John Oliver Tries To Explain The Difference Between The Truth And Trump's Truth

Submitted by: holygod 8 months ago in News & Politics

This is literally directed to 5Cats. 

"If you get your news from similar sources (as Trump) as many, many, many people do, he doesn't look like a crank. He looks like the first president ever to tell you the real truth."
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Male 4,894
I watched this earlier elsewhere and thought it was a great piece. Glad you posted it here, HG. Thanks.
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Male 7,913
Until we can agree on Reality nothing is going to change.   Listen if you hear something extraordinary, That something extraordinary requires an equal amount of extraordinary evidence.  Trump wasn't kidding when he said he could kill someone in downtown Manhattan and not be prosecuted.  He and the Conservative movement have a stranglehold on reality.  It's incredibly sad that they can say and write things that are PROVABLY false yet masses of people believe it.
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Female 4,405
why wasn't the "Truth" important for the past 8 years?
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Male 5,002
melcervini A president has to be able to lie in certain situations or they will fail at their job. Cough, cough, Jimmy Carter. The random spin and lies that came from the Obama adminsitration was child's play compared to the daily barrage of "alternative facts" coming from this new administration. When people say Obama lied there is always the same set of lies listed as proof: You can keep your doctor, I didn't call ISIL a JV team, etc. With Trump, the lies are literally daily, sometimes multiple times during the day. And not just empty promises or spin but easily provable lies. It's seriously not cool. He's going to get America in a lot of trouble if he's not more careful.
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Male 4,894
melcervini Speaking for myself here, Mel, the Trump administration is breaking new ground when it comes to divorcing itself from facts or, rather, not recognizing or caring about the distinction between perception and reality.

Barack Obama told lies, sure. But I never worried that Obama was unable to appreciate the difference between facts and opinion and the importance of getting information from experts. I never had the sense that his personality is so flawed that he cannot accepts truths and is invested in his own delusions. With Trump? I definitely get that sense.

Did you watch Oliver's video in its entirety? If not, please view 12:00-14:12. Alex Jones, by anyone's standards, peddles some seriously paranoid gobbledygook. He also appears to be an important source of information, if you can call it that, for the President of the United States. Trump, who can't be bothered to regularly attend the President's Daily Briefings, has time, apparently, to listen to Alex Jones.

God help us.
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Male 9,742
melcervini It was. Its just the same problem. The sources you turn to for information aren't reliable so you have a distorted concept of reality. Its a pretty big problem. 
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Female 4,405
holygod I meant the blatant lies that were brushed under the rug and excused or else 'you're a racist'
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Male 9,742
melcervini List some blatant lies. Give me 5. I need to gauge what we are talking about.
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Male 6,105
holygod Alternate facts is the preferred term by the Trump administration
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Male 6,105
holygod blatant lies: Bowling Green Massacre , Trump Assassination attempt, Atlanta Terrorist Attack, Obama born in Kenya, Russia never invaded Crimea, Russia never tampered with the election, The Trump never mocked the disabled...
I could go on
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Male 6,105
thezigrat Most of those are from the Trump himself, All are from his administration as official statements.
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Female 4,405
holygod 1)  the farce behind 0bamacare.  it was created as a lie ", passed with the lie 'we have to pass it to know what's  in it"  Lied about it being a tax, just putting it under the IRS and calling it something different .  2)  "We do NOT pay ransom for hostages"   3) TWO weeks after the attack on Benghazi, its still being blamed on a video tape.  4) The first, laughable 30 seconds of this. 5) Harry Reid blatantly lying about Romny's taxes, admitting he lied,  then having no regrets about it.  I tried to spread it out and not fill up the box with just 0bama's tall tales.  If ANYONE in an opposing political belief said or did these things they would have been crucified. 
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Male 9,742
melcervini Reasonable response. Thanks.

Would you agree that it is important to research and vet your sources and information before you pass them on to others? Would you agree that you don't do that sometimes? You posted the insanely incorrect fact that you could have taken the money spent on Obamacare's website and given everyone in America a million dollars. You also posted video of russian election hacking with a fucking russian flag in the foreground and claimed it was the democratic primary. Things like that badly damage your credibility. Would you agree that so many people doing things like that is a big part of the misinformation problem?

See, I don't have cable. I don't use facebook. I don't read political blogs. I get my information from legitimate media (yes "MSM") and then I fact check it myself. That's why I'm always so amazed how this misinformation gets disseminated. 

When you see "VIDEO EVIDENCE" of the Democratic primary being tampered with does that not make you think, wait, if this was real it would be all over the place? Maybe this is bullshit? You don't think CNN and MSNBC and ABC and EVERYONE else would be playing that video 24/7?

1. The quote is not "we have to pass it to know what's in it". It is "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it". THEY knew what was in it. They had time to read it.

2. Several of your examples are squabbling over debatable terms like what is defined a tax what is and isn't a ransom. Would you agree that these are not nearly as cut and dry as things like wether it rained during a speech.

3. He doesn't mention Benghazi once in the video you linked to. Not once. Again, check your own sources.

4. Again, that's a matter of opinion. Do you understand the difference between an opinion and a fact? "America is the greatest country on Earth" is an opinion. Nobody can say you are a liar for saying so.

5. "Let him prove that he has paid taxes because he hasn't"? That sounds like a blatant lie to you? That is someone saying they believe something. Was he wrong? Perhaps. people are wrong all the time. The difference between being wrong and lying is wether you KNOW the information you are giving is false. Do you understand that?

Not a single example you gave, not one is as blatant a lie as "it didn't rain" when it rained. Saying what you think will happen and being wrong is not the same as saying what DID happen and being wrong. Do you see that distinction? 

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Female 4,405
holygod I blame the Kush on the math thing that I admitted before all and I was horribly mistaken on.. the video of the hacking had US examples and I noted that when I posted the video (guess that was forgotten).  As for the examples you asked for, I delivered and somehow (LMFAO) they're all "wrong".   Sorry, I gave excellent proof of what you asked for and rather than continue a possible debate, it was hair-split down to the roots where the main subject isnt' even on the table anymore.  Just Nevermind.
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Male 9,742
melcervini They were good examples. I'm just pointing out how they are open to interpretation. You are valid in saying they are lies but I can also see another side. Would you agree that saying it didn't rain when it did rain is a lie without any other side?

Also, there were NO U.S. examples in the video you posted. They were all from other countries. I gave you a breakdown on that post.
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Male 22
holygod 
And the "paying ransom" nonsense was actually returning money the United States seized from Iran years back as part of the deal to encourage Iran to play ball on the nuclear deal.  It has always baffled me that my fellow americans think it is even remotely possible (or even desirable) for diplomacy to be a carrot-less stick...
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Female 4,405
melcervini *I know that's extremely general, but I've only had one cup of coffee. ;)
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