Chechnya Detains 100 Gay Men In The First Concentration Camps Since The Holocaust

Submitted by: fancylad 2 months ago in News & Politics

I'm going to be honest -- this sounds about right for Russia. It's being reported by The Washington Post that over 100 gay men have been put in concentration camp-like prisons in Chechnya -- a region in Russia. The arrests are reportedly being made as part of a "homosexual purge" in the region. The first reports of this came in from "Novaya Gazeta," an independent Russian newspaper. 

The press secretary for Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, says the reports are lies and stated that there are no gay people in Chechnya.

"If there were such people in Chechnya, law-enforcement agencies wouldn't need to have anything to do with them because their relatives would send them somewhere from which there is no returning," he said.

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Male 38,418
This is what modern Islam looks like. 
This is not an arbitration, it is normal. It happens world-wide every day in nations dominated by Muslims. Not to this extent perhaps, but arresting and jailing or even killing homosexuals is normal.
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Male 7,052
5cats What in the world do Muslims have to do with this story?
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Male 38,418
normalfreak2 It's a Muslim dominated area following Muslim laws which dozens of other Muslim nations enforce. Duh?
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Male 3,524
normalfreak2 Maybe you should visit Chechnya or at least learn more about what fancy calls "a region in Russia".
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Male 7,052
trimble I realize the area has a lot of Muslims in that area but again did I missing something in this video/article?  
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Male 38,418
normalfreak2 Why aren't you applying you 'logic' about terrorism here? 
"It's no big deal, the odds it will happen to you are a million to 1!" or some such bullshit.
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Male 7,052
5cats Last I checked the leader of the county isn't a Muslim and he's even stating and holding anti gay points of view.  Again, what does  Muslim have to do with this story?  I'm reading this as the Government and Law enforcement (which may or may not have some Muslim influences) are performing state sanctioned executions of gay people.  This is an incredibly slippery slope when you can simply be accused of something and be put to death.  
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Male 38,418
normalfreak2 Your ignorance is staggering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#Regional_government

Learn somethg before spewing shit like you nearly always do, ffs.

This 'situation' is already in place in many Muslim nations, minus a specific camp, they just get thrown in prison for years along with actual, violent criminals. THAT is what.

AND you ignore what I said, shameless!
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Male 7,052
5cats 

Chechnya isn't a Muslim ran nation.  At least not officially There are separatists that run parts of it and not others.  From this story it doesn't mention if this is happening under one or the other.  Based on the Leader of the country I don't think it really matters.  He seems to support it.
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Male 38,418
normalfreak2 Muslim dominated, had a legitimate Islamic government that was overthrown by assassination and a pro-Russian puppet dictator imposed.

And you continue to ignore my simple question, so fuck off.
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Male 249
"The First Concentration Camps Since The Holocaust".
Well, they are not really concentration camps, more "detention facilities". And since the holocaust, unfortunately, there have been multiple cases of concentration camps:
  • 70s-80s: South America Dictatorships (Argentina, Chile)
  • 90s: Yugoslavian Wars (Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia)
  • 60s+: Communist Regimes (Cambodia, China, Cuba, North Korea, USSR)
  • 50s+: Immigrants Camps (Australia, Denmark
  • 50s+: Decolonization Camps (France, Algeria, Kenya, Malaya)
etc etc


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Male 38,418
m3dm3d True that. Don't forget the camps run by France and America after WW2 ended. Nevermind the ones in Russia...
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Male 12
Ramzan Kadirov is one sick fuckface. Hope he gets fucked by an elephant.
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Male 2,265
I'm starting to think Putin is seriously in the closet and highly repressed...
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Male 3,524
Religion of love.
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Male 2,986
Good grief. I think a lot of the Russian apologists out there--and there are a lot of them, including our own president who seems to think we're Russia's moral equivalent ("You think our country's so innocent?")--need to wake up and recognize that there is a streak of ugly THUG in Russian society about a mile wide.
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Male 3,524
squrlz4ever I hope you understand the US government actually has done a lot of nasty crap over the years. They get away with it because they have most of the voters squared off against each other with very clever manipulation.
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Male 2,986
trimble Certainly the United States has its dark chapters. But are you suggesting that there's no difference, or little difference, between the conduct of the United States and that of Russia and the Soviet Union? Joseph Stalin killed about 20 million of his own citizens, largely by forced relocation and starvation, in case you're forgetting. And the Russians, to this day, have a habit of snuffing out anyone who criticizes their leaders openly.

I'm really stunned at how American conservatives seem to have gone from calling the Soviet Union "the evil Empire" to the current state of affairs, where they can't seem to get enough of kissing the ass of the former head of the KGB.
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Male 3,524
squrlz4ever I think most of what you are stunned by is pretty much made up BS over the election butthurt. (I still believe, given the timing of when the e-mails were released, whoever released them were trying to help Bernie - that is who Clinton was running against at the time). I know a lot of American conservatives that have the same opinion of Russia (USSR has been gone for a while now) as they always have.
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trimble You never answered my question. So I'll repeat it: Are you suggesting that there's no difference, or little difference, between the conduct of the United States and that of Russia and the former Soviet Union?

In terms of what I've been stunned by, no, it has nothing to do with the election. First, I'm reacting to comments by Fox News hosts, who spent years during the Obama admininstration gushing over how Putin, the former head of the KGB no less, was "a real leader."

Second, I'm reacting to the tweets and statements of Donald Trump, who has gone out of his way in recent years to praise Putin. Here are a few of his remarks:

  • June 2013: "Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?"
  • April 2014: "America is at a great disadvantage. Putin is ex-KGB, Obama is a community organizer. Unfair."
  • July 2015, in an interview with reporters: "I'd get along very well [with Vladimir Putin]. I just think so. People say, 'What do you mean?' I think I would get along well with him."
  • Oct. 2015: Despite overwhelming evidence that the Russians shot down a Malaysian Airlines jet over Ukraine in the summer of 2014, Trump defends Putin and the Russians: "They say it wasn't them. It may have been their weapon, but they didn't use it, they didn't fire it, they even said the other side fired it to blame them. I mean to be honest with you, you'll probably never know for sure."
  • Dec. 2015: On the show Morning Joe, Trump defends Putin against charges that he's been murdering his political opponents: "He's running his country, and at least he's a leader. Unlike what we have in this country." And then, incredibly, Trump offered up what seemed some moral equivalency: "I think our country does plenty of killing, also, Joe."
  • Sept. 2016: At a national security forum hosted by Matt Lauer, Trump says the Russian president "has been a leader far more than our president has been."
  • Dec. 2016: "Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"

I could go on with at least a dozen more tweets and statements, but I think you get the idea.

Third, I'm reacting to statements like your own, made earlier in this thread. You seem to be a major voice for American conservatism on here. And you seemed awfully quick to step in and defend Russia, using that famous technique of Soviet propaganda--whataboutism. In response to my comment that there is a major thug component in Russian society, you replied (I'm paraphrasing, of course) "But what about the nasty crap the U.S. government has done?"

So again, we're back to my original question, which you haven't answered: Are you suggesting that there's no difference, or little difference, between the conduct of the United States and that of Russia and the former Soviet Union?
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Male 7,052
squrlz4ever America and Russia have a few things in common, both want to exert their "empire" over the rest of the world.  America does it by saying "Democracy good" "Socialism/Communism bad".  America has done wrong no doubt about it but we generally hold ourselves accountable.  There are times where we don't, The Iraq War, Nixon basically prolonging the War to fit his agenda, Slavery.  America isn't perfect but one thing it doesn't allow for and condone is the murdering of people who think differently than you.  We are for the most part a nation of laws.  As with all things there are exceptions to that.  In Russia, if you oppose Putin, you are on the list to be poisoned, shot in front of the Kremlin, given a radioactive toxin, etc.  Russia plays by one rule, Strength through force by any means necessary.  That shit doesn't fly here the same way.  Sure there are elements of that but it is for sure tempered here in America.
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Male 3,524
squrlz4ever Paraphrasing for sure because it was not meant as a "but what about", you provided that. I don't trust either government. I'm guessing I seem to be a major voice for American conservatism on here to you because I'm not a major voice for American liberalism on here? Because there are many, many things about me that would get me kicked out of both of those cliques in a heartbeat.
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Male 7,052
trimble When you post something or comment in a way that would get you kicked out of the American Conservative side I'll let you know.  To my knowledge you have 3000 posts and not one of them would put you at odds with the American Conservatism.
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Male 98
squrlz4ever I continue to applaud your acumen in debate ; bravo, you fine-furred truth-seeker. Bravo. It's quite encouraging to see and inspires me to hold myself to higher standards. *Many mixed nuts given in appreciation*
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Male 2,986
AgamemnonTheGreat Thanks. A squirrel can never have too many nuts. ~noms greedily for several moments~

I do appreciate the nod. I think discussion and debate on here are a great mental exercise. I don't always do it well; the other day, for whatever reason, I was all full of piss-and-vinegar and ended up issuing two apologies.

The goal, of course, is to be honest, calm, and respectful--while also sharply pursuing the truth. I feel fortunate that there are a number of IABers who are willing to engage with me on those terms, and I've learned a lot in the course of it all.

By the way, I'm glad you've decided to stick around IAB.  :)
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Male 7,052
squrlz4ever too busy trying to pretend he's impartial or down the middle, can't answer substantive questions that force him to take a position opposite of a "Conservative/Republican"
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Male 3,524
normalfreak2 Hi bubble boy, how ya doin'?
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Male 7,052
Hey I'm aware of the bubble I live in.  I do my best to think outside of it.
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Male 3,524
normalfreak2 I know you do.
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Male 38,780
It's wonderful humans have progressed so far . . . smh
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Male 448
Gerry1of1 In a world full of hate, where fear and ignorance run rampant, we imprison folks for the crime of loving another consenting human being.

I've never understood the fear that causes homophobia.

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Male 38,780
punko The easiest way to control people is give them a focus for their fear and hatred. Hitler knew this when he targeted the jews. Churches know this when they say gays cannot be saved as is. It makes the followers feel superior, stronger.
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Male 5,270
Gerry1of1 Fear and hatred should be directed where it is deserved... Teletubbies (and space gophers according to my little non food buddy squrlz4ever)
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Male 448
Gerry1of1 But what are they afraid of?  I understand the use of a focus for hate & fear, but where does the fear come from?

I can understand the fear of a stranger as a physical risk to yourself, or the fear of the unknown (kind of the same thing), but fear of someone with different preferences than you?

I mean, I get completely behind the folks that can't stand spiders or or the Toronto Maple Leafs, but at least that comes from a quasi-rational place.

The fear of someone who prays to a different god?  Fear of folks that cheer for a different team?  Fear of those that like women, but are women?  Fear of differences?

WHY THE FEAR?

And to anyone who doesn't think their hatred of different races, or religions, or orientation doesn't come from fear - it does.
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