Finland Is Giving 2,000 Citizens A Guaranteed Income

Submitted by: muert 10 months ago in Lifestyle


It's an experiment that has been tried several times, but so far there is not good data on the subject although there are instances on past attempts of this theory -- it's called Universal Basic Income, but is it feasible?

Here's a good Ted Talk about it. Joe Rogan even discussed its possibilities about six months ago. Lots of interesting points are brought up all around.

Personally I think we need to look into things like this, as (I hope) we are approaching the point where we won't need a large portion of the population working in manual labor.

Society will need to learn to accept that not everyone is working because there just are not that many jobs. The way I hope it goes is the only places we will really need people working is STEAM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, and Mathematics. And Art will become the default, since a large population will always want more entertainment.

Could this happen in your country? If so, what would you do to contribute to society? And could this type of utopia exist in 2017 and beyond?
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Male 525
I honestly believe there will be a need for this at some point in the future. A lot of the unskilled jobs will someday be done by robots. We are already moving that way with the cashier free stores. Think of how many people will lose there jobs if/when walmart decides to do it.
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It's not that there are no jobs, it's that the jobs that exist are not jobs people want to do for that wage. Compound that with them getting government redistributed money, there is little incentive to go actually find work. Cut them off of all social programs though and watch how fast all these people will suddenly have jobs...starvation is an amazing motivator.

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Male 583
Let's face it the current idea of having to work most of our waking hours is pretty out of date. I think a great deal of working people would agree that they are wasting their life away at some bullshit job, if they are honest. Anything that allows people more freedom with their time and financial security is a massive step forward in my opinion.
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Male 1,781
"Society will need to learn to accept that not everyone is working because there just are not that many jobs."

I've never understood this argument. Ever since I was a teenager, people were always willing to pay me to do work. Maybe not consistent work. Maybe not work with a healthcare plan. Maybe not work that was what I was trained or educated to do. Most of it wasn't work that I wanted to do. But there were always job opportunities here in California, which historically always has high unemployment rates.

"There are no jobs!" - Apply as a clerk or a janitor in 100 different stores for a single day, you'll get a job.

"I need to pay for food!" - Walk to your nearest church and ask them about food banks for low-income citizens. You'll get food aplenty.

"I need to pay for rent!" - Walk to your nearest church and ask them about the various homeless shelters. You'll get a roof over your head with interesting neighbors and a slew of volunteers who are willing to train you and provide you with life skills.

Do I just live in an abnormally spoiled area? I just don't get it...

Unless you're talking about "underemployment." But that's just silly. Just because you're educated doesn't mean you're guaranteed a minimum standard of job opportunities.
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Male 562
bliznik I am talking about a (possibly distant) future post scarcity world.  Where robots drive (and assemble) all our vehicles.  Where everything you want to buy is tagged so you just throw it in a basket and walk out of the store without having to have it rung up. (or maybe just have it delivered by a self driving car.)

Basically all the Shit, unskilled, repetitive labor that no one really wants to do, but someone has to do right now, could be replaced by robots.

Once you automate all the uskilled labor (which I think is something society should be progressing towards.) What are you going to have the unskilled laborers do?

Say you replace one workstation at a car plant with a robot.  That robot now replaces 3 Shifts worth of people for the next couple of years.  And even if it took a programmer 2 months to set up the robot, you are still looking at years worth of labor that is no longer needed.  Now scale that up across the entire factory. And scale that up across the industry.   How long before McDonalds figures out a robotic burger flipper with one of those thermal cameras can get the burger done exactly right every time?

That is what I am talking about.
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Male 1,781
muert Ah, I understand now.

I'm so lazy, I'd love to live in that world. :)
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Male 4,099
If this happened to my society and things were happening like Art became the default job, I'd contribute by investing in gold waiting until the economy collapsed, and then either reinvest it in stocks, start a company, or buy up real estate and rent it out. I'd shake my head all the way to the bank.
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Male 4,253
Yeah, like melcervini said, I would recommend against it. We have had it for a very long time and it has only produced at least 3 generations of Proles, some violent and dangerous. I know some in the Inner Party and even the Outer Party wanted that but it has backfired.
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Male 688
trimble You've been giving money only to the lazy not the hardworking.
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Male 4,253
snoopybg Yes, the hard working make their own money so they don't need the handout. I think if we took away the lazy's right to vote they would stop creating them and subsidizing their pittance and in fact have little to do with them after that, probably want to eliminate them.
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Male 688
I know I would pursue all the initiatives I've had to cancel due to not enough free time. I also know a lot of people who would grow a massive ass and stay home complaining they don't get enough free money.
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Male 1,197
snoopybg But it works in Star Trek.
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Male 1,590
waldo863  It only works in Star trek because basic needs (food, clean water, shelter) can be met without the need for any work at all and society in general understands that pursuit of higher learning, contribution to society and being productive by your own initiative are very important. 
The problem with trying that now is the multiple generations that have been taught the exact opposite.
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Male 2,703
I just can't...
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Female 4,591
we've been giving away "free" money in the US for decades... not really working out all that great.
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Male 8,063
I think I posted something about this about a year and a half ago when this idea was being floated around.  Basically all other social safety  nets are removed.  Everyone get's an income to spend as they see fit.  It's an interesting idea.  

To answer the question is it possible?  Absolutely.  Does it need checks and balances yes.  But in a future where service jobs will be replaced by robots, what do people who are only capable of being service people do for income?  Maybe Humans need to stop breeding because they can and now it only becomes breed what you need and breed science and intelligence?  This brings up all sorts of interesting ethical questions.
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Male 1,197
Sounds a lot like The United Federation of Planets, except instead of giving income to people, they just have a place to live, food to eat and things to do if they want to.
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