Even The MSM And Democrats Have To Admit It Now

Submitted by: 5cats 1 month ago in News & Politics

With tongue firmly in cheek, this blogger looks at the sudden realization and open admission that the 'antifas movement' (a name right out of 1984) is indeed the source of most, if not all the violence in these 'counter protests' lately. Even Nancy Pelosi came right out and condemned them, good for her.

But most simply cannot get their minds around it, that the horse they backed was indeed the wrong one. Also that Trump told the truth: both sides were responsible in Charlottesville, not 100% one side, it was both.

In a funny yet accurate post, with lots of pictures, The Prince Of Whitebread points out what has been going on and why this came about.

And such gems as Politico's amazing conclusion that:

"...the violence is ultimately the fault of Trump supporters."

“…reports appear to bolster Trump’s insistence that extremists on the left bore some blame for the clashes in Charlottesville and represent a “problem” nationally. But they also reflect the extent that his own political movement has spurred the violent backlash.”

Yup. By daring to seek different solutions to the problems they see confronting the nation, Trump supporters forced Antifa to mob them."

1984 was supposed to be a dire warning, not a how-to book.

There are 62 comments:
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hey guys look, the kkk traded in the white ghost hoods for black bandana masks and matching black attire.
Congrats.
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Male 406
Just like every "concerned citizen" is part of the National Socialist Underground  (german terror cell).
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Male 15,271
Of course they are violent. I never denied that. It's called extremism and it's bad. The Nazis are violent too. I hope offenders on both sides get punished. New organizations are needed to counter evil that do so in clever, moderate and legal ways.
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Male 40,772
Draculya I don't recall you defending Trump when he was attacked for say exactly that.

 :-/
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Male 4,242
My favorite antifa story is how they recently attacked and beat a man for the color of his skin and his hairstyle. They called the man and neo-Nazi and beat the shit out of him when in fact he was a member of antifa.

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Male 2,637
Once again, I deplore the violence being used by these anarchists.

I also deplore the nazi's violence and their intolerant beliefs.

Having said all that, remember that any opposition to that intolerance is in response to it.

Try to separate in your minds, the anarchists from those standing against intolerance.

And no, people don't have to tolerate the nazis intolerance - Don't be ridiculous. It's just that violence isn't the solution.
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Male 40,772
jaysingrimm Fuck free speech! Screw the law! Punching Nazis is perfectly acceptable, since they asked for it by being Nazis.
If someone you disagree with tries to legally speak? Just call them a Nazi and they have no more human rights: simple! You're just responding to "their violence" by sucker-punching them. Violence is justified!

For the record? Rightly or wrong, the 'Nazis' (they were NOT ALL Nazis ffs...) in Charlottesville were the ones marching against intolerance. As symbolized (in their view) by the destruction of a US Historical monument for political purposes. The counter protestors were marching FOR this intolerance.
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5cats 
No, I've been consistent in speaking out against violence, unlike the organizer of the march you mentioned, Jason Kessler:

"On August 18, 2017, Kessler contradicted his previous statement by tweeting "Heather Heyer was a fat, disgusting Communist. Communists have killed 94 million. Looks like it was payback time." The next morning Kessler repudiated the tweet and blamed Ambien, Xanax, and alcohol for the tweet." 

"In January 2017, while attempting to gain signatures for his petition Kessler was arrested for misdemeanor assault. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 50 hours of community service." (wiki)
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Male 40,772
jaysingrimm You only have condemnation for one side, you only speak out about (or against) one side. Isn't that... typical.

And you ignore my point(s) entirely. Too typical, back to ignoring your bullshit.
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Male 2,637
5cats "You only have condemnation for one side.."

The very first thing I wrote here: "Once again, I deplore the violence being used by these anarchists."

5cats: "And you ignore my point(s) entirely"

Not true, I addressed your suggestion that I was condoning violence.

I'll address another:

"..they were NOT ALL Nazis ffs.."

I didn't claim they all were.

"As symbolized (in their view) by the destruction of a US Historical monument for political purposes"

I hope it isn't destroyed, but I do believe a museum is a more appropriate venue. Seems a number of people are bothered by these monuments.

"back to ignoring..."

In the past week, I've made 22 comments - You've replied to 12 of them.
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Male 40,772
jaysingrimm So you agree with Trump.
But in those IAB posts which condemned Trump, you were silent.
Threads, not individual comments, that is how I see things. And are you TELLING ME when I am "allowed" to reply? FUCK YOU ok?

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5cats 
"So you agree with Trump"

I think he should have done more to denounce racism, and while its true there was violence on both sides, the situations shouldn't be treated equal.

What equivalency is there for a life lost? I don't know there is any such thing.

"you were silent."

Not sure what threads you are referring to, but no, I don't always have time to stop by and comment.

"And are you TELLING ME when I am "allowed" to reply?"

Not at all. You want to talk, great! If however, you're going to repeatedly tell me you're going to ignore me, I may point out how silly that is.
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Male 40,772
jaysingrimm Well, silent as far as I saw, of course I rarely look at your comments, lolz! Maybe you defended Trump when he spoke the plain truth? But I somehow (highly) doubt that...

I have and continue to ignore you. I have explained several times that I may read your comments out of curiosity, by accident, or because others have referred to them. I still am ignoring you in general, even if I occasionally reply.

But this is just how you operate: trolling for attention. It seems to make you happy or something...
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5cats 
Once again, it was your choice to engage me in discussion.

Until next time,
Have a pleasant day.
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Male 40,772
jaysingrimm Oh I don't blame or begrudge it when I do reply to you, you are of course welcome to reply in return. No worries!

And I appreciate your politeness, sorry I was extra-crabby the other day.
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Male 40,772
Nice job by FancyLad to put this together :-)

That boy in picture 5 just wants to look like his hero, Charles Manson :-D And what's with his "Ace of Spades" on his arm? What an idiot...

Just want to repeat this (I was too late to add it) about the DHS:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/homeland-security-makes-it-official-antifa-domestic-terrorists
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Male 7,943
I love it, the right desperately wants to pin Antifa as "leftists" and ignore the Nazi's that are in their midsts.  Hilarious.  Antifa is a small organization of anarchists  Hell  I wouldn't even call it an organization, there's no official website for them, there's no official meetings that I can locate, they are a small group of extremists that want violence.  They have been violent to Liberals and to Conservatives.  They just want violence and anarchy.
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normalfreak2 I can't speak for everyone on the right, but here's how I look at all of this...  Anyone who is having demonstrations and promoting hatred is a moron that doesn't deserve attention, unless of course they are violating someone's rights or engaging in acts of violence.  They have the right to do it, and everyone else should just completely ignore them.  Give them attention and we give them credence.  

Antifa though, it does appear are engaging in violence, and that is unacceptable.  Not that there's not guilt on both sides, but these anarchists rally need to be locked up.
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Male 7,943
cjeffblanchr There is no argument  from me on that.
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Male 1,347
normalfreak2 They are lawless thugs hiding behind masks. No twist of your foolish logic can change that. You and daegog are fools of a feather and we, as in basically rational people here on IAB see you for what you are and will continue to call you out. 
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Male 7,943
scheckydamon You and daegog are fools of a feather and we, as in basically rational people here on IAB see you for what you are and will continue to call you out. 
Emphasis added

HAHAHHAHAHHA, that's possibly the funniest thing you've ever written here.


How am I twisting logic?  Antifa is a group of anarchists, they are lawless, they aren't in the same league as Liberals or leftists.  They are their own team which has in common one thing with "Liberals" anti Trumpism, that's it.  They'll turn on Liberals the moment Trump is gone and demand liberals aren't going far enough
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Male 40,772
normalfreak2 Theya re organized enough to be called domestic terrorists by the DHS...

And they are communists, most of them. And they've said they won't attack Democrat-run rallies...

Your hypocrisy is self-evident, your comment contradicts itself.
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Male 45
normalfreak2 they sound like a rebranding of the black blocs, and seem to be about as relevant.
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Male 5,027
elgabalo Black block isn't a group, it's the tactic the Anarchists use of wearing similar clothes so they don't get caught.
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Male 7,943
elgabalo I think they probably are related to black bloc, in either case Liberals have been denouncing them for decades.  
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Male 5,027
normalfreak2, "...in either case Liberals have been denouncing them for decades. 

Nuh uh, 5cats said so.
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Male 1,347
markust123 Denounce yes. Stop them, no.
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Male 7,943
scheckydamon We let the laws handle them, It's not Liberals place to enforce law, that's what the police are  for.  They are allowed free speech just like the Nazi's are.  
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Male 5,027
5cats, "Even The MSM And Democrats Have To Admit It Now The 'antifas' movement is violent, plain and simple."

The "MSM", the Democrats and the liberals have been saying this since the WTO riots in Seattle. It's people like you who were falsely associating these violent asshole Anarchists with the peaceful protestors.
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Male 3,496
If given the option of hoping non nazis win or nazis win, gonna be hard for me to ever cheer for nazis.

Are some anti-fa's of a violent bent?  Quite probably

Ever heard of a peace loving nazi?  I haven't

Nazis wanna beat up Jews, Antifas wanna beat up Nazis.. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
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Male 65
daegog Here's  something that's pretty clear cut to me - There are no Nazis. I don't know how weak minded you have to be to believe there's a resurgence of a defunct political movement based on zero evidence. I guess just having a lie repeated enough times by enough people is good enough for you, eh?
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Male 45
notoriousbac please lurk the comments section on any website (not just alt-right sites); most are trolls, but there are plenty of coherently nazi nazis
[unless you're splitting herrs and don't consider white-supremacists nazis]
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Male 3,496
elgabalo The guys marching down the street carrying torches yelling "Jews will not replace us and Blood and Soil", wearing Nazi symbols and MAGA hats..

You saying those guys aren't nazis?
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Male 45
daegog I was saying they are, with a generous portion of trolls who think yelling death to Jews is just a joke, and that it would be a hoot to do their shtick in real life. 
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Male 3,496
elgabalo Being a troll and a nazi are not mutally exclusive. 

I have no doubts that many of those "nazis" would not actually be willing to die for their cause, but that's not exactly a prerequisite now is it?

Wear the gear, march around screaming anti-semetic stuff and hey, its more than fair to label you a nazi.

Judging by their own words that they were almost unanimously republican. It is clearly accurate to say that that republicans are the favored party of the nazis.

And given how many republicans were hell bent on defending these nazis, their position is pretty clear in my opinion.
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Male 45
daegog not excusing it. If you call yourself a nazi but don't mean it, you should be treated as a nazi.
It was fun to see the numbers of nazi marchers dwindle when they saw most of their base were spineless or lost trolls.
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Male 6,077
notoriousbac "Here's  something that's pretty clear cut to me - There are no Nazis."
I do really hope you're trolling, here, because that is a really ignorant statement. Try googling "American Nazi Party".
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Male 3,496
notoriousbac Zero evidence?  are you serious?  Have you watched the news at all?
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Male 40,772
And now the DHS has officially named the 'antifas' movement as domestic terrorists.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/homeland-security-makes-it-official-antifa-domestic-terrorists

Just like OWS, BLM, SJW and now antifas? The liberal-left has supported the side of violence and terror. When will this deplorable trend stop?
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Male 5,027
5cats, "Just like OWS, BLM, SJW and now antifas? The liberal-left has supported the side of violence and terror."

You're associating a bunch of hippies (OWS) with violence and terror???? You're associating Black's who are sick of being shot by the police (BLM) with violence and terror???? Oh I see what you are doing in this comment - trying to further your false claim that the left supports the Antifa. Your dishonesty knows no limits.
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Male 40,772
markust123 OWS you didn't know about the rape epidemic in their camps, didn't see the rioting? Just 'overlooked' the organized and illegal violence? Vandalism, looting, assaults...

BLM: riot after riot and they're 'not violent' eh? PfftZ!

And now YOUR side supported the antifas: if not? Who did then? The Republicans? Give me a break. Your side let them come to all their marches and did absolutely nothing to stop them from violent actions. From the Democrat mayors of Berkley and Charlottesville to the organizers and most especially the MSM: your side supported them.

YOU have no issues with Republicans and conservatives ALL being branded as Nazis and Nazi supporters (and racists, sexists, homophobes, the list is endless) but you cry like a baby when the truth is told about what YOUR side openly supports.
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Male 5,027
5cats, "And now YOUR side supported the antifas: if not? Who did then?"

God, you are so dishonest in your arguments. No one supported them. These asshole anarchists just showed up. I'm starting to think you repeat these ridiculous claims just to get people to attack you.
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Male 40,772
markust123 They just showed up... that's you feeble excuse? Except that everyone KNEW they would show up, and everyone knew what their plans were. That includes the 'peaceful' organizers who DID NOTHING AT ALL to prevent them from joining.

Their plans for Charlottesville were openly known the day after the legal protest was announced. It is never a secret: anyone who wanted to know could and did find out. THAT is why the legal rally in Charlottesville were "prepared for violence" which another IAB libtard says wasn't warranted: it obviously was.

When the antifas showed up and gathered? See all those pictures of them in a big group? THAT is when the liberal organizers should have put a stop to them. That is when the police should have rounded them up.
But the Democrat mayor(s) ordered the cops to NOT stop one side's violence.
And the counter-protest organizers stood by and let them carry out all the violence they liked.

Facts, fuck-face, learn them.
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Male 7,943
markust123 He has received his marching orders from PJmedia, Breitbart, redstate, drudge, they have to desperately pin Antifa to the "left" to create a equivalency of their Nazi's supporting Trump.
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Male 40,772
normalfreak2 Telling the truth requires no 'orders' but you know nothing about that.

Also: quiet coward, your words are meaningless.
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Male 20,917
I don't think your average person who voted democrat in this year's presidential election ever backed what is now being called Antifa. Broad strokes. It's like how some people are blaming all republicans for neo-nazis. Neo-nazis and the antifa people are two peas in a pod -- ship both sides off somewhere and let them spray mace at each other.
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Male 7,834
fancylad Yeah, its a violent organization that veers toward anarchy vs a violent organization that veers toward fascism.

They are the exact same hateful people who just disagree on who to hate.
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Male 40,772
fancylad Well, the MSM and Democrats had NO problems labeling EVERYONE who disagreed with them as 'Nazis' and other names. Broad strokes indeed, the precedent is well established by them. Remember: only one side was responsible for all the violence, we were told this constantly and Trump was lambasted for saying one word otherwise, even though it was the absolute truth.

It took them all this time to even say they were bad: they've been openly supporting them for all this time. If they want to have any credibility at all, the liberal-left has to remove the entire antifas movement from ALL future rallies and protests. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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5cats "[Democrats have] been openly supporting [Antifa] for all this time."
Give us some names: which democratic representatives have been openly supporting Antifa? In this post you showed the opposite:
"Even Nancy Pelosi came right out and condemned them, good for her"

"If they want to have any credibility at all, the liberal-left has to remove the entire antifas movement from ALL future rallies and protests. I don't see that happening anytime soon."

You're saying if liberal-left want credibility, they have to abandon freedom of speech, yes? 
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Male 1,347
boredhuman Let's start with CNN and go down from there.
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Male 40,772
scheckydamon Yes indeed, this person seems to have entirely forgotten the past few weeks... selective amnesia runs in the Democrat bloodlines, eh?
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Male 341
scheckydamon Yes, let's do that. CNN article "What is Antifa?":
"Levin said Antifa activists feel the need to partake in violence..." - CNN
So, CNN doesn't support Antifa... Where do we go next? 
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Male 6,077
5cats I always find it so interesting to see how you complain about liberals equating all conservatives with the worst, most radical, of the group while always giving the exact same treatment to liberals.
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Male 40,772
broizfam Just playing by their rules.

Even when I used to take great pains to couch the language in the most possible PC terms? They still threw shit at me. So why bother being super-polite, it just draws more shit-throwing than speaking the plain truth: the MSM has entirely backed antifas until very recently. Period, it's a fact.
The MSM is the propaganda arm of the DNC, so they don't do anything without Democrat orders. Simple.
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Male 7,943
Well, the MSM and Democrats had NO problems labeling EVERYONE who disagreed with them as 'Nazis' and other names.

Only in your mind
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Male 40,772
normalfreak2 Lolz! Is that the DNC line now? No one ever labeled all the people who supported legal free speech as Nazi supporters? What a joke.

Added: In TWO comments you make above? You blame every Republican for 'ignoring the Nazis in their midst'. Both a liar and hypocrite, as well as a coward. Nice!
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5cats Where do i blame every Republican?  Only in your twisted mind do you interpret that.

I said: He has received his marching orders from PJmedia, Breitbart, redstate, drudge, they have to desperately pin Antifa to the "left" to create a equivalency of their Nazi's supporting Trump.

Do Nazi's support Trump?  I dunno let's ask the Nazi's if you look at the video I posted, Daily Stormer Hell yea they support Trump.  Where am I wrong here?

The only thing Antifa/black bloc have in common with Liberals is Anti Trump.  That's it.  There is no Black bloc wing of the Democrats or Republicans.  They are an outside group causing chaos.  Exactly what they want to do.  You can't say the same thing about the GOP.  They have a KKK friendly base and Nationalistic tendencies.  These aren't fake or  hard to find.  
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Male 40,772
normalfreak2 Blah blah blah, just ignore what I say and blather on and on about nonsense. Just like every other time. Childish really, infantile even.
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Male 7,943
5cats In TWO comments you make above? You blame every Republican for 'ignoring the Nazis in their midst'. Both a liar and hypocrite, as well as a coward. Nice!

Where do i blame every Republican?  Only in your twisted mind do you interpret that.

Blah blah blah, just ignore what I say and blather on and on about nonsense. Just like every other time. Childish really, infantile even.
I answered your question and backed it up with facts, you changed the subject when shown you are clearly wrong and are deflecting to something completely unrelated.  TYPICAL.
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Male 40,772
normalfreak2 Um, no. Bye loser.

Added: "He has received his marching orders from..." and you back this 'fact' up how? ESP? Hacked my History? Nothing? So in fact it is not a fact at all. So you are lying about that: both what you claim and the idea that it is a backed-up fact. And you expect people to take you seriously...
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Male 7,943
5cats You repeat talking points on Conservative sides.  That's how I know.  You are a living breathing talking point devoid of your own thoughts, you merely parrot whatever the right wing tells you.  Whether you read it on Drudge, Breitbart, or hear it from Hannity or Rush or PJMedia or PragerU.  You simply regurgitate whatever you get from these sources.
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