Is There A Possibility That Earth Flat?

Submitted by: fancylad 8 months ago in Science


Let this be the last time this question is ever entertained again.
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Male 27
monkwarrior this pretty much answers your question about objects disapearing behind the horizon:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=earth+not+flat+horizon+video&view=detail&mid=BBEC1C5916598B3C2FCCBBEC1C5916598B3C2FCC&FORM=VIRE

If you don't want to watch it all then just watch from 12mins to the end
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Male 2,675
Air and sea travel routes are even based around the fact the earth is round. Nobody has discovered an 'edge of the earth'.

To dismiss all evidence, you'd also have to believe in a global conspiracy, so vast as to include nations that have poor relations, and competing private corporations.

..Suddenly I feel like making cookies - Think I'll roll the dough in my hands into little balls.
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Male 31

Is There A Possibility That Earth Flat? 


Yea, but it's very very small, the only thing we do truly know is "I think therefore I am."
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Male 1,891
Oh come on people, this is well documented.

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Male 8,691
insaneai All hail the Great A'Tuin.
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Male 4,253
If you ask me, yer all nutz.
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Male 5,201
220 miles above our planet NASA has a 24/7 camera on the space station where you can see the curvature of the earth and watch the continents pass by and reappear again at the bottom of the screen. Commercial airline pilots can see the curvature of the earth if they are around 40,000 feet. It can only slightly be seen from that low but with the wide viewing range that the cockpit offers it can be seen. From the Borrego Springs desert I've watch with my naked eye the space shuttle pass by then shortly after, the space station drifted across the sky, it's solar panels lit up from the last remnants of the evening sun. I've sat on a river bank across from Cape Canaveral and watched a rocket carrying a satelite pierce our atmosphere. I've felt the wind from that rocket's blast hit my face. 538 humans have been in space. 538 people and the thousands upon thousands of people that got them there could not have keep the secret of a flat earth this long. It is illogical in this day and age to believe in a flat earth. 
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Male 6,196
markust123 I'll believe it when i go to space and see it with my own eyes.  
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Male 3,587
monkwarrior even then you would find something to fit into your mold of truth, like the numbered cat. faced with fact you scream loud that its wrong  or subjective. so why bother trying to learn anything if you dead set on being dead set
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Male 6,196
rumham of course, because trolls like yourself who attack others ridiculously are always right, aren't they? lol you poor desperate sod
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Male 3,587
monkwarrior keyword alert.. oh no a troll.. someone who makes you sad. dudes its an internet site. get over yourself
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Male 6,196
rumham gotcha!
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Male 6,192
monkwarrior been there done that nothing special
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Male 5,201
I just watch the sunset from the space station camera. It was pretty awesome.
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Male 1,752
markust123   Anything on electronic feed can be faked. A pictured is not proof of any thing at this time is history.
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Male 6,196
markust123 Anything from NASA has to be taken with a grain of salt, they've been found to lie, and like the boy who cried wolf, no one can believe a lair, even when they tell the truth.
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Male 6,196
hello
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Male 1,752
Of course the earth is flat I put a marble on the floor and it didn't rool
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Male 3,587
casaledana the devil created gravity to test the righteous. dinosaur bones too
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Male 8,691
casaledana Best scientific explanation I've heard yet.
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Male 1,752
megrendel  Thank you I spent seconds coming to this conclusion.
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Male 5,195
casaledana LOL! That was really good, Dana.
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Male 6,196
I've actually done some research into this.  I've found enough to lead me to take the position of "At this point in time, i don't know".  I've actually taken my indoctrination from school, that taught me we live on the globe, and put it into the 'in question' box in my mind, because quite simply i don't have the tools or time to prove it independently.

A great deal of interesting questions have been put forth by those claiming a flat earth in the recent years, not to mention some very interesting examples of where the curvature of the earth should hide something in the distance but the landmarks are towering over the horizon.

I personally think those who claim the earth is a globe have a lot of explaining to do, and i have looked for clear explanations as to why the curvature of the earth is not hiding something when it should, but have found nothing of value.  What i do see, however, is people relying on fallacies to mock and ridicule those who claim the earth if flat, while simply appealing to authority.

There's a lot of information out there, but this video isn't it, as he's not answering the real questions brought up.  I would recommend people search what those who claim the earth is flat are saying, unbiased, as there's some fascinating questions and points of view that may open your worldview, or reasoning, to new levels.  As for me though, i remain undecided.

Perhaps we should get a moon base so everyone can visit and see with their own eyes.
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Female 448
monkwarrior Everything you've been told is evidence that the earth is flat is incorrect. It's based on a misunderstanding of the science and, partly, on the lies of people who want to get lots of views on their YouTube videos. If you post what's confusing you I'll be happy to give you the real explanation.

There is literally zero chance that the earth is flat. Zero.
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Male 6,196
DrCribbens see the video i posted to mrteatime.  But how you chose to come out the gate, asserting others misunderstanding of science while your understanding of it isn't, was not a good step at all.  Because what you did raises a warning flag to me, telling you might likely assume and assert to make your position work for you (aka waste of time).

I used to think the same thing you just asserted from what i was indoctrinated with about the globe earth in school. Since then I have seen enough to make me question the globe earth, and even the flat earth claims.  Two of the most interesting questions people claiming a flat earth has been:

  1.  why is the curvature of the earth, that NASA supposedly uses, not actually working out to be the way it is claimed, with things towering above the horizon when it should have fallen behind it due to curvature?  
  2. why is the horizon flat and not curving off to the left and right when i look straight out to the ocean?  Even using a scale model of a globe earth in any 3D modeling software, and putting a camera at about eye level you can see it falls off.  (you can actually test this with blender.org and see that what a scale globe earth's horizon looks like does not match what you see on the horizon in real life)
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Male 5,201
monkwarrior "Why is the horizon flat and not curving off to the left and right when i look straight out to the ocean?"

This is 9th grade physics. The earth is too large to see the curvature from ground level with line of sight. You can't even see it from the top of Mt. Everest. You have to go higher than 35,000' feet to begin to see the curvature. And you can easily do that yourself. Go to the airport and request a ticket to the edge of the earth. After the ticket agents stop laughing at you, purchase a standard ticket to somewhere that the plane cruises at a high altitude. Once you have reach cruising altitude and you are in a flat area where there are little to no clouds, take a few horizontal pictures. Download those to your computer and huh, the pictures look flat. But they are not. Draw a straight line at the top of the horizon and you will see the sides of the earth are clearly moving away from the line.
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Male 6,196
markust123, as i said i remain undecided, and reserve my position until when i can see it.  Based on a world where there is so much confusion and corruption and lies and deception, it makes sense to be weary of it and see the proof and be true to what we believe and experience and understand for ourselves before we make a decision.  But ts not cheap to fly to 70,000-130,000 ft, and I've never seen the earth from space other than what I've been told and shown it looks like.

I know what each side has presented, and i just spectate the questions and see some good questions from both i feel both have questions to answer and i look around from time to time if they have answers, because it can be a pretty good philosophical debate sometimes.  But ultimately, we cant fly to 130kft anytime we want to, and that's what it will likely take to convince those who ask the questions. so im just saying when i see it i will believe it, i have no investment in one way or the other, and it's not a real important issue for me right now, just an interesting topic until i do find out for certain.

Maybe if i win the lottery i will rent a pilot to and fly past 130kft and see, and be decided. So u see it's not ignorance but fact based understanding in a world of corruption, and it's a pretty good way to accommodate everyone.
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Male 5,201
monkwarrior Yes, it is healthy to be skeptical but giving the Flat Earth Society any credibility is way beyond that. If this idea was remotely true there would be pictures and videos of the edge. There would be records: First to reach the beginning of the edge. First to go beyond the edge. First to be under the earth, etc. Where are the explorers, the heroes, the movies? Where are the pictures from space? Then there's the fact that you can look through a telescope and see that every single planet is round. The lunar eclipse comes across the moon round. The laws of physics would not allow for a flat planet to form. It is impossible. And if in some magical way it did form flat, the atmosphere would not stay put. The tides and weather would not work the way they do with a flat earth. You can see the Earth in all its roundness from pictures taken from our deep space explorers as they leave to study other (round) planets. You can track the exact day, time and location they took the picture and compare it to where in the rotation the earth would have been and it will match the picture. I always let it slide that you were a 9/11 truther. Everyone has their own way of coping with a huge tragedy but when you started talking flat earth, I'm sorry, you completely lost all credibility with me.
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Male 6,196
markust123 ah i see you're making some assumptions of what i think.  I've seen enough to question a few things, but as i said i'm simply saying based on questions i don't know for sure, and i have heard valid reason to question globe (and flat), and find it interesting and made me realize i need to see it myself to be sure regardless of what anyone else things.  Maybe some company can open up a 'Flights to 130+kft - $100 a pop!" business to end it all.  Or even better.. we start a moon colony!  Who know? maybe this flat earth movement is a push to get us into space ("just get there and shut them up!"?  You did say only  538 humans have been in space, maybe more need to see it now in person?  It's really the simplest way to end all the questions, if you ask me.
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Male 5,201
monkwarrior I have to give you props for staying cool in the face of a strong pushback.
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Male 6,196
markust123 eh.. it's not a big deal really, but i'd like to see the earth from space with my own eyes before i make my call. 
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Male 6,192
monkwarrior The central gravity vs the micro gravitates of the terrain would not allow the moon to sustain a stable orbit around a side to side orbit if the Earth was flat. In an Equatorial orbit (An Orbit around the edge) the Moon would  never rise above the horizon.
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Male 6,196
thezigrat interesting, but i am not claiming the earth is flat, so maybe you should tell someone who does?
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Male 72
monkwarrior take a course in Astronomy. You'll find out why planets are spherical in shape. It has a lot to do with the laws of physics. Just look up planet formation.
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Male 3,587
wolfstar360 astronomy is the dark art of the devil and soon jesus loving lord prayer saying trumpy will make science illegal
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Male 6,196
wolfstar360 Then perhaps you can answer why things that the curvature of the earth should hide isn't hiding them?
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Male 583
monkwarrior Can you provide an example of those objects that aren't being hidden by the curvature of the earth as they should be?
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Male 6,196
mrteatime Here is just one such example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4oT2EbDONs .  You can find many more by searching for flat earth curvature test. 
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Male 583
monkwarrior A personal question, do you believe in god?
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Male 6,192
mrteatime I believe in The Immortal, We have no religion
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Male 6,196
mrteatime what i believe is irrelevant to this example.
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Male 583
monkwarrior I ask because this is a discussion about faith rather than scientific fact. In day to day life every decision and belief requires a small amount of faith. 

Take atoms for example, I can't claim that atoms exist, I have no first hand proof and have never seen an atom in the flesh as it were. However I do have access to a catalog of evidence but I have to have faith in that evidence to take the viewpoint that matter is indeed made up of atoms. 

I support the spherical earth viewpoint, to me the evidence is overwhelming but I haven't actually gone up into orbit and observed earth to be spherical so from my personal experience I can only say that I'm 99.9999999% sure that the earth isn't flat. 

So I can see your viewpoint, you cannot claim that the earth isn't flat, not 100%. The problem of course is that you would have to question every aspect of the world around you too if you want to be fair and balanced.
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Male 6,192
mrteatime You can see the paths they make in a simple easy to create home made cloud chamber. You can also see Larger heavier atoms in electron microscopes there fore proving their existence
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Male 583
thezigrat Aye, I've seen video footage of a chamber in action and a while ago there were images doing the rounds which showed individual atoms arranged into logos and such, IBM I think were involved. Nuclear physics is a fascinating thing. 
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Male 6,196
mrteatime i think you didn't gauge my viewpoint right, because i make no claim for a flat earth, only that the questions raised are quite intriguing and have lead me to question.  Also why would you assume i haven't questioned every aspect of the world around me to be fair and balanced?
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Male 583
monkwarrior I'm not assuming that you don't question the world around you and although you don't make any claims about a flat earth you do have doubts as evidenced in your original post. 

My point is that a certain amount of faith is required to understand the world around us as it would be practically impossible to personally verify every scientific fact or theory.

So back to my point about this discussion being about faith, I haven't carried out any experiments regarding the earth's curvature because I have faith in the scientific evidence gathered by others. Similarly you have a certain amount of faith in the evidence presented by those supporting a flat earth theory and doubts about the spherical earth theory.  
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Male 6,196
mrteatime again, i think you misunderstand my position.
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Male 583
monkwarrior Fair enough, we'll leave it at that.
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Male 6,192
 monkwarrior you can prove the curvature of the Earth yourself with a simple home built model rocket(C class) and an Estes Rocket motion camera (Last time I checked they ran about 50 dollars)
They tend to fly high enough to actually see how the earth is curved and the camera records the flight from launch to recovery.
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Male 6,196
thezigrat again i don't have the time nor the money to do that right now, and personally i'd prefer to see something with my own eyes.

Come to think of it, with all the space missions we've done, i'm a bit surprised there's not one single non-edited, non-cut, non-fish-eye video that goes right from the launch pad blast-off, all the way to space to the point where the earth is a tiny little ball hanging there in the blackness of space.  With the technology we have today, and the 'missions to mars', that video should theoretically exist.  perhaps you can find it?
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Male 6,192
monkwarrior actually neither do I. As to video I found a great one set to Bowie's Major Tom video taken from one of the Shuttles boosters I lost it but I will see if I can find it again
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Male 3,587
thezigrat more devil worship magic talk
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Male 6,192
rumham Anton Selazar Levay would agree if he were still alive
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Male 3,587
thezigrat its a total bummer hes dead.. CHEAH
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Male 602
monkwarrior You're not being critical or unbiased, you're just being an idiot. Few years yet, I promise, you'll actually be able to tell the difference.
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Male 6,196
thething911 Thanks for proving my point by being fallicous.
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Male 602
monkwarrior fallicous isn't a word, you meant fallacious. A word that still wouldn't have worked, because you don't know how to use it. Simple google search would've stopped you looking like an idiot. You've just outed yourself as being very, very young. Save yourself the shame later in life. Stop posting. 
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Male 6,196
thething911 actually you're showing your continued fallaciousness by losing it over a typo, and then attempting to further your ad-hominem.  Perhaps you ought to take your own advice? Or is your plan to out yourself as being very, very ridiculous?
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Male 3,587
monkwarrior he used the term ad-hominem so hes smart. kinda like people who say indeed and cite straw man agruments. buzz words
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Male 6,196
rumham back under the bridge you troll.
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Male 3,587
monkwarrior buzz words so you dont have to explain your angst! TROLL
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Male 6,196
rumham of course, cupcake *eyeroll*
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Male 5,201
I wanted to see how the Flat Earthers get around seeing with their own eyes a ship disappearing hull first over the horizon. The mental gymnastics the woman does in this video are almost as laughable as the YouTube comments. These people are nuts.
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Male 8,691
markust123 The amount of self-delusion required for them to ignore the obvious knows no bounds.
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Male 10,094
I always find it amusing when people will say "OBVIOUSLY the world is round or OBVIOUSLY vaccines don't cause autism, It's science", but then turn around and deny global warming because the science doesn't meet their confirmation bias. 
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Male 72
holygod humans in summary 
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Male 569
Pasta fazool... she's-a round-a, she's-a firm-a, she's-a fully packed-a.  She's-a round-a, like-a my heaaaaad-a!

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Male 8,691
irk She's flat like your head.


(I don't actually believe that, but couldn't resist the rejoinder.)
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Male 569
megrendel Baahaaha!  I was just waiting for someone to do that!
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Male 6,192
irk Not many remember this but the round, firm, fully packed is the Lucky Strike Cigarette slogan and they started that whole saying craze
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Male 569
thezigrat Did not know that...
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Male 6,192
irk Just watch an episode of the Jack Bennie show
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Male 97
*sigh* Why do we even have to have this discussion?  Are the people who believe this the same ones who were traumatized as children because someone used the old "i've got your nose" gag on their third birthday? 
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Male 163
kuman thanks for bringing up such a sore subject 
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Male 6,192
theman01 Got our Nose ~ trying to imitate  the hand gesture ~
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Male 163
thezigrat Thats not funny... my therapist says I'm going to make a breakthrough any day now...
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Male 6,192
theman01 I had a client that had a break through once. They had to replace the wall he broke through.
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Male 97
thezigrat OH YEAH!
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Male 163
thezigrat this is very concerning...i think 
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Male 6,192
kuman The most famous example is Voldemort
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Male 2,703
A pretty smart gut by the name of Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth within a few percentage points of error about 2300 years ago and all he had was a brain, some sticks and an accurate measure of distance between two points.
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Male 40,247
SOOOO many things wrong. But to start I believe Earth is an oblate spheroid. Video states once you step off the edge of Earth you're okay. but how do they know what is over the edge? Supposition not based in fact.

Who said the Earth is a flat disk? Supposition not based in fact.  It could be we live on the flat top surface of a cone structure. {NO I don't believe that so stop laughing at me.}

I just spilled my beer..... Gravity is DEFINITELY real



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Male 6,192
Gerry1of1 The Earth is a Cube and There are no round surfaces- Brought to you by the Corners Against the Universe Society.
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Male 8,691
thezigrat That's explains the question "How are things in your corner of the world?".
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Male 6,192
Gerry1of1 Gerry you are correct, due to the rotation of the earth it is slightly an  Oblate spheroid
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Male 5,201
If you remove trolls from the equation, there are still a lot of actual conspiracy theorists out there. I wonder what it is that causes these types of people to purposely ignore facts that disprove their arguments.
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Male 6,196
markust123 In the case of 9/11 people seem to purposely ignore facts because the mass media told them what to think, and they don't want to seem out of place in the 'norm' it upholds, which so many live by.
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markust123 Has to be a mental deficiency of some kind.  I mean we have a perfect example of reality denying individual in our community. 
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Male 602
normalfreak2 Hey, I can't stand he who will not be named, either. But, no, he's not THIS stupid, is he? You really have to have some kind of disability to be dumb enough to believe this stuff.
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Male 6,192
normalfreak2  I worked with a few, They are called Lunnies
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Male 6,192
It has been proven MANY times over the past 2400 years that it is round, how ever there is much evidence that Flat Earthers heads are hollow
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Male 569
thezigrat Ya, now that I can believe...
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Male 963

Is There A Possibility That Earth Flat?



No.


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Male 5,195
punko LOL. Yeah, that one's pretty much an open-and-shut case.
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Male 6,196
squrlz4ever In truth it's not as open and shut as you presume.  If it were, there would truly be no question.
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monkwarrior Sorry, Monk. I stand squarely with Grendel on this one. There truly is no question. The spherical (or to be precise, oblate spheroid) shape of the Earth is a matter of settled science.*

The only people who seriously think the Earth may actually be flat are those who are either uneducated (clearly not your case), mentally unsound (probably not your case), or contrarians and conspiracy theorists with the sophomoric belief that nothing should be accepted unless witnessed with their own eyes (quite probably your case).
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*Yes, there is, indeed, such a thing as settled science and concensus does play a role in science. The amount of confusion and misinformation I have seen on this subject on IAB, particularly in regards to global warming, is enormous. I've been tempted to jump in, but the discussion would inevitably result in a debate of two or three hours and that's a lot of time to dedicate to that, so I've been staying out of it. Maybe I'll dive into it the next time a global warming post comes up.
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Male 6,196
squrlz4ever again, i've only put the globe in question from the questions of flat earth people.  Some of their questions are very interesting and thought provoking and their experiments interesting, leaving me to think people saying it's a globe should answer the questions. All im saying is about the globe: i don't know for sure, but i will when i see it!
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Male 8,691
monkwarrior It is open and shut. It's as close to axiomatic as you can get.

The doesn't keep people of low intelligence from questioning it, though.
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Male 6,196
megrendel you can assert whatever you want, bit if it was indeed open and shut, like say water is wet, then there would be no question.
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Male 8,691
monkwarrior Some people will contest anything. This has no bearing on the facts of the case.

The fact is that the Earth is not flat. That's the simple fact. No amount of debate can change that fact. Your opinion on that fact has no bearing on the fact.  

monkwarrior  like say water is wet

Water is not wet. "Wet" is a sensation that you feel. Not a state that water is. 
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Male 6,196
megrendel the point is that i can easily take a piece of clothing and put it in water, and take it out, feel the clothing and see that it is wet.  That isn't a question.  Yes i suppose if i put the clothes in gasoline it would be wet with gasoline too.  But i can't easily test the earth, and nor can many other people, so that's why there's stilll a question.
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Male 3,587
megrendel oh snap.. monk got served!
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megrendel It is a matter of surface tension cohesion
Decrease it, substances become "wetter"
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monkwarrior Are you sure water is wet? I can think of several chemistry experiments that show it isn't
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at rumham Did you notice the strange user "Curt_Thurston"?
Again only one post, no back ground, no start date. STRANGE! His post was also just one word - a screen name, VERY STRANGE. Think this could be a trigger?
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Male 6,192
squrlz4ever ~ Skitters in throwing peanuts and skitters out ~
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Male 5,195
thezigrat ~sniffs peanuts~ Are we sure these are terrestrial peanuts?
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Male 6,192
squrlz4ever yes but they might be a bit damp and possibly a little mucusy
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thezigrat "Mucus-y"?... I... I... respectfully pass on said nuts, thank you.
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Male 6,192
squrlz4ever I'm a cephalopod... What do you expect?
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Male 3,587
thezigrat squrlz stay away from his damp musty nuts
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Male 6,192
rumham ~ Skitters in and sets up old timy radio mic ~ "Smart Squirrels  use Gold Bond Jock Itch Powder. It drys those Damp Musty Nuts." ~ Bows and Skitters  away with mic ~
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Male 3,587
thezigrat so gold bond powdered flavored nuts.. hell noooooo. you sexual alien based concubine!
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Male 6,192
thezigrat Besides our peanuts weigh one ton each. You couldn't catch one
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thezigrat which is odd for a plant that grows only 1 inch from root to tip
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normalfreak2 LOL. That meme perfectly captures my feeling when looking at about 25% of the threads on IAB. Especially in threads dominated by you-know-who.
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Male 569
squrlz4ever I can only assume you're referring to 10/2Grimalkins.
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irk Thaaaaaaat would be the one, yes. :)
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normalfreak2 your image doesen't show
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thezigrat I thought the image not showing up was quite appropriate for the post - it's a stupid question in space.
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markust123 Weird It shows up for me.
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normalfreak2 2nd one shows but not the first
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