There's An Actual Anthem For Science, It's Called "The Symphony Of Science"

Submitted by: fuad119 4 months ago in Science


Featuring all of my heroes including Michael Shermer, Jacob Bronowski, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Jill Tarter, Lawrence Krauss, Richard Feynman, Brian Greene, Stephen Hawking, Carolyn Porco, and PZ Myers, promoting science through words of wisdom. 
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Male 6,243
yes, thank God for the tool of science, it has done so much. But lets not glorify a tool too much, lets learn use it properly. And that's a realm for another set of tools: diplomacy and faiths, which help people, and nations, to flow near the most righteous and true paths, resulting in positive growth of nations and the world.  Where all the tools available to humankind are used properly, wisely, righteously and effectively, for the benefit of us all.  what a day it would be, hmm? no war, no greed, no killing no jealousy.
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Male 15,342
monkwarrior OTOH, I believe:

God is a tool

for manipulation of our fellows for power and profit.
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Male 6,243
Draculya Actually, God is real, and religion is a tool for humankind to teach us how to live righteously.
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Male 1,049
Draculya exactly. Opiate of the masses. Brainwashing and poorly justified leadership of unqualified individuals. 
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Male 6,243
marsii no surprise your indoctrination would drive you to vocally agree to a fallacy.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior no surprise the zealot calls others indoctrinated. Call them what you are and they'll never suspect. So clever. Also scream fallacy at others, regardless if you know what it means.
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Male 6,243
marsii no surprise you continue to react biased and unscientifically, even though people you target do know things that you desperately try to claim they don't, and you react emotionally with more fallacies. 

Not very intelligent if you ask me, 'dr. scientist'.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior Oh, I wouldn't ask you. I don't respect you at all. I just find your opinion of science disgusting and your faith in religion disturbing. What you call scientific or unscientific is irrelevant because you have demonstrated no scientific expertise or skill. I'm not so much talking to you as making sure other people see your comments in good context. When you stoop to repeating yourself and childish taunting then it's basically over. Like now for example.
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Male 6,243
marsii interesting that you continue fallacies, when you can't even point out what my 'opinion of science' is which is 'disgusting'.  You are simply blinded by your indoctrination to hate on the tool of religion, and are spouting ridiculousness because of it, further damaging yourself, and showing your unscientific mindset.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior Nah. You have gross opinions. Childish and uninformed. Mock superiority that stands on transparent nothing. It's crude, unoriginal, uninspired, and lazy. This little video above is apparently a threat to your mighty idols? Better not glorify it too much! Hahaha. Else you might learn something. Might learn to question your faith and your indoctrination. Don't disturb the shaky ground your ridiculousness sits on. It will fall. 
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Male 6,243
marsii Don't look now but you're the one being childish and uninformed.  Not only did you not point out what my 'opinion of science' which is 'disgusting' to you is, but ignored that i am thankful for the tool of science.  

Again, it's you who has a lot to learn, as your biased indoctrination against religion makes you more juvenile than intelligent.  eg. you emotionally lash out saying religion will fail, and have no evidence to back that up, and history clearly shows you are wrong, and the current numbers show you're wrong as well. Clearly your biased indoctrination is failing here, because you're desperate to make a point, but too indoctrinated against the tool of religion to see the err in your ways.

It appears my points are too much of a threat to your indoctrination against religion, so most of your judgments fly right back in your face.  Run along now, you know you've met your match, and you have nothing else but ridiculousness.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior You should probably ask yourself when the last time you heard an adult say something like "don't look now but you're ...." Your thankfulness of science as a tool is akin to my appreciation of your insight of this topic. You've been useful to demonstrate the shortcomings of debate but there are better sources for enlightenment regarding science. So thankfully you were here otherwise we wouldn't get to discuss how religion has often impeded scientific progress, how religion abuses power, or how religion (particularly faith based) is at it's core unscientific. Then you also demonstrated how people who defend biased belief do not adhere to scientific demand for questioning. We've had this sort of talk before. You'll say something like "I don't care what you think" but you'll reply ad nauseum. Is that the plan this time too? I think you actually crashed the thread with your trolling everyone.
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Male 6,243
marsii So you have nothing but more of your indoctrination and projection?  how unscientific and ridiculous.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior yeah. Let's not let facts ruin some good brainwashing we got going. "Be careful there with that science. Might accidentally learn something."
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Male 6,243
marsii That's quite an unscientific statement you've made, in fact it's quite a fallacious one.  I get you like science and want to glorify it, what you've said is like a carpenter running down the street holding up his Phillips screwdriver repeating over and over "The greatest tool ever!  It's the greatest tool ever!..".  When another carpenter comes up and says "what about my slot screwdriver? it really helps in places where i can't use a phillips!" the first carpenter stops, turns to them and says "you deluded simpleton, phillips screwdrivers are the best tool ever, how stupid are you?".  see how ridiculous it is?  If so you can see how ridiculous you were.
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Male 1,049
Is this the guy who bitches about personal attacks? I'm not a science fan, I'm a scientist. Your religion provides no tools to understand the world as it is and in fact now hinders actual progress. Ridiculous. If I'm walking around with a screwdriver, you've yet to move beyond an unworked rock.
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Male 1,891
marsii You're a semi-hairless ape who has learned a few tricks and figured a couple of things out about God's creation.

As a scientist, I'm certain you are either aware of or able to discover the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It fits that scientists are still in the beginning stages of the curve.
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Male 1,049
insaneai Is religion the tool that tells us we orbit the Sun or is it science?

Is religion the tool we use to understand plate tectonics or is it science?

Is it religion or science that tells us how stars form and where black holes are?
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Male 1,891
marsii OK.  Explain the origin and properties of space.  Who and or what decided the laws of physics should be what they are?

Remember, people like you were absolutely convinced that slitting a patient's wrists would cure an unknown sickness we now call the flu.  
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Male 6,243
insaneai lol so true, some scienceism 'scientists', like marsii here, do science a huge disservice with their intellectual dishonesty.
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Male 1,049
insaneai you can look up the laws of physics in a book and see the experiments and testable logic behind them. THEN you can TEST them yourself. Same with theories on origins though much less certain and testable.

People like me are why we stopped slitting btw. See the scientific debates, not church doctrines.
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Male 1,891
marsii You're deflecting.  It's embarrassing.
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Male 1,049
insaneai I'm sorry you are embarrassed but I don't have time to teach you physics. Sorry. Usually people pay for that. I suggest you start with something interesting like the double slit experiment or the origin of magnetism if you want something fun.
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Male 1,891
marsii You keep deflecting.  I feel embarrased for you.  You have evaded every question.  You know you cannot answer the question, I know it as well.  I know it because I do understand quite a bit of science and I purposely ask you questions that are awaiting answers.  I probably won't convince you of your failure because your ego won't allow it.  I accept the situation for what it is.  You have closed your mind to the unknown and lost your imagination.  It is people like you that hinder wonderful inventions like the alcubieri drive.  That's ok, now that we have evidence that space is in fact flexible, the creative thinkers will find a way to bend it and discover whether it is in fact "a stage" or if it is just another prop.
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Male 1,049
insaneai Deflecting what? I don't have an hour to teach you physics. I don't have an hour to get you up to date on m theory and all the evidence of the big bang. You hide your ignorance behind fake embarrassment. Grow up! Are you seriously going to tell me that there's a religious text out there that has all the answers science doesn't? It'll just be a big book of untestables. Seriously grow up! I deal with the unknown on a typical day and just because I'm not perpetually confused doesn't mean I have lost my imagination.
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Male 1,891
marsii You're too easy.  Now you are making up things and trying to make me defend commentary I never made.  You're jumping to conclusions and fighting what you think I said instead of dealing with what I actually said like a rationally thinking person.

Shall we continue?  I find you entertaining.

I made my point a long time ago.  Now I'm just toying with you so you can reveal your ignorance and hubris all on your own.

This is actually fun for me.
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Male 1,049
insaneai Ah, a teenager I'm guessing. Hopefully anyway, otherwise... Anyway, trying to converse with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what smart moves I make you'll just crap all over everything and strut around like you won anyway. Not sure what you think you've won. You're just evading the fact that science does try to address the origin of the universe. Were you confused by what I wrote? M theory is short for membrane theory. I'm assuming you've heard of the big bang? Not the show, by the way. There's also string theory but I'm not aware of any testables. So if you actually were interested in the origins of the world, those are places to start. But you're probably going to try and save face now I suppose. You should at least try to reply on topic if that's what you're going to do.
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Male 1,891
marsii I'm going to explain this to you, even though it will ruin the fun.  This stopped being an argument of science vs. religion a long time ago.

You've been played. Thanks for the fun.
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Male 1,049
insaneai So you quit defending religion. I was willing to keep discussing the merits of science. GG better luck next time.
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Male 1,891
marsii You are an amazing person! LOL
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Male 6,243
marsii Keep going on ridiculously, but it's apparent you have a lot to learn mr 'scientist'.  Don't let your 'tool glorification' blind you to facts, as many these days do (it's unscientific as you've added bias).
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior Dr. Scientist actually. Direct your commands to someone else. The tool of science produces results. Don't attack the tool just because it's a threat to your silly superstitions. You can ignore, repress, and forget science but it stays true. Religion? A fad left up to preference.

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Male 6,243
marsii Well if you read properly you would have seen I wasn't attacking science.  But interesting, because by your own reasoning, perhaps you shouldn't try attacking a tool just because it's a threat to your indoctrination?

Religion is a great tool that has taught humankind the ways of right and wrong, which has benefited us greatly from following the ways of right, and still provides guidance to people today.  The results are seen, repeated, and corroborated by millions through hundreds of generations.  Sure, there has been times religion was used by evil people for their own purposes, like how science is being used by evil people to say it's ok to pollute and do other questionable things today.  But the good things both tools provide far outweigh the bad.

Understand that your indoctrination that drives you to attack the tool of religion with assumption, bias, and fallacies, is not only ridiculous, but unscientific.  Both science and religion are unique tools for unique jobs to help improve the human condition.  Rejecting a specialized tool for one job, only to use another tool specialized for another job, is pretty stupid to do. I'm reminded of Einstein's quote: 

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"

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Male 1,049
monkwarrior Science is usually liberation from indoctrination. You'll realize that when you drop this trollish zealot business someday.  Religion is a preference. You do not choose your science. It is. You do, however choose a religion. Religion now is used as a tool to sway votes, scam money, or cover up child abuse. What a way to teach morality!
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Male 6,243
marsii Yeah, so you say, well maybe when you liberate yourself from your ridiculous indoctrination against religion, the same will likely happen for you.  Sorry to hear you're doing such a disservice to science with your indoctrination against religion, it's still unscientific.
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Male 1,049
monkwarrior I'm going to feel just fine not scamming people out of their money or covering up priest abuses, instigating murder, slavery, etc etc. Your moral highground looks pretty muddy from here....
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Male 6,243
marsii thanks for continuing to display your ridiculous indoctrination against religion.  Surprising how much of a disservice you are doing yourself and science with it.
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Male 10,144
monkwarrior It would be helpful if all people focused on the loving parts of their religions.
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Male 6,243
holygod especially so if non-faithful people also did as well.
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Male 10,144
monkwarrior We may disagree on whether or not the bible is true or god is real, however I think you'd be shocked to find that the way I actually live my life and the way I treat people is more in line with the teachings of Jesus than most Christians. I just don't do it because of the teachings of Jesus.
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Male 941
holygod I never find it shocking when non-Christians are living a living a life in accordance with Biblical teachings.  As a Christian, I believe that morality is written on our hearts, and that we all truly know what is right and wrong.  I also don't find it too shocking when Christians are NOT living according to it, as sometimes, the greater one's belief runs, the greater the struggle can become, and it's easy to fall away.
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Male 6,243
holygod I don't think you're in a position to be saying what most Christians do to gauge yourself against, though it wouldn't shock me at all you live like that. However it might might shock you that a lot of Christians do the same, because they know it's right, and others also because of His teachings..
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Male 344
monkwarrior Sadly also not human nature.
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Male 941
That's the most obnoxious thing I've heard in a long time.
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