Woman Pulls Out Her Registered Gun In Walmart During Back-to-School Fight Over Last Notebook

Submitted by: daegog 3 months ago in News & Politics

Video from a bystander shows a woman pull out a gun during a fight inside a Walmart store in Novi on Monday afternoon.

An argument broke out between two pairs of women over the last notebook on the shelf at the Novi Towne Center store, according to police.

The fight involved two Farmington Hills residents, ages 46 and 32, and a mother and daughter from South Lyon, ages 51 and 20.

Clearly a life or death situation worthy of gunplay.


There are 117 comments:
Male 1,976
So, as nearly as can be told from this video, a woman pulled a gun, because some stupid bitch was assaulting her daughter. She pulled her gun to defend her daughter. How, exactly, is this a problem? Should she have waited until her daughter was actually injured, possibly seriously, before she acted?
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Male 1,891
Fancylad:

Allow me to suggest an edit to the title:

"White woman defends her daughter as P-O-C's gang up on her and attack for the last notebook on the shelf"

Subtitle: Walmart security (yellow vest) stands idly by with other shoppers who refuse to assist the victims.

The woman who pulled the gun and her daughter were attacked over a notebook.  The woman pulled the gun to end the attack on her daughter.

But this is I-A-B and any white person doing anything to defend themselves or another person being attacked by a P-O-C is automatically wrong.




http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2017/08/30/gun-pulled-walmart-school-supplies/615650001/

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Male 5,413
insaneai "White woman"? "P-O-C's"? Really? And you feel it's important to call out the races involved here because--why?
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Male 1,891
squrlz4ever When it's white on black, it's news.  When it's black on white it hushed up and ignored.  I don't agree with that so I'm going against the grain and pointing out the racists who think it's ok to attack white people just because they're white.
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Male 603
I don't like that this happens. The punishment should be really severe, she probably just scared the living shit out of everyone.... cuz it's a gun. Would like if all shops posted a sign. Don't think people should be carrying around handguns. Not a world I want to live in, one that has so little respect for the lives of others. She just threatened to mame and kill those around her, if she goes home anytime in the next 6 months, I can't see that justice has been at all served.
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Male 8,785
thething911  Would like if all shops posted a sign. 

And you seriously believe a SIGN is a deterrent?  

Maybe there should have been Gun Free signs at:
  • Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport
  • Columbine
  • Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, Colorado
  • Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church
  • U.S. Navy Reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Oh, wait.....
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Male 603
megrendel No. It'd help if you could read silly bill. There's nothing stopping anyone coming by with a big fucking rifle and taking the place apart. I know that. I just want those who carry concealed to feel utterly unwelcome, everywhere.
I really can't even tell anymore. Are you stupid? Or are you just trolling?
Like you even know.
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Male 8,785
thething911  I just want those who carry concealed to feel utterly unwelcome, everywhere.

Why?  You probably pass dozens of people a day who carry concealed. 

And here's the thing about those people around you that carry concealed.  You admitted that "There's nothing stopping anyone coming by with a big fucking rifle and taking the place apart."  When/If that happens when you're around, those who carry concealed have at least one more option at survival than you.  You can only curl up, piss your pants and play the good victim.  THEY, on the other hand, have the option of not being a victim.
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Female 4,654
megrendel I guess if you take guns away from "everyone" the illegal ones magically disappear too!  science!
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Male 4,379
thething911 Posted a sign?
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Male 603
trimble aren't you guys supposed to be for 'responsible' gun ownership? Fuck this bitch. What you should be saying too. She's helping make the gun lobby look like the inbred gaggle of maladjusts they really are.
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Male 765
Good to see that the systems in place for all you gun wavers is working well..

I wonder if she got her fucking notebook.


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Male 3,342
I've the feeling she won't be a valid holder of a CC license much longer.
Nor should she be.
I am a gun owner, I am an everyday, licensed concealed carrier, and my opinion is that woman did the exact wrong things in that situation.
Over a fucking notebook.
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Female 4,654
captkangaroo she didnt do it over a notebook, she pulled it because 2 grown women were beating her child.
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Male 3,342
melcervini 
She participated in the silliness.
As for the rest - What geobas1 said.
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Male 118
melcervini I can't speak for him, but I think he's coming from the same place I am.  I'm a gun owner, and the way I was taught and think and feel about it is you don't pull a gun unless you intend to pull the trigger.  Imo a gun isn't ever a de-escalation device, it ends the situation but at the highest possible cost.  You pull, you fire, you end the situation when you have no other choice. If pulling the trigger gives you pause you shouldn't be pulling the weapon out in the first place.  So what do you do in the in between situations like this?  You gtfo even if the assholes who started it get their way.  The notebook isn't worth getting beat up over and it isn't worth ending someone's life over so you gtfo then press assault charges. Imo the daughters life isn't in danger so you don't shoot and that means you don't draw. 

I also understand this gets a bit difficult for the gun owner because the daughter is involved and she isn't acting like a gun owner.  In my experience as a gun owner you typically act differently and don't allow things like this to escalate in the first place backing you in a corner where you have to make a difficult decision.  Far from what the anti gun crowd think often a gun on your hip is a voice of reason saying gtfo don't get in a situation where you have no good choice. 
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Male 3,342
geobas1 
Yup. You articulated my thinking perfectly.
Sad, isn't it, that it has to be explained at all?
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Male 4,169
And this is the part that tickles me most:

Because she got lucky and didn't fuck up and pull that trigger, all the ammosexuals gleefully run to defend her right to pull out a gun endangering literally everyone in line of sight.

Had she sneezed or in anyway fucked up and pulled that trigger, the SAME ammosexuals would castigate her as a fool who should have never been allowed to own a gun in the first place, probably some kind of mental case.
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Male 4,379
daegog I don't think luck had anything to do with it. She chose to use her weapon, the courts will decide if she was justified.
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Male 4,382
daegog okay let's assume you're a 140lb middle-aged woman. You don't do calisthenics or lifting your max bench press is 25 lb.
How do you stop the fight?
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Male 603
dm2754 Run, you dumb fuck. If you're too fat to run, then you're too fat to deserve to survive anyways. Guns are for fat cowards who can't fight? Gotcha. Plenty of 140lb women in this world that could spin my ass like a top, what's her excuse? 
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Male 4,382
thething911 so you would stop the fight by running away from it. So do you believe people cease to exist when you can no longer see them? Nice 4 month old logic.

I also like your believe that cop and soldiers are all fat stupid cowards for using guns.
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Male 603
dm2754 yes. It worked for human beings for millions of years. Why change now? Fuck yes I run. And guess what? They ain't gonna catch me. I really do believe that cops, not soldiers, are fat stupid cowards for using a gun so readily. Even soldiers are appalled when they see they utter disregard that these cops employ. Hundred of shots fired and haven't hit anything? Crossfire takes out a friendly cop? Dozens of people get massacred while your team of cops 'strategizes' outside. They're bad at their jobs. That's my fucking problem. Lazy, entitled, and aggressive. Three shity things that alot of cops are.
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Male 4,379
thething911 You run dumb fuck.
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Male 4,169
dm2754 Then i would tell my daughter to let go of the notebook.

If i were a 300 lb nfl linebacker i would also tell my daughter to let go of the notebook.  There is no walmart notebook worth getting hit in the face OR shot.

If you are coming out of IHOP late night and some guys come up to you and say gimme your money, SHOOT THEM ALL, reload, and keep shooting.

If you are in a dispute in walmart over a notebook, let it go.

Is that really that hard to understand?
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Male 4,382
daegog so you're assuming it's possible to speak rationally to a woman in the middle of a frenzy. Good luck with that
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Male 118
daegog No in all likelihood she overreacted and that's not a minor mistake when a gun is involved, it is a crime.   There is a slim chance she was justified but I highly doubt it. If a life was really in danger then justified, if not she'll rightfully lose the right to carry.   

Gun ownership is a right, but if you exercise that right you have a responsibility to do so safely, those that don't live up to their responsibilities of ownership lose the right. But that's the point, you are innocent until proven guilty, and that's when your rights get taken away. 
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Male 603
geobas1 When a gun is involved, it is an imminent and serious threat. I don't mind her having it. But in a fucking Walmart or whatever? No. You leave your shit in the car if you're not a fucking lunatic. Only lunatics carry a gun in for their back to school shopping. She shouldn't have ever been let in the store with it.
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Male 118
thething911 she broke the law when she pulled the gun.  If she had acted appropriately no one would have ever known she had the gun.  If you live in the United States and don't live in Cali, Chicago, Washington, ny, or nj then you walk past people everyday that are armed.  You never know because they act appropriately. 
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Male 603
geobas1 was that what the video was showing? A woman acting appropriately? People are all of their right mind, until they aren't, expecting that you'll always be levelheaded, it's a stupid thing to do. You can stop a fight, you can't unpull a trigger, and that all it takes. That's frightening as fuck, and I'm not ok with it. I live in whitetopia. No one is carrying concealed around here, because they'd be rightly looked at as fucking nuts. Only the permanently terrified see threats everywhere. Only the cowardly bring a gun. If a beating is what I need to take to save someone from being shot, then needs be. If I can't stand up for myself, then that's one thing, but I'm not about to excuse people being chickenshits and toting around pistols b/c they think they're hard.
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Male 1,832
Might, maybe, sometimes, the fact remains that two very large women had a third on her knees and it appeared that they where not going to stop until they got there way. It may have played out with out any intervention or it could have ended, with some one willing to get in to a fight over a notebook, hitting some one with a weapon, stabbing them with a pencil or any one of a hundred weapons available at that time. Drawing the gun ended the conflict. What else might have happen is only speculation after the gun is drawn.  This is why we have courts, laws and District attorney's they will clear it up with charges or not. How would you react if your child adult or not was attracted in a Walmart?
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Male 4,382
casaledana it looks like most people just overlooked the fact there were a dozen spectators. And no one was attempting to intervene to put a stop to things. And yet they are surprised at the escalation. 
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Male 4,169
casaledana The DA is kinda fucked.  If he does nothing, he encourages gun carriers to pull out that gun at the slightest hint of danger.

If he tries to prosecute, the NRA and a legion of lawyers will come after him.

Kind of a no-win situation.
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Male 1,832
daegog  If he prosecutes those with a license will be more selective about pulling
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Male 4,169
casaledana Thats if he wins, and the nra could send so many lawyers at him, that its just not worth a fight.
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Male 344
Book 'her, Danno.
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Male 1,539
come on, it was the LAST NOTEBOOK.  Justified use of force.
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Male 593
I ran past a guy carrying a pistol in a local park the other day.  I have spent a lot of time in these parks, at all hours of the day (and night), and the closest I have come to feeling threatened was that guy giving me the side eye as a passed him.

If there was a snowflake in need of a security blanket and a safe space... well it wasn't the barefoot guy in favor of stricter gun control laws.
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Male 446
muert Did he point his gun at you? Did he say something threatening? Did he pull the gun? I see armed people all the time in the forests of New Hampshire, and sometimes in the Florida wilderness. I've never felt threatened just because a gun was present. 
 
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Male 603
DerryNH A gun is a threat. Maybe you don't feel threatened, but the thought that anyone could up and kill me within fractions of a second, funny, not comfortable with that.
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Male 1,277
thething911 It's only a threat if it is pulled out and pointed at you.  If that's not the case, it's just a tool.  Get over the thought that just having a gun is a threat, because it's not.  I carry all the time, so do most members of my family.  We are not a threat to anyone.  Actually, I'm one of the few people that still pulls over to help people stranded on the side of the road.  I'm generally a nice guy and not threatening in any way.  You wouldn't know I had a gun on me unless I had a reason to pull it on you.
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Male 1,089
Wouldn't have happened if everyone had a gun.

MAGA 2020
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Male 603
marsii yeah, it would. Alot of smart people have thought that way. But, check the numbers, it's a bullshit point. More guns, more violence, doesn't take a PHd.
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Male 5,413
marsii *pew pew pew pew pew* "OK Corral Shoot-out at Walmart Kills 7 as School Supplies Run Low."
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Male 1,832
marsii Wouldn't have happened if no one had a gun
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Male 10,335
oobaka Ummmm. He was being sarcastic. He's more liberal than I am.
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Male 1,089
holygod MAGA!
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Male 1,446
When will people finally learn?  This type of behaviour proves there should be stricter laws in place to prevent things like this from happening, maybe even banning.  Wal-Marts are dangerous and should be removed from everywhere!!! :P
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Male 1,277
korahn Yeah, because fighting like that is also against the rules and it did a great job of stopping that.
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Male 164
korahn you know if you rearrange the word Walmart you get Mart(ial) Law

I shit you not I overheard a valet say this just this morning.
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Male 424
thunderbear even more rearranging comes up with lam wart, malt war, and awl mart.  I like the last one the best.  I've been looking for a good awl; there just aren't enough choices as most hardware stores.
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Male 5,413
skeeter01 LOL!

Awl Mart... for all your puncturing, piercing, and reaming needs.

Note: Be sure to enter the store name carefully in your GPS. Many customers have been getting confused ever since the completion of the new Owl Mart.

"AWLS?! We haven't seen any of those. You might try asking the manager."
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Male 5,413
thunderbear Ah-ha! You've figured it out. You see, the Walmarts were built by the government so they can be converted into FEMA concentration camps to hold all the dissidents who have some kind of immunity to the chemtrails.
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Male 164
squrlz4ever and they'll have no choice but to subsist on m&ms and microwave pizzas until they're all morbidly obese and can only get around on the governments militarized mobility scooters while being simultaneously turned into Manchuria candidates in the home theater department.  When the time is ripe they'll all be unleashed on building around the country and ram each and every snow-like foundation of said buildings at a merciless 5mph to raise americas xenophobia level to an unprecedented high so that war with every other country is inevitable.  Within 10 years world domination will be ours!
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Male 5,413
thunderbear You are a man of much discernment, I see.  :)
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Male 4,382
that ended that fight nicely 
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Female 4,654
If two grown women physically attack my 20 year old daughter, I think I would be hard-pressed to not draw.... tough call but it ended the violence, didn't it.  I need more info on this, who threw the first punch etc.
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Male 21,104
melcervini Hopefully you raise your daughter to not flip out over the last spiral-bound notebook at Walmart, and avoid situations like this.
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Female 4,654
fancylad I open-carry.  I NEVER have situations like this. (and no, my kids know better than to show their asses at home or out.)
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Male 1,832
melcervini So if two grown women are wrestling / punching your fully grown, adult daughter, you don't see an issue with drawing a deadly weapon?
Most likely your daughter might get slightly injured. And you're ok with killing someone over it? 
One of the reasons I'll NEVER set foot in America again. Too many of you are out of your fucking minds. 
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Male 446
oobaka "Most likely" isn't good enough. Anyone assaulting any of my daughters, in my presence, is going to get hurt. So the ones who initiate the violence are the ones you're concerned about? Please keep both of your feet out of America.
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Female 4,654
oobaka To protect my daughter from bodily harm?  you bet your ass.  The situation was handled without a shot being fired.  The violence was ended by the presence of a gun.  Again... I need more info.
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Male 4,382
melcervini it looks like her finger is not on the trigger
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Female 4,654
dm2754 i did note her good trigger control.
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Male 10,335
Pussies with guns are how unarmed people keep getting killed. If you can't handle a fist fight don't get involved in a fistfight.
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Male 446
holygod That's absurd. Are you assuming that people who are assaulted by strangers have a choice to suddenly make themselves uninvolved? Would you square off against someone assaulting you  and expect them to follow boxing rules? I've been assaulted before on the way to the subway after working late in Boston and I ended it as quickly as I could and got the hell out of there. You can't know what's in the guy's pocket or if he's got friends nearby backing him up. I didn't shoot anyone, but I slammed one guy's face into a brick building and tore another guy's scalp with the claw of my hammer, after I had been on the ground. A handful of sand in the eyes works wonders. If I had had a gun I would have used it. Yes, I fought dirty. I could have handled either one in a normal fistfight, but taking that approach can get you killed. Scumbags starting shit with strangers have no intentions of a mere fistfight. They intend to fuck you up. 
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Male 1,277
DerryNH That's not called fighting dirty, there is no such thing.  It's just called fighting.  Unless you are in some sort of match that has an official in the ring, there is no such thing as a clean fight.
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Male 10,335
DerryNH I'm not talking about being randomly attacked at night in a subway when you are fearing for your life. I'm talking about fighting in walmart over a binder. They didn't just jump her for no reason. It was mutually escalated and then she bit off more than she could chew and her mom had to pull a gun.
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Male 118
DerryNH there is no such thing as a fair fight for your life. You did what you had to.  That movie bs is just that.  When you're put in a life or death situation, not by your choice but by the choices of others there is no such thing as fair.  Nut shots, dirt in the eye, eye gouges, all are fair game,  get free and gtfo,  that's also the point when use of a gun is justified. I don't carry, don't even own a hand gun, but I've thought about it just because you don't get a second chance if something happens where you would have needed it.  If I do ever decide to carry I'll spend my life hoping I never have to use it, I don't have any desire to shoot anyone ever.  

In this case I don't see much possibility that it was at that point,  lady overreacted,  lady will lose the right to carry.  Luckily for all involved although she was stupid she wasn't stupid enough to pull the trigger. 

You don't end someone's life because they pissed you off, and you don't pick a fight and end it with a gun, but if someone picks you out as a target and is going to end yours then well it was him or me. 
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Male 1,277
geobas1 well, I said it too, but that's what I was gonna say.  

Also, I do carry and I also hope that I never have to pull it out.  I did once in my home have to draw my armed weapon.  Dog was going crazy downstairs, so I grabbed gun and stood at top of stairs, gun pointed down the stairs.  I heard someone moving around, towards the stairs and I froze.  As he came in to my view I simply said, "I suggest you leave." as I was aiming at him.  He did, so I followed, got his license plate number and called the police.  When the police arrived, I allowed them in, told them I was armed and asked them for permission to take my weapon out and unload it now that they were there and I was safe.  They had no problem with that, so I removed the clip and the one in the chamber, put it back in the clip and put it all back away in it's locked case.  It was after that I started carrying with me everywhere.  Even witnessing fights similar to this one, I have never again pulled it and pointed it at a living thing.  

TBH, I've thought about getting rid of the gun too.  In that moment, I was not sure that I could have pulled the trigger if that guy started coming up the stairs at me.  In the end, I decided that I likely could have and would have, since my and my families life was in danger.  I remember the moment clearly to this day and the thought I had was, "please don't start coming up the stairs and make me shoot you."  Since that's the thought I remember clearly, I am almost positive I would have, but I have always had that doubt.  I know that if I am not able to, i may as well not have the thing.

I do practice with it, at least monthly, but that's not the same thing as aiming it at a person.  In this case, I can't say exactly what I would have done, but if 2 people were beating the crap out of my daughter, it probably would not be pulling my weapon.  It would likely be a steel toe boot to someones face.  I am a man who has been in my fair share of fights though.  Can't say that about this woman.
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Male 1,832
melcervini The violence...a bit of hair pulling...was ended by a fucking idiot that was deemed sane enough to carry a weapon of death. 
No shot was fired but judging on how well she handled herself in that life and death hair pulling situation, she could have easily ended someone's life over a FUCKING NOTEBOOK !!!!
If you can honestly say you think this woman did nothing wrong, don't even bother to respond. You're too much of a fucking idiot for me to continue arguing with. You're a lost cause.
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Male 1,277
oobaka But it wasn't ending someone's life over a notebook.  It would have been ending someones life who was assaulting someone over a notebook.  Assault is a good reason to pull your gun.  The reason for the assault is mostly irrelevant.

Also, there's hundreds of other weapons of death right there in Wal-Mart, like hammers.  I can strangle someone with my bare hands, does that mean my hands should be cut off?  If I stab you in the right spot, you can bleed out in seconds, and that can be done with a pen!  Should I not be allowed to carry pens?

Pretty much, ANYTHING can be a weapon of death.  
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Male 1,832
waldo863 As I said in another reply, hammers are a tool that can be used to kill someone. Your hands can be used for many things but also be used to kill someone. A pen is used to write but can be used to kill. But a gun has no other purpose. It's meant to insert a bullet into someone or something with violence. A gun isn't intended to be used to write with. It's not intended to be used to hammer nails. Its one intention is  death. 
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Male 1,277
 It's meant to insert a bullet into someone or something with violence. 
And a hammer is meant to insert a nail into something with violence.  Your point?

What about skeet shooting, target practice, trick shot competitions?  The purpose of none of those is death  and the gun is just the tool used for the job.  Same as a hammer's job is putting nails into things, a guns job is putting bullets into things.  Those things can be targets instead of people just like nails targets can be people instead of things.
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Male 8,785
oobaka  weapon of death 

Other things that qualify as a 'Weapon of Death':
  • Knives/cutting instruments.
  • Automobiles
  • Blunt Objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
  • Hands, fists, feet, etc.
  • Poison
  • Explosives
  • Fire
  • Narcotics
  • Drowning
  • Strangulation
  • Asphyxiation

Little did Nog know when he rubbed two sticks together and discovered fire he was letting loose on the earth a weapon of untold destruction. (He was just tired of raw Mammoth).
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Male 1,832
megrendel Drowning, strangulation and asphyxiation are a means of dying...not a weapon.
All the others... knives, cars, etc...have other purposes are are not meant to have strictly the purpose of death. Guns do.
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Male 8,785
oobaka So, you admit that 'Guns do' have other purposes are are not meant to have strictly the purposes of death.

Or, would you care to clarify that entire statement. 

And yes, Guns have other uses that do not involve death. 
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Male 1,832
megrendel Name a couple for me
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Male 8,785
oobaka Easy peasy.

  • I have used guns for a deterrent. (FYI, even with the LOWEST estimates, Defensive Guns Use outnumbers people shot with guns by a factor of 2 to 1.)
  • I have used guns to destroy clay pigeons.
  • I have used guns to shoot holes in paper targets.
  • I have used guns for plinking.

  • Guns are used for avalanche control.
  • Guns are used to scare birds away from airfields to protect aircraft. 
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Male 118
oobaka Knives were also designed primarily to kill.  We developed sharp pointy things in general to hunt or to do bodily harm to an animal or enemy,  designed purpose doesn't dictate use.  We've found other uses for knives.  Also only some of the time is it illegal to use them to cause death.  Hunting is legal, poaching is not.  Self defense is legal, murder is not.   There are other legal uses for them as well.  Yes the design purpose of a gun is to cause bodily harm and or death, but we as a society have dictated that use is allowed under a limited and very narrow scope. Target competition, target shooting, hunting, self defense, are all valid uses of a firearm.
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Female 4,654
oobaka I've said from the start that I need more info.  Who started the violence over a notebook, not who ended it.
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Male 4,169
melcervini Lets say your daughter started it, and was totally getting her ass beat by the other woman.

Would you pull out your gun and murder the woman whipping your daughters ass?

What if the other woman started?  Would you feel ok about murdering her then?
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Female 4,654
daegog what if a typhoon came through.. what if a whale crashed through the ceiling... moot points as is referencing murder as no shots were fired and no one was killed.  Im still holding out for more information, not whatifs.
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Male 8,785
melcervini  hat if a typhoon came through.. what if a whale crashed through the ceiling 

...followed by a bowl of petunias thinking 'Oh no, not again'. 
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Female 4,654
megrendel you got it! yay! :D
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Female 4,654
daegog funny.. everyone shrieking about gunfire and murder when not a shot was taken but assaulting someone half your age is tolerable as long as no one defends themselves. lol
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Male 4,169
melcervini if the only way you can ever defend yourself is with a gun, what are you gonna do when you get assaulted by a puppy? 

Murder that fucker too eh?
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Male 402
melcervini Indeed!
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Male 3,776
Even though the purchase was not complete, is this still considered a robbery?
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Male 7,840
She needs to spend a little bit of time behind bars or at the very least be hit with with a hefty fine. 

That, and make her ineligible to carry or possibly even own a gun. 

Pointing a loaded gun at somebody with or without intent to pull the trigger is a threat on their life and should be dealt with accordingly. 
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Male 402
cobrakiller If you ever lay hands on my daughter, your last will and testament better be up to date 
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Male 7,840
dkm458 There were no innocent people involved here.  If your daughter is a grown woman fighting with other grown women over a notebook at walmart then she probably deserves to have hands lain on her just as much as the others do.

Nothing shown in the video is an excuse for a gun to be drawn.  I stand by my statements.
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Male 1,832
cobrakiller You can't take away her guns. She has a god given right to bear arms. Second amendment...blah blah blah 

'MURICA !!!!!!

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Male 7,840
oobaka "They took ur gun!" "They took her gun!" "Ta tuk ur dur!"
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Male 1,089
cobrakiller Pointless, she'll just get the gun illegally if she wants it bad enough. Don't you know nothin, gun regs DON'T WORK 

MAGA 2020
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Male 7,840
marsii KTUSO 2020
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Male 164
So...did she get the notebook?
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Male 21,104
thunderbear I think the reporter in the video says she did. (That or I read it in a different report.)
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Male 194
Looks like they are going to have upgrade Walmart vests to tactical weapons grade.  South Park did a great gun commentary with their PC Principal Final Justice episode.

https://youtu.be/3YRq7mP3hsU
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Male 5,413
She needs to have her CCP revoked and made ineligible for ever holding one again. Sadly, I'll bet that doesn't happen.
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Male 1,891
squrlz4ever Can you explain why?  I'm still not seeing any evidence of who started this fight.  Squirlz, you seem to have jumped off the deep end lately.  What changed in you?
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insaneai Why? Because I think pulling out a loaded handgun in the Walmart to stop what I'd describe as a scuffle--not a life-threatening brawl--shows a profound lack of judgment. No one was throwing punches here, no one had any kind of weapon (until, that is, the woman pulled out a handgun), no one was injured or required any kind of first aid. If you watch the full video, at the end of the argument, the daughter gets up and brushes her hair back in place.

You say I seem to have gone off the deep-end? Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? You're the one who's argued that every American should have unrestricted access to military weapons and has suggested that Americans should start assassinating elected representatives, not me.

Don't even try to paint me with the kind of lunacy you've exhibited on here.
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Male 1,891
squrlz4ever You've gone from reasonable and logical to hardcore left lately.  You want to permanently revoke a right from someone who justifiably defended their daughter from an attack by multiple assailants.  The scale of the attack and response is irrelevant at this point because you don't know the defender's medical status.  What if she has a bad heart, or other disease that would prevent her from going hand to hand?  

You don't have many details and this posting doesn't really do the situation justice.  I had to research other sites to find out what actually happened.

Yes. All citizens should have military grade weapons available to them. That was the point of the 2A.
Yes.  Assassinating politicians is perfectly acceptable behavior when all peaceful means to correct our government have been exhausted.  What do you think our Founder Fathers did? Again, this is part of the point of the 2A.

And yes squirz, if someone attacked my daughter, I would shoot them if I felt the need.  No, I would not feel any remorse for it either.  Protecting my kid is not subject to someone else's opinion on the matter.

If you want to be a sheep braying with the crowd, feel free.  I choose to accept responsibility for my own safety and success in life.  I hope you enjoy your chosen status of victim rather than survivor.

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Male 5,413
insaneai Good luck to you.
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Male 118
squrlz4ever your first paragraph even though I'd likely be described by some here as an "ammosexual" is exactly why I believe her to be wrong and criminally so (chargeable offense).  In this instance AS A GUN OWNER I would gtfo and press charges for assault. The other people didn't act  appropriately and I believe criminally so, but as they say 2 wrongs don't make a right.  A gun isn't a universal solution to all problems it is an absolute solution to a very specific problem. It isn't street justice for an assault it is to end a life threatening situation. None of the awful behavior I've seen here indicates to me that prior to the gun coming out anyone realistically should have feared for their lives. 
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geobas1 Thanks, Geo. I'm with you on this. Like you, I don't think the "fear of life or serious injury" bar was met here--not even close.
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Male 21,104
Abuse of the Second Amendment. This is why gun owners get a bad name. I'm not sure what the penalty for this is, it can't be strict enough.

Just like Richard Wilson Preston -- the responsible gun owner who yelled, "Hey, nigger" as he fired his weapon into a crowd at the Charlottesville rally -- both are piss-poor examples of gun owners. He was arrested.

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Male 118
fancylad exactly millions own guns lawfully and don't acct like idiots with them, but some idiots do own guns and when they prove themselves as such they lose their rights. 

I was one gun owner that said Zimmerman should have gone to jail.  They were dead wrong about letting him go.  It was straightforward manslaughter.  The moment it became manslaughter was when trevon ran and Zimmerman ran after him,  at that point the confrontation became inevitable, and was directly caused by Zimmerman's actions so he doesn't get to end it with a gun.  Trevon tried to end the situation and Zimmerman didn't let him. So if Zimmerman would have gotten an ass whoopin it would have only been because he earned it. 
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geobas1 I know, and it gives all gun owners a bad name. And Zimmerman -- jeez -- he should have his gun ownership privileges revoked. If I remember correctly, he got in trouble for waving a gun at a motorist after he killed Martin. You really have to be stable and mature to own guns if you're a daily carrier. 
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Male 118
fancylad like I said in another comment in this post, some don't realize when you exercise your right to own a gun you then have responsibilities that come along with it.  Much like having children, lives are literally in your hands and you have to be able to acknowledge, accept and live up to the responsibilities involved.   

But like it or not it is a right, and everyone is innocent until proven guilty, so you will never be able to weed out these assholes and limit their ownership before they do something like this.  At least not without taking them away from all, that's the real reason gun owners get their panties in a bunch.  To really stop this before it happened would mean we replay Australia's path and that requires 2/3rd to start off and 3/4 to finish the approval. 
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Male 942
So I'm all for letting people legally carry guns, but when one is pulled for something like this there should be serious consequences.  Ridiculous.
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Male 10,335
We need to enforce the laws we have n the books people, not create new ones.

*listens to ear piece*

I'm sorry folks, my producer is telling me everything she did was legal. Perhaps we need new laws.
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Male 942
holygod Are you serious, that this is legal?  
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Male 10,335
cjeffblanchr I didn't mean pulling it at someone at walmart, I meant everything up to that point. People always say "enforce the laws we have" but typically these wackos buy and own their guns legally.
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Male 118
holygod this is the same argument the right uses to vilify Muslims.  Most terrorists are Muslims, ignoring the real truth that most Muslims are not terrorists.  

Yes most negligent assholes with guns are gun owners. But not all gun owners are negligent assholes. 

Yes what she did was legal right up until it wasn't, but the point is she didn't stop at the line. 

You don't hear on the news "today a gun owner with a permit to carry walked away and let an asshole have his way because there is more important shit in life"  that isn't news, people behaving badly is. 
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Male 21,104
cjeffblanchr He's not serious.
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Male 942
fancylad I would certainly hope not.  These days, who the hell knows?
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