Remember The Google Manifesto Employee? FIRED!

Submitted by: 5cats 2 months ago in News & Politics Tech

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the "manifesto."

Over the weekend, Motherboard broke the news of an "internally viral" anti-diversity memo circulating over at Google -- IAB covered it here. Written by James Damore, the 10-page document is titled "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber" and spells out, in grossly inaccurate details and "facts," the ways that "discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business."

As predicted, they wasted no time in hunting him down and firing his ass. The 'Diversity Co-ordinator' who wrote the rebuttal is no doubt behind it all.

Asking about tolerance and diversity will not be tolerated by Google! In the name of diversity all disagreeing opinions will be purged. We will prove we have no 'mono-culture' by silencing anyone who says we do!

Now they're after anyone who agreed with him.

Many Google Managers openly admit they keep 'blacklists' of people they refuse to work with, they are proud of this.

Here's more on the subject: 



And here is the actual document with supporting citations which Gizmodo somehow omitted:

Legal action is underway, the guy is no dummy, he took steps to protect himself before writing his memo. Smart!
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Male 20,903
I thought they were going to demote this guy and squeeze him out to avoid a lawsuit. Google must have some strict guidelines that allow them to fire employees with ease. I expect this guy to sue Google for unlawful termination, no matter what the grounds were, justified or not.
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Male 40,739
fancylad He took legal steps before he wrote the memo, he will most likely win unless it drags out for years (which easily could happen).

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Male 3,419
fancylad I heard on NPR that from a legal standpoint, if they didn't fire him they may have had bigger issues.  This was the lesser of the two.
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Male 117
What James Damore failed to realize is that employment is a contract between you and your employer where they agree to give you work and pay you to do that work so long as it is MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. As soon as it is no longer beneficial for one of the parties involved said employment ends. Regardless of correct, incorrect, villain, vilified, good work or poor work, he made it so that it's no longer beneficial for Google to employ him. They have no obligation to support his personal statement regardless of truth or lack thereof. 
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Male 7,917
This is a nothingburger.  This guy went public as an employee of Google, he knew what he was doing.  See ya!
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Male 4,235
I thought Google's mission statement was "don't be evil"
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Male 40,739
dm2754 Now it's "Don't question us"
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Male 83
gender diversity is never acknowledge and equality is forced.  Title IX is the poster child of that.  

the amusing thing is discrimination is worse in female dominated fields.  Ask any male nurse.
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Male 4,235
slicerdicer gender diversity is a nonsense concept. Why does everybody keep talking about it like it matters. Look at what happened when Justin Trudeau tried enforcing the idea
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Male 2,694
You're entitled to your own opinion as long as it's the same as ours.  It's our differences that make us stronger.  Wait, what?
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Male 4,235
dromed are you talking about liberals or conservatives? Oh wait it doesn't really matter does it?
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Male 8,530
dromed He's still entitled to his opinion.  But Google is entitled to not be associated with said opinion.

Face it, had this guy not been a Google employee, his 'manifesto' would have gotten zero coverage.  As this opinion became associated with Google, Google exercised their right to un-associate themselves from it.

If you are a representative of a company, you are supposed to represent their ideology, or keep it to yourself.

I DO like the Orwell & Good STEM tweet, though. 
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Male 40,739
megrendel This is even better:


Note how they all have red hair at the end? Perfect!
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Male 2,694
megrendel That they are.  Hey google, do what you want.  But I'm reminded of the 'ol adage..."It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."  I always wonder about really big companies and whether they're run by twats or decent people.  Google has removed all doubt from my mind.  They are also in the process of demonetizing YouTube channels that don't promote "good google facts" even though they don't violate any terms of service or use.  Just another chapter in the "freedom of speech is good only if we agree with you" google handbook.
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Male 40,739
Um, FancyLad? The actual link didn't show up... is it somewhere in the submissions box still? I'll try to find it again and add it in this comment.

Here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo

That's the main source of this post :D
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Male 3,435
Washington is a right-to-work state, which means that non-union workers can be fired for any and every reason under the sun.

Got a red shirt?  Fired.

Fart too loud a work?  Fired.

Write a controversial paper?  Fired, with the possibility of hard to get work in the future.
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Male 83
daegog actually the benefit of a right to work state is quitting when you want and not having it affect your unemployment benefits.  look up the laws. you can't quit without two weeks notice in a non-right to work state.


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Male 1,798
slicerdicer Correct, but daegog's point about an employer being able to fire you, at any time, without even having to give you a reason, is also correct. You don't even have a legal leg to stand on for "wrongful termination" if they don't give a reason for the termination. If they give a provably false reason for termination, like, say, claiming that you refuse to conform to company dress codes, when their own security videos show you at work day after day with the proper clothing on, you can certainly sue them, and win. However, as I said, if they don't give a reason for firing you, and an employer in a right-to-work state has absolutely no obligation to do so, your hands are tied.
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Male 83
whosaidwhat legally but you can do a civil lawsuit in a right to work state. often it costs the employer far more then summarily firing and employee.  
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Male 1,798
slicerdicer Clearly, you don't understand the way "right to work" works. Right to work states, very clearly, that an employee has the right to end their employment at any time, with no reason given, and that an employer has the right to end an employee's employment at any time, with no reason given. As I said, if an employer gives a dis-provable reason for termination, then, yes, the employee can sue, and win, for wrongful termination. If there is no reason given for the termination, then the employee has no legal grounds for suing, as the employer is perfectly within their rights. In a NON right to work state, it doesn't work this way, but it certainly does in a right to work state. I happen to live in a right to work state. If you try to take an employer to court for wrongful termination when no reason was given for termination, your case will quickly be thrown out of court, if you can even find a lawyer stupid enough to take your case in the first place.
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Male 8,530
When making any public statements, the minute you become associated with your employer, your employer is free to distance themselves from what you said, and you. 
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Male 40,739
megrendel Except he has a right to object if HE feels he's being discriminated against, correct?
And if the boss fires you for objecting? Is that fair or even legal? Isn't Google violating it's own company rules here?

There's several laws that protect him, and the courts will take years to work through :p I suspect Google will buy him off along the way and he'll make out with millions, as will his lawyers.
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Male 9,745
megrendel Exactly!
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Male 3,419
megrendel Bingo
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Male 40,739
And to no one's surprise? CNN is telling blatant lies about the document and its contents:
http://freebeacon.com/culture/cnn-misrepresents-arguments-fired-author-google-memo/

Here's a rant about how men and women are just plain different: but never speak of this or you will be fired!
https://twitter.com/M_Methuselah/status/894393673387061249

Here: Scroll down a bit for the Google Gif:
https://twitter.com/Chet_Cannon
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Male 39,898
I know I'll get blasted for this but I still say people pay lip service to diversity, but don't practice it, not really. Any city you go to will be divided up. Koreans in this neighborhood. Ethiopians or Eritreans in that one. Gay district over there. Vietnamese in their own section. Usually a black part of town and a plethora of hispanics.  But if there's a white neighborhood that's racist.
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Male 771
Gerry1of1 This is really disingenuous and kind of a baffling sort of victim hood narrative, sure there were racist attempts at this like straight up laws barring people of color, or more covert racism were loans would not be approved to PoC, but there are still mostly white cities, towns, and communities that's not racist at all. There was never any exposed practices that bar white people from moving into a PoC neighborhood based on skin color. You conveniently left out Russian, Irish, Polish, Italian(Considered white?), and french Canadian neighbor hoods in your comment because it doesn't support your white people celebrating their heritage is racist narrative.
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Male 9,745
Gerry1of1 People gravitate towards those that are similar to them. That is obvious. It's just you have to make sure that this natural inclination of the group in power doesn't disenfranchise everyone else.
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Male 39,898
holygod So they seek out their own kind... not diversity.
That's what I said
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Male 1,798
Gerry1of1 I find it really disturbing how you spoke the simple truth, and people started to attack you for it. Its also disturbing how different people are saying the exact same thing about this subject, yet claiming that each other are wrong about it!
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Male 39,898
whosaidwhat  It's the same old "Embrace differences unless we don't like yours" mentality that we see way too often. Everyone has a right to an opinion unless you have a wrong opinion then you don't have free speech anymore.
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Male 1,798
Gerry1of1 How very true!
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Male 3,435
Gerry1of1 Troll
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Male 39,898
daegog Perhaps.... but even a troll can be right
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Male 3,419
Gerry1of1 I disagree, there is a huge difference between diversity and cultural community.  And there are plenty of "white" neighborhoods that are not considered racist.  Italian, Polish and German come to mind in my city.
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Male 39,898
kalron27 What century do you live in that has Polish or Italian neighborhoods ? lol
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Male 83
Gerry1of1 Many northeast cities in the US still have ethnic diversity even though the populations are predominately white.
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Male 3,419
slicerdicer "ethnic diversity"  Exactly.
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Male 3,419
Gerry1of1 We have a very large Italian community that holds an Italian Fest every year, as does the Greek community.  Hell, there is even an Austrian community with a world renowned butcher shop.
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Male 40,739
kalron27 We have Folklorama!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklorama
And we're really proud of it :D
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Male 39,898
kalron27 Glad you have places to go for good Italian food.  But you're still agreeing with me.... they seek out similar people not different ones. They are not seeking out diversity.
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Male 771
Gerry1of1 You just said it's racist to have white neighborhoods and when he pointed some out you said, "what century" when he again pointed out the fallacy, you shifted back to the argument about diversity, but it would be nice to acknowledge that one of your initial arguments was still false without conflating the two points.
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Male 39,898
mischeif954 About white neighborhoods... I was not hearkening back 100 years to when the Polish had segregated neighborhoods or "No Irish" signs on businesses.  I'm talking about white neighborhoods today. People assume it must be some sort of discrimination but no one thinks that about a Korean neighborhood. We think the Koreans are enjoying cultural unity..... but when whites do that it's called a Klan Rally.
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Male 771
Gerry1of1 "We have a very large Italian community that holds an Italian Fest every year, as does the Greek community.  Hell, there is even an Austrian community with a world renowned butcher shop." <- He's referring to today. You're conflating self segregation with systematic segregation there's absolutely communities of majority whites of different cultures and it's not racist.

You're speaking anecdotally and asserting it as fact, just because you don't personally see them or care to acknowledge them, does not mean they don't exist and no they are not racist. Jewish communities also still exist today as well, there's a Little Italy 15 min from me... Not understanding the purpose of pushing this narrative in respect to your other point on diversity, you're incorrect on this portion of your assertion, and it's only detracting from your other point.
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Male 39,898
mischeif954 My point has always been that different communities exist. That's what everyone has browbeat me for even though they point to some other segregated community to prove me wrong. LOL  But I'm tired of this, have the last word.
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Male 771
Gerry1of1 and it's a fair question just don't see how you come to the conclusion that whites can't live in a community. I will say i think you're taking industry diversity or where communities intersect and conflating it with communities in general. If a particular industry has customers of different communities and has proximity to several communities yet only hires, promotes, and has leadership representing only one community i think it's worth addressing 
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Male 3,419
Gerry1of1 No I am not.  You totally do not understand the concept of diversity.  Having many cultural communities in a city means the city has diversity.  You are confusing gentrification with diversity.  Gentrification is not a good thing.

Holding onto and forming a community around ones culture is not "not seeking diversity".  Nor do any of these communities shun "whites".  Quite the contrary, they show acceptance to all cultures and races.  In addition, they welcome those who show interest in their culture even it you are an "outsider".

For example, the Chinese and Jewish communities have a very symbiotic relationship.  Chinese communities are very aware of Kosher and have adapted it as a norm.
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Male 39,898
kalron27 I understand the concept of diversity. But people say one thing and then do another.  I don't think you are ignorant because we have different opinions, don't make the mistake with me.

Oh, and embracing {not agreeing} my point of view would have displayed the 'diversity' you claim to believe in. 
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Male 3,419
Gerry1of1 What?  I just showed the difference between gentrification and diversity.  A factual definition.  Opinions are not diversities...they are ass holes, everyone has one.
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Male 39,898
kalron27 You never heard of diverse opinions? I hear at every cultural sensitivity training I've had to go to. They're all the same... be different as long as you agree with us.
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Male 40,739
Gerry1of1 People naturally seek others who are similar to themselves. Friends, relatives (obviously!) and even employers or employees. It's natural!
Exclusively? That's a problem, yes! But so is mandatory quotas on who and what you are 'allowed' to hire.
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Male 3,419
5cats There are no "mandatory quotas" on hiring, there were deemed unconstitutional in 1978.  I'll add these here as well:

https://oied.ncsu.edu/equity/affirmative-action-in-employment/

From the article:

"Quotas are not legal, not tolerable, and are not affirmative action."

And here:

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/10/5-things-to-know-about-affirmative-action/

"In 1978, the landmark Regents of California v. Allan Bakke case made racial quotas unconstitutional" 
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Male 1,798
kalron27 And yet, it still happens....
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Male 40,739
kalron27 Riiiight! That's why they tell everyone to have X number of (fill in the blank) or there will be big trouble! It's not a 'quota' it's 'diversity'!
Didn't affirmative action run for ages after 1978? Aren't there still 'hiring programs' open ONLY to specific genders and races? Just like... this manifesto said Google has!
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Male 3,419
5cats Um, did you not read the law or links I just presented to you?  Actually, by your concept...Affirmative Action protects against your suggested quota.  AA is not about genders or races, it is about the not seeing race as a factor when it comes to employment.  The only areas that still use quotas, and they have been declining severely over the past 20 years, are Universities.  Even they have discovered the detriment racial quotas are for all, including minorities.
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Male 40,739
kalron27 That is contrary to every single thing I've ever heard about Aff Act.
And Google has specific race and gender based 'programs' to hire people, that's what the manifesto is about, yes? They have not denied any of it.
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Male 39,898
5cats Exactly. People don't seek out diversity....they seek out their own kind. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Male 40,739
Gerry1of1 Yw! If I were from Greece? And spoke Greek but little English, and wanted to eat Greek foods? I'd probably move to Greektown and not Chinatown eh?
Same for someone from China, Philippines or any African country one can name. It used to be considered normal, but now only allowed for non-whites. :/
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Male 39,898
5cats I understand why the chinese seek chinese neighborhoods, don't have to tell me, it's natural. But they are NOT seeking out diversity are they. So we agree.
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