A Google Employee Wrote An Anti-Diversity 'Manifesto' And Now It's Going Viral

Submitted by: kalron27 2 months ago in News & Politics


A senior software engineer at Google has written a document titled "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber," which calls for the company to replace its diversity initiatives with ones that promote “ideological diversity,” according to a report from Gizmodo

The engineer argues, among other things, that women are underrepresented in tech not because they face bias and discrimination in the workplace, but because of inherent psychological differences between men and women. 

To borrow a quote from the article:

"It’s actually funny, cause a century ago, women consistently scored lower on IQ tests than men. Then we started formally educating women and they entered the paid workforce, and their IQs shot up. They are now consistently a touch higher than men's IQ scores. You’d think this would dissuade arguments like the one this guy is making, but apparently not."
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Male 40,772
Not one thing wrong in that entire message. Some may be opinion or generalizations, but that doesn't make them 'wrong' ok?

Danielle's answer sums it up: nothing will change, and those who disagree with tolerance will be destroyed utterly.

"I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender." Yet fails to provide a single example.

"Part of building an open, inclusive environment means..." that part is fine, if she meant it. But it's followed by a great big BUT:
"But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws."
In other words: no discussion allowed unless it already meets the preconceived conclusions of the Elite Rulers. Any variance from the rules will be swiftly and severely punished.

She's blind as a bat, she is the problem.
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Male 40,772
Study after study for the past 2-3 decades show fundamental differences in the brain structure of males and females. There are also physical and chemical (hormones) differences in the bodies.

This notion that "men and women are identical" is nonsense. Equal? Hells yes! But far from identical or interchangeable.
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Male 2,694
They should promote the SOB who wrote that.  Hell, he/she should probably running the whole show.  But controversial stuff like: men and women are different and conservatives have a point too...well that might just be too much for management to handle.  The Google thought police are already scouring YouTube for dangerous ideas and demonetizing channels which don't present appropriate "good facts".  
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Male 318
This is part of the problem with these times. This person is making a point and everyone screams for his head. No discussion no pretense of thought just immediate attack. Too many have retreated into camps and anything that doesn't match up is to be razed without mercy. When one side moves to the extreme it causes the other to do so as well. The center has not held and we as a nation are cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Only when we can discuss things we don't like and may never agree with can reason return.
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Male 469
taxidriver He needed to provide source material for his assertions for sure, but the letter was definitely not a manifesto; it was a thought piece on the current culture at his work. Reading between the lines, this sort topic is discussed openly on their campus. He stated his base observations and challenged the conclusions that his company has posited. 

It's perfectly appropriate to supply a mature rebuttal refuting his assumptions or his conclusions. Publicizing this document and crucifying him is a stupid response.
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Male 341
Is this quote Sexist?
"I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership."
The software engineer is obviously speaking out of his area of expertise. What do psychologists/sociologists say on this matter? 
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Male 341
This 10 page post is NOT anti-diversity. It's saying that Google diversity initiatives, which focus on gender/race, undermine ideological/political diversity...
"People generally have good intentions, but we all have biases which are invisible to us. Thankfully, open and honest discussion with those who disagree can highlight our blind spots and help us grow, which is why I wrote this document."
That's the approach I try to take at IAB posts: Trying to challenge my biases by engaging people I initially disagree with. 
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Male 4,242
Affirmative action has its time and place and that's education not in a free-market economy workplace.

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Male 3,410
dm2754 thats what she said
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Male 5,475
I couldn't care less, Google's been going down hill since it became a publicly traded company.  It's search has gone to the dustbin, heck even bing gives you better results these days, believe it or not.  Censorship, ads, Google+, underhand tactics.  I'm amazed people are still under the delusion that Google is like some great company, because it's out to make its users a product, and it has clearly crested and is in decline.  I'm quite satisfied not using as many google services as possible.  I use youtube, and have a backup email and junkmail box with  gmail.  Occasionally i'll use google drive to send files to someone.  But they could disappear and i'd still be fine. In the meantime i'll use all the services i can without providing them any information about myself.

From what i heard, a few years back when they got a new CEO, the company really went delusonal, forcing G+ on everyone, and it was around that time that i heard of a lot of employees saying Google that once was a great innovation place had become a hell because it was then run by lovers of money.  The gist was they had lost their former way.

From the looks of things, it looks like they still haven't figured it out and likely won't.
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Male 3,410
monkwarrior "i couldn't care less" goes on with a derpy multi paragraph statement... yes yes troll fallacy red hominem
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Male 5,475
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Male 3,410
monkwarrior explain. i couldnt care less. yadda dadadahdhadha
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Male 3,410
monkwarrior man you are wicked christ like, no wonder why you create conversations online so you can talk to yourself.


hey monk jesus smoked the ganja. disprove it. cause it will be a fallicy or a red herring or a ad hominem if you attempt to prove me wrong. then you will be a troll. and then the squirrel overlords will drink the communion wine and the lizard people will explain how they took down tower 7 and how the jews are behind it all. right?

sweet gif bro
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Male 5,475
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Male 39,955
Does anyone really believe in diversity?  I know I'm not welcome in various neighborhoods around the city. Hispanic areas, korean areas, black neighborhoods. Same with businesses owned by hispanics and blacks and others, they wouldn't consider hiring a white guy.  Is that diversity?

Just putting the thought out there
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Male 3,492
Gerry1of1 Pray tell, what are these black and hispanic businesses that wouldn't consider hiring a white guy?

Do you mean a gas station? Where did you put in an application/resume and they said "sorry, we don't hire white people?"
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Male 1,138
daegog Try getting a job as a garbage truck driver in my city being white.   How about a lawn service company?  Mexican Restaurant?  Similar to Chinese Restaurants, they won't hire white people.  I once worked at the recycling center here for a couple weeks whiles I was in between jobs as I needed to keep some money coming in.  I was the only white person there and I was not made to feel very comfortable at all.

Another perfect example in my city.  There is a place that buys and sells used pallets.  There are people, usually Mexicans, who drive around in their trucks with a trailer and collect pallets from the side of buildings.  They used to take mine all the time.  One time I asked them, and they said they get paid up to $5 a piece for them.  So a trailer full of these things, which is not hard to find, can easily make them as much as I make in a week, and they can easily get 1-2 trailers full a day.  I once tried to do the same thing in some free time on the weekend.  Went to the place and they offered me $1 a piece.  I did not do it.  Took the trailer back to work and parked it there.  The following weekend I had a Mexican friend of mine take the same exact load of pallets and they offered him much more than me.

It happens far more often than you think.  Just like a white person will be more likely to hire white people, a Mexican person will be more likely to hire more Mexicans.  
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Male 339
daegog A part in the lion king musical on broadway.
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Male 39,955
daegog If you walk into a business and 100% of the work force is {pick a colour} then it's fairly obvious they have hiring preferences. And I wouldn't be safe living in some neighborhoods. You can try to belittle it, but you know that's truth. If a company was all white it would be announced on the evening news as racist. I'm just pointing out a double standard.
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Female 4,440
Gerry1of1 There are several lawsuits filed here in Va over racism in the post offices against anyone not black (They're 90% black-employed here)  Oh and other lawsuits claim that mail turns up missing, opened, stolen out of etc.. but im sure that's just a coincidence.
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Male 3,492
melcervini Are the lawyers all black? 
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Female 4,440
daegog no idea.  I have to go to court all the (damn) time to represent my boss for various shenanigans and I'd say black women are the majority, then white dudes, white women, et al.. so likely?
 
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Male 3,492
Gerry1of1 You are pointing out nothing.  If you walk into a little dollar store, gas station or grocery store, its entirely likely that it is family owned.  If everyone in the family is latino, it stands to reason all the workers would be latino.

Dearborn michigan has the largest arab community in the country, and if you walk into any gas station, liqour store, flower shop, its all ran by arabic people, because most of those places are family owned and operated.  Not because they wont hire non arabs.

Conversely if i saw a little gas station somewhere in the appalachian mountains with nothing but white people, i wouldnt automatically assume they dont hire non white people, just how many non white people live in that area to even ask for a job.

This notion that blacks and hispanics own full fledged companies that will not hire white people is 100% absurd.

Unless you consider the local licqour store as a "company"
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Male 39,955
daegog And if you walked into a similar business like you describe but all the staff a white you'd scream it's racist.
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Male 3,492
Gerry1of1 I walk in to businesses with all white staffs all the time.  Have you ever been to america?  Do you know the majority of people are white?  
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Male 39,955
daegog You must live in a much 'whiter' part of the USA than I do. I rarely if ever go somewhere that is all white... that I've notice. I'm not taking head counts everywhere I go.

But why do you think it's impossible for non-whites to be racist? I pointed out that some minority owned businesses wouldn't hire a white and you have challenged the notion. Do you think racism is just something white people do? 
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Male 3,492
Gerry1of1 I live in Detroit, i dunno where you live, but i doubt its all that much 'whiter' than where you live.

I did NEVER said it is impossible for non-whites to be racist.  I pointed out that the most of the minority owned businesses are FAMILY businesses, which by nature tend to be of one ethnicity.

Racism is a complex thing that has to be put into perspective.  There is petty racism (he called me a mean name) then there is institutional racism (he got thrown in jail for 15 years for weed).  You see the difference?  All racism is bad, but all racism is not equivalent.


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Male 1,138
daegog In many areas I have lived, in South Texas and El Paso, it sure does not feel like I am in the majority.  Certain parts of town where I currently reside, San Antonio, it does, but other areas, I definitely feel I am in the minority.  Also, because unlike most white people here, I do understand a little Spanish, I can even hear and understand their whispered insults as I walk past them.  There are also parts of town on the North East and East side that are predominantly black.  Funny how these areas have the highest rates of crime as well, with the heavily Mexican areas being not too far behind and the predominantly white areas have much much less crime.  Also weird how funny you get looked at and treated walking in to "Tim's Oriental Food Market" if you are not Oriental.  They'll sell you stuff, but won't really talk to you.
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Male 3,492
waldo863 HI waldo, crime rate eh?  Well why do you think that is?

Are you suggesting black and latinos are just more apt to be criminals?  If that is not what you are suggesting, then what is your exact meaning, because it is unclear.

As for majority, I would guess that by 2030 Texas and california will have latino majorities, but that year is a guess.  At the current population trends it would be much sooner, but ya know trends change.
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Male 1,138
daegog I'm not suggesting anything.  For all I know it could be that white people are going to those areas and robbing/murdering those people, that's why the crime rate in those areas is higher.  I'm just stating the facts.  The crime rate in my city is higher in areas that have more black and/or latino residents.  They are also poorer neighborhoods.  There are also communities of poor white people though, and crime there, while higher than other areas, is not as high as the areas that are predominantly black and/or latino.

I would never suggest that blacks and/or latinos are more apt to be criminals though.  Maybe the blacks and latinos that grow up in those neighborhoods are though, because when you grow up with that kind of crime all around you, what do you expect?  If a white person grew up in those neighborhoods, they would be more apt to be a criminal as well.  Black/Latino people not living in those areas are not more apt to be criminals though.  It has nothing to do with skin color in other words, but more the type of community you are raised in.  It just so happens that white people are made to feel very uncomfortable, even having their lives threatened while just minding their own business, when they attempt to live in these neighborhoods.

It's not just here in the South either.  I once lived in Trotwood, Ohio, a bit outside of Dayton.  Predominantly black neighborhood.  All I ever did was mind my own business.  You see, I hated my life at the time.  I hated my parents and I hated just about everyone.  So I kept to myself.  Because of this, I was constantly accused of being racist.  Perhaps it also had to do with my tight blue jeans, big belt buckle, western shirts and cowboy hat.  Because I kept to myself and ignored everyone(including white people), fit a stereotype due to the way I dressed, people knew I was from TX and the area was predominantly black, I was labelled a racist.  When my Scientific Calculator got stolen, and I saw the guy steal it, I was accused by even the staff(multiple teachers and vice principal) of being racist.  They told me I was just saying he stole it because he was black, not because I saw him steal it, and that I must have lost it and just wanted his.  Oh well, my mistake for etching my name in to the cover/case not the calculator itself.  He ditched the case and etched his name into the calculator and said he lost the case.  They took his side and this was a white vice principal and the incident happened in a white teachers class room.
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Male 3,492
waldo863 I have lived in the city of Detroit in 3 different locations  over the last 15 years.  Every single time, I had white neighbors on my block.  I do now know where this "white fear" is coming from.  I am going to suggest to you that it is mainly due to ignorance.  The white people in my neighborhoods are LESS LIKELY to be victims of crime than black people.   The criminal element in the neighborhood fully expects the cops to investigate any crime against those white people far beyond the worthless paperwork involved in black on black crime.  Ignorance is a two way street.

You like facts, so lets go with facts then.  If its a fact that people of all races do drugs in more or less the same percentage (9-12%), how do you figure that so many more people of color are arrested and jailed for drug use and distribution? 

So how is this possible?  I mean one would expect to find APPROXIMATELY a prison population for drug offenses to mimic the over all population of the nation, this is not the case.

Now take that one fact and tie it into the concept of Crime Rates.  Now give another thought as to why the crime rate is so high in those black/latino neighborhoods as opposed to the white neighborhoods (of similar economic status).

TLDR: Send a 1000 cops to a poor area, they will arrest poor people.  The question is why have they focused on black/latino areas for longer than anyone reading this has lived?
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Male 1,138
daegog That is entirely possible, as I said, i do not know the reason for the higher crime rates in those areas, I just know it's there.  Was kind of beside the point though.

Back to the point, I personally, being white, have been made to feel very unwelcomed in mainly latino areas, when I lived in El Paso, mainly black areas when I lived in Trotwood and areas that are predominantly Oriental.  I briefly mentioned it above, but we have a business here called "Tim's Oriental Food Market."  Go in to that store as a white person.  You can't get a job there, and it's not because this is some local Mom and Pop grocery store.  This is a fairly large operation that supplies the vast majority of Chinese Food Restaurants in the area.  Sure, it's owned by a guy and some of his family works there, but the vast majority of the employees are not family.  It;s also funny how you get treated as a white person there.  I have heard other Oriental people go in there and be talking to the staff, in English mind you, and getting tips and tricks and sharing recipes and whatnot.  Go and as for that same advice as a white person though.

I also briefly mentioned my job at the recycling plant while I was between jobs.  As I said, it was very uncomfortable there.  Almost no one talked to me at first, and it was always work related.  Yet they were chatting away in Spanish with each other.  As I said earlier too, I know a bit of Spanish, enough to follow a conversation.  They were clearly BSing with each other, in some cases about the white guy(me).  Now as I said, that was at first.  I saw a few other white people come and go in my time there.  After a couple days they saw I had the same work ethic as them.  After the first week, all these people that did not speak English were speaking to me in English and BSing with me as well.  However, they clearly had preconceived notions of white people and wanted nothing to do with them.  Yes, that can be brought down on an individual basis, as I overcame it, but when new white people showed up, they were treated the same.  This is also not some Family Owned Operation.  This place ran with well over 100 employees 3 shifts a day.  Literally, 20-30 new temps every day, most of which quit, some in the middle of their shift, but most just did not show up the next day.  Not surprisingly, the ones who usually walked out mid-shift were the white ones.
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Male 3,492
waldo863 You are focusing on anecdotes and ignoring the bigger picture.

You ran into some latinos and  chinese that were or were not racist?  Not sure where your story is going there.

But if a person heads to howell, michigan, and happens across 10 white people who happen to overtly racist (for some reason i have never fathomed, the kkk is big there for some reason) would it then be reasonable to predict the rest of the white people in america's behavior based on those 10 white people in howell michigan?

OR 

Are those handful of people basically statistically irrelevant when it comes to the entirety of the white population of the country?

What i am getting at that you seem to be placing an extremely high value on your personal interactions, but you know that your personal interactions, no matter how broad they may be, are statistically irrelevant when it comes to the majority of any racial group.

TLDR:  You could meet 1000 people of a given race and those people might all treat you like absolute shit.  But if the race in question has a population of 15+ million, those 1000 people could well just be bad luck on your part.  The opposite holds true as well, you could meet 1000 people of a given race that treat you like a king, but you shouldn't expect everyone of that race to do the same.
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Male 1,138
daegog I totally agree with what you are saying now, but mainly, I was talking about this:
 This notion that blacks and hispanics own full fledged companies that will not hire white people is 100% absurd. 

It's not 100% absurd.  It happens more frequently that you might think.  I am also not saying that 100% of all minorities are like this either.  I'm also not saying that it's not our fault as white people did the same things to them for a long long time.

As is usually the case, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.  What you say is 100% absurd happens at least 10-20% of the time, so it's really 80% Absurd.  When you take into consideration that it does not have to be the owner, just a hiring manager, it becomes even less absurd.
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Male 20,917
I'm assuming that guy is demoted Monday morning.
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Male 1,511
fancylad Yes. HOW DARE he have and voice an opinion.
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Male 40,772
squidbush No diverse opinions about diversity will be allowed!!
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Male 402
fancylad You spelled f-i-r-e-d wrong
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Male 40,772
dkm458 You spelled "tarred and feathered" wrong... lolz!
Also "hung from the nearest tree". And probably set on fire, with teh tar and feathers eh? Makes a long-lasting, smoky blaze! But you have to use chain not rope for the hanging of course.
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