Father Publicly Denounces Son Photographed And ID'd As Part Of The White Supremacist Rally

Submitted by: kalron27 2 months ago in News & Politics


Peter Tefft (pictured above) of Fargo, North Dakota, was one of the marchers whose photo was posted all over social media on Saturday, August 12. It captured the attention of thousands, including his dad. Two days later, his father, Pearce Tefft, blasted his son in an open letter published in a local newspaper.

You can read the entire article here, but here's an outtake:

"I, along with all of his siblings and his entire family, wish to loudly repudiate my son's vile, hateful and racist rhetoric and actions. We do not know specifically where he learned these beliefs. He did not learn them at home."
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Male 1,138
All these replies and things get confusing to me at times, so I'm just gonna put this here.  My wording has been a bit off in this thread.  Yes, flying the flag is WRONG.  That does not make it ILLEGAL however.  People that want to spread amessage of hate have every right to do so, as long as they are not harming other people and doing it either on their own private property, private property they have permission to be on or public property.  There is nothing ILLEGAL about that.  
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Male 40,772
waldo863 They had a permit to march, the police had a duty to protect them (they failed, deliberately).

People who oppose their march can also get a legal permit, and can PEACEFULLY counter-protest all they like. The alt-left did not do that, didn't even try to.
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Male 5,027
I never thought I'd see the day where people were sticking up for white supremacist on IAB, let alone repeatedly sticking up for them. I would never stick up for the Antifa and their destructive actions - they are not in any way part of what I believe in. Waldo863 and 5Cats, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Seriously.
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Male 40,772
markust123 So they have NO human rights because YOU dislike them? Fuck that shit.

They are human being and have the exact same rights as YOU do. They were LEGALLY voicing their opposition to tearing down a statue and were attacked by a violent mob (who were backed up by the police, not stopped by them).

If you think it's OK to use violence to silence those you dislike? Then fuck yourself.
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markust123 

tribalism
ˈtrībəˌlizəm/
noun

  1. the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes
    the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group.

That seems like it sums it up pretty well.
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Male 40,772
daegog No, not even close. Strawmen never are...
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Male 39,955
All he needs to be set right is a black lover in prison.
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Female 398
Disowning would have been based solely on that haircut! Ugh
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Male 1,739
savagenation His haircut is very Hitlery, eh? 
Not enough testosterone to grow the Hitler 'stache though.
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Male 39,955

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Male 402
Gerry1of1 FAAAABULOUS
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Male 1,138
Gerry1of1 Are you referring to the son, the father or both?
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Male 38
Public shaming is absolutely the best way to deal with these type of jokers.  
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Male 1,138
andrewg123 Not really.  It simply drives them to only associate with their own kind and reinforces the hate.  It's actually probably the worst way to deal with them.
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Male 40,772
Here's more: http://www.inforum.com/news/4311766-local-man-called-out-social-media-after-attending-nationalist-rally-Virginia

Note what this letter says: random strangers are harassing them for being related to Peter... who are these people? Nazis? White Supremicists? NOPE! They are liberals and leftists, that's who.
So because the liberal left is attacking and threatening them? They throw their own kinfolk out like trash.
He may well BE trash, he sure sounds like a vile and reprehensible person, but to submit to mob violence like that? Deplorable.

Of course mob violence is all the left has to offer now, look how proud of it they are.
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5cats (White Power)

You should start adding this into your posts whenever you speak on the subject.
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Male 3,492
5cats 100s of your buddies flying nazi flags, and you are whining about one random guy getting letters?  

You are beyond fucked in the head, there are no meds that can fix you.  Lobotomies are free in Canada right?
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Male 1,138
daegog and what is wrong with people flying Nazi flags?  As long as they are not hurting anyone, they have a right to fly them if they so choose.  Flying a flag is not harassing someone.  Sending someone tons of letters for something they did not do IS.  Do you see the difference?

I may not believe in the same things those Nazi flag fliers believe, but I do believe they have a right to believe it, as long as they are not causing physical harm to anyone or harassing them.

These people can hate him and believe he is evil all they want.  They can even talk about it.  Once you cross the line to harassing someone though, there is a problem.
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Male 4,950
waldo863 By your logic here, burning a cross on one's lawn should be no problem. Only it is--particularly if there are black families living on your street--because a burning cross is an emblem of terror, just as the swastika is inextricably linked to the murder of millions of Jews and racial genocide.

Both are more than mere symbols. They are forms of incitement. This is precisely why it is illegal to make the Nazi salute in Germany or display the swastika.
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Male 1,138
squrlz4ever Well, burning a cross on ones property ruins their lawn.  You entered someone private property, without their consent and did something that ruined their lawn.  No.  My logic does not say that's ok.  I never have and never will think it is ok to go on to someone else's private property without their permission.  But how is flying a flag doing that?
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Male 3,447
squrlz4ever or a noose from a tree...
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Male 1,082
squrlz4ever Thank you for making the point I was going make, but in a more elquent than I was probably going to.

2 years ago there were some kids; They were over 18 but under 25.  They thought it would be funny to burn a cross on the front lawn on someone in our community.  They're both still in jail -- I think they got 5 years.  Their defense was they meant it as a joke and didn't realize the symbolism.
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lockner01 My pleasure; thanks for the compliment.

Wow. That's an interesting anecdote. People are keenly aware about the rights to free speech and freedom of expression in America. Less often do they understand the penalties, often severe, that come with abuses of those freedoms, such as making terroristic threats (yes, you can get real jail time for making terroristic threats online) or displaying historical symbols of terror, such as nooses or burning crosses.
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Male 1,138
squrlz4ever but flags?  Really?  Yes, a flag is a terrible symbol, but if you are flying it from your own car or on your own property, there is nothing wrong with flying a flag.  Burning a cross on someone's lawn DOES hurt them though.  It destroys their lawn which is their property which they now have to either spend time or money getting back to looking proper.  That is not ok at all.  Obviously much much much worse than flying a flag.
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squrlz4ever Just for the record I live in Canada.
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Male 4,950
lockner01 Oh, thanks for the tip. My apologies for assuming otherwise. We used to indicate nationality (and for the USA, region) beneath usernames on IAB. I'm hoping that functionality can be added into the new design before long.
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squrlz4ever (thumbs up emogi)
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waldo863 People have just as much right to repudiate actions of an individual as said individual has of carrying a racist, Aryan power flag.

Actions have consequences. It's absolute bullshit to defend his actions and repudiate the actions of those that are also displaying their first amendment rights.
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Male 1,138
pleasestop except that, in addition to practicing free speech, she was also trespassing, asked to leave and took her sweet ass time doing so while continuing to harass him on his own property.  All he did was exercise his right to free speech.  He did not trespass anywhere nor did he harass anyone on their own property.  Do you see the difference?
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waldo863 Again. There is no issue with his right to free speech. There are however consequences. Do you not see nor understand that?
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pleasestop There are consequences to free speech?  Like having to allow people to harass me on my own property?  There are consequences for trespassing and harassing someone, that I know.  What consequences are you talking about?  Should he be arrested?  For Free Speech? 
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Male 3,492
waldo863 "what is wrong with people flying nazi flags?"

You are getting into 5Cats level of crazy with statements like this.  



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Male 40,772
daegog What the hell are you talking about "100s of people flying Nazi flags" for?
You like to make shit up eh? Then lecture others about making crazy statements? Typical liberal.

What "one random guy writing letters" are you talking about?  The SUBJECT HERE perhaps? I'm complaining by staying ON topic in your mind?
Put the drugs down for a while and sober up...
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Male 1,138
daegog Not really.  Is that not covered under Free Speech?  Are they not allowed to do this if they want?  Again, as long as they are not actually doing anything to people, there is nothing wrong with flying a flag.  Nothing at all.  If they could not fly their flags and tell people about their message, whether the message is right, wrong or indifferent, would that not be removing their free speech?  So, by saying it is NOT ok for them to fly their flags, you are saying you are against free speech.
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waldo863 "Flying a flag is not harassing someone."

Actually, it is, just ask my wife who is Jewish.
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Male 1,138
kalron27 Well then, apparently she was harassed in school by her History teachers as well.  History is harassment now.  What about the Holocaust Museum in D.C.?  Is that harassment as well?  If she considers it harassment, I suggest she take it to court because harassment is illegal and you could get all mention of Nazis removed from all history books and have the Holocaust museum burned down.

Now, if while they were flying their flags they cornered her and shouted obscenities at her, I think you'd have a case, but the act of flying the flag by itself is not harassment.  Sorry.
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Male 3,447
waldo863 Your a fool if you think you are right about this one.  History is one thing, purposely flying the flag as a symbol is an acknowledgement that Jews are not human and should be exterminated.  That is what it means, that is what the flag stands for PERIOD.  No question, no counter statement.  Listen to some of the video of the White Supremacists from this weekend and hear how many times they call for the death of Jews.

Are you Jewish...no?  Then shut the fuck up about the subject.

Try going to Germany and wave a Nazi flag...lets see how long you sit in prison.
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Male 1,138
 purposely flying the flag as a symbol is an acknowledgement that Jews are not human and should be exterminated.  
That is where you are wrong.  It's a subtle, but important distinction.  Flying the flag as a symbol is acknowledging that they believe Jews are not human and should be exterminated.  Again, believing something is ok, as long as they are not acting on that belief.  If all they are doing is talking about that belief and writing letters to congress to try and enforce that belief, so be it, they are not doing anything wrong.

I'm not sure of the laws in Germany, but if it is illegal there, then no, I would not do that there.  However, I live in a free country where I am entitled to my beliefs.  As long as I am not actually harming anyone, I am allowed to have those beliefs, and so are they.
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waldo863 It's technically illegal here because the Nazi Flag is not protected by Free Speech.  It is a symbol of death and anti-American.  We fought against it to oppose the concept.  If you flew a Nazi Flag in your yard, I guarantee someone in authority will show up and force you to take it down.  The Confederate Flag is going that direction as well...and for good reason.
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United States
The public display of Nazi flags is protected by the
First Amendment to the United States Constitution which guarantees the right to freedom of speech[23]
Pretty sure it is.  Nice job comparing it to trespassing and destruction of property though.  Entering someones lawn to hang a noose from their tree is called trespassing.  Burning a cross in someones lawn is called trespassing and destruction of property.  Those actions are not free speech.  Flying a flag is not.  Flying a flag that sends a message is free speech.  If that speech is hateful and vile, I will not agree with it, but they have a right to it.
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Male 3,447
waldo863 Doing nothing and saying nothing means you are part of the problem and a sympathizer.  Congratulations on defending Nazis and Hate.
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Male 4,950
waldo863 It's called incitement, Waldo. Try burning a cross on your lawn in the evening, particularly if there are black families living on your street, and see how well that works out for you.
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squrlz4ever If I chose to do it in my lawn, yeah, my neighbors would probably hate me.  Actually, as many as had Trump signs in their yard, maybe they'd love me and we'd start a BBQ.  I dunno.  Either way, people could call the cops until the cows came home.  As long as I am doing it on my property, I am not doing anything illegal.  Unless it is against the HOA of course, and will probably get fined for the black spot in my yard too.  However, no one would be taking me to jail and if they did, I would be suing, because I did nothing illegal or worthy of arrest.  Now, if I started arguing and yelling obscenities at people who said something to me about it?  If I started threatening anyone who said anything to me about it?  Sure, I've commited a crime.  Lock me up.  However, if ALL I do is set up  across in my own yard, light it on fire and stand there and watch it?  Yeah, neighbors are gonna hate, but I would not be going to jail.

Please, keep in mind, I am not talking about right and wrong here.  Yes, nearly any of the actions we are discussing here are WRONG.  I firmly believe that and agree with you all.  However, WRONG does not equal ILLEGAL.  Flying a flag is not illegal and someones right to fly it is in fact protected by the first amendment like it or not.  Flying a flag is not inciting anyone.  It may upset some people, and rightfully so, but if ALL that is being done is flying a flag, that is not incitement.  
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Male 3,447
squrlz4ever "It's called incitement"

B-I-N-G-O 
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Male 3,492
waldo863 Now you are being purposely obtuse.  To pretend there is no difference between teaching/remembering history and the obvious glorification of the Nazi regime is childish.
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Male 1,138
daegog I'm not being purposely obtuse, you guys are.  You are the one saying that they don't have free speech because they don't believe the same thing as you and that it is ok to harass them because they have different beliefs than you.  

They can believe whatever the fuck they want and as long as it doesn't contain nudity or foul language they can fly whatever symbols they want to let others know how they feel.  As long as they are not acting on their beliefs, they are simply practicing free speech.
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waldo863 Threatening people with death is not free speech.
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Male 40,772
kalron27 That is what the liberal-left were doing to Peter's family, you are aware of that fact yes?

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Male 1,138
kalron27 But just flying the flag is not threatening anyone.  If there are death threats involved, then yes, something should be done,  Just flying a flag is not a death threat though.
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Male 3,447
waldo863 Sorry but Nazi Flag = Kill All Jews

Same as Burning A Cross as squrlz4ever mentioned.

Or hanging a Noose from a Tree, which people get arrested and convicted for.
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Male 3,492
waldo863 This is where the disconnect is for you.

To YOU flying a nazi flag is not threatening anyone.  To OTHERS it is 100% a threat, it means violence is coming, it means rage and hate is coming.  

To the exact same extent that it is ILLEGAL to shout fire in a crowded building, is it all that much different to walk into a building with a Nazi outfit?  Not everyone, of course, will react to that outfit in the same way, but not everyone will react to hearing the word fire in the same way either.  Some will panic, some will assess, but the ACTION is meant to cause a reaction.

I cannot speak for others, for myself, someone flying a nazi flag is indicative of that persons desire to do harm to me, as that is what the flag stands for.  My reaction would depends on a multitude of factors, as would the reactions of others.

I understand the notion of a free country and people should be able to do what they want, however, there are limits.  How are those limits determined?  By history and simple decency.
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Male 3,447
daegog "ILLEGAL to shout fire in a crowded"

Here Here

Inciting Violence is Illegal.
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Male 40,772
kalron27 "Inciting Violence is Illegal."

Unless the liberal-left do it, then you (and all the rest of the IAB Liberals on this thread) openly support it and call for more!

You are aware that the 'Shouting Fire..." ruling was from a judge convicting people (wrongfully) for objecting to the draft... in WW1. Right? You do know that, or are you just that ignorant? That it was restricting their first amendment rights to pass out leaflets objecting to an (they saw) illegal drafting to fight a foreign war...
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waldo863 Why would nudity be a problem?
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mrteatime because some people may not want their kids to see it.  If it's displayed publicly, can't have nudity, sadly.
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waldo863 
Nudity is displayed in museums in the form of art - Context can be everything.

Teaching history, especially if it can help prevent past mistakes from reocurring, is one thing. Embracing and celebrating those ideologies is another.

Humanity remembers few evils like the nazi regime.

To celebrate it in any way is appalling.
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jaysingrimm In a museum, which is not a public space.  Parents have a choice whether to take their children inside the museum or not.  Parents don't have a choice of driving down the road or not.  So nudity flying in view of public streets is not near the same as in a museum where people who may be offended by it can not go there.
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Male 40,772
waldo863 Women going topless is totally legal in a lot of places now, yes in public. Like... Canada!

Check out NYC's problems with mostly-naked street hustlers...
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Male 1,138
5cats Well, public nudity is still illegal here in TX.
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jaysingrimm "Humanity remembers few evils like the nazi regime"

Comment of the thread...
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Male 40,772
This guy has been the target of a poster and online hate-campaign since January:
http://www.inforum.com/news/4211669-posters-call-fargo-man-nazi-man-says-hes-pro-white

Just look at that article! It's amazing.
- "If you spot Pete please make sure that he knows he is not welcome in our community through your words and actions," states the poster circulated by Luke Safely of Moorhead.
- (Safely) thinks downtown business owners should ban Tefft from their establishments.
- "I just see myself as a person who is against oppressive environments," Safely said.

Without the slightest sense of irony, he tries to make an entire town ostracize a single man because of his political opinions... but he's opposed to oppression :-/

Of course IAB Liberals will cheer this fellow and endorse his hate-campaign...

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5cats He actually has a point here guys.  If I caught my daughter doing anything like this, I certainly would not respond with MORE HATE.  That's just stupid and feed the HATE.  She will now HATE me and redirect that HATE back towards whatever movement she was a part of that started this.

As long as her protests were peaceful, I would just calmly talk to her about her feelings on the subject and have an open discussion about it.  If she still felt the same after a discussion with me, that's her prerogative.  I would warn her of the dangers of these things getting out of hand and violent and that I want her taking no part in any of that, but if she wants to go speak her mind, in a calm and intelligent manner, and try to get other people to listen to her, that's ok.  As long as they are not harming anyone, who cares.
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Male 40,772
waldo863 Thanks! I certainly don't agree with Peter's position on most issues (as far as I've read) but he has valid points and hasn't broken any laws that I have found/seen.
If he's insufferable at family gatherings? Then deal with that eh? Who doesn't have annoying relatives?
But to use this rally as an excuse isn't valid. To BOW DOWN to threats and violence from the liberal-left is also not justifiable either.
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5cats My guess is you ABSOLUTELY agree with him on MOST issues. You might not both be nazis, but you both probably fall line for line on support of Trump, his policies, and his rhetoric.
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waldo863 Yep, responding to hate with rage especially in these recent cases makes no sense. I think a lot of folks buying in and supporting it just mistakenly see it as something "anti-Trump" and jump right on the wagon.
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trimble well, in this case, many people seem to be going, "it's 5Cats, he must be wrong."  While I agree, some/most of what he says is just flat out wrong and/or stupid, he often gets something right.  People still give him all sorts of hate.  I think the best thing to do would be to ignore his stupid posts and support his decent ideas.  Funnily enough, I think we should do the same with Trump.
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waldo863 Lolz, the IAB Liberals will burn you alive for saying that :D

Of course I'm not 100% perfect, but there's a core group of people with pure hate as their only motivation. They will never admit I get anything correct, I am always not only wrong but pure evil incarnate. They all have ESP and tell me exactly what I think, much to my surprise!

They think the same about Trump too, they think whatever their DNC/MSM masters tell them to think actually...

Heck, even I gave Obama credit when he deserved it. It isn't my fault that was so very rare...
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Male 9,769
5cats Drop the victim and persecution complex. There have been two topics TODAY that I have directly agreed with you on in writing.
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5cats Honestly, whether it's you or Trump or anyone really, basic child care has taught me that negative reinforcement  does not work as well as positive.  So simply ignore the bad behavior and reward the good and the bad behavior starts to go away on it's own and is replaced with good behavior.  If people treated you and Trump the way I treated my 7 year old daughter, then maybe they would stop the bad behavior.
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waldo863 As a childcare worker (formerly) I totally agree.

However? There are times when the reinforcement received by the bad behaviour outweighs the rewards for not doing it :/ This is especially true among adults eh? And doubly so over the internets.
I've ignored people (trolls and hate-spammers) for months at a time, they still spam 3-5 hate-filled comments a day without any reaction or reply from me required. For MONTHS they have kept it up...

The best use of "carrot and stick" is to never actually use the stick. But if you are holding two carrots? You'll soon lose both of them and nothing will improve :\
Holding 2 sticks is very bad also, of course. That is what the liberal left have chosen to do however...
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Male 3,492
Pops is thinking "I'm not getting fired because my dumbass son hanging around idiots"
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Male 40,772
What an asshole that father is, that young man is far better off without hate-filled people like that in his life. Typical liberals.
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5cats WHITE POWER
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Male 1,082
5cats RFLMAO -- you can't be serious.  Tell me you're being sarcastic.
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Male 40,772
lockner01 Read more and learn. Think for yourself don't just blindly obey the MSM.

If you think someone attending a legal rally is a valid reason to disown them? That holding a divergent political opinion is just cause to disinherit your won children? Hey that's your opinion, not mine.
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5cats I read the link you posted. It was an article from Feb 2017.  And I'm sure he didn't start being a Nazi in Feb 2017 -- it had to have been years before that.  How long do you except the deplorable behaviour or one of your children?  

In the letter his father said he was welcome back if he renounced his hateful beliefs.  To me this isn't hatered, the father doesn't want to be surrounded by or associated with hatered.
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lockner01 Obey MY opinions or you cannot attend family gatherings. Not nice dude... what sort of father says that?
You are welcome if you deny everything you believe in and only obey MY beliefs. This is how parents should act?

Yes, this has been ongoing, when did I suggest it wasn't? The use of this rally is clearly an excuse.
And the liberal-leftists are the ones threatening and harassing the family, ok? Ponder that a moment...
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5cats If one of my daughters had said 

“The thing about us fascists is, it’s not that we don’t believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We’ll just throw you in an oven.”

At a family gathering I would probably suggest that she not say things like that.  If she continued saying racist and hateful things I would suggest she not attend family outings. If she was photographed at a Nazi Rally after years of asking her to not spread hate -- I'm not sure what I would do but I can see where this dud is coming from.

The son obviously spouted his racist viewpoints on multiple occasions.  The public photos of the rally were just the straw that broke the camel's back.  
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lockner01 It was not a Nazi rally, you need to lay off the MSM Kool-Aid ok?
It was a lawful protest that was attacked by criminals.

He said dumb stuff, so? Who hasn't? His stuff was offensive and racist, yes, and?

And the deal breaker here was the threats of violence and harassment from liberal-leftist against the family: THAT is why Peter was disowned... you ought to try paying more attention eh? There has been an on-going "shaming campaign" to harass Peter until he is run out of town, that's all long before this rally happened. The family are obviously included in this as targets.
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5cats When did I say anything about a nazi rally?  
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lockner01 If she was photographed at a Nazi Rally after years...
You mean aside from when you said Nazi Rally? 
It is the topic of conversation and all the MSM-blinded liberals are branding it that, no matter what the facts say otherwise...

You also claim Peter was a Nazi, which may be true but is far from a proven fact. He's an idiot and a White Power type, but that isn't the same as being "A Nazi" ok? Again: he may well be one, but we don't know that yet.
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5cats You are right. I did mention "Nazi Rally". However why would people have swastikas and other nazi symbols on shields if it wasn't a nazi rally?
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lockner01 SOME of the people who attended were Nazis and members of various Nazi Parties. SOME NOT ALL.
It was a 'White Pride' type march, not a Nazi one. Were ALL the people carrying Nazi flags? No? Then I rest my case.

It was a LEGALLY authorised march to object to the city destroying the historical monument. Not a Nazi Rally... so every time the MSM says that? They are (imagine this!) lying.
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Male 9,769
5cats You can't possibly be a real person.
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5cats BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You try too hard to go against the grain.
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5cats the father is the asshole for denouncing his son for being a Nazi? He is better off hanging around hate filled people than a family that disagrees with bigotry?

Your logic is remarkable. 
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layla_wilson His attending a legal rally is the reason for denouncing him? They threw him out of the family and banned him from gatherings because of THAT? This is what gets him disowned?

He may be (assuredly is) an asshole (the son I mean) but he clearly has a solid asshole role-model to follow in his father, yes? He did indeed learn to hate at home. Chip off the old block!

"I will not tolerate your intolerance! You are banned from disagreeing with me! We must accept all opinions, except yours, you have no right to have one." & etc...

Being bigoted against bigotry is still bigotry...
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5cats Legal rally promoting white power.... got ya.
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pleasestop It could be a march to promote painting your teeth green, what difference does it make? It was legal, the rioters were not.

Are you suggesting the hundreds (thousands!) of "Black Power" "Gay Pride" and "Women's Power" marches these past few years are somehow illegal (or should be?) is that what you're after now? Same exact thing...
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5cats are you saying that being intolerant to Nazi's is bigoted?

I would offer you a shovel but clearly you dont need it.




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layla_wilson Denying someone the right to enter a store or restaurant because of their skin colour  sexual orientation religion political beliefs is A-OK with you? THAT is your idea of tolerance? You can keep that shovel, thanks.
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5cats You have the right to believe whatever the hell you want to, but I'm not forced to put up with that shit. You want to be a Nazi, fine, just don't step foot into my fucking store because I'm not putting up with it.

I respect your right to believe whatever you want, you respect my right to refuse service to whoever I choose.
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pleasestop Replace 'Nazi' with: gay, black, woman, Jew, Muslim, short person and see how that fits you... same exact thing.

You have a right to not allow Negros into your store? Do tell! You probably do have that right, but you think one is good and the other is bad, you cannot have it both ways...
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5cats One is discrimination against something over which a person has no control. I cannot control the color of my skin. I can control whether or not I'm an intolerant piece of shit.
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pleasestop Gay, Jew, Muslim... ANY political party? Those have NO say in their condition? They cannot change, ever? Not even short people?

You cannot stop yourself from being a little piece of shit, intolerant or otherwise...
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pleasestop OUCH x2
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5cats wait.

are you saying people should tolerate Nazi's because its their political belief? 

Astounding.


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layla_wilson Again: active (and violent) discrimination against a political belief, that is what you are advocating here, nothing less.

The use of threats and actual violence to silence those you disagree with, you are fine with that. Typical.

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5cats It is my political belief that you should be locked in a dungeon and gang raped by clowns till the end of your days. Now don't get mad, those are just my beliefs. If you discriminate against my beliefs then you are a bigot.
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5cats All i see happening here is you being a Nazi-sympathizer....

Where am i advocating violent discrimination against Nazi's?

You are the one Defending Violent, extremist Nazi's...
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layla_wilson You are indeed promoting and supporting violence against political beliefs you disagree with.

The 'Nazis' were having a peaceful, legal protest in a park. The fascists (liberals and leftists) attacked them. Get the facts straight. This was an organized, planned assault and the police were told to not stop them, just like in Berkley, just like in dozens of riots across America these days...

So you don't like them and don't agree with them? Fine, but don't try claiming they deserved to be attacked.
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5cats You defend the rights of Nazi's. You are a Nazi Sympathizer.

Also re-read your comment, It doesn't make sense.

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layla_wilson Nazis have no rights then? None at all, just beat them up and kill them, they deserve it! Hell, the police should even help you do it. And target their families for harassment and threats too! Even if they aren't Nazis themselves, they also deserve it! (that is exactly what happened here, to Peter's family, you are aware of that yes?)

Yeah... no, that isn't how it works. Defending human rights doesn't make me a Nazi, it makes you one for denying them though.
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5cats 

"Nazis have no rights then?"

Considering in their place of birth they have been shunned and disavowed as well as banned and made illegal...then yep...Nazis have no rights in our reality...
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kalron27 So FUCKING KILL THEM ALL! That will prove how tolerant you are of the opinions of others! Yeah! Fuck yeah! Then kill the rest of the "alt-right" too, they have NO RIGHT TO LIVE! The kill the dirty Jews, you know you want to...
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5cats You really are bat shit crazy

Im out.
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layla_wilson You're an idiot who cannot support your bullshit with anything resembling facts, truth or reality.
Bye bye little one! Go to your 'safe space' and suck your thumb like always...
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5cats "You're an idiot who cannot support your bullshit with anything resembling facts, truth or reality." 

Many could say that exact phrase to you.

"Bye bye little one! Go to your 'safe space' and suck your thumb like always..."

honestly. After back and forth responses, you respond 24 hours later with that?

Call me little one all you like. You are the one that needs to grow the fuck up.
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layla_wilson ...me too...
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Male 15,271
layla_wilson he is saying exactly that.
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Male 3,492
layla_wilson He is just tired from his road trip to Virginia, im sure in a day or two he will be fine.  Not sure if we should be letting radical extremists like him into the country tho.
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Male 9,769
layla_wilson "your logic". LOL.
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layla_wilson Never try to use logic with 5cats. He's a professional troll with a lot of issues that he should seek treatment for.
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fancylad Just keep in mind this is the guy you've given a public forum to repeatedly spread hate, divisiveness, and misinformation for almost a decade. 
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holygod yeah, you've nailed it: Fancy has given him this public forum. Doesn't matter the rules broken, lies told, hate spread, minorites mocked, etc. The KKKat gets the page views. Period. That was Fancy's price.
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holygod and rather successfully turned him in to a laughing stock, I hopped that fence long ago. Besides, you need 5cats, he's your contrapositive, the ying to your yang, the fucked to your up. Without him, people might start realizing you're really nuts. Second in line.
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thething911 HG may be a number of things--he's imperious at times and a tad belligerent. He's also the most capable debater on the entire website. Outside of IAB, it appears he's a good businessman and doing a great job of running his own company.

The last thing I'd call HG is "nuts." I suspect you're doing so because he's often in opposition to one particular IAB'er, and humans have a love of symmetry. They like to think if one thing is opposed to another, the two things must somehow be equal. That's specious reasoning, frankly. HG is by no means "nuts."
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squrlz4ever Hey what happened to that multi-post you posted earlier this year?  the 3-parter?  Was that you? or 5cats?
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monkwarrior You mean the IAB miniseries I did on Kawehi?

IAB Miniseries: Kawehi
Part 1: "(Not Another Lame) Fight Song" By Kawehi
Part 2: Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel" By Kawehi
Part 3: "Nirvana's "Heart-Shaped Box" By Kawehi
Part 4: "Mona Lisa" By Kawehi And Two Interviews
Part 5: "Anthem" By Kawehi

If you're about to put a miniseries together on 9/11, a few suggestions:

  • Try to do five installments and keep them short. Five short installments is better than 2 or 3 really long ones.
  • Try to make the miniseries contain as much original content as possible. I'd be a lot more interested in reading your ideas and thoughts, with links to supporting materials, than I'd be in someone else's miniseries that's already available on YouTube.
  • Try to think of it as doing a watercolor. For each installment, lay down just one layer of color, so to speak. The installments should reinforce one another and build on each other. Don't try to do too much with any one installment.
  • Put an indicator to the reader of where each installment fits in your series, thus: "9/11 Miniseries: #1 of 5." You can use that in the subtitle of the post (for the main page) and at the top of the post's body text.
  • Tell Fancy when you're planning for each post to go up with a note in brackets at the start of the body copy: [FANCY: PLEASE HOLD THIS UNTIL TUESDAY, 9/5], etc.
  • Try to get your installments all done as a group prior to the first one going up. That way you have a sense of the total scope of the miniseries and the series as a whole hangs together better. It's also a lot less stressful than trying to get an installment done at the last minute each day.

Hope this helps and good luck!
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squrlz4ever thanks i'll use that. I see you remember we discussed it back then too, another I-A-B member doesn't think so, unfortunatelly we must have spoken of it in another thread becauase the correspondence isnt in any of those.
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monkwarrior Hey, Monk. I managed to find where we'd discussed your idea for a miniseries: in the comments below Part 5 of the Kawehi series.
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squrlz4ever good catch, i scrolled down and hit that first blank spot and thought that was the page end.. i didn't realize i missed it until just now.
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squrlz4ever I DUNNO.. calls himself holygod.. MIGHT be one of them Olympian religious extremists :P 
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squrlz4ever Imperious is a good one. Supercilious is another good one. The problem is most of the people I debate with don't know what those words mean.

Oh shit, I did it again.  ;)
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thething911 I'm nuts? That's interesting. I've been called lots of things online, not sure nuts was ever one of them.
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holygod I'm a relative newby here(well, with comments anyway) and I have already made the decision to refuse to acknowledge anything "he" says.  All he wants is attention and we should ignore him, not feed his ego
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Male 9,769
Wait, is it, can it be? Another "Make America Great Again" hat? Hmmmm. The nazis sure got the subtext didn't they?
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holygod You can pick the functional Nazis out pretty easy these days with their starter pack: Ill-fitting khakis, white tucked-in polo shirt, doughy physique, the "Nazi haircut" (which used to be cool with early-'80s indie bands, but is ruined now), and incredulous sense of entitlement. Almost like little Trumps when Trump goes golfing.
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