A Male-To-Female Transgender Murderer Got Kicked Out Of Her Jail For "Sex With Female Inmates"

Submitted by: 5cats 4 months ago in News & Politics

Paris Green, the 23-year-old convicted murder, tortured and killed another human being, but got put in a women's prison until authorities had enough of that! Now she's in a male prison in Scotland for the next 18 or so years, vulnerable to violence and possibly rape. Oh wait! Not an issue! My mistake -- the law makers know what they're doing.

But this begs this question, "Why have rules and laws if you just ignore them?"

Shouldn't Green, formerly Peter Laing, still be in that women's prison? How can you make rules, and then when they don't work out, you change the rules. What's the point of the law if the law can be bent that easily. I guess that's liberalism a work.
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Female 7,878
God you lots are HORRIBLY transphobic- be nice.
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Male 1,255
madduck yes they are. That and then some on child abuse and domestic violence. Kind of Red Pill lite, some times. 
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Male 38,418
madduck Not in the slightest!
I just point out the consequences of dumb liberal policies. I'm liberal-o-phobic. :-D
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Male 525
I agree with many of you who say that the equipment should pick the prison. The problem is the recent social outcry to accept a persons choice of sexual identity. We now have laws about bathroom rights and usage, and a military prisoner(Chelsea Manning) who got authorization to have a sex change. As alternative identity becomes more acceptable/protected you will see issues like this occurring more often. I can't say I have a solution that will make everyone happy, but you'd think to get in a woman's prison they would at least chemically castrate the person.
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Male 38,418
dragon91 This is the UK we're talking about, some of the most Liberal Laws anywhere, lolz! 
But no, they don't do the castration thing on anyone except the most vile and violent sex offenders. The simple, but non-PC, solution is: If it has a penis? It goes to a male prison. 
But like you said, there's a whole lot of political correct posturing going on these days.
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Male 645
dragon91 The problem is, and I am sorry if this sounds sexist or something but it's not, is that men are typically stronger than women.  Yes, it's not always true, but it is most of the time.  So here you have a person who is physically a man.  He's likely faster and stronger than at least half the women there.  He has a dick and he still desires women and he has the ability to rape them.  So why would you put him with a bunch of women?  It makes no sense.  

Just like it makes no sense for a person who is biologically a male, therefore on average faster and stronger than females, to get placed on a female sports team.  Sure, you may not feel like a man on the inside, you may not act like a man on the outside.  But you sure have a physical advantage over most females.  For that reason, it is your body that determines your sex for things like this, not your feels.

Same thing with restrooms really.  My daughter is 6.  I don't want her walking in to a women's restroom and seeing a man piss.  It's just not age appropriate.  Yet if we let transgenders use whatever restroom they feel like, that's what's gonna happen.

In addition to that, you'll always get guys who just pretend to be transgender.  This way they can get placed in to a women's prison and get to see naked chicks showering and stuff.  This way they can go in to women's restrooms and take dirty pictures of women or little girls.  This way they can get put on a female sport's team and have an unfair advantage over others.

There are just too many ways it can be abused.  If he already had surgery, testosterone removed and getting estrogen injections, ok, fair enough.  At that point, he can be considered a women for the purposes or prison, public restrooms and sports.  Until then though, if he has a dick and balls that produce testosterone, medically, it's a male.  Period.
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Male 38,418
waldo863 Public showers too, like in pools.
A Judge in Washington State ruled a male had a right to hang around naked in a women's showers for half an hour, even when pre-teens were there. A 'right to' because he says he's trans. Not under treatment or anything... 

If the penis is still functioning, if it's even still attached? Men's Prison, men's showers, men's restrooms. Simple really.
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Male 16
You are false equivalency, bias confirmation, and a diseased mind personified.  I can literally spot your constant garbage posts from just the first few words of the titles...
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Male 38,418
ANullBob Hi AlmightyBob, welcome back to IAB.
False e-what now? He's a trans-male, so the Law says to put him (her) in a women's prison... fine! But not "until it becomes inconvenient". That's not how the Law was written, that's not how the Law works. Change the stupid Law OR apply it equally to everyone. That's how it's supposed to go. 
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Male 5,890
5cats I have an idea! Cut off his dick and balls and put him(?) back in the women's prison! What do you think?
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Male 38,418
broizfam Considering he tortured and murdered someone? Sounds good to me... the whole gender issue aside eh?
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Male 645
Should he still be in the women's prison?  No, never should have been there in the first place.  Born a man, reproductive organs of a man, belongs in the men's prison in the first place.  So I do agree with your question, Why have rules and laws in place if you are not going to follow them?  Why was he placed in a women's prison in the first place?  That's when the law or rule was broken.
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Male 7,910
If rules do not cover a situation, you update the rules. Happens all the time.

But, the one issue I have with the report:  HE is now in a MEN'S prison.  He is not a she.  He is pretending to be a she.
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Male 249
As far as I know, the penitentiary administration in the UK has absolutely no guideline on how to handle transgenders, and it is not an easy question since only two types of jails exist: men jails and women jails. If you take three criteria in consideration (genetic (birth) sex, biological (actual) sex, apparent (self-identifying) sex), you have a potential need for 8 types of jails, something not going to happen. And if 2 of these 8 cases are straightforward, any official decision on the other 6 may be considered discriminatory.

UK had a case a couple years ago of a biological female, born a man, committing suicide in a men jail. This highlighted the fact that the sex on your birth certificate should not be used to choose your jail. This case highlights the fact that "self-identification", since it can contradict the biological sex, should not be used either.
So the question, for jails, should be very easy: you have to go in the jail where all the other inmates have the same biological sex than you. No matter what you or your birth certificate say.
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Male 38,418
m3dm3d I agree, and thanks for that clear and concise breakdown of the situation! And the info on UK's lack of rules about it.
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Male 1,527
I understand that society frowns upon men raping women and turn a blind eye to men raping men or women raping women (happens very rarely, but it still occurs). If they just enforced rules that limited rapes, then it wouldn't really matter where Paris Green goes.

Cameras, buddy systems, punishments...it's a prison. You can enforce some pretty egregious rules to severely disincentivize almost anything. You can't prevent all inmate-on-inmate crimes from happening. I mean, it is a prison. But most of the egregious crimes can be prevented.

Also, prison is a punishment. Paris Green had rules to follow, broke the rules, and being sent off to a male prison is, I think, an appropriate punishment for repeatedly breaking the rule of no fraternizing with other prisoners. Prisoners have rights, but once you receive a conviction you're supposed to be punished by the system, and breaking rules in prison should result in an even worse punishment. 
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Male 38,418
bliznik I think the issue is that these women WANT to have sex with him. Not that they are getting raped (although that may happen too) and this is an embarrassment to the politicians and management.
The light sentence she got is another story...
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Male 5,890
5cats That's what it looked like in the linked article - they wanted action and there was a penis available. Didn't look like it was an issue of rape at all. Just sexual activity which was against the rules.
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Male 4,433
"I guess that's liberalism at work."

Why does EVERYTHING have to be us-against-them with you? Why does everything have to be a partisan fight? I agreed with you until I reached that last dig.
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Male 5,890
markust123 Actually, I'd say liberalism is what got him/her/whatever into a women's prison. Conservatism is what got him transferred to a men's prison.
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Male 38,418
broizfam Yes indeed! You are correct! The ONLY reason she was in a women's prison in the first place was because of those 'liberal laws' and the latest craze of 'transgender restrooms' eh?

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Male 5,890
5cats Well he/she/it apparently got plenty of action there. Hmmm...
Anyway, I'm not particularly fond of transgender restrooms. I have no problem with them being available but the traditional ones should be available for people who find them uncomfortable.
By the way, why call them "restrooms"? Did you ever go to one because you needed to rest. "Escape rooms" maybe, for when you need to get away from that asshole at the party who just won't shut up.
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Female 3,517
broizfam and liberalism is what's going to get his sex-change paid for by the tax payers.
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Male 5,890
melcervini Unfortunately, I think you're probably right. And I think of myself as being liberal. I just try not to be an idiot about it!
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Female 3,517
broizfam I want to take my gun to my gay son's wedding and we all sit around and get high together with our legally-immigrated buddies.
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Male 5,890
melcervini Have fun! Be careful with the gun.
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Female 3,517
broizfam always :)
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Male 534
"How can you make rules, and then when they don't work out, you change the rules."

Because sometimes the rules actually don't work out and they do have to be changed.  It's a grey world, buddy; not black and white.

Also, not a very good tranny.  Looks like a guy wearing eye makeup and lipstick.  Just sayin'...
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Male 38,418
irk Um, it IS just a guy wearing lipstick and makeup. I don't think she's had the bone reconstruction done yet. Maybe?
And most trannys are pretty obvious, up close. There's some who "can pass" of course, but not many.
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Male 249
irk Yes. Actually, if they had followed the rule in the first place Paris would have gone straight for men jail, because UK only considers birth certificate sexes. It was because they were willing to bend the rule to please "self-identification" that they had to face issues.
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Female 3,517
if it still has a dick its a man and goes in a man's prison.  This man who committed a horrible crime and is now whining about "violence and rape" in the men's prison  (where it was going to happen whether he had his fake titties on or not) while his waits for his taxpayer funded sexchange?  sorry cupcake, sounds like you might enjoy dropping the soap.
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Male 3,523
melcervini I agree, if he still has his unit he's not a chick with a dick, he's a dude with tits.
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