Did Trump Just Threaten To "Destroy" A Texas Senator's Career?

Submitted by: thezigrat 4 months ago in News & Politics


While meeting with sheriffs from around the country today, Trump asked a Texas sheriff for the name of the state senator who was allegedly not being accommodating, then followed up by saying, "we'll destroy his career." And then everyone laughed. 

Kinda reminds one of this scene from "Austin Powers," no?

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Male 322
I agree that civil asset forfeiture is a form of robbery.  It should be eliminated everywhere is exits.
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Male 10,855
Yes how dare he rein in the utter bullshit that is civil asset forfeiture.  Good lord this guy is actually shaping up to be worse than Obama.
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Male 1,015
A guy was driving to work, and saw red and blue lights behind him, so he pulled over.

The cop swaggers over to the car, and says "I just caught you speeding on radar. Why were you speeding?"

The guy says, "I'm on my way to work, and it's really important!"

"What do you do?", asks the cop.

"I'm an 'arsehole stretcher'.", says the man...

"OK," says the cop, with disbelief. "what's that?"

"well, first I shove a finger up an arsehole, and wiggle it around a little bit, just to loosen it. Then I work in a second finger, and move it around, to loosen it up. When it's loose, I get a whole hand in there, and stretch it out. Once it's big enough, I can get both hands in there, stretch it, work it, and knead it, untill, finally, I have an arsehole that's 6'3"."

"Bloody hell!", says the cop. "What do you do with a 6'3" arsehole??"

Says the driver: "Give it a twitter account, and put it in the White House."

/joke
(nb...if only it was /joke)
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Male 5,252
buttersrules When I die, I’d like my remains scattered along the beach.
That said, I do not want to be cremated.



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I'm not at all a Trump fan, but it seems pretty obvious to me that his statement wasn't a threat, but merely a recognition of the fact that if the man said his name openly at the recorded meeting, that the senator's career might very well be ruined.
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Male 6,981
Well also for Context this Senator wants to require that a Conviction be had before you can invoke civil asset forfeiture.  At the Sheriff's meeting they want to get rid of this Senator for his support of removing Civil Asset Forfeiture.  This should be common sense to anyone that isn't a blinded by their Trumpism.  This is a Civil liberties issue.  No Government force should be able to arbitrarily claim your property is theirs without due process.
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Male 1,444
normalfreak2 HOlY SHIT!!!! We agree on something.  Civil Asset Forfeiture is ARMED ROBBERY under the color of law.  
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Male 6,981
insaneai Hey I'm a a center left leaning person.  That doesn't make me all bad right? =)  Most of the political spectrum tests have me under the "Libertarian Liberal"  I have a lot of Libertarian tendencies but at heart I lean left so I see place for the Government.  Also don't listen to the likes of 5cats and other extremists.  I'm pretty reasonable.
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Male 1,444
normalfreak2 You and tend to disagree on many things.  I am a right leaning libertarian but only just right of center.  

It is a pleasure to engage you on both sides as I usually enjoy the argument rather than the conclusion more than anything else; it forces the rust of the gears and gets me to think.
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Male 780
normalfreak2 Small government, right?
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Male 5,252
With the Trump's LONG history of saying things in earnest then later recanting them as a joke then later saying he was serious in saying that, HOW does one tell if he is joking or not? He has already proven he has no sense of humor
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Male 20,301
thezigrat Great point -- never thought of that, but that's his long-running pattern.
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Male 5,252
You guys do know that he ALREADY had the career of a Pulitzer Winning news reporter named George Will destroyed just days into his term just because he did not like his reporting. Does anyone else see a pattern here? Sutler Lives Again!
Heil Twittler!
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Male 2,603
4 words folks. 4 simple words:

  1. Death
  2. To
  3. The
  4. Presidency

Gather in numbers at your government houses around the nation. Don't do anything but chant those 4 words.  Sit down, don't raise a hand to pick up anything or do anything.  sit, gather, chant.

Persist, and you'll win.
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Male 2,470
monkwarrior
Go south and lead the charge, 'citizen of earth'.  

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Male 2,899
monkwarrior You are, quite frankly, bonkers.
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Male 2,603
squrlz4ever your opinion of me is completely your choice, but quite frankly your expression of it means absolutely nothing to me.
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Male 2,899
monkwarrior Noted. That was more a statement for the record, as it were, than for you in particular. Generally speaking, people who are bonkers aren't much impressed when they are told they are bonkers.
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Male 2,603
squrlz4ever Noted. I've found those who have a need to vocally express their classifications or names of others rarely, if ever, have anything to offer in the way of intellectual discussion. So perhaps you now understand why it means absolutely nothing to me in a more sensible light than you presumed.
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Male 2,899
monkwarrior Please. In a couple years of reading your comments, I've yet to see anything that could be described as "intellectual discussion." I've seen a number of warmed-over conspiracy theories, some watered-down Marx, and the bizarre belief that if people sit in a lotus position and chant four magical words, they'll effect political change. That's about it.
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Male 5,252
It worked for Gandhi
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Male 2,603
squrlz4ever again, your opinion of me is completely your choice, but quite frankly your expression of it means absolutely nothing to me.
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Male 5,252
monkwarrior atleast till you're interned at Gitmo never to be seen or heard from again. It's coming people...
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Male 6,981
George  H W  Bush can be my President any time he wants.  
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Male 5,252
normalfreak2 Even with his mental dissabilities
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Male 1,361
Many people would rather Obama come back and serve a third term.
I'm at the point when I'd even let Bush 2 come back and serve another term.
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Male 642
oobaka I am not a big fan of Obama.  In fact, I consider him one of the worst presidents ever.  However, him serving a third term would have been preferable to what we got -or- Clinton winning. 

I really would have preferred to see Gary Johnson get more support than he did though.  That would have been the best possible outcome IMO.  Yeah, some of his ideas were straight up crazy and should never happen, but those ideas would not have made it past Congress anyway.
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waldo863
Seemed like Johnson couldn't excite his own party - know several IAB libertarians that showed zero support for him.
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Male 642
jaysingrimm Yeah, that's true.  He never really was a Libertarian.  He was a Republican when he was the Governor of New Mexico.  He realized before the 2012 election though that he would never get the full support of the Republican Party because some of his ideas do lean much more Democratic, especially when it comes to social stuff.  One of his saying was that a Libertarian is Socially Liberal while Fiscally Conservative.  That is not really true for all Libertarians, just him.  So because of his socially liberal ideals, the Republicans would never support him for POTUS.  Hence why he went to the Libertarians, and they supported him simply because he had more of a chance than anyone else they could put up.
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Male 5,252
waldo863  What made Obama "bad" was the fact that the house Republicans took out a pact to NO vote ANYTHING that Obama and the democrats wanted to pass. The only things he could get done were through executive order which the republicans screamed "Hitlarian!" or actions that did not need House approval such as eliminating Osama
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Male 642
thezigrat Yeah, he really got next to nothing substantial done except for ACA which just raised the cost of insurance for lots of people.  Sure, it helped some, but it hurt a lot more.  Is that all his fault?  Not really.  But it shows just how poor he was at negotiating with the other side.  If they were not going to let it go through the right way, the way that supposedly would have been great for everyone, then why did he push a broken system through?  If it wasn't right he should have vetoed it
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Male 5,252
waldo863 It is Extremely rare that a bill is "right " when first passed Almost EVERY one needs major tweeking. For example the Trump's new immigration Bill (BAN) has MAJOR flaws (so many the courts halted it) but it was passed as an executive Order and by your reasoning IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER been even thought up.
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Male 642
thezigrat Yeah, I agree.  It never should have been brought up.  It's a pretty stupid bill.
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Male 5,252
waldo863 He couldn't negotiate,  the Republicans REFUSED TO DO ANYTHING WITH ANY DEMOCRAT They still won't. The Pact is still in effect
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Male 642
thezigrat Yeah, so instead he just passed the bill as it was, in what he likely knew was a horrible state because no one would negotiate.  So he pushed it through anyway instead of letting it die, leaving us in a worse position then we were before.  Some good came out of it, but the bad outweighs the good.  If they refused to do anything, he should have responded with the same.  Refusing to do anything.  Instead, he tried to still do something that they obvious
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Male 5,252
waldo863 Granted it needs tweeking but for the most part it does offer many improvements over the then insurance policies such as Allowing for Pre existing conditions, No cap on coverage etc. I personally have a medical problem that runs about 2.5 grand a day to treat.With out it I would die in a matter of a few weeks. With it I can lead a perfectly normal life, for the most part. Although If I needed new insurance I can get it no matter what policy coverage I go with. If Obama care was suddenly repealed I would not be able to get insurance due to the pre-existing clause or would not have it long due to caps. No I do not currently have Obama care, I pay for my own insurance But Obama care helps MANY (Millions) who are not even on Obama Care through the ACA's acts with out their even knowing about it.
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Male 5,252
waldo683  Maybe you can get injured  or ill suddenly which requires expensive treatment  and need an insurance with no coverage cap. With the Trump trying to repeal ACA all Insurance will then have a very low coverage cap which means that once your cap is reached in a month or a year or so your coverage goes bye bye and YOU have to pay for everything and heaven forbid you try seeking better coverage, not with that pre existing condition you just got 
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Male 3,516
oobaka I still haven't seen anything that makes me think "gee, I wish Hillary had won".
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Male 184
trimble Well, just wait until someone or something you care about is affected by these actions.  Maybe one of your muslim friends will be deported, or maybe the child of an African American friend of yours will be senselessly killed by a police officer who is following Trump's "law and order" directive.  Or maybe a gay friend of yours will have his/her marriage license revok... 

oh wait, what am I saying?!?  

YOU don't CARE about THOSE kinds of people, much less associate with them!  What was I thinking??  I mean, if you DID care about folks like this, you'd have at least a fraction of the empathy most normal people have and be able to pull your head out of the sand.  But I get it, Trump's actions haven't affected you personally.  So it's all good.  

Incidentally, that's the same approach the German population took in the 1930s and 1940s.  History provides a lesson of how well that turned out if you care to try and learn something.  Oh wait... my mistake, that involves reading and studying facts-based, objective sources.  I forgot that stuff isn't on the Trumpster-approved reading list.
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Male 642
skeeter01 Wow, it's not like he said he liked Trump or thought the stuff he was doing was great or anything.  Just that the stuff Hillary would have done already would have been much much worse.  
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Male 184
waldo863 What??!?  How could you possibly know that what Hillary would have done by now would have been "much much worse?" Like her or not, we can be certain that NONE of the stuff that thezigrat lists would have happened.  So tell me, what could be "much much worse" than laying the groundwork to turn the U.S. into a fascist state?  

In case you aren't sure what fascism is, here's a quick definition:

  • A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. 

  • By vague analogy, any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting and violence against largely unarmed populations.

Any of that sound familiar?
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Male 5,252
skeeter01 Maybe you can get injured  or ill which requires expensive treatment suddenly and need an insurance with no coverage cap. With the Trump trying to repeal ACA all Insurance will then have a very low coverage cap which means that once your cap is reached in a month or a year or so your coverage goes bye bye and YOU have to pay for everything and heaven forbid you try seeking better coverage, not with that pre existing condition you just got.
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Male 184
thezigrat EXACTLY!  Thank you!  There's another one for you waldo863.  You can be sure that the "evil Hillary" wouldn't have cleared the way to repeal the ACA.

So I'm still waiting waldo.  Can't you think of ANYthing that Hillary would have done that is "much much worse" than what 45 is doing?

Let me see if I can help you out a little.  The only thing that comes to mind is that this country would still be as extremely divided as it is now.  But it would be the republicans who are whining.  To put this into IAB context, instead of 5cats' insufferable gloating posts, we'd be looking at more of his whack-job conspiracy posts.  I'm not sure which is worse though.  
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Male 5,252
skeeter01 The republicans especially the Trump want an immediate repeal of the ACA
If the republicans had a better plan that would cover pre existing conditions, and no caps at a lower price I would be totally infavor for it BUT currently they have NO IDEA what such a plan would even look like, ie THEY HAVE NO PLAN AT ALL TO REPLACE IT. So they want to repeal it and replace it with NOTHING. A badly worded ACA is MUCH BETTER than NOTHING AT ALL! TENS OF MILLIONS would lose insurance with out the ACA , not just Obama care subscribers, but all those who require expensive life long treatments , or expensive meds would lose it due to caps placed on it by greedy companies. READ the Act people before you condem it!
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Male 642
thezigrat I don't need to read it to look at my medical and insurance bills over the last 15 years to see that they spiked and continue to increase at a much faster rate than before ACA.  Yes, this is Republicans fault as much as Democrats.  However, it's the Democrats that pushed and pushed and pushed until it went through and it was the Republicans saying no no no.  Yeah, the Republicans were stupid and if they had worked together, we could have gotten what we needed.  When Obama realized that they were not going to do that though, he should have just left it alone because IMO people are much worse off now than they were before.  If it wasn't going to get done the way it should, it should have just been taken off the table.
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skeeter01  Well, unlike you, I consider clearing the way to repeal ACA a good thing.  So there's that to start.  You can say it helped people all you want and I admit, it helped some people, but it also raised the costs of insurance for nearly everyone I know.  Seriously, my insurance bill kills me.  I had to downsize and sell one of our two vehicles just to be able to afford ACA.  It's anything but Affordable.  It made insurance much more expensive.  So not clearing the way is one thing worse she would have done.  Well, not done in this case.

I'm not going to go in to the rest, because you won't listen anyway.  You'll just come up with reason why everything I say is a good thing, just like you like to say ACA is a good thing.  So whatever.  I have my beliefs, you have yours.  The only thing I wanted to point out is when he said I don't see anything that makes me think I wish Hillary won, you went off on some weird other tangent that made it sound like you thought he heavily supported Trump.  He doesn't, I don't either.  I do think Hillary would have been worse though.  I also think I would have been a worse choice than Trump, as would You.  

Just because someone thinks Hillary would have been a worse choice though, doesn't mean they think Trump is a great choice.  That was my only point.
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Male 5,252
waldo863 With out the ACA I would be paying $78,000 dollars a month on just one medical bill alone due to a work related injury regardless of my insurance.
And complain about high insurance bills and having to down size? I pitty you for you pittance you pay for your insurance
remember your good health is more fleeting than you think. It can only take a second till you need life long care.
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thezigrat People dealt with that kind of thing before ACA though.  Also, if it was a work related injury, shouldn't workre's compensation be paying for your medical AND paying you wages for lost work?  It is required by law in most states that employers have workers compensation insurance.

damn this comment thing really really sucks now.  Really hard to follow a conversation like this.  I give up.  Obviously, to you guys, the ACA is the greatest thing since sliced bread and nothing will convince you otherwise.  Meanwhile, myself and nearly everyone I know has had their insurance costs at least doubled, up to 10 times what it was before, because it made some employers unable to provide insurance(in my case, our group got split up) or prohibitively expensive for them to offer insurance(in my case, the boss was not going to pay for it).
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Male 5,252
waldo863 Yep it was called Bankruptcy, then after that the patient was just let to die
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Male 5,252
waldo863 They claim Its due to a past unrelated injury even though This injury I have now I am machine dependent for life. The Injury they claim my problems stem from is a coccis Injury I received in 97 The work one fractured a vertebrae and crushed my kidneys in 2013 their lawyers are Still fighting it.
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thezigrat  Ah, so your real problem is the way worker's compensation works.  If that had worked the way it should, which is something that's needed to be focused on for a while IMO but instead got ignored and ACA got worked on, you would not be having any issues at all.  Got it.
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Male 5,252
thezigrat and As I said I do not have Obama care but it did eliminate the 10000 a year cap on my insurance I would go through that in four days Just on one bill alone
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thezigrat  Is a good thing that if your life is in danger, any ER in America HAS to take you in and stabilize you.  They then can bill you for the 10,000, and even if you don't pay it, you've met your cap and insurance will pay the rest.  You can then negotiate with the hospital and usually pay a fraction of that 10,000.  After that, insurance covers you for the rest of the year.
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Male 5,252
waldo863 skeeter01 One of the main reasons the costs of insurance have been going up is to cover things like When slime balls raise the price of life sustaining drugs several thousand percent just out of greed for example the aids drug that was just raised from $27 DOLLARS A PILL TO $720 DOLLARS A PILL just because the new owner wanted to make a fortune off of the patients who need it to survive. With out the ACA people would reach their coverage caps in a very short time and all those people would die just because an asshole got greedy. Becareful of the people you love because you you could end up as being one who has to take up to 10 of those pills a day.
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Male 642
thezigrat I just wouldn't take the pills and let myself die then.  Seriously, if I need 10 pills a day just to keep me alive, just let me die already.
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Male 5,252
waldo863 10 pills = normal life, no pills = death, You say that you would rather die than have insurance covered meds that allow you to live normally?
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Male 642
thezigrat If I am having to take 10 pills a day, that's hardly a normal life.  I have to make sure I have those pills at all times.  I have to schedule around taking those pills.  I can't just get up one day, drive up to Austin to see my sister and hang out for the weekend, I gotta go home and get my pills.  That's not a normal life.  Yeah, I'd rather be dead than have to deal with that.  
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Male 184
waldo863 I disagree.  I would have been a MUCH better choice than Trump.  At least I understand the Constitution and the way Government works.

By they way, it's not the ACA's fault that insurance costs went up.  It's the insurance companies - and the greed of the billionaires that run them.  Your ire is misdirected, sir.  Don't believe me?  Look at their stock prices in 2009 and compare them to today.  If they were losing so much money, how did they enjoy triple-digit growth in stock prices, and record profits?  I know why - because they had the best customer in the world buying from them - Uncle Sam.  

Quick question, did you even bother to look at what it would cost you to buy insurance on the Federal market?  You can do that, you know - even if you get insurance through your employer.  I looked, into it myself, and unfortunately found that my employer's plan was my cheapest option because I make too much to qualify for a subsidy.  And while my insurance costs rose each year, they didn't rise more than 5%.  Furthermore, everyone I know is in roughly the same boat.  Their insurance costs rose, but not so much so that it became necessary to make drastic cuts in other areas of their household budget.  The cynic in me wonders if your anecdote is one of those alternative facts your party is so fond of these days.

But, like you say, whatever.  I get it.  You're all for helping the less fortunate so long as it doesn't cost you anything.  How very generous of you.  

Would you be willing to revisit this topic over the next few years when the Republican plan is in place.  I'm interested in seeing how far those insurance costs drop for you.  My guess is that they won't drop at all, but I'll happily eat my words if I'm wrong.  I wonder though, if I am proven correct, will you go against the Republican narrative to which you apparently subscribe and admit it?
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Male 642
skeeter01 Yes, but would the insurance companies have gotten to fat without ACA?  No, ACA was the cause, the insurance companies getting fatter was the effect.  In addition, on top of the insurance companies, you also have the marketplace, which has it's own costs associated with it, and the fact that government is involved in it now instead of just the insurance companies.  So there are additional costs on top of the insurance companies themselves now.

Yes, I do have a marketplace plan.  I was forced to.  If I didn't, I'd be getting dinged on my taxes for not having insurance.  It SUCKS BALLS.  I work for a very small company.  8 Employees total.  We use a Staff Leasing Company for our payroll.  Before ACA, we were able to join their insurance group and get great rates.  After ACA, they could no longer lump all their clients into one big pool and offer them insurance.  It became my companies responsibility.  It was too expensive and since companies under 50 employees are not required to offer insurance to their employees, I do not have any employer offered insurance and HAVE to use the marketplace which gives me really really shitty insurance, way worse than what I had before, AND I am paying TEN TIMES what I was before.  I used to pay $30 a month.  Now I pay over $300.  Also, my insurance costs went UP again this year.  25% more.  ACA sucks balls. 

I had to downsize from my 4 bedroom home with a 2-car garage, formal dining area and den to a 3 bedroom, no formal dining, no den, small as shit house in a worse neighborhood with a 1 car garage because of the increased insurance costs I could no longer afford my mortgage.  So now I rent again.  Then, with this latest 25% hike in my rates, I can no longer afford our second car, so we now have to struggle with only having 1 car while we both work different hours.  It sucks.

Everyone I know is in the same boat as me.  Their premiums went up 2-10 times for insurance they don't even ever use.  The people I know that do use their insurance also complain about paying nearly twice as much as they did before.

Also, who said I was for helping the less fortunate.  They need to get off their asses and help themselves.

I subscribe to the Republican narrative?  Really?  What gave you that idea?  That I dislike Hillary?  Yeah, I do.  I dislike Trump too.  I hate the entire 2 party system.  What I do know, is that ACA fucked me over and all I have seen are way increased insurance prices.  BOTH sides caused that to happen, but only one side had the chance to completely prevent it.  Instead, they kept pushing for it, even though they knew it was broken.  Then they lie and say how great it is for everyone, just like they lied and said we could keep our doctors.  Yeah, I've had to change doctors TWICE since this whole ACA shit happened.  First, I couldn't keep my doctor.  Then I had to change plans again, because instead of only going up 25% it would have gone up another 50% to stick with my old plan or other plans that had my new doctor.  So I had to switch doctors again this year.  Still have not found one, need to start that search soon.  Another thing I don't have time for.  If I had kept my old cheaper insurance, I would still be with the doctor that I liked.  Sure it may be good for some people, but for others it sucks balls.

Also, PLEASE stop referring to those fucking idiotic Republicans as my party.  They are not.  I do not have a party.  If anything i would consider myself Libertarian, but even at that, I'm really much more of an independent.  Why do you think that just because I said I don't like Hillary and think she would have been worse that I must be a Republican.  See, IMO, that's the whole problem with this country right now.  This if you are not with me you are against me mentality.  Just because I do not agree with you that Hillary would have been better does not mean I am a Republican.  I'll say it again, I dislike both sides.  It's not things my party is fond of, I don't have one.
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waldo863 alright already, I get it - you have no party affiliation.  Sorry about making that assumption. 

That said, your story is compelling and truly the first one I've heard about that has been so detrimental to someone.  I've talked to a LOT of people about this and nobody I have spoken to personally has a story similar to yours.  Nor does anyone that I know even know of someone that has a story similar to you.

Without knowing how large your family is, or what your household income is, it's hard for me to determine whether or not you would qualify for a subsidy.  There's a ton of info out there on subsidies and how to calculate them, but the best summary I could find to cut/paste here is as follows:

A family of three with household income up to $80,360, and a family of five with income up to $113,640, are eligible to receive a subsidy.  The size of that subsidy depends on the cost of the Silver Plan in your state. 

Again, I'm not sure if any of this applies to you, but based on what you said, and my (admittedly faulty assumptions) It seems to me that you should qualify for a subsidy.  Even with my pretty good salary that pushed me over the limit, I was still pretty close to qualifying for one myself.
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skeeter01 I do get a subsidy.  If I did not, my insurance would be costing me $583 a month more than it already does.  That's why it's too much of a burden on my employer to offer insurance to employees.  Whereas before ACA, with my employer offered insurance, that yes, they were paying part of, I was only playing $30 a month.  

If you must know, family size is 3.  Me, my wife and my 6 year old daughter.  Just did taxes, so I can tell you my household income last year was just under 33k.

So yeah, I do get a subsidy, but EVEN WITH THE SUBSIDY, I pay WAY WAY more than I did before ACA.

Many of my friends who work for small EMT companies with less than 50 employees ended up in the same situation.  My best friends fiance who is a waitress for a small local restaurant with less than 50 employees, same thing.  In fact, they fired 2 people and made her start working more hours just so they could be under 50 and not have to provide insurance anymore, because it would have been prohibitively expensive for them to do so.  She ended up quitting and working somewhere else.  The other people who work here with me, obviously same thing.

Maybe it worked for people in your circles, people who make enough to not qualify or barely qualify for a subsidy.  Maybe it's just your state that has a better marketplace than mine.  I don't know.  What I can say, is that the people I know here in my state(TX if you are curious) are all complaining about increased costs.  We were all pretty much happy with our insurance before ACA.  Sure, there were little things that needed fixing.  ACA did not really fix those things though.  It did increase our costs though.

I do admit, a large part of my problem may be that I live in a Red State that was against the ACA.  Perhaps it's things they have done that made me unable to get good insurance.  I don't really know.  What I do know is that before ACA, we were fine, after ACA, we are not.
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Male 5,252
waldo863 Try living on a 14 K or less income with a family of 3 Like Most of the working class then we'll talk
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Male 642
thezigrat Been there, done that.  While I was doing that, I was constantly looking for a better job or opportunities for advancement.  Those that look, usually find them.  The ones that just complain about it and don't actually go looking, or just try to do the bare minimum at the job they have while complaining about not getting anywhere, usually don't get anywhere.

I find it really really hard to believe that anyone who really WANTS to make more than 14k a year with a family of 3 can not.  2 people working at McDonald's making minimum wage can make nearly double that.  So if you are only making 14k a year as a family of 3, you are just not trying.  Sorry.
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Male 184
waldo863 Well, this is just terrible, and I totally get why you hate ACA.  It's truly shameful that this is happening to you.  Please allow me to apologize to you for my foolish assumptions and my rude manner of speaking to you.  I admit that I can be a bit of a hothead, and I need to do a much better job at letting things simmer before I go off half cocked and make an idiot of myself.  I am truly sorry for what I said, and rest assured I will remember this conversation the next time I am tempted to be a dick.

I wish I knew how to help you.  This just doesn't seem right to me.  The whole idea of Obamacare was to help people afford insurance, keep their coverage even when they have preexisting conditions, and have healthy people and wealthy people help pay for it.  But clearly that has not happened.  I've done a little digging and I think I've found something that may help. 

The Govt. offers incentives (tax breaks and tax credits) to small businesses with less than 50 full-time workers, making less than $50,000 in average annual wages.  This program is called the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP).  Based on what I read, it sounds like it's a similar thing to what your staff leasing payroll provider was doing for you.  The only difference is that it's your employer who runs it.  Also, it sounds like every penny your employer contributes toward his/her employee insurance premiums are offset by the tax deductions and tax credits offered through SHOP.  Maybe this is something worth looking into - assuming, of course, your employer hasn't already done so. 

What do you do for a living, if you don't mind my asking?   You say your friends work for a small EMT company... I'm guessing that's one of those private ambulance services?  Is that what you do too?
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skeeter01 Apology accepted.  I wish more people would actually LISTEN, look at facts and then make a determination.  Instead, they just tell you you are wrong and ignore you and tell you must be lying, as you did at first as well.  It is appreciated when someone still listens though.

Yeah, it's not right.  That's what I have been saying all along.  It's done this to me and nearly everyone I know.  Only increased our costs.  I know how to help me though.  REPEAL ACA.  Which as much as I dislike Trump, he is working on getting done for me, so I have to applaud him at least some.  With Hillary, nothing at all really would have changed and it would just be more of the same old same old.  That's why I say she would have been worse.  Trump is at least going to DO THINGS.  Not all of them will be good things, but Congress should be able to put a stop to anything too terrible and some good things may happen.  With Hillary, nothing good at all would have happened IMO.

No, I work for a local safety supply house.  We sell things like safety glasses, hard hats, traffic vest, traffic cones, gas monitors, respirators....anything safety related really.  As I said, really small company.  We have the Owner, then me, then one salesperson and the firts aid route driver.  We have a second location, that just sells steel toe work boots and shoes, with a shoe mobile that goes out and sets up at places that require safety shoes and pay part of the costs for their employees.  We have a driver for that truck, a salesman and another part timer who helps keep the store open when the other 2 are not there.  As for what I actually do, a little bit of everything.  Shipping/Receiving, Billing, A/R, IT, Customer Service, Sales Support, help with purchasing...you name it.  I am pretty sure the boss looked in to SHOP, I will ask him.  I think he just determined it was too much hassle and if he did not have to deal with it he was not going to.
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waldo863 Insurance bills were raising greatly anyway , the main reasons are due to Doctors needlessly raising their fees and Drug patent owners charging INSANE prices for drugs they can cheaply manufacture just for sheer profit. Insurance companies cover those costs as well. The more greed shown by doctors and patent holders and pharmaceutical companies the higher health care costs will be. It is NOT DUE to the ACA itself. Such actions are driving up the cost on ALL health care coverage. And people can lose their doctors when ever they change plans, Not just with Obama Care
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thezigrat Yes, but ACA accelerated that AND added additional costs on top of that.

I am not saying we did not need some change in the system I am not saying it was perfect before.  It definitely needed SOME regulation, but what we got went way over the top.

I can tell you about some things that cause insurance premiums to rise that ACA did NOTHING about.  I have several friends in EMS.  They work for small ambulatory companies that mainly deal with patient transport when needed.  Well over half their patients do not really need ambulatory transport.  However, the owner of the ambulatory company pays doctors to prescribe ambulatory transport, which ends up getting paid by insurance.  This is for people who do not really need it.  This is a huge problem.  Other abuse like this goes on all the time.  We need regulations to prevent this kind of stuff for sure, and many other problems.  However, ACA did not even address issues like this.

Yeah, people have to change doctors when they change plans all the time.  I agree with that.  The difference is, the new plan did not tell me ahead of time I would be able to keep my doctor the way Obama did repeatedly.  He flat out LIED about that.  I wouldn't have had an issue with it if I hadn't been told that I would be able to keep my doctor.
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waldo863 Emails vs destroying the EPA, the education system, threatening to black mail various news organizations, discrediting news organizations he can't control, discrediting the whole legal system, fraud, and destroying peoples careers of those he does not like, repeal investor protection laws that prohibit financial advisor from knowing sell worthless stock for personal profit. Which is worse? Also consider that Trumps advisor Flinn did the exact same thing with E-mails
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skeeter01 Wow you guys are confused. How many of there are you running around in poor skeeters head anyway?
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trimble four, I think.
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oobaka Hell, Carter's alive, right?
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oobaka Bush 1=war hero,Bush2, asshole and a liar.
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is it me, Or is Trump a bigger cunt than Bush2?
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zeegrr Not just you. Trump honestly makes me miss the good old days of Bush Jr. and Reagan.
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That was funny. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it ziggy.
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That was funny.

So is threatening to grab a girl by the pu$$y.

...unless you're a girl. Or you're a person who cares about girls who Trump threatens to grab down there.
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bliznik Well yeah, that was funny too. He didn't really threaten to grab a girls pussy and didn't threaten to end the guys career. If the Dem game plan is to just attack everything and anything Trump no matter how utterly silly, well that didn't work in the primaries, didn't work in the general and won't work now. That eff'ed up party needs to look within, understand where they went wrong and have a major overhaul but I don't see it happening, their voters obviously won't demand it. Warren will probably be the next Bernie but the DNC will still pick who they want next time around and blow it all again. Hell, before than they will suffer even more losses at the midterms under Pelosi if they stay on present course.
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trimble Trump has said in many interviews "I never kid" which I absolutely believe. So I believe him when he said he grabs pussy
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trimble Yeah, it seemed to me more that he was respecting the guy for not saying the Senator's name as that would have ended his career.  It seemed like a sarcastic, joking comment.  Like if I said something like, "Oh, you don't want to jump off a cliff without a parachute and go splat?  Who woulda thought that."
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trimble I totally agree with the second part, and somewhat agree with the first part. Just because Trump does even more egregious things, that shouldn't mean that we should excuse all his behavior. We should just focus the most on the most egregious, harmful actions and work to minimize their negative effects. What he did here...not that harmful. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's funny and laudable behavior for the President of the United States.
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bliznik I know what your saying but the guy is gonna be who he his, I think we know that. We'll see, it's so early you know?
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trimble Just give him time, He hasn't destroyed the free media yet although he is well on his way Then EVERYTHING WILL BE ROSES as far as everyone who only listens to the news with out looking out side will know
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