A Transgender Marine Comes Out, Tests Military's New Policy

Submitted by: trimble 1 year ago in Lifestyle
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I'll probably get shit by the usual suspect for asking this, but... With the forthcoming administration about to take over the White House, will this new policy -- the transgender policy (as outlined here by the Department of Defense itself) stand?

An excerpt from CNN:

The Tulsa, Oklahoma, native is utilizing the military's recently adopted "gender transition process," which took effect October 1. The policy, put in place after the Pentagon lifted the ban a few months earlier on transgender people serving, sets guidelines for troops who are transitioning to access healthcare. After Wixson completes his treatment plan, his name and gender will change in the Department of Defense database, and he can start dressing like a man and using male facilities.

The policy is part of the Pentagon's latest effort to make the military more inclusive, which top military leaders acknowledge is a work in progress. LGBT advocates applauded the military for taking the step but are waiting to see how the policy is fully implemented.

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Female 4,654
I'm not talking about carrying babies, I'm talking the endurance in the context of humping your 75+lb alice pack, your rifle, ammo, and water, 25+ miles or more, THEN put those abilities on the battlefield where you're being shot at.
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Male 1,058
@MelCervini ; in some ways, yes, I agree wth you. In other ways, not so much. Ex military myself, I absolutely agree that physical standards should not be lowered, for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. It goes without saying. I potentially disagree with yout assesment that this marine may not have the same physical capabilities of his/her (genetically) male counterparts.....as that is yet to be seen, or tested. It's neither proven or disproven....When I was in the army, all personell had to pass a BFT (basic fitnest test) every 12 months. Back in the early 90's, women were excluded from combat roles in the ADF...The BFT requirements were lower for women, than for men. Every male member also had to pas a CFT (combat fitness test) every 6 months. So female members, being excluded from combat ready roles, did not have to do that....however, I remember several, and one in particular, female members of my troop who insisted in taking part in the CFT, even though the results didn't effect her. Long story short, not only did she pass the BFT (to the male standard) and CFT, she did so easily. She wasn't the absolute best of the best, but neither did she just scrape through. She was mid to high range. And she was only a slip of a lass...but I watched in amazement whilst she picked up a 200 lb chap, with all his equipment on, threw him over her shoulder, and sprinted the required distance, well within the required time.....as a side note, she was also about 10 years older than most of us, and one of the classiest ladies I've ever met. All of us 19-20yo called her "Auntie Jo"......So, short story...your first sentence is my sentiment, and my opinion ends there.
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Female 4,654
I hear you and agree to an extent but (and this is nooo offense) but those are Army standards, not Marine Corps standards and while you knew of one that could "fill the jock" as we call it, thats ONE in how many? The female in the photograph (and I've looked up other shots of her) doesn't display the meat necessary to pull her weight in an infantry or other combat unit, she's just not. Its not bigotry or sexism, it is what it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
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Male 525
It also depends on just what treatment she gets. If it includes hormones (testosterone??) and steroids she could easily bulk up some. We have all seen female body builders so it is possible to get stronger.
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Female 4,654
good point, but I'm still not sold... those only increase the muscle structure she was born with. Hormones cannot give her a man's muscle structure, i.e. upper arm strength, endurance etc. and fyi.. body builder's strength sucks. Its not geared for anything but weight lifting. (watch a video with a professional arm-wrestler vs weight lifter and the shocked looks on the weightlifters' faces :D )
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Male 1,976
I have to call you out on one statement you made. It has actually been proven that women have considerably higher endurance than men. Yes, a man may be able to lift more weight than a woman, but the woman will be able to hold what she can lift longer than the man can hold what he can lift. Most "experts" agree that women have higher endurance to allow them to carry children for long periods of time. From personal experience, I know that my wife could always carry our kids for much longer than I could manage to if we were walking around at, for instance, a flea market.
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Male 4,382
I'm sure in a year or two this will make a very interesting rape story
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Female 4,654
if she can uphold the physical standards, go for it... but my question is, once you transition you're STILL not going to be able to hold up to the physical demands her "other male marines" are required to do and now you can get kicked out for it. UNLESS you go changing the standards and YAY now our military is weaker! The woman in that picture has NO chance in hell of carrying a fellow marine off the battlefield or ammo, weapons or other gear. She's a weak link on the front lines, so keep 'her' off the front lines and out of combat positions where PC can't get others killed. IMHO
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