't subject to human foibles, and should never be personally held accountable for wrongdoing, poor judgement, and mistakes? 
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Male 40,772
captkangaroo I don't see how rioting and looting does anything to address the issue, in fact it makes matters far worse. 

I clearly understand them: cops die from accidents a lot. But if the 2-3 innocents killed by cops in a year are worth rioting over? What about the 30+ cops who are murdered? And yes it is murder to kill a cop, what else could it be? But mistakes and tragic accidents happen, it is not always murder when a cop shoots even an unarmed person.

I have repeatedly said: there are bad cops, NO ONE denies this. So? Are you going to lynch every cop you see because of that? That's BLM's message. Why are you such an wildly ridiculous comparison?
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5cats
2-3 innocents a year, huh?
You are ignorant regarding this issue. When you've educated yourself, we can continue the discussion.
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Male 40,772
captkangaroo Yup. Because when it happens it makes the headlines nation-wide. Rightfully so! It is both rare and tragic, people are interested in those things. Killing cops in the USA? Not news, barely makes the local press. Also Blacks killing whites isn't news either...
The MSM has an open agenda to push, the one you're pushing too. Exactly as I predicted.

You know of more unarmed compliant people shot to death by police? Link them or stfu. If you say 'Michael Brown' I will laugh in your face so hard... remember BLM is based on Brown: a criminal who grabbed the cop's gun and later turned back to attack him. Facts matter.
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5cats 
... And the rude asshole in you comes out - discussion over, asshole.
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captkangaroo And your complete lack of substance is fully exposed! 

And you've been the model of manners? I asked you to put up or shut up, hardly rude unless you've literally got nothing to show... then of course you get all abusive and attack! You have nothing else, like most liberal-lefties.
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5cats 
No sir. What you've done - from the start - is take a snotty tone, ask stypid questions and make outlandish claims.
I merely said you were ignorant - not an insult, just means you lack facts - and urged you educate yourself. Nothing in your hyperbolic responses suggests you've done that. 

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Male 87
Facts are difficult to swallow when it goes against the narrative you hold dear.
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grryan
this, that's why both sides skew and twist and add/drop what they need to get that nice shiny diamond from the huge pile of evidence 
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5cats what you have to realise is it's the black community who have been severely discriminated and mistreated by the police for decades, coming out with stats like this doesn't justify the killing of innocent black people at the hands of trigger happy moronic cops. 


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layla_wilson I'm sorry but you need to wake up. Data, not statistics, show that black crime, black on black crime are out of control. If they aren't doing the crime how come so many blacks are in jail/prison? The LAW is blind. I've sat on enough juries to see past the BS the attorneys try to pull and I've sent them to jail and I've also done justice by letting them go. It's called personal responsibility. I'm a former LEO and if I tell you to put you hands up or get on the fucking ground, you fucking better do it. I don't care if you're black or white trash, innocent or guilty, I want to go home to my family. If you are still naive enough to believe the narratives fed to you by the media, notice I didn't say left or right, you need to grow up. If the Ferguson idiot didn't really do what the media said, why did a grand jury that had way more access to info than the media say the cop was justified? Answer that question with concise factual answers and we can go from there.
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scheckydamon "If they aren't doing the crime how come so many blacks are in jail/prison?"

OK. let me help you with that.

A white guy drives with a little pot in his car through a suburb. He goes home and smokes it.

A black guy drives with a little pot in his car through a suburb. He gets pulled over for "matching a description" and the cop smells pot and asks him to get out so he can search his car. His dime bag is found and he does 3 years in prison.

It isn't the DOING THE CRIME rate that differs. It is the GETTING CAUGHT rate that differs.
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scheckydamon Why did the grand jury let the cop walk?  Because the jury was filled with people like you.

When I hear terms like black on black crime, i already know the score.  It's pretending that 85% of white people are not killed by white people.

The law is not and never has been blind.  Systemic racism in america is fucking real, how many posts do you need me to show before you will see that shit?

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daegog Or because the cop was in fact innocent? That ever occurred to you genius boy? The cop did not 'walk' he was innocent from the start.

Next you'll say Michael Brown was shot in cold blood 'execution style' or some such similar lie...

In fact (if you had troubled yourself to glance at the links provided) cops shoot whites far more often than blacks, that there were 16 death where the suspect was 'unarmed'. That doesn't mean he was not fighting or behaving in a threatening way, but that he didn't happen to have a gun or knife.

Yes, bad cops do bad things, and terrible and tragic mistakes are made. But compared to the thousands of blacks killed by other blacks? White cops are not the problem that needs fixing the most. The VAST MAJORITY of cops are good.

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5cats Wow, so in America it's acceptable for the cops to shoot unarmed people if they're 'behaving in a threatening way'?

What a fucked up country.
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Male 40,772
DrCribbens If a person of any ilk honestly and with cause believes their life is in danger from the actions of another? They are legally allowed to defend themselves or their friends and family. Black, white, cops, pizza-guys, everyone.

The 'unarmed' people who got killed were almost always resisting arrest with violence. It is extremely rare (but it does happen!) that the completely innocent are shot and killed by police. And it also happens to Whites and other races, so it is not a result of "institutionalized racism" ok?
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5cats I'm not talking about racism. I just think it's awful that you think it's normal for cops (of any colour) to shoot unarmed people (of any colour).

I don't know what the law is in America (presumably it's the same one the army use--"did you see something move? Machine gun the fucker!") but in the UK the law is that it's OK to use appropriate force. This most definitely applies to the police as well. In other words, if a policeman is faced with an unarmed man, even if that man is threatening or attacking him, it's absolutely not ok for him to shoot him. The police use appropriate force to subdue him. Even if he's resisting arrest with violence.

That's how it's done in civilised countries.
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DrCribbens NORMAL??? WHO SAID NORMAL???
Show me where I said it is normal, or STFU. Make shit up and throw it at me, oh what a fucking shocker! 

Honestly, how many times do I need to say it is both tragic and terrible before you fucking get it? It is... tragic and terrible! Should I say it a few more times so it will penetrate your thick skull?

But statistically is is INEVITABLE: it is absolutely going to happen sooner or later. So deal with reality ok? It is an accident, pure chance and not "institutionalized racism" or murderous cops running rampant in the streets... ok?
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5cats Well, you staggering fuckwit, you not only said it was normal, but you said it was normal in the very post where you were denying that you said it was normal.

'Normal' doesn't mean it isn't tragic or terrible. So you can say it as many times as you like to get it into my thick skull, but it's irrelevant to what I said.

So, just for the hard of understanding, I'll point it out where you said it was normal.

"It is extremely rare (but it does happen!)"
"And it also happens to Whites and other races,"
[and, hilariously, in the post where you ask me to show you where you said it's normal]
"But statistically is is INEVITABLE: it is absolutely going to happen sooner or later."

To recap, the definition of 'normal' is
(adjective) conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
(noun) the usual, typical, or expected state or condition.

I've made the relevant bit bold in case you're struggling to keep up. So when you said it was inevitable, that means you can expect it to happen. Hence my post.

Word to the wise: next time you're tempted to fly off the handle about someone's post, look up the more difficult two syllable words before you start typing.
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DrCribbens So you've proven I did NOT say it was 'normal' then?
How about an apology now?

Of the 110 million times police make contact with citizens each year? (idk for sure, just a number that popped up recently) the NORMAL result is for the unarmed and compliant citizen to be SHOT DEAD? That is expected by you? That is NORMAL in your mind? This is the anticipated, most likely result according to you?
Fuck off already, you liar. 
It is clearly NOT NORMAL for innocent and compliant person to be shot by police, never has been, you are wrong. But in 110,000,000 chances it is going to happen by accident, by bad cops, by tragic circumstances. 
And it does happen, we cannot prevent that. Maybe 50 million to 1 odds... probably a lot higher.

Not normal, but theoretically possible. As in: not impossible.

Oh look, right in the post itself: "But that is not normal..." I await your apology. :-)
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5cats Do you know how synonyms work? You know that you don't actually need to use the word 'normal' in order to say that it's normal, right? Again, normal means it's expected. You actually used a stronger word than that, 'inevitable'. And I stand by what I said. I think it's awful that police shootings are seen as inevitable in the US.

Do you know how many people have been shot and killed by the police in the last 20 years in the UK? 49, and we know the name of each one of them because when it happens it's national headline news. In the US it's difficult to say what the numbers are because nobody even bothers to count them, but it's probably around 1000 per year. [source]

So is it normal? In America, yes it obviously is. It happens 20 times a week. In civilised countries, not so much.
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DrCribbens You said that I said it was 'normal' and I did not. You never said I said a 'synonym of normal' did you? No. So you are wrong, just admit it and move along.

Each comment where you whine and moan and try to change the subject just makes your failure worse. It makes you look stupid. 

Innocent, unarmed people get killed by police 20 times a fucking week now? No. FYI that includes ALL the guilty armed suspects killed too. You have degenerated into emotional hysteria, just apologise and then drop it.
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Female 407
You said that I said it was 'normal' and I did not. You never said I said a 'synonym of normal' did you?

I can't stop laughing at that. That's genuinely funny. That's some next level pedantry right there.

So you're annoyed that I thought you said it was normal, but you're happy to concede that you said it was something that means the same as normal?

I'm tempted at this point to retract my statement and apologise because you're quite right, you didn't say it was 'normal', you only said it was something that means the same as 'normal'. As though that would make any fucking difference at all to anyone over 9 years of age.

However, I'm not going to because at this stage I'm really beginning to doubt whether you're bright enough to notice the sarcasm.

Oh, and by the way, please point out where I said that 'innocent, unarmed people' get killed 20 times a week. Again, before ranting, you need to not only read but--and I can't stress this enough--actually understand what you're ranting about.

And I hardly think that bemoaning the fact that 20 people every week get killed by cops in one country is emotional hysteria. 



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Seriously. I'm still laughing.
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daegog I've gone around with you on other things and I stand by my opinion that you're a fuck stick. You are so ingrained with your false sense of truth and justice, as you see it, that the facts will never make a dent in your ignorance. Go do your homework and look up the racial makeup of said grand jury and then try to defend what you said.
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Male 3,496
scheckydamon If Jurys are always right then OJ didn't kill that woman?

That is your claim?

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Male 40,772
daegog Another jury said he did fuck-wit. Eat it.
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Male 3,496
5cats That was a civil suit, Go back to fucking your chickens, grown folks talking here
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Male 40,772
daegog Guilty is guilty, I am right and you have nothing. Yes grown-ups are talking, but you are interrupting us.
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Get fucked, shitbag.
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Male 3,496
Can some show that God, Jesus, Allah, Shiva, or some Divine entity wrote this article?

IF NOT, then the entire article is bullshit, Why?

You read data and make these claims.. Blacks are arrested more than whites (per capita), Blacks are convicted more than white (per capita).  Those would be honest statements.

You can never say Blacks commit more crimes than Whites without some divine ability of omniscience.  A crime unsolved or unreported is still a crime.  

Example:  5cats fucks his neighbors pet chicken.  Now if the owner of the chicken doesn't report 5cats for fucking his fowl, that doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.  It just means that 5cats chicken fuckery is not on the record.

Make sense?

If you send 1000 cops to neighborhood A and 100 cops to neighborhood B, you can practically guarantee that neighborhood A will have more "crime".
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Male 40,772
daegog And that is what causes the murder rates in those neighborhoods? Too many cops? Fuck off already, you are a joke.
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daegog when your own government is covertly waging war on you, under the guise of "the war on drugs" ofcourse  there will be a higher police presence in your communities.
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layla_wilson And that causes drug dealers and gangs to proliferate there? The presence of too many police causes that? And the murders too?
You are out of your rotting mind...
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Male 5,027
Fancylad, I wish you hadn't posted this racist bullshit. 5cats was making a real effort to be pleasant. 24 hours is not enough time for it to stick.
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Male 40,772
markust123 Show me the racism of shut fucking up with your lies and false accusations.
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Male 5,027
5cats, "Show me the racism of shut fucking up with your lies and false accusations."

The whole post is racist. You are using numbers, without factoring anything into those numbers, to racially say "Blacks are disproportionately more likely to be committing crimes." 

But I know you won't take my word for it. You've already told IAB's coolest black guy to fuck off in this post for trying to explain the same exact thing to you.
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markust123 What Black guy? Other than Osirisascends I had no idea what anyone's race is here. Other than the white-breads like you of course.

But Black crimes ARE disproportionate! No amount of shrieking and hand-wringing can change that! These are the facts, unless you think the FBI is lying to everyone? Unless you have "alternate facts" everyone else in the world is unaware of? You are the liar here and should apologize for your false accusations.


Fact: Blacks kill other blacks at a rate 5x of whites killing whites.
Fact: Blacks are roughly 2x as likely to kill a White person as Whites are to kill a Black (per capita)

The REASONS WHY are unknown to me: they are no doubt VERY complicated! Not as simple as White Cops roaming the streets murdering random Black youths for fun, which is what BLM (and you it seems) claim is happening.
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5cats, "What Black guy? Other than Osirisascends I had no idea what anyone's race is here."

I'm not telling. It's more fun watching you make an ass of yourself. 
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Male 40,772
markust123 Yeah, you like men's asses don't you...

I honestly don;t care what colour a person's skin is. Buy YOU DO! Fucking racist that you are. So fuck you right in the... skin colour.
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5cats If you are going to try and project your racism onto someone else you may want to start out by not attacking that person's sexuality. It just makes you look like even more of a bigot. 

Also, listening and learning about the people around you so you can better interact with them is the opposite of racism you dolt. It's called being a good person. You should try it some time.
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Male 40,772
markust123 I am a good person, I listen to you telling lies and making shit up don't I? 

That doesn't mean I just accept your lies and shit, that isn't what "listening and learning" is about at all.

I'm telling you that I don't care what skin colour IAB members have in this conversation it is meaningless. You're the bigot here, obviously.
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5cats. I know the term derp vortex was created for Monk but I feel I am being dragged into one here. You've shown yourself to be the bigot repeatedly in this post and in many others. I have nothing else to say.
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Male 3,496
Another racist article by the fuckstick 5cats..

Can you glance at that article and see why its racist?  Should only take 10 sec..

Answer in about an hour.
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Male 40,772
daegog Nope, cannot see a single bit of racism. Please point it out with specific examples, thanks!
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Male 3,496
5cats Get your dick out of the chicken for 5 minutes and look again.
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Male 40,772
daegog Looked again, still nothing.
Could it be you were just (gasp!) making shit up? Obeying your SJW masters and crying "outrage!!" over nothing exactly as I (and the article) predicted your kind would?

Show me the racism or STFU. You claim it is easy to see, well then it should be equally easy to show it.
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I don't understand why this has to be constantly be politicized. If a police officer shoots and kills someone that is unarmed and not posing an imminent threat they should be imprisoned, mistake or not.

Can we really not all get behind that?
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holygod Of course. No one disagrees.
However? Define 'pose no threat'? Define unarmed? Make it so a cop cannot make an honest mistake in a split second without being imprisoned for life? Suddenly (like in Sweden) no one except the 'bad cop type' will want to be a cop anymore. Then what do you do? Hire gang members?

There's a city in California doing exactly that: paying gang members to 'not commit crimes'. Millions of dollars at work... but I digress.

The facts speak for themselves: blacks are the ones killing blacks. White cops killing blacks barely shows up in the stats. Blacks killing cops, however, is a major issue.
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5cats 
"Of course. No one disagrees."
Really? I feel like lots disagree. How do you have a problem with BLM's basic premise if you don't disagree?

"Define 'pose no threat'?" 
A black man, or any man, reaching in his pocket or walking towards you does not pose a threat that warrants deadly force. 

"a cop cannot make an honest mistake in a split second without being imprisoned for life?"
Correct. You make a split second mistake that ends up taking another's life you go to prison. I don't know about "life" as involuntary manslaughter does not result in life, but 10-15? Yes.

"blacks are the ones killing blacks."
They are prosecuted and punished for it though right?

"Blacks killing cops, however, is a major issue"
Would you agree that more cops kill unarmed black men than blacks kill unarmed cops?


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holygod 16 were "unarmed" out of 268. That does NOT mean they were murdered in cold blood, it just means they didn't have a knife or gun. Some still were fighting or otherwise threatening.
And yes, some were not actual threats and an innocent person died, it is tragic. How does killing police (which BLM openly supports) help prevent such tragedies from happening?

ARE YOU SAYING that unarmed innocent white people (or 'other') NEVER get killed by police? Because that is the logical conclusion of your (BLM) position: all deaths are from racism. That is pure bullshit and you know it.

One guy was killed when he reached for his wallet, yes, a terrible tragedy. That was what? 7 years ago? And how many police died since then? Proportion, context, reality: deal with them.
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5cats 

"How does killing police (which BLM openly supports)"
Where do you see that? I have never seen that on their website or seen any official member say that. Where do you get that information?

"ARE YOU SAYING that unarmed innocent white people (or 'other') NEVER get killed by police?"
Of course not. I'm sure it happens. However, I don't think police officers on a whole are as likely to stop, pull over, or draw on a white man as they are on a black man. Would you agree?

"That was what? 7 years ago?"
That was Philandro Castile just last year.

Here is the main point. I have never experienced racism, certainly not institutionalized racism. Neither have you. Can you not let those that have express their pain and have their advocacy without pissing and moaning about them and comparing them to the nazis and the KKK?
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holygod  "Define 'pose no threat'?" 
A black man, or any man, reaching in his pocket or walking towards you does not pose a threat that warrants deadly force. 
OK answer me this. Have you ever been in that situation? I have. As an LEO I've shot 5 people. 3 of them died right there. 2 were wounded and taken to the hospital. ALL 5 of those fuckers had deadly weapons on them and were going for them. If it's him or me, it's gonna be him every time. I carry a heavy burden from those five incidences, and I am in contact with 2 of the families of 2 of them that I killed. We pray together and support each other on a weekly basis. So all you armchair commenters can bite my crank because until you are in a life or death situation and it's them or you, you have no fucking clue about it. I'm so sick and tired of you preaching about something you don't have a fucking clue about. You'll go through you shitty little life and NEVER have a life or death situation happen to you. LEO's put it on the line each and every day. How many cops have been killed in simple traffic stops? Google that one and the bring it on.
And another thing:
 "Blacks killing cops, however, is a major issue"
Would you agree that more cops kill unarmed black men than blacks kill unarmed cops? 
Cops, as a general rule are never unarmed or for that matter off duty. If a crime is being committed, LEO's are obligated to protect the public no matter their work status. LEO's are the good guys. Yea there are scumbag cops out there but 99% of them are honest heroes.
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scheckydamon You killed people reaching for deadly weapons? Great. You should. We aren't talking about that.

I have ZERO problem with an officer shooting someone if they have a gun or knife. This is about UNARMED people getting killed by cops.

If one of the people you killed had been unarmed you should be in fucking prison.

Remember Amadou Diallo? 4 plain clothes officers stopped him because he "looked like a rape suspect". He reached and got his wallet and they shot hm 41 times.

I have a "shitty little life" because I didn't become a cop?
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holygod When it happens., In Brown's case? THAT DID NOT HAPPEN AT ALL.
Ok?
BLM is based on lies and is a violent organization bordering on terrorism.

Unarmed cops... don't be that kind of asshole ok? That's just fucking retarded.
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5cats 
"When it happens"
What do you mean?

"In Brown's case? THAT DID NOT HAPPEN AT ALL. Ok?"
You don't know what happened and neither do I. Just like with trayvon all we have is the word of the armed person who killed the unarmed person. 

"BLM is based on lies"
No. Prejudice exists. Prejudice among cops exits. That prejudice sometimes leads to black men being murdered by police. 

"a violent organization bordering on terrorism"
No. Again, no. The violence has been perpetrated by those who loosely associate with the group or take up the mantra. It has never been their official position or the directive of the group. Go on the site. Find me anything that advocates violence.

Here's the problem. You might not be racist but you are drawn into the right wing blogosphere where racism is rampant. So by using that same lens to view the world your positions end up heavily influenced by racism. You visit the same sites and listen to the same pundits as the white nationalists and nazis. You think that MIGHT be a problem?

"That kind of asshole"?
You're the one comparing an armed person killing an unarmed person to an armed person killing another armed person.
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Male 40,772
holygod Going all "we don't know anything" on me? Then why are you arguing and disagreeing if you don't know anything? We do know most of what happened because of facts and evidence that is irrefutable.


YES, white cops are the biggest problem facing Blacks in America today! Lets all go out and 'virtue signal' to fight this imaginary issue!

That kind of asshole. What 'unarmed cops' do you know of? How does that change the cold hard facts? None and it doesn't. It is an appeal to emotion and a change of subject.
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Male 9,769
5cats We aren't talking about gang members and drug dealers killing each other. That is great. I have no problem with that.

We are talking about black men or young men with no criminal record and no weapon being killed by those we entrust to protect us and then getting off for it. 
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Male 40,772
holygod So you are screaming about 2-3 incidents a year, and ignoring 5000+ incidents as "unimportant" eh?

iirc it's 11,000,000 police contacts are made every year. Show me any group or organization that can do something 11 million times without a single error, mistake or deliberate foul-up. 
You expect police to be PERFECT then achieve perfection yourself and you can make that happen, right?

Also: you ignore the fact that this also happens to whites. If the only cause (which is your claim) is racism? How on Earth do whites (and Latinos, and others) also get killed by mistake or accident? That is unpossible!
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Male 9,769
5cats You're right. You've opened my eyes. Racism doesn't exist.
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Male 40,772
holygod If you're going to be an idiot, don't complain when you get treated like one.

No one ever said that, you are making SHIT UP and throwing it at others, but all you do is end up with your own shit all over yourself. You stink, stop doing that, grow up for once.
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Male 9,769
5cats arguing with you is like arguing with a petulant child. You think you're right no matter what and it doesn't matter. Believe whatever you want. Enjoy your white privilege while pretending it doesn't exist.
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Male 40,772
holygod Taling to you is like talking to a 7 year-old who is throwing a temper tantrum.
You refuse to listen.
You refuse to answer reasonable questions.
If things aren't going your way? YOU THROW SHIT.

You aren't white now?> Fuck you, why did I bother treating you like a human being? My mistake, won't happen again.
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Male 9,769
5cats I'm white. I enjoy my white privilege, but I'm not such an asshole that I can't admit I have it. Nor do I marginalize the feelings of those that feel oppressed or discriminated against.
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Male 5,027
5cats, "You aren't white now?"

Colder. Colder.
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Male 1,018
holygod Everybody agrees on that. It's just that some of us don't fully agree on what a person is...
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Male 1,018
How likely was a police officer to be killed by an unarmed black man?
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