A Female-To-Male Trans Teen Just Won The Texas State Wrestling In The Girls Division

Submitted by: fancylad 3 months ago in Sports


Mack Beggs, a 17-year-old transgender female-to-male transgender high school junior finished off an undefeated season this past Saturday by winning the Texas state girls wrestling title. As his arm was raised by the referee in victory, the Texas locals were split in their reaction to the win -- you can hear as many boos and you hear applause.

The boos and jeers came from those who say the testosterone Beggs is taking as he transitions from female to male gave him an unfair advantage.

So here's my honest question -- as a self-identified male, shouldn't have Beggs wrestled in the boys' division? I'm confused.

UPDATE

I just did more research on this story and as some suspected in the comment thread, Beggs was forced to wrestle in the girls division due to a Texas state law that requires student atheletes to compete as the sex on their birth certificate.

For those interested, here's Beggs's wrestling match that gave him the state title... 



And here's a short interview with Beggs after the match...

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Male 38,394
CNN's Chris Cuomo, Brother of Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo, sheer coincidence I presume, says this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_mTlslx1M

If a 12 year old girl has a problem with a naked male in her shower room? SHE is the one who is the problem. Not an adult male with a penis being naked in a small room filled with naked girls. Nope! That's perfectly OK! She's the one who is 'intolerant' because... Liberal logic?

Ney York State officially identifies 31 Genders? Really? Wow...
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Male 3,711
 I think this one is plain and simple. She should be stripped of her titles because she is a cheater used steroids to win.
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Male 38,394
dm2754 I read that as "stripped of her titties" :-) Which he will be after the operation... :-O

And yes, using prohibited drugs should be enough to keep him or her out of the competition entirely in the first place. 

Oh, but he neeeeds them to become a male? (says the progressives, not you dm2) Well, I neeeed 6500 calories a day but still want to be on the track team, despite weighing 350 pounds, and sprint in the 200m race... to deny me is discrimination!! (end sarc)
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Male 4,431
I don't know what it is like to be born in the wrong body but I can empathize. This boy must feel so awkward being forced to wrestle girls when all he wants is to be in his own division. How horrific it must be for him to be booed from the stands, but it is his love of the sport that gets him out on the mat, time after time. That is dedication. The adults need to let him wrestle where he belongs - with boys. Sadly in our public school system it is sometimes the adults that end up acting like children.
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Male 38,394
markust123 I am a 12 year-old Japanese girl who is 4' 7" tall, and I insist you treat me as such from now on.
Or else you are a genderracistheterophobic bigot. Ok? Thx!
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Male 38,394
The 'alternative' to a law (or rule) saying it's your equipment that determines your sex is: SAYING you are the other sex.

What the 'liberals' (progressives, whatever) seem to want is a situation where anyone can state they are a boy/girl and thus be entered in that competition. No 'treatment' or other things required, because that would be discrimination, right? Same for restrooms and shower areas.

If a bio-boy just came out yesterday as a gender-girl and wants to run in the women's 400m today? The liberal progressives say: let HER do so! Which is nonsense of course, but that's the reality of most school boards...

Question: are 'trans men' allowed to attend women-only universities? Reside in female-only dorms? Ride the Women-only rail cars? Apply for women-only business incentives? Without the operation I mean, just go and apply and check the "Female" box on the forms, case closed, like that. Is that what liberal progressives want to happen?
Based on their limitless support of the nonsensical 'trans-restroom' issue? I'd say yes it is...
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Male 7,023
If a bio-boy just came out yesterday as a gender-girl and wants to run in the women's 400m today? The liberal progressives say: let HER do so! Which is nonsense of course, but that's the reality of most school boards...


No they don't say yes.  As one that considers himself a Liberal leaning thinker.  If they are taking the hormones for a significant period of time, or have been taking puberty prevention drugs yes.  if they just up and decided on a whim?  Absolutely not.  There has to be some effort on the person to show they are transitioning.  
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normalfreak2 I'm talking about the various leftist school boards and State regulations. Obama's 'guidance' was pretty clear: if she says she's a girl? Despite having a penis? She plays on the girl's team and uses the girl's restroom & etc. And vice-versa for boys with vaginas. 

No mention of minimum times under treatment or doctor's certificates that I've ever seen, not once.

And you'd block a girl (with her penis) from playing on a girl's team just because she hadn't filled out the paperwork (which doesn't actually exist, afaik) fast enough? You misogynist! (that's a joke eh?)
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Male 7,617
5cats those are the exact things we need to figure out as a society.  Problem is the right doesn't want to give an inch and the left wants to take a mile.  
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Male 38,394
cobrakiller Lolz! Well said! 
Yes, the left certainly wants to 'take a mile' which is why the right cannot 'give an inch' eh? Most 'right wingers' don't care at all about it, until someone tries to FORCE THEM to obey insane rules and laws, then they dig their heels in, and rightfully so! (No pun intended, lolz!)
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Male 7,617
5cats That's one way to look at it, but it can also be seen as the left has to push incredibly hard just to get even the smallest change.

That is all a matter of perception.
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Male 306
Wahow, and the bathroom bill blows right back up in their faces.
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Male 7,023
Why is the State regulating stuff like this and bathrooms?  If you are pro small Government why are you supporting stuff like this?
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Male 7,617
normalfreak2 

Because conservatives are for small government and the government to stay out of other peoples lives, unless that is if people are doing something that they find yucky.
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Male 38,394
cobrakiller Because liberals yell 'stay out of our bedrooms' and 'keep your laws off my body' when it suits them, but pass laws regulating how large your cup of soda is legally allowed.

Conservatives put forth a very simple, scientifically valid argument: if he has a penis? he's a boy. If she has a vagina? She's a girl. Sure, some people have both or none, that's about... 200 across America? We're going to rip up the rules for 330 million to accommodate them? I think not. They do quite well without stupid laws drawing attention to them.

But lefty-liberals say exactly that, without a shred of science to back it up. Arbitrary verbal declaration of one's sex is ALL that is required they tell us, so there needs to be rules forcing everyone to accommodate that 0.001% disregardless of the cost and harm caused.
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Male 7,617
5cats. Whoa buddy, no need to take everything so personally.  I am actually on the side of; use the bathroom based on the genitals you have, not the genitals you want. 

Just because the left can be hypocritical at times and want their cake and eat it too, does not take away from the fact that the right does always cry for the government to stay out of their business but wanting the government in others'.
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Male 38,394
cobrakiller No worries!
I don't think having a clear and scientific rule about this issue is 'getting into other people's business' at all! It's preventing abuses like this one from happing at every level of competition. (in this case, the performance enhancing drugs eh?)

Right now, in most places in the USA? Any boy (with a penis) can simply say he's a girl and presto! She's on the girl's team (and in the lockers and shower room too, remember!) So rules PROTECTING GIRLS from this are required. It isn't discrimination against trans people at all, it's a simple, uniform rule that applies equally to everyone.
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Male 7,617
5cats There is no place that I know of that things are as simple as a boy just saying they are a girl and just granted the keys to the kingdom.  Only the furthest to the left would want that.  Those people are the crazies that don't believe there is any difference between male and female and stuff like that.  They are as bad to me as the people on the right who think the earth is only 3000 years old.

While I can fault the left for a lot, this particular case is the fault of the right.  The person who has decided to make the changes necessary to become a male was forced to compete with females because they were born with a vagina.  Now I don't believe that a girl who is just naturally female should compete in the male division because, to be honest, it would not be fair to them.  However, a female who has decided to take hormones to change the physiology of their body to be male should be competing against other males.

Forcing this person to compete against girls is small minded and unfair to them and the girls they face.

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Male 38,394
cobrakiller Alaska for one, I posted an article about it. No rules at all to define gender...  The article also said many States had NO formal policy in place, and it was up to various districts to decide what to do. 
Others had formal policies which said (like Texas) birth gender only. Others had policies that said whatever the student says = their gender. :/ The "far left" is who is running almost every public school and university in America, eh?

And Obama's 'guidance' although revoked now, was firmly "He says he's a she? Then she's a she" .

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Male 654
cobrakiller Exactly....
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Male 1,670
The only reason this ACTUALLY kinda matters imo, is that it could mean some girls who COULD have gotten a sports scholarship will not because of losses to this person.  

I do not know the strictness or competitiveness of girls wrestling scholarships but that's the only real issue i see.  IF in fact no one won/lost a scholarship or anything REALLY substantial, then meh.. its High School Sports, get over it.
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Male 7,617
daegog 

All high school sporting events can have an affect on possible collegiate sports scholarships.
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Male 264
Say what you like but most transgender are blatant hypocrites. They want one thing and do another. Clearly this 'boy' had an advantage and obviously the person ought to have been in the boys division not the girls. Just like the tri-athlete who is genetically a man transitioning into a woman & competes in the Womens division. There's a lot of anger about it because he/she has won all the races when "she" competes against all women....so thats what bothers me. I could give a rats a** what identification you want to be but be fair instead of having an agenda behind it to suit your needs, such as the case here.
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savagenation "due to a Texas state law that requires student atheletes to compete as the sex on their birth certificate."
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Male 1,670
savagenation The problem is.. When you start a sentence "Most Transgender are.."

You are claiming to have direct knowledge of the thoughts of most transgender.  If you are claiming you are a god, that's possible.  If you are not divine, then the entirety of your statement is meaningless.

BTW, If you are a god, can you post the winning powerball numbers?  I will build you a helluva church.

On the other hand, you could read your statement as simple bigotry AGAINST transgender people.  I have personally noticed that people who rage against things like this tend to have issues in their own closet.  Ever notice how many Raging homophobes are 100% gay?  Maybe you have some unresolved issues of your own dealing with sexuality and gender?

Just a thought.
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Male 264
daegog -Yawn
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Male 1,350
Testosterone supplements are illegal in pro sports and probably in collage and amateur sports as long as she is taking a supplement that is banned in normal circumstances she should not be allowed to participate in a sport that bans the substance. Especially in this circumstance where the average participant will not have even have a close, level (normal) of testosterone in there bodies.
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casaledana watch the video, at 1:30 it clearly states that the hormone supplements are not allowed to be used to block the athlete by law.
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barry9a  Which makes my point that this person is taking performance enhancing drugs, that other athletes can not take, and the law is allowing it to happen, supposedly he is taking a boys level of testosterone.
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Male 249
casaledana except if the athlete is taking testosterone for medical purposes. Which is the case here
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Male 4,431
casaledana Would you be fine with him competing with the boys if his testosterone levels were in the normal range? Because that is where I have heard the doctors keep their levels - that it is dangerous for them to go higher.
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Male 1,350
markust123 What's normal? Normal is the rate some one puts out there  Testosterone, this person as a non male will never put out the same level as a so called normal male. So this person can get more testosterone and still be able to call it normal. If the governing bodies make a limit on Testosterone then what happens when some one just naturally makes more. And do they have a test that can give results fast enough for the level to be check before every competition and if there is would it show if they were using to much and then just dropped the level before to pass a test, after they had built up extra muscle  and body mass. I know that many sports require testing for enhancing drugs during the off season just for that reason. I have an idea lets just start sports that allow any kind of doping and any one can play. The answer is simple for the integrity of the sport some people just cant compete boy that's tuff I know because I'm just not good enough to compete so I thing that the sports should let me play and just dummy it down until I can compete. Wood that be fair.
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Male 4,431
casaledana "What's normal?"

There is a normal level of testosterone in each age group. Like when your doctor says your levels are low, he knows what the normal level you should be at is. The doctor for this boy adjusts his testosterone dosage so the levels are what is the norm for his age group. I do see what you are getting though but it has been two years since he has been taking testosterone so I would think his body would be used to the higher level by now. I think if he had wrestled in the boys division he would have done well, because he has a strong drive and work ethic, but I don't think he would have won state.
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Male 1,350
markust123   If I'm 5'7" and another person (for argument boys) is 5' 11"  we are both about (5"9" statistical is average) average height for a 17 year old boy but he is still 4" inches taller. And I use average to be used to call in to account the difference between two variants between two average boys.
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Male 7,617
markust123 

If he has the normal amount of testosterone for a boy his age, that would be perfect for him to wrestle with the other boys.  It is not fair to be physically a boy and wrestling in the girls league.
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Male 1,350
cobrakiller  trochee
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cobrakiller  May be I used the wrong spelling of the word I wanted. What I meant was that you made a fine point with your comment about wrestling in a boys division. About the normal level of Testosterone in boys by markust123. All though I will stand on that as long as he is taking testosterone against normal athletes that are not allowed he should not be allowed to participate at all male or female. Law or no law.
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Male 7,617
casaledana agreed to an extent.  But, I would rather he wrestles against the boys than the girls.  That would be more even a match.
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Male 4,431
He is taking testosterone not steroids. All what he is taking does is boost his testosterone levels up to that of a boys. Because of this he should be wrestling in the boys division. 

But I am going to be a huge hypocrite here because I am still on the fence if boy-to-girl transitions should participate in girls divisions. A girl starting out with a boys body makes their potential muscle mass greater than that of their female competitors. Do the hormones they take decrease their potential muscle mass? Is it so unrealistic that a country like China could force a bunch of athletic men to transition to women in order to dominate in the Olympics? 
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Male 249
markust123 "He is taking testosterone not steroids." Testosterone is an anabolic steroid
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Male 4,431
m3dm3d Are you sure about that? Like when a guy in his fifties is low on testosterone is he given steroids? Or is he given a safer testosterone treatment?
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Male 643
markust123 The "safer testosterone treatment" is a steroid treatment.  Testosterone is an anabolic steroid.  It's just one that we naturally produce, unlike other steroid treatments which are different anabolic steroids that we do not naturally produce.  So yeah, they give him testosterone, but that's still a steroid.
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Male 38,394
The problem isn't the athlete's alleged gender, it's the tons of forbidden performance enhancing drugs he was pumping into his system. That's the only issue here.
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Male 1,247
this just illustrates what unintended consequences laws like this can have.  Government pretty much needs to keep out of people's personal lives.  
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Male 183
I read somewhere that there is a state law requiring that students can only participate in sports based on what is on their birth certificate. I don't know whether she would rather participate in boy events or not.

I think the real story is a 17 year old kid taking unnecessary medicine.
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Male 7,899
Wants to be a male, wants the advantages of being a female at the same time.
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Male 20,302
megrendel That's the part that doesn't sit well with me. Choose the sex you identify with, and be proud about it, but don't take advantage of the situation, which is what I think might be going on here, from the information I've gathered.

Maybe this has something to do with the comment johncourage made: I read somewhere that there is a state law requiring that students can only participate in sports based on what is on their birth certificate. Maybe that's why she's not on the boys' team. 
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Male 7,617
Definitely should be wrestling in the Male division.  If not, the testosterone Mack is taking would be considered a performance enhancing drug.

This is no different than having someone with naturally flowing high testosterone levels wrestling in the female division.
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Male 20,302
cobrakiller "a performance enhancing drug."

I didn't even think of it that way -- now that would be a clear violation of taking a performance enhancing drug. I'm sure there's a loophole that made this possible though.

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Male 419
Whoever wrote this reversed the direction of the change several times.  Plus failed in the pc pronouns department.  :P  He is a him.  Also he should have been in the men's division.

Of course, this comes back to the bathroom problem.
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Male 38,394
muert I agree, it is considered polite to address the trans-person as he/she 'presents' eh?
In this case though, that form-fitting uniform shows she's clearly a biological girl... but I still said "he" in my comment out of politeness. :-)

When Martin is dressed like a boy? Call him 'he'.
When Martina is dressed like a girl? Call her 'she'.
(Hint: it's the same person eh? lolz!)
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Male 20,302
muert Shows you how confused and exhausted was -- thanks for the comment. All is fixed, and yes, it's a state law thing in this instance. 
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