John Oliver Makes Some Good Points About The Paris Agreement

Submitted by: holygod 4 months ago in Entertainment Funny Science


I'd really like some outside opinions on this. Sometimes it's hard to see other people's perspective and I'm really struggling with it on this one. 

Anybody happy the US pulled out of the agreement? If so, why? Anything Oliver says here false or misleading?
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Male 2,694
Well then perhaps you whinging  EU types can lead the world by example for a fucking change...oh and wreck your own economies while you're at it.  It all means jack shit while India and China give the one finger salute to the process.  There is a mountain of evidence that the AGW scare is just that.  Overblown buy scientists on the doll  and politicians with agendas.  Until Al fucking Gore starts to live like me, I'll have a hard time believing his bull shit.  While Mr. hockey stick Mann continues to fudge evidence and consider himself a Nobel laureate because he received a prize awarded to him along with hundreds of others who published climate change papers...you believers are fools.  But it's to be understood as you've been indoctrinated all your lives.
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Male 9,766
dromed 

Yes I've been indoctrinated to trust scientists with degrees in their field of study and years of work experience studying an issue.

Apparently you've been indoctrinated that bloggers, Fox News pundits, and oil industry lobbyists are a more credible source on the subject.


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Male 4,943
dromed Dromed, do consider for a moment that perhaps you, yourself, have been indoctrinated. Or do you really think that only right-wing Americans are clear-eyed about this issue and that most of the industrialized world, the vast majority of climate scientists, and 75% of the American populace are deluded?

Also, just for fun, let me share with you a quote: "We urge you, our government, to strengthen and pass United States [global warming-related] legislation, and lead the world by example. We support your effort to ensure meaningful and effective measures to control climate change, an immediate challenge facing the United States and the world today. If we fail to act now, it is scientifically irrefutable that there will be catastrophic and irreversible consequences for humanity and our planet.”

That was from a full-page ad placed in the New York Times in 2009. Among those who signed it: Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump.
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Male 2,694
squrlz4ever Oh, I've challenged my beliefs many times.  I've done my due diligence of research and critical thinking.  I've also spent the last 40 years listening to one claim or another, predictions of gloom given specific time tables and none have come to pass.  Somebody just comes along, moves the goal post and says yet again, "the science is settled."  And please don't try to use Trump's own words here with me.  I didn't vote for the asshole and we all know he'll say anything at just about any time if it suits him.  I also have to iterate here.  I think wonderful clean energy solutions will present themselves in due course.  But healthy economies will bring them about much quicker than government intervention/solution *cough* Solyndra.    
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Male 9,766
dromed Amazing to me the way you guys dwell on Solyndra. It was a $500 million loan guarantee to a quality company that went bankrupt under circumstances outside of its control and the government recouped the loan. $500 million is nothing. It is 5 F35 planes we don't need. So weird to me where you guys find outrage.
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Male 4,943
dromed I'm chuckling at your response regarding Trump. Hey, I appreciate your answer and respect your views.

That said, one observation and one question.

Observation: Bear in mind that, with your answer, you really are saying that you think only right-wing Americans are clear-eyed about this issue and that most of the industrialized world, the vast majority of climate scientists, and 75% of the American populace are deluded.

Question: You say you've done your due diligence of research and critical thinking. Have you ever read a book by a climate scientist?
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Male 2,694
squrlz4ever Full books?  No.  Just poking around the net from site to site seeing what people have to say/think.  I don't claim to be a climate scientist (nor do I think you're trying to put me in that box).  I do claim to be a critical thinker, a logical thinker, a lover of learning (especially about science...Sagan and Asimov filled my childhood) and a student of the human condition.  I like to observe humanity.  And one thing humans really want is to feel special and on the correct side of things.  To belong.  What could be more important than the health and welfare of the planet?  The consequences of the issue boggle the mind.  We pollute too much = game over we're fucked.  That's the general thought.  How the heck could ANYBODY be against that?  And that's the crux of why so many believe without question.  It doesn't take courage to go along with the crowd here.  It takes courage not to.  Now I do think we've taken TONS of correct steps since my birth in 1967.  Kids today have no idea what it was like to sit in summer bumper to bumper traffic in 1975...big V8's on leaded gas...pee--youu.  Clamping down on what industry just dumps out in the near-by river.  I'm in Delaware.  Industry along the Delaware river did terrible things.  As they went away the state made allowing new ones to pop up almost impossible.  Coastal protection acts and such.  I like clean air and water as much as the next guy (squirrel?) Fact...CO2 makes up .04 percent of the atmosphere.  Water vapor is many orders of magnitude a much worse green house gas.  There have been much warmer and colder periods on Earth where the CO2 was waaaayyy higher than now and way higher than the doom a gloom threshold we're supposed to reach in what?...20 years.  And...another point.  As far as big governments tossing billions around as a solution I leave you this thought.  Gates, Jobs, Waz and their college buddies brought about the greatest tech revolution the world has ever known out of their garages with little more than brains, wire, spit and duct tape.  The solution is out there and it is more likely to come from folks like them.  Not big govt tossing its money and weight around.
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Male 9,766
dromed "Gates, Jobs, Waz and their college buddies brought about the greatest tech revolution the world has ever known out of their garages with little more than brains, wire, spit and duct tape."

Those guys did. However, they wouldn't have had the foundation from which to build without the government funded research that powered the computing advancements by the military and NASA among others.
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Male 1,743
Gates, Jobs, Waz and their college buddies brought about the greatest tech revolution the world has ever known out of their garages with little more than brains, wire, spit and duct tape.  The solution is out there and it is more likely to come from folks like them.  Not big govt tossing its money and weight around.

I think you're correct that tech revolutions are created by entrepreneurs than by big government, but it tends to be big government who forces companies to adopt those tech revolutions.

Take street lights and cameras for example. Private citizens created those, but the government creates safety standards that require street lights for major intersections and stop signs for minor intersections. If not for government, street lights would never be used.

Take low-emission vehicles for example. Private citizens created those, but the government (mainly California) creates the regulations that require vehicles to have low emissions, forcing the rest of the auto industry to follow suit if they want to sell their cars in California.

I think both work in cooperation with one another for pretty much everything the government does "for safety." The only real difference is that you don't need to be a climate scientist to fully understand that that street lights improve road safety and you don't need to be a climate scientist to fully understand that low-emission vehicles improve air quality. But you do need to be a climate scientist to fully understand most of the research papers out there on climate change, because the change is gradual, and a large majority of the change is happening in the oceans where we are not, not on land where we are.

There have been much warmer and colder periods on Earth where the CO2 was waaaayyy higher than now and way higher than the doom a gloom threshold we're supposed to reach in what?...20 years.

It's correct that there were periods of time in the past when CO2 was higher than now, but that was over a million years ago. The study that I found that stated that CO2 was higher than now, and temperatures are lower than they were now was 445 million years ago. Back then, the sun was younger and didn't pour out as much eat, and estimates that far back have a margin of error of 10 million years. So it's kind of hard to say if the CO2 levels and temperature levels measured are even in the same time period, or are comparable to how the sun would affect Earth today. It's interesting data, but all the data I was able to find wasn't really dependable. Have you found better data? If so, I'd love to read it.
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Male 339
Article 9 Section 1

Developed country Parties shall provide financial resources to assist developing country Parties with respect to both mitigation and adaptation in continuation of their existing obligations under the Convention. 

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Male 7,927
johncourage I hope you realize why it's in there.  We as a country have profitted for 200 years causing most of the damage  over that time.  In order for other countries to advance we are paying into their development so they don't have to burn fossil fuels.  It was the LOGICAL choice the PERSONAL responsibility CHOICE.  
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Male 260
It's more the symbolism; like bliznik says, the accord is non-binding and many of the US states have already indicated that they are going to keep on with Paris.

But from 1945 the US has been the de facto leader of the West, and after the Soviet collapse the rest of us pretty much accepted her as the world leader, even when we disagreed on particular issues.

But now with Trump's admiration of the hard men dictators around the globe, his hostility towards NATO and the EU and just general ignorance about how anything works, we are becoming aware that the old order is over. This America elected a Republican administration that goes along with Trump because it helps their own party agenda. The rest of us have no influence in what is an essentially US domestic crisis.

The times they are a'changing and that frightens people. Trump's rejection of Paris just reinforces that fear.
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Male 4,943
mikesex I couldn't agree more. Thanks for your international perspective, Mike.
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Male 9,766
Oliver's reaction to video clips of Trump is pretty comical. He just fucking CAN NOT believe his ears.
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Male 2
only can be viewed in the US
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Male 569
sparklebutt I've been using Epic Privacy Browser to view these coz it's easy.  I don't know that the security is any actual raving hell, but it uses a US proxy.  Just install it and paste in the video URL.  Presto, you're in the US.

Edit:  I said "security" browser.  It's "privacy" browser.  Fixed.
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Male 4,943
irk Irk, where are you based? I was always thinking you're a Yank.
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Male 569
squrlz4ever Nope, I'm a Canuckian like our feline friend :)
I'm in Toronto.
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Male 4,943
irk I'll be darned. Good to know. By the way, I've submitted a feature request to Fancy and Sunny for nationality flags (like those below, but much smaller) to be displayed under user avatars in the comment sections. I'm really hoping they add them in; it would help a lot.

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Male 569
squrlz4ever Yeah, that's a great suggestion.  I miss that from before.  It would really help, and I like the flag idea.

I wish they'd put the "views" count back, someday, too.  I always found that interesting.  There's so many more people reading this site than we realize.
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Male 4,943
irk I concur. I'd love to see those numbers again somewhere.
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Male 9,766
sparklebutt There are people who don't live in the U.S.?

Apologies chap. Just search youtube for John Oliver / Paris Agreement. You guys have internet out there in non-America right? Its the one from June 4.
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Male 7,927
Two words:  Campaign Promise.   
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Male 1,743
Pretty much every single part of the Paris agreement is non-binding. Countries set their own goals, countries police themselves, and countries impose their own penalties on themselves. The whole agreement is almost purely symbolic!

But Trump wanted to reject the symbol as a "liberal conspiracy to kill business." That's what pulling out of the Paris agreement means. Essentially he is rejecting the entire premise that humans should ever meet and talk about slowing down their carbon emissions--which is really the only thing the Paris agreement ever obligated its signatories to do.
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Male 552
bliznik I dunno, saying what we are going to do, then telling people whether or not we do it seems awfully hard.
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