Net Neutrality Explained And Why It Matters

Submitted by: fancylad 2 months ago in Tech


The best thing I've seen about Net Neutrality yet -- a must see if you use the internet a lot.
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Male 327
It's funny how when corporations are in control we should be afraid of their greed but when the government is in control we are supposed to be thankful for its altruism.
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Male 9,496
johncourage Government is not a for profit entity. Government routinely makes decisions that is against the financial interests of those making the choice, as it should be. If people in government are being driven by financial incentives they should be removed.

Donations are a different story because in our system you need donations to run for office to get elected to have the influence. The motivating factor there is influence, not money, and hopefully that comes from an altruistic place.

As far as I know, government employees don't get million dollar bonuses, stock options, or golden parachutes.

If you have a problem with money in politics, then I absolutely agree with you. However whenever issues come up in regards to super PACs, campaign finance reform, or limiting the influence of lobbyists it tends to be conservatives that mostly fight the reform. So, you may want to start there.
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Male 327
holygod People are mostly for profit entities and most of the people running for election are looking to get paid. Even people at the local levels want to change some law so they can get paid.
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Male 1,689
johncourage

There are massive amounts of greed and self-interest with both corporations and governments. Nowadays, it's actually hard to tell the difference since their interests are so intertwined under Republican rule.

Things are far more transparent with governments, which is why we can see their greed and altruism much more easily than we can with corporations.

I'm more suspect with corporations because with their lack of transparency, they can do far more damage without us knowing about it than governments can.
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Male 327
bliznik I think you meant to say Democrat rule since Democrats are the ones that reap massive donations for the corporate sector.
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Male 1,689
johncourage

That's fair, they're both in the pocket of corporations. I guess it depends on the industries.

Democrats get more donations from Law, Environmental, Non-Profit, Education, and Union corporations and from small donors who work for corporations.

Republicans get more donations from Oil/Gas and Insurance corporations and rich individuals who own many of the most profitable corporations.

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/industries.php
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Male 7,782
johncourage Corporations aren't beholden to people.  Government can and can't be.  Fortunately in the United States we have a representative democracy that sometimes fails to represent us but is way more likely to represent the average person.  We can vote people in and out, can't really do that with the ISP's/Corporations.  They exist to only make a profit.  That's it. The Government's job is to protect us from threats foreign and domestic.  This is a domestic threat.


How do you get by with no internet?  90% of this country doesn't have a damn choice in high speed providers.  The numbers  and facts prove it.  How do you "choose" to boycott them?  The ISP's have a complete monopoly.  Your options are to break them up and create a competitive market.  But then how do you decide who owns the fiber?  The easier solution is to let the Government set rules and everyone has to abide by those rules.  It works for our electricity, it works for our water, it works for our gas.
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Male 327
normalfreak2 That's a great speech but I'm just pointing out that companies can be altruistic and governments can be greedy.
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Male 7,782
johncourage Governments can be changed, at least western democracies can be changed,  you can't change a corporation the same way or as easily.  that's all I'm saying.  
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Male 327
normalfreak2 all I'm saying is that some corporations are good.
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Male 7,782
johncourage I don't trust ANY Corporation(s) that has a MONOPOLY to do the "right thing" over profit.  Sorry.
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Male 327
normalfreak2 I don't trust MOST politicians to do the "right thing" over profit.  Sorry.
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Male 7,782
johncourage Great neither do I!  Guess what you and i can both do to politicians that we can't at Corporations?  Vote them out.  Next
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Male 327
normalfreak2 Doesn't change my point that corporations can be good.
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Male 7,782
johncourage Sure it's the exception not the rule though.  The ONLY thing Corporations are is profit motivated.  That's the only guarantee you get from them.  Sorry I don't trust ANYONE to do what's in the best interests of the many if profit is the primary motivation.  Government's primary motivation is NOT profit that's the difference.
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Male 1,239
normalfreak2 Representative  Republic. We've never been a democracy.
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Male 4,357
scheckydamon Ugh. We're a representative democracy as opposed to a direct democracy. The reason the founding fathers typically referred to what they were creating as a republic is because few representative democracies existed in 1787. This meant that the word democracy typically referred to direct democracies, such as ancient Athens, only.

We no longer live in 1787. To say today that the United States isn't a democracy is nonsensical.

Sorry, but this is a pet-peeve of mine (as a few IAB'ers know all too well).
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Male 1,239
squrlz4ever I'll give you that one even though it will be on a semantics technicality. The government we have today is the same as the one in 1787, just more knuckleheads in D.C. I hope you aren't one of those " The constitution is a flexible and evolving document " types. If you are, you're not welcome at my bird feeders but the frying pan is very accommodating.
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Male 7,782
scheckydamon The Constitution is indeed an evolving document.  As it was meant to be.
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Male 9,496
scheckydamon The constitution is NOT a flexible and evolving document. That is why black people are still 3/5ths of a person, alcohol is illegal, and we have trial by jury for civil matters of $20. Don't let the 27 amendments confuse you. 
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Male 1,239
holygod The amendments are corrections. The last one in 1992. And look what it says.
The Twenty-seventh Amendment (Amendment XXVII) to the United States Constitution prohibits any law that increases or decreases the salary of members of Congress from taking effect until the start of the next set of terms of office for Representatives.
It was those scmucks in the Capital insuring they got their raises on time.
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Male 9,496
scheckydamon "Correction" not synonymous with "evolution". The thing changes. The interpretations change. The enforcement changes. I'm pretty surprised to hear anyone discuss the "flexible and evolving document" in a derogatory way since that is clearly how the founding fathers outwardly intended for it to be.
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Male 327
holygod Black people were never considered 3/5ths of a person and anyone that disagreed with the 3/5ths vote rule for slaves was pro slavery.
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Male 9,496
johncourage Yes, and yes. 
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Male 4,357
scheckydamon Well, you're raising some hugely complex issues, which if we embarked on, would require about two to three hours of discussion to cover. So I'll pass at the moment since I've got to run some errands.

I'm pleased to see that we're both agreeing the U.S. is a representative democracy, so let's quit while we're ahead.
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Male 7,782
scheckydamon Fair enough.  
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Male 4,357
normalfreak2 Arrrrgh! ~Squrlz shakes clenched paw at the heavens~
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Male 1,239
squrlz4ever Careful my furry friend. The pan is on the stove but the seeds are tastier. Carrot or stick?
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Male 7,782
squrlz4ever sorry I was trying to be amicable.  I didn't want to get caught on that detail, that wasn't the point of my comment.
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Male 4,357
normalfreak2 Understood, and I appreciate the explanation.
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Male 7,782
Net Neutrality is our defense against the Monopolistic powers that the ISP's currently have.
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Male 3,187
PREACH...PREACH!!!  Especially the portion about how ISPs (owned by cable companies\content providers) can fuck with sites like Hulu and Netflix, in turn forcing them to charge more to the customer, driving away their user base.

All in the name of "fair competition".

Fuck That!
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Male 120
GREED is the root of all evil on this plane(t)

Propaganda is the distraction from the infraction of your rights.

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Male 298
"GREED, for lack of a better word, is GOOD. Greed is RIGHT, greed WORKS. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms - greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind."

Are you anti evolution? Anti-competition? I'd argue greed for life, for survival, is the driving force of evolution. Greed is the reason for diverse lifeforms, including humans. 

I'm for Net-neutrality because it is in my self-interest. I'm greedy, in the sense that I don't want to pay more for my internet and have access to as much information as i can. Greed of the powerful corporations can be fought by the individual's voice to their political representatives.
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Male 716
moldysod Humans are the root of all evil on this plane(t).  Greed is simply one of the stronger tentacles that we have.

It could be claimed that humans are the root of all good on this plane(t) as well, but I'd point out that without humans the planet will function just fine, and in a far better condition that it does currently.  So, without humans, there is a better planet.  Looks simple enough for me - fewer humans, less evil.  Extend this to zero humans and the vast majority of the living biomass on this planet is better off.

However, from a personal position I'd rather not see zero humans on this planet.  And not necessarily fewer humans, either.

We need to recognize that we are 100% the source of the planet's ills.  No one else to blame. No other source of contamination.

We are are all together the evil on this planet.


Are you minimizing your personal evil doings?
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Male 4,357
moldysod Hi there, Moldysod! Looks like you are new in these parts. WELCOME to IAB!

I hope you have a great time here and make some new friends. There is an incredible range of talents on here--from software engineers, to doctors and nurses, to civil engineers, to scientists, to teachers, to retirees, to homemakers--and folks representing just about every spot on the political spectrum.

I look forward to seeing you in the threads. (I love your avatar, by the way!)

~Squrlz pulls out the IAB Welcome Wagon~  *squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak*

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Male 4,021
moldysod "Propaganda is the distraction from the infraction of your rights." Well said sir.
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Male 7,782
trimble Wait when did you become pro Net Neutrality?  Finally seeing the light?
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Male 4,357
normalfreak2 Good question. I would've thought a libertarian would be opposed to any government regulation of business, utilities or otherwise.
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Male 4,021
squrlz4ever I don't know what the Hell is wrong with you two lately. I simply gave the moldy one a nod for his quote "Propaganda is the distraction from the infraction of your rights." and you have me pro Net Neutrality. You will say others only see things the way they want yet it is you that do so regularly and don't even seem to know it. Even when making stuff up.
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Male 7,782
trimble I'm trying to gauge you.  For a Libertarian you definitely side with Conservatives 99% of the time.  I just question your stance of "libertarianism"
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Male 4,021
normalfreak2 Fair enough as I have often questioned your stance on liberalism and conservatism. 

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Male 4,357
trimble Calm down, calm down. My apologies, Trimble. I made an incorrect assumption and I apologize.

So I take it you are against Net Neutrality then?
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Male 4,021
squrlz4ever Calm down, calm down? You see?, more of the same. There was nothing not calm in my comment. You absolutely see things the way you want to, I'll stay out of a Net Neutrality discussion with you I think.
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Male 4,357
trimble Trimble, I don't get it. I'm being friendly in these comments. I apologized to you in my last comment. You, however, seem on edge and eager to get into some kind of argument. Thanks, but I'm not interested in arguing.
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Male 3,612
trimble "There was nothing not calm in my comment." dude, you sound like crazy person. "I don't know what the Hell is wrong with you two lately." you capitalized the h in hell, you may not be bouncing off the walls, but you do need to chill. case in point, you got butt hurt just because the squirrel told you to calm down. we may not know exactly what youre going through, but from what you have said, multiple people think you need to chill.
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Male 4,021
robthelurker Not at all rob, just pointing out the obvious. NF2 and squirly to a certain extent often do the same things they complain that others do.
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Male 4,021
Oh and I think capitalization of Hell is proper. I could see your point if I had wrote "HELLLLLL!!!!!!!" or something but not as written.

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Male 298
trimble What's your position on net neutrality? Do you have a complex, multifaceted view that you can enlighten us in, or is it a subject you haven't formed a strong opinion on? 

Let's not play the game where everyone guesses where you stand and you always say "no."

I'm interested in net neutrality, and this is more important to me than the latest episode in the Russia Collusion Drama. 
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Male 4,021
boredhuman No real strong opinion, it really doesn't affect me much. In general I am for less government regulation, not all of course. I hear you about the new Soap Opera getting old fast.
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