Georgia Racists Get Hard Time For Being Racists At A Black Kid's Birthday Party

Submitted by: fancylad 6 months ago in News & Politics


A word of warning to all Georgia racists: Hate crimes are punishable and will get you hard prison time. (You wouldn't think they need that reminder, but here we are.)

A Douglas County, Georgia judge (Judge William McClain) awarded defendants Jose Torres and his girlfriend, Kayla Norton (above) a bonus year longer in prison than the state was seeking for being extra stupid. Torres got 20 years while Norton will receive 15 years. They were charged with aggravated assault, making terroristic threats, and violating the Georgia Street Gang Act.

"If you drive around town with a Confederate flag, yelling the 'N' word, you know how it’s going to be interpreted,” Judge McClain said. "It’s inexplicable to me that you weren’t arrested by the police that day."

Let's back up: On July 25, 2015 (a few weeks after the Charleston church massacre), a group of around a dozen people drove around Douglas County in trucks with Confederate, American, and military flags. Most of the people in the group are in a club called "Respect the Flag." 

By chance, "the convoy of trucks passed by the victim's residence where the victims were grilling hot dogs and hamburgers while hosting a child's birthday party featuring a bouncy castle, snow-cone machines, and a DJ," the district attorney's office posted on its official Facebook page.

The convoy parked their vehicles and approached the house party with weapons (a shotgun, a knife, a tire iron, etc) and threatened the members of the birthday party. The racists claim an object was thrown at their car and Torres told the party, while wielding his shotgun, that "he was going to kill them while his co-defendants stated that "the little ones can get one too," referring to the young children at the party."

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Male 10,855
BTW Fancylad would you be hard pressed to implement TLS/SSL encryption on this website?  I'd be more apt to comment knowing there's an "HTTPS:\\" prefix.
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Male 10,855
Calling these "hate crimes" is absurd (as is the concept of hate crimes), they would be crimes if they were committed against anyone else including whites.  The crimes they were charged and convicted for were generally what I would've expected for such behavior.
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Male 1,331
Cajun247 What about the four black teens that were recently found guilty of hate crimes for torturing a white mentally disabled kid?
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Male 764
Cajun247 Absurd? Do you prefer they be treated as terrorists instead, as they would if it was the ISIS flag and they were brown?
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Male 10,855
mischeif954 The fact that they were terrorizing the entire birthday party with guns and threats alone is a crime.  Race was simply of matter of motive, but was (and should be) irrelevant when it came to the charges.

doiknowyou First of all the trial hasn't happened yet.  Secondly they've also been charged with kidnapping, aggravated battery, aggravated unlawful restraint, and burglary.

Again what they did was terrible and illegal there is no need to charge them with "hate crimes".
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Male 764
Cajun247 >>but it's not going to change the verdict which is ... guilty.<<

Ok... but it will though hate-crime is a whole other charge with it's own verdict that carries it's own separate sentencing... how is that not relevant?

>>People who commit crimes towards other people or their property should be punished regardless of motive<<

Are you not aware that there are varying degrees of crimes where the only thing that distinguishes them from one another is motive, like killing someone?

Race is not simply anything, again depending on the race and allegiance, this would have been considered terrorism...
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Male 1,114
Cajun247 Wait a minute here.  You agree that the motivation for the crime was race, but do not think it should be called a hate crime?  I suggest you look up the definition of hate crime, because that is exactly it's definition.  If the motivation of the crime was racial, sexual or some other prejudice, it is a hate crime.  That's literally the definition of the term.  So the fact that race was the matter of motive was relevant, and should be the only relevant thing, when considering whether or not to add hate crimes to the list of charges.  There were crimes committed, the motivation was a prejudice, in this case racism, so those crimes committed were hate crimes.  Period.

Please explain why you think it should not be considered hate crimes when you admit race was the motivation for the crime and that is the definition of hate crime.  Looking forward to hearing your reasoning here.  It's like saying if I Murdered someone, I should not be charged with Murder, or if I break into someones home I should not be charged with breaking and entering.
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Male 10,855
waldo863 People who commit crimes towards other people or their property should be punished regardless of motive.  The defendants presented in this article are being punished (as they should be) for terrorizing the attendants of the birthday party.  You murder someone you're punished for murder.  You burglarize someone's home you're punished for burglary.  I was not trying to say motive (in this case racism) won't or shouldn't come up during trial but it's not going to change the verdict which is ... guilty.

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Male 1,114
Cajun247 But you did say you do not think they should be charged with hate crimes, when what they have done is literally the definition of a hate crime.  Yes, they will get punished for the crimes they committed, including hate crimes because that's what it was.  

Yes, you murder someone, you are punished for murder.  If you murder someone because they are black, you are punished for murder and hate crimes.  If you burglarize someones home, you are punished for breaking and entering and burglary.  If you broke in to that persons home because they were white, you are also charged with hate crimes.

Motive totally will and SHOULD come up in the trial, because that's what makes it a hate crime.  That's an extra charge to hit the ass hats with and they should be hit with it. 
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Male 10,855
waldo863 Treating someone's motive when committing a crime as a separate crime in of itself is nothing else but punishing someone for what amount's to a thought crime.  Should we have crimes based on the seven deadly sins then?  Jealousy crimes?  Greed crimes?  Honor crimes?  I think it's enough that motive provides context for actions, but it should not be a crime to have motive lest a specific motive.
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Male 1,114
Cajun247 So bigotry and prejudice are ok then?
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Male 10,855
waldo863 Just because something is not a crime does not mean it is okay.  I wouldn't want to be friends with a bigot, but I'm not going to treat their bigotry as a crime.
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Male 764
Cajun247 Their bigotry isn't the crime the bigotry is the motivation for the crime and considered for additional punishment, it's great that some people have the luxury of having that kind of world view that the crime itself is enough consideration, when it is in fact a form of terrorism. 

On the other hand people who don't share that luxury are well aware that bigotry has been used in consideration to absolve what would be otherwise considered a crime.
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Male 1,114
Cajun247 and honestly, I wouldn't treat their bigotry as a crime either, unless they act on it, which in this case they did.  Someone who attacks someone because they are black should be punished more than someone who attacked someone just because they happened to be there.  
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Male 3,099
Well, two less nimrods at large ... That's a start.
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Male 39,538
Stupid thing to do. But when hispanics chant "Viva la Raza" or black panthers march shouting "death to whitie" is "free speech". It's only racism when white people do it.  

And 20 years is crazy stupid long time for this.
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Male 1,114
Gerry1of1 Did you read the article?  No one is serving 20 years in prison.  The original sentence was 20 years, 13 served, so at most it would have been 13 years in prison, with 7 on parole.  Could possibly end up only serving 10 depending on circumstances.  Yes, that's still a long time though.  However, they ended up plea bargaining and only got 4 years for one of them and 2 for the other.  
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Male 39,538
waldo863 Still too much time. 
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Male 537
Gerry1of1 It's ridiculous. 20 years is half the best part of your life. I mean, threatening to shotgun children, maybe you need some quiet time. But 20 years is a disgusting sentence for a non-violent crime, and you're right, sets a horrible precedent. I support freedom of speech, that means I also support even a group a sick as the KKK's right to speak freely. However horrible I find what they say
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Male 558
thething911 Pointing shotguns at the adults and children and saying things like "We're going to kill all the N----." and "We'll blow the heads off all the little b------ and the little n----- can get one too." is your idea of "non-violent"?
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Male 537
jclv Pretty sure you've never even considered what taking twenty years off someone's life actually entails. That you're so willing to throw someone's life away, shame on you. I won't be made to feel evil because I'm willing to offer someone a chance to find their better selves. They are products of their environment, and they should be given the chance to atone, it is simply the right thing to do. Too, it is non-violent, it does not involve physical force, I don't define what words mean here, the fucking dictionary does. 
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Male 558
thething911 The courts didn't take 15-20 years off their lives, they have been locked away for 15-20 years from a society that they CHOSE to contaminate with their vile hatred.

How would you have them "atone" for pointing loaded guns at innocent children?  How would you have them "atone" for the emotional damage done to these children that will never be able to celebrate another birthday without having to think about that day?

Shame on YOU for trying to defend these "people" by trying to portray them as victims of their environment.  They've had their entire lives to "better themselves" and chose not to.

Pointing loaded guns at people IS physical force and it IS violent and the lack of pulling the trigger does not make it non-violent.

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Male 324
It feels like a missed opportunity not to use a rhyming subtitle/tag line on the front page where it reads, "If you can't do the time, don't yell racial slurs, fly Confederate flags, and wave guns around black kids." Starting a sentence with "If you can't do the time..." just seems like it should end with "...don't do the crime."  I get it though, who wants to bring out that old chestnut?  Besides, coming up with a new rhyme on the fly can be tough.  So, just in case this situation ever arises again, I've got a few suggestions:

  • If your idea of fun does not include prison, don't drive around flaunting your blatant racism.

  • Will you still gladly shout, "white nationalist power" while being gang raped in the prison shower?

  • Was it a super cool feeling scaring folks with your guns?  Will it still be cool when you hear "thems are some nice buns?"

  • If dying in prison isn't on your bucket list, then you should stay away from idiot racists.

  • While bleeding from wounds caused by a prison shank, remember, it's your bigotry that you have to thank.

OK - that's the best I can do.  I'm sure the creative people of IAB can do WAY better than me.  C'mon, join in the fun!  I'd love to hear them!
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Male 5,747
skeeter01 Don't do the time if you cant make the rhyme
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Male 3,201
After watching the cell phone video with the cops present...Fuck These Racist Mother Fuckers!  Hate is no longer tolerated in my reality...Fuck these pieces of Shit.  Enjoy prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4HpNJHqlQ
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Male 1,114
kalron27 Isn't saying "Fuck these pieces of shit" pretty hateful?  But hate is not tolerated in your reality?  So your own reality does not tolerate yourself?  How does that even work?
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Male 3,201
waldo863 Not really, I'm not being a stupid ass racist fuck, but nor am I going to hold my tongue any longer about what I think of those who want to stand for such hate.  These people showed that they are a waist of air by not being able to let go of some bullshit trope and inbred logic.  Racism is fucking bullshit.  And I can tolerate myself just fine believing that.
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Male 1,114
kalron27 I did not say you were being a stupid ass racist fuck, but you do hate those people obviously and then say you will not tolerate hate.  I don't hate them, I might dislike their actions, but really, I just feel sorry for them and their ignorance.
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Male 3,201
waldo863 I never said I hated them, but I will not tolerate their kind of hate any more and feel perfectly fine expressing that.  And I do not have pity either, these are adults threatening a child, that is not ignorance, that is pure hate.
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Male 268
Meanwhile immigrants in Sweden receive 100 hours of community service for brutal gang rapes (yes, seriously).
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Male 1,689
Fojos Both immigrants and non-immigrant Swedish rapists get lenient sentences. Sweden had rape issues long before immigrants arrived. The immigrants didn't increase the number of rapes...now more people care about it because brown people are doing the raping instead of white people.

That being said, I think the Swedish laws need to be changed. Rape needs to be taken much more seriously there. 
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Male 7,790
Fojos Incredible claims require incredible evidence.  I'm interested regardless.
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Male 268
normalfreak2 http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/valdtog-12-arig-flicka-2 this one is not a group rape, but he raped a 12 year old and received 180 hours community service. It's very common here.
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Male 7,790
Fojos It was in November that the 12-year-old girl came with the then 17-year-old boy to his home in Sundsvall. There he has after having pushed down the girl had sexual intercourse with her. In connection with this he has also kept her mouth and hit her in the face and head.

Moreover, he has been able to both the girl to perform oral sex on him and performed oral sex on her.

18-year-old denies the case of a rape. He argues instead that the two had a relationship and that the girl has alleged that she was 16 years old. Something that the girl denies. According to her, they have never had any relationship.

The court makes no assessment that it is beyond reasonable doubt that the 18-year-old both had sex with the girl and awarded her blows to the head and face. Moreover, the right assessment that the boy had reasonable grounds to suspect that the girl was under 15 years. Therefore he is sentenced for child rape.

Taking into account the offender's age judging right him to 180 hours of community service with probation.


Context matters doesn't it?  I don't see "immigrant" in here, unless denoting where someone lives as a sign of if they are an "immigrant".  (I'm not aware of anything like that though)  The fact that he hit her means he should have gotten more than community service.  Regardless if he's an immigrant or not.  I treat violent crimes different than non violent.
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Male 268
normalfreak2 http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/åtalas-för-våldtäkt-på-13-åring-1.4106213

This one received two months of prison, Syrian refugee.

Deny all you want, but you obviously have no clue about what happens here. I could even link some of the court documents to cases, but since you don't know swedish it's not "credible enough" for you.

In the first case the guy is a somalian called Mohamud. So called unaccompanied minor (the real age is likely in the 20s). https://minfil.org/T6Q9i9b1bc/269591579-Sundsvalls-TR-dom.pdf
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Male 537
Fojos But, yet, you're so well educated about what happens here? If we can't know anything about Sweden, then you obviously can't know jack about America. So, uh, stay out of our shit then, huh?
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Male 7,790
Fojos I didn't say it wasn't credible, I'm saying I didn't see anything mentioning an immigrant.
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Male 4,039
www.google.com
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Male 9,498
Fojos Source? Credible source?
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Male 1,114
Fojos and it probably does more good than prison time too.  Prison does not rehabilitate people.  Most of the time it has the opposite affect.
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Male 604
At first, I thought that 20 years was crazy long for shouting slurs at people, but nah - threatening people's lives while holding weapons and spouting hate speech - and targeting children to boot . . . seems about right.  

On the other hand, I am not sure how locking people up for 20 years will rehabilitate them.
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Male 3,201
faustsshadow " I am not sure how locking people up for 20 years will rehabilitate them."

Definitely not in our prison system...
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Male 7,790
faustsshadow I think it's a bit harsh of a sentence but at the same time the question has to be asked, are Prisons making these people better?
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Male 764
faustsshadow How does it rehabilitate anybody? Private prison has to be put to use by somebody I guess...
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Male 1,114
faustsshadow Well, if you read the linked article, they plea bargained and are only getting 4 years and 2 years, not the 20 with 13 served and 15 with 6 served originally mentioned in the article, which is more representative of the time they would have served than is mentioned in the writing here.

Still, I get your point.  No amount of jail time is going to rehabilitate them.  In fact, it's likely to have the opposite effect.  Especially if black people in the prison they go to know they are there for committing hate crimes.  They will get treated very poorly by the black people in prison, so the white supremacists in prison will help them out, and then you have more white supremacists that know each other and will work together once they are out.  It's a vicious cycle.
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Male 1,048
waldo863 I'm not interested in rehabilitation because that is only the what the prison system pretends to do.  What prison does in reality is warehouse our dregs for a period of time so we don't have to deal with them until parole/release time.  Then we roll the dice that they wont misbehave again.  If prison is unpleasant enough, said dreg will avoid going back (either stay clean or become a better criminal)
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Male 1,331
People have to realize that real life isn't like the comment section on WorldStarHipHop
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Male 9,498
doiknowyou These people sound more breitbart.com to me.
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Male 1,331
holygod If you're thinking of their political views I agree with you but there are a lot of uber racist comments on worldstar...
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