Is Trump A BetterPresident Than Obama?

Submitted by: dm2754 5 months ago in News & Politics

A new study shows shows that citizens of France now feel that they enjoy more personal freedom than Americans.

Under Obama, U.S. personal freedom ranking slips below France.

Americans' assessments of their personal freedom have significantly declined under President Obama, according to a new study from the Legatum Institute in London, and the United States now ranks below 20 other countries on this measure.

The research shows that citizens of countries including France, Uruguay, and Costa Rica now feel that they enjoy more personal freedom than Americans.

As the Washington Examiner reported this morning, representatives of the Legatum Institute are in the U.S. this week to promote the sixth edition of their Prosperity Index. The index aims to measure aspects of prosperity that typical gross domestic product measurements don’t include, such as entrepreneurship and opportunity, education, and social capital.

The freedom scores are based on polling data from 2013 indicating citizens’ satisfaction with their nation's handling of civil liberties, freedom of choice, tolerance of ethnic minorities, and tolerance of immigrants. Polling data were provided by Gallup World Poll Service. The index is notable for the way it measures how free people feel, unlike other freedom indices that measure freedom by comparing government policies.

“This is not a good report for Obama,” Legatum Institute spokeswoman Cristina Odone told the Washington Examiner.

In the 2010 report (which relied on data gathered in 2009), the U.S. was ranked ninth in personal freedom, but that ranking has since fallen to 21st, with several countries, including France, Germany and the United Kingdom passing the U.S.

The nation’s overall personal freedom score has declined by 17 percent since 2009, with a 22 percent drop in combined civil liberty and free choice contributing to that decline.

Of the eight categories in the index, personal freedom was America's second lowest performance relative to other countries. The U.S. had its lowest ranking when it came to safety and security (a broad measure of how threatened citizens feel in instances such as walking late at night, or expressing their opinions) — ranking 31st out of 142 countries.

The cross-country comparisons in the index should be taken with a grain of salt. The perception of what freedom means in New Zealand, which has the highest personal freedom ranking, may vary from how Americans measure their own personal freedom. But regardless of how the U.S. compares to other countries, there is no denying that Americans felt less free in 2013 after four more years of Obama’s presidency. And so now he faces the embarrassment of being the president that made Americans feel less free than the French.

By Jason Russell for The Washington Examiner
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Male 3,410
well obama was a secret muslim and trump is an out in the open gaping hole of a dipshit CONSPIRACY
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Male 7,934
I feel this post makes me feel less free.  Oh, is that how this works?
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Male 4,099


The cross-country comparisons in the index should be taken with a grain of salt. The perception of what freedom means in New Zealand, which has the highest personal freedom ranking, may vary from how Americans measure their own personal freedom.


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Male 7,934
richanddead Nailed it
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Male 39,929
Like it matters what we think? Politicians don't represent us. They'll allow as much freedom as does not interfere with their goals.
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Male 1,346
A rotten grapefruit is a better president than Obama.
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Male 9,766
scheckydamon I know. I hate the way two wars ended and we were pulled out of the biggest recession in 80 years. Plus the way the housing market rebounded and the stock market surged. Plus the fact that there were no large scale terrorist attacks in 8 years. WISH we would have had a rotten grapefruit.
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Male 1,871
holygod 
You seem to be ignorant of the source of the housing crash and its cause.  Start with the Community Reinvestment Act from Jimmy Carter then follow it through the rest of the administrations, they all added to it.  Basically the government told banks they have to lend to people that can't afford to take the loan but granted them anyway because the government guaranteed the loans.  Then when it went belly up, the government crucified the bankers (in the media, but not so much in court) because they did what they were told to do and it backfired.

As for ending two wars, can you tell me which ones?  From where I stand, it just looks like we re-named what we were doing to make it look like we ended two wars.  Last time I checked, we still have soldiers fighting in the middle east where these wars were supposed to have ended.  It's kind of like saying the Vietnam war wasn't really a war, it's just a police action.  I don't buy it.

As for the post of whether Obama or Trump is better, I'll reserve judgement for a while longer but I voted for Gary Johnson so don't count on me to be a Trumpeter.  So far it seems like a lot of wind and not much sail.

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Male 9,766
insaneai Well, by your definition wars never END I suppose. We still have troops in germany and japan, so I guess World War 2 is still going. There is a big difference between 160,000 troops and 3,800 troops no? If you're not comfortable with "ended" then scaled back dramatically. How's that?
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Male 1,871
holygod Are they actively fighting like the ones in the middle east?
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Male 9,766
insaneai Where did I once talk about the source of the housing crash? However while I don't disagree with you on some of those points you're leaving out the breakdown of the barrier between investment banking and standard banking. Allowing people to gamble, short, pass around, group and regroup loans is what led to the full crash. It wasn't just the foreclosures it was the chain reaction the foreclosures set off.

I don't blame the bush administration. However, I think there could have been more done to stop the crash. For one they should have triggered emergency and temporary legislation to stop people from intentionally foreclosing on their houses and buying a new house before the foreclosure hit their credit report. 
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Male 1,871
holygod You add good points to consider on this.  As for the Bush Administration, I hold them equally responsible because they played their part.
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Male 4,152
holygod You always say he ended two wars, makes you sound partisan and dumb all at once.
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Male 9,766
trimble 

Iraq
December 2008: 160,000+ Deployed
Current: 3,800 Deployed

Afghanistan
December 2008: 38,000+ Deployed
Current: 5,500 Deployed

I'm not saying he personally ended the wars, but they were raging strong when he took office. Now they aren't. What's the disagreement?
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Male 1,682
holygod  Plus the rise of ISSI, the slowest recovery of any recession with an average gain of less than 1.5% per year, housing is still slow but it is getting better because people are finely getting the money to buy them. The stock market surged when he left office and Trump took over. Did not have anything to do with his policies but that business feels that things will get better under a president that will cut taxes and help small business which make up the large part of American employers. Unlike when Obama was first elected when business back off because of stifling tax and a health care law that drove up there costs. With the EPA's overwhelming regulation, all though that has been building for years.
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Male 3,410
casaledana hannity teat
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Male 9,766
casaledana ISIS rose because we removed the guy that was keeping religious extremism at bay, took out the military, police, and infrastructure, and then left a power vacuum. That's Obama's fault?

When Obama took office:
Dow: 7,949
NASDAQ: 1,520

When Trump took office:
Dow: 19,732
NASDAQ: 5,540

Today:
Dow: 20,954
NASDAQ: 6,116

Has it gone up since Trump took office? Yep. But come on. Over Obama's 8 years the Dow went up 148% and NASDAQ went up 264%. Don't try to diminish that. It is huge growth.
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Male 1,871
holygod "ISIS rose because we removed the guy that was keeping religious extremism at bay, took out the military, police, and infrastructure, and then left a power vacuum. That's Obama's fault?"  - no, it's not Obama's fault.  

The real blame goes back much further (then continues on with bad policies being retained), actually to a point before I was a dirty thought in my dad's head when we put Saddam in power followed by hiring Bin Laden to build training camps to push the Russians out of Afghanistan.  I knew the first time I heard that we couldn't find the "terrorist training camps" we were being fed a line of BS because we paid to build them when they were known as training camps for afghani patriots being oppressed by the mean old ruskies.
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Male 7,934
insaneai Yup.  Using the Taliban to do our dirty work in Afghanistan has had long lasting impacts on the Middle east.
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Male 3,212
scheckydamon 
Well, we'll have 4 years of turned fruit for you to change your mind. Supposing you have one.
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Male 6,153
Trump just recently signed an executive order enacting the Religious Freedom act that allows Stores, businesses, Churches etc to discriminate against different religions, sexes and sexual orientation
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Male 1,798
thezigrat There was no "order" needed for this. The constitution calls for a "separation of CHURCH and STATE". Most people seem to misunderstand what this actually means. This means that the government should not, cannot, and will not force a particular religion upon its citizens. This is, to an extent, at odds with the founding principals of the constitution, which was partially based upon Christian ideals. That aside, the fact remains that a business or church has every legal right to refuse to serve or provide services to any person or group that it chooses, and the government cannot legally force them to do so. This so-called "order" is as useless as the tits on a boar-hog, as it allows a business to do what they were already able to legally do!
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Male 9,766
whosaidwhat The constitution calls for a "separation of church and state"? Really? Where is that phrase in the constitution?
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Male 1,798
holygod No, that exact phrase is not used, but the concept is discussed in Article I of the Constitutional Amendments. 
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Male 6,153
whosaidwhat Does that involve employment? According to the act it does but that violates the equal employment laws that prohibit employers to discriminate because of religion, sex and ethnicity
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Male 1,798
thezigrat I believe that I clearly said, "right to refuse to serve or provide services to". That would indicate customers, not employees. You didn't state clearly which one was covered (employment or service). For employment, yes, that is illegal; not so for service.
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Male 7,934
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normalfreak2 That article does not say that the Constitution was not based on Christian ideals. It says that the US is not a "Christian nation", and I agree with that. I never said that it was a Christian nation, simply that the Constitution (and other government papers) was based on Christian ideals. Check our early laws, and you'll find that they pretty closely mirror the Christian "Ten Commandments". While your link does make a very good point, it does not negate my statement.
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Male 9,766
Yes how free do you "feel" since of COURSE the muslim socialist will be taking your guns and implementing sharia law any day now.....
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Male 361
holygod Would an actual muslim socialist be better or worse than Trump? That's the question. 
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Male 9,766
mrsnowmeiser That is how the right operates. How do people "feel" things are. Not how they actually are. People "feel" like illegal immigrants are flooding our country with crime and stealing jobs. They "feel" like we aren't safe. They "feel" like the economy is going badly. Facts don't matter when you can "feel". That is how this raging cum stain of human embarrassment became president. People "FELT" like he could solve all their problems.
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Male 6,077
holygod "this raging cum stain of human embarrassment"
That's a good one!
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Male 361
holygod Agreed. What is going to determine the election in 2020 (assuming Trump is still POTUS) is these people 'feeling' if he actually represented them or not. He has a small but loyal base. If even a relatively small portion of them jump ship, goodbye Trump. 
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Male 553
A three year old article about 4 year old data is relevant to President Trump how?
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Male 1,365
*Grabs popcorn for upcoming shit show*
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Male 6,153
doiknowyou I'll get the peanuts ( I know where squrlz has his stash)
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Male 1,365
thezigrat To the radio tower!
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Male 4,945
thezigrat Hey! Not fair! Keep your cotton-pickin' tentacles off my peanuts!
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Male 6,153
squrlz4ever Ok I won't touch your nuts
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Male 6,153
thezigrat But we will smoke your stash
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