Pence Was Booed, And Called Out At Last Night's Performance Of "Hamilton"

Submitted by: fancylad 11 months ago in News & Politics

Even if you're not a fan of musicals, Broadway, or anything in that universe, you've surely heard of "Hamilton." It's the incredibly popular musical created by Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Anyhoo, Vice President-elect Mike Pence decided -- now that he's big time -- to take in a Broadway show, "Hamilton." Unfortunately for him, he got booed upon arriving. Then, after the performance, Brandon Victor Dixon (the actor who plays Aaron Burr in the show) spoke directly to Pence from the stage after the curtain call.

“We, sir, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” Dixon said. “We truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out, but I hope you will hear us, just a few more moments. There's nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen,””

My guess is that Pence was shitting in his pants. He really probably though, "Why is this actor talking to me from the stage? I was not expecting this -- this isn't like the movies at all." Judging from the clip up above, it seemed like an incredible moment.

Pence could have acted like a man, stood there, listened to what Dixon had to say, but he pussed out and left the theater.

So the only question I have is, what in the fuck did Pence expect? If you're going to see a hip-hop Broadway musical, you have to assume the crowd is going to be fairly liberal. It's not like he was taking in a matinee of "Mein Kampf."

You should also know that Trump came to his boy's defense early this morning and demanded an apology. From who? He didn't say, he just wrote, "Apologize!"

If Trump thinks Dixon was rude, he and his boy Pence are going to have to develop a thicker skin. This is going to happen to Pence for the next four years, if not for the rest of his life. He better get used to getting called out on his shit every step of the way.

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Male 4,948
Australians! New Zillanders!  You're up. Where are you guys? It's 8:06 PM in Sydney--prime time. Let's go! Stop watching those Natalie Tran videos and make some chit-chat here. We're at 94 comments. Mush!  ~Squrlz simulates cracking a whip~
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Male 4,948
Explanation of Mush! to those not hailing from Canada or Alaska:  MUSH (interjection): Used to command a team of dogs to begin pulling or to move faster.  .... Yes, that's right: In my fevered excitement as we approach 100 comments, I'm now using dogsled commands. .... And don't think I don't know what you're all doing. You're all sitting on the sidelines, waiting for comment #99 so you can swoop in and claim #100. ~sigh~ Humans!
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Female 1,329
Here's another comment from me, there is a time and a place for everything. This was not the time, nor the place for this sort of "discussion" (or as I like to call it, ambushing), the audience members paid to watch a play, not a lecture. To me it's almost like breaking the fourth wall.
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Male 4,948
@abby0315: Thanks for commenting again, Abby. The fourth wall is something I had to look up, despite having acted in plays before (I even had a lead role in high school, believe it or not: yes, me, a squirrel--an actor!). Bear in mind that Dixon's address came after the curtain call; thus, the play was over and the fourth wall had evaporated. (You wrote "almost like breaking the fourth wall," so perhaps you're already ahead of me and that's where the almost came in.) Also, as another commenter waaaaaay upthread wrote, it isn't terribly unusual for a director or actor or writer to say a few words to the audience at the end of a performance. All that said, like you, I wasn't wild about the address and it did seem a bit  confrontational and showy (particularly Dixon's urging of the audience to turn on their mobile phones and start recording and tweeting: yuck).
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Female 1,329
Your welcome @Squrlz4Ever. I can see a member of the cast saying thanks to audience members for coming or something significant about the play itself, but to ambush an audience member, which Pence was, is way beyond the pale. It's not appropriate to put the theater light on that person or to anyone at all.
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Male 4,948
And we are now just nine comments short of an even 100. Long-time lurkers, now's your chance. You guys could be the ones to get the comment tally to three digits for the first time in ages. Go for it. We don't bite. (Well, at least squirrels don't. Humans? You take your chances.)
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Male 40,764
From Pence: 'I nudged my kids and reminded them, that’s what freedom sounds like…I wasn't offended by what was said,' said Pence in an interview on Fox News Sunday. >>> Sounds like he really 'shit his pants' eh? Didn't know what was going on, was too stupid to know that liberals & leftists would attack him in public where ever he went, eh? Zomg...
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Male 4,948
I think Pence's comment to his children was superb. In fact, I think it's probably the best thing that came out of the whole episode, better than the address from actor Brandon Victor Dixon and much, much better than Trump's imperious "Apologize!"
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Male 4,948
Well, yeah, I can see how you think these two events are exactly similar. Broadway actor from the stage: "Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do...." versus some unknown psychopath screaming from the balcony: "We won, you lost, get over it,  fuck you!”  .... I mean, the two addresses were virtually identical in tone. ~rolls eyes~
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Male 4,948
Dagnabbit... my comment above was intended for @elkingo. Sorry, guys. It's frickin' cold in here. Someone pass me a tea and an acorn.
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Male 10,855
https://www.enjoymedia.ch/images/kikkerland/tee_ei_eichel_kikkerland_03.jpg Amazing things you can find with Google!
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Male 4,948
Get outta here!  That's amazing. Now I know what I want for Christmas.  :)
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Male 5,620
Liberal hypocisy at its finest folks: https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/11/trump-supporter-hamilton-actors-cry/
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Male 4,948
Elkingo, re-reading my comment, I'm struck by the unnecessary snark and sting. While I stand by the point I was making, I didn't need to make it that way. I apologize for the tone.
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Male 4,948
I think we should go for an even 100 comments. It'll look cool on the main screen. Someone say something to 5Cats.  :)
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Male 1,683
" then gets upset when the people he will be tasked with taking care of voice their perfectly legitimate concerns", Kind of like Obama not addressing the violence in the recent rioting. Typical liberal one sidedness. And he did not turn his back and walk away he left the theater like every one would. Why do you think he had some obligation to address a personal attack and that is what it was. As I have said before a person that is a so called writer and oritator he could have given the same speech in a less confrontational manner yes he was in his house is that how you treat people in your house. to quote a Karl Rove article may be he should have put it some thing like this, “We, sir, are the part of the diverse nation that is America. With the election now past, we all hope for your administration’s success in defending our planet, our children, and the inalienable rights of every American. We are grateful you came and hope this show inspires you as you work on behalf of all the people of our common country.” This is a more proper statement to the incoming Vice President, how would the left responded to the same treatment to one of yours. "It was ironic that that Brandon Victor Dixon, the actor portraying Vice President Aaron Burr, who killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel, delivered the rebuke. Burr was later suspected of having conspired to traitorously divide the western states and territories from the nascent United States." Again Mr. Rove's observation.
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Female 8,056
Pence is going to be the VP in an administration possibly with a bunch of racist neo-nazis..... lets not understate the fear.... they told the guy they were scared. So am I...I don't live there.
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Female 8,056
Actors tend towards the political, and calling out Pence in a measured and pleasant manner is okay, its what they DO. Pence could easily, so very easily have acknowledged them and politely allayed their fears- the fact that he didn't makes me question his ability to actually be a polititian. However- for Trump to take to Twitter is quite frankly just a disgrace- and that kind of behaviour could get him into a lot of trouble. Trump just got a very important job for which he is supremely unqualified, he has then appointed the most worrisome bunch of extreme nut jobs to help him DO the job and then gets upset when the people he will be tasked with taking care of voice their perfectly legitimate concerns - I can see things going very very wrong indeed. I feel so very sorry for his wife as well- I'm pretty certain she didn't expect this to happen.
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Male 20,917
Pence could have become a hero overnight by addressing Dixon and saying something like, "I hear you" or "I understand your concerns," but he turned his back and walked away. He was never in physical harm.
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Male 40,764
Oh seriously? No matter WHAT he said or did: A) he would have been shouted down by those booing him. B) The MSM would have ripped him apart for 'arguing' or interrupting or showing his white privilege or whatever bullshit they can throw at him. It was a 'no win' situation for him, he knew that, he's seen it a hundred times before, he did not shit his pants ffs... >>> Again I ask: WHAT precisely could he have done, realistically, in that hostile situation? Walking away is a sign of strength and courage when facing an unprovoked, ambush attack like that.
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Male 5,470
woah, i-am-whiny much?
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Male 3,446
http://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pence-response-hamilton-booed-2016-11 From the man himself. "I wasn't offended" and "That is what freedom sounds like" So, as much as I disagree on the man's stance on Gay Rights and Women's Rights, I cannot complain about any thin sknned-ness on his behalf.
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Male 87
If you believe that the 2nd Ammendment must be preserved at all costs, you have to give the same consideration to the 1st Ammendment.  Also, Trump has to stop being thin skinned.
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Male 20,917
Thank you! Thin skin is going to crack Trump's admin. Every time he demands an apology or flips out of disrespect of him or his staff, it shows weakness. I was never crazy about Obama the President, but he conducted himself like a nurturing, caring, thoughtful human being, and when he was attacked (ahem, birth certificate), he didn't demand apologies because Trump hurt his feelings.
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Male 87
This was far from a personal attack.  If it was, I hope that when I'm "personally attacked", it is done with that level of civility.
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Male 3,446
You people who are complaining that this was uncalled for at this event have never participated in theater or have actually never been to a performance. It is not uncommon for a director or actor or even a costume designer to give a speech at the end of a performance about their personal take on the material. This was no different and honestly not offensive in any way. It was simply a message of acceptance and one that reiterates the plays meaning. Because it was directed to one person is meaningless, Pence came into their house and yes that is how the performers view the theater, their house and was given a personal message of acceptance. Something he needs because anti-gay message he spreads is no longer acceptable in our day and age and against the law to discriminate as such. Especially if you are going to be the vice president of the United States. BTW I understand Pence did listen to the entire speech from the lobby and was not offended ike his orange counterpart. That is the part to worry about, being told that we are not allowed to question our government.
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Male 402
Yes!  Wait, what...?  This diverse cast was put together with a casting call for "non-whites" only. Just sayin.
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Male 3,446
Ignore reply...stupid layout...
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Male 3,446
Because Obama or his family has never done any of the following: Pence stands against expanding rights for gay and lesbian couples. As late as the year 2000, Pence denied that smoking could kill you. "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill." Pence was an early opponent of President Barack Obama's directive mandating that schools allow transgender students to use the restrooms that they identify with. Pence has also indicated that he and President-elect Trump intend to "resolve" the order once they're in office. During his first run for Congress, Pence suggested that federal money used to fund research on HIV/AIDS should instead be diverted to programs that "provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." So-called "conversion therapy". Pence isn't just against gays and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces — he's also been critical of women serving. In the late 90s, before he was in Congress, Pence argued that "the hard truth of our experiment with gender integration [in the military] is that is has been an almost complete disaster for the military and for many of the individual women involved."
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Male 3,446
When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Plan Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or inc3st. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBT community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Female 1,329
Funny, Obama and family can have a night out and not get lectured. Democrat doing this, OKAY. Republican doing this, NOT OKAY, there will be riots, etc. Fair and balanced for sure. :(
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Pence authored a bill to defund Plan Parent, completely removing all federal funding from the group. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of [email protected] or inc3st. So Pence attempted to change the definition of [email protected] to include only what he described as "forcible [email protected]" Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBT community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 3,446
When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or incest. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBT community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 3,446
When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or incest. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBTQ community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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and continued... When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or incest. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBTQ community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 3,446
Because Obama or his family has never done any of the following: Pence stands against expanding rights for gay and lesbian couples. As late as the year 2000, Pence denied that smoking could kill you. "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill." Pence was an early opponent of President Barack Obama's directive mandating that schools allow transgender students to use the restrooms that they identify with. Pence has also indicated that he and President-elect Trump intend to "resolve" the order once they're in office. During his first run for Congress, Pence suggested that federal money used to fund research on HIV/AIDS should instead be diverted to programs that "provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." So-called "conversion therapy". Pence isn't just against gays and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces — he's also been critical of women serving. In the late 90s, before he was in Congress, Pence argued that "the hard truth of our experiment with gender integration [in the military] is that is has been an almost complete disaster for the military and for many of the individual women involved."
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Male 3,446
When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Plan Parent, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of [email protected] or inc3st. So Pence attempted to change the definition of [email protected] to include only what he described as "forcible [email protected]" Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBT community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 3,446
When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or incest. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBT community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 3,446
Because Obama or his family has never done any of the following: Pence stands against expanding rights for gay and lesbian couples. As late as the year 2000, Pence denied that smoking could kill you. "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill." Pence was an early opponent of President Barack Obama's directive mandating that schools allow transgender students to use the restrooms that they identify with. Pence has also indicated that he and President-elect Trump intend to "resolve" the order once they're in office. During his first run for Congress, Pence suggested that federal money used to fund research on HIV/AIDS should instead be diverted to programs that "provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." So-called "conversion therapy". Pence isn't just against gays and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces — he's also been critical of women serving. In the late 90s, before he was in Congress, Pence argued that "the hard truth of our experiment with gender integration [in the military] is that is has been an almost complete disaster for the military and for many of the individual women involved." When Republicans took back Congress after the 2010 Tea Party wave, Congressman Pence authored a bill to defund Planned Parenthood, completely removing all federal funding from the group. Pence was even willing to take extreme measures in getting it passed. When asked if he'd be go as far as to shut down government over it, Pence responded in the affirmative: "Of course I am." Under federal law, the only exceptions for which abortion can be performed with federal funds is in case of rape or incest. So Pence attempted to change the definition of rape to include only what he described as "forcible rape." Mike Pence gained notoriety in 2015 for signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. The law made it possible for businesses within the state of Indiana to discriminate against members of the LGBTQ community based on their personal religious beliefs.
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Male 1,683
zap rowsdower You never heard of walking in to an ambush? Did you read all the posts, one made the statement that's it normal to give a shout out to your homes this was not one, It was a organized ambush to embarrass the incoming vice president. If you have any insight the last two lines are self explanatory, in reference to the statement "My guess is that Pence was shitting in his pants" what he did was be a gentlemen and leave the theater with out making a big thing out of it. Holygod Pence is a very religious person unless ya'll have had your head in a toilet you would know that its a no no in the bible. So this is a difference in opinion and the government is not run by one person, how many of these supposed discrimination laws were passed.. All so Holygod do you know what enforce means, that would imply to me that he was enforcing the law. And create means that he was trying to pass law, again not against the law if you don't like the law that's what legislation is for, to change it if the people want it changed. I'd be willing to bet that there have been laws passed that you did not like but is still enforced.
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Male 40,764
Zap used to make relevant, even intelligent comments here. Unfortunately, he is no better than (and might actually be a sock-puppet for) Mars II in his endless, empty headed trolling. :-< Too bad! Not sad to ignore him entirely. He's just a hate/reaction troll now. Better than the stalker, but not by much... I no longer waste my breath on their ilk.
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Male 3,410
compliment accepted
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Male 469
Pence hates diversity so much that he goes to a play with a multi-cultural cast?
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Male 1,683
Do you think that Lincoln would have gone to Fords theater if he knew he was going to be shot in the head. Its one thing to shout out to your homes and another to tell some one thy don't think you will obey the constitution and and protect a portion of the country just be cause of the difference in opinion, you would think that a professional orator and writer could have made a better effort at making his point with out being so accusatory. Would it have been better to get in to a yelling match, he did what every one does at the end of a play he left.
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Male 40,764
Well said casaladana! I agree and support every word of this! you said what I thought, and did a better job than I could have done, in fewer words!! O_o Lolz! Notice how the stalkers and trolls have NO reply to your words? Only assaults and slanders... typical. Oh, and change the subject! An all-time favorite of those with nothing to say for themselves... deplorable!!
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Male 9,767
It isn't just a difference of opinion. Do you guys honestly not know that Mike Pence has repeatedly tried to create or enforce government legislated discrimination against Gay people?
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Male 3,410
your words make no sense and add nothing to the narrative.  how does lincolns assassination have any sort of metaphorical relation to any of this. some sad attempt to be funny? and if our second in command is so easily hurt and bewildered then i cant wait till the serious shit happens in the world. trump and pence in a panic room tweeting out insults and threats.
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Male 4,948
I've been avoiding this thread because I'm not sure how I feel about the incident. On the one paw, it does seem like a violation of privacy for an actor to accost Pence like that, particularly when Pence had already been booed at length by the audience.  The fact that Pence crept back into his seat post-intermission after the lights were dimmed, so as to avoid creating a disturbance, tells me he did not want to be put in the spotlight and didn't want to create any scenes; quite the opposite. To call him out from the stage, all these things considered, does seem more than a little in-your-face. On the other paw, the message delivered from the stage was mild and inoffensive. An adequate response would have been a simple wave of the arm to convey, "Thanks for the message. Don't worry--we're all Americans." Also, "Hamilton," the play, is all about celebrating diversity and immigration. If you have a long history as a politician of making statements that appear to be in opposition to diversity, showing up at that particular play and expecting nothing but a warm and fuzzy reception is a bit clueless, frankly. It is not at all unusual for actors to make a shout-out to dignitaries in the audience; in fact, it's a bit of a tradition. Pence and his team should have gone in better prepared.
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Male 8,550
Agree with everything you said except for ' "Hamilton" is all about celebrating diversity'. This is the play that put out a casting call for 'non-white actors only'. Now I realize liberals consider any discrimination against whites to be the very definition of 'diversity', but to any intelligent individual it is not.
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Male 9,767
You understand that was only for certain roles right? Roles that were written SPECIFICALLY to be minorities? It wasn't for the whole play. There are plenty of white actors in Hamilton. Casting calls specify sex, age, race, body type all the time to get the right fit for the role.
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Male 8,550
If you're hiring for the roll of Barack & Michelle Obama, I would expect a call for 'black or mixed actors only'. If the roll was for Dr. Ruth, I would expect 'old women <5' only'. If for Andre the Giant, I would expect 'big ugly motherfuckers only'. Not 'non-short, non-blonde, non-pencil necked geeks only'.
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Male 8,550
I'd be pissed if they had worded a call as 'Non-blacks' only, also. As Plays and Movies are hiring for specific parts, and parts are usually highly specific, it's a requirement to be discriminating (not to be confused with discrimination). The part of Ron in Harry Potter pretty much had to go to a Ginger. The part of Mandela absolutely had to be a black guy. I recall the fake fury of 'Robert Downey Jr. playing a black man' in Tropic Thunder...when in reality he was playing a white actor playing a black man...which was funny as hell.
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Male 9,767
I agree with you on that. But the part was not for a black man, asian man, middle eastern man, or hispanic man, specifically, it was just for anyone not white since it was about what its like to be a minority in America.
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Male 12
*Lurks in, reads @Squrlz4Ever's comments. Takes heart in the fact that the forum has at least one person (er, inhabitant of earth) that seems rational and even-keeled in what they read and how they respond. Sends wishes to the squrl that they will has a warm nest this winter and that the nuts be ever plentiful. Lurks out*
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@mistaza: Thanks! The leafy open-air nests of summer are just a memory now, having been blown down by a cold wind several weeks ago. I've moved back inside my oak tree hollow, awaiting the first snowfall. Acorns cached in a half-mile radius? Check! Winter coat grown in? Check! Extra layer of hibernation fat? Check! Warm wool sock stolen from some lady's clothesline? Check!  I think I'm all set.
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Male 7,941
What exactly did they say that was so controversial or rude? The message was one of inclusion? What the hell is wrong with that?
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Male 4,099
@normalfreak2: "What exactly did they say that was so controversial or rude?" Firstly, it wasn't a political forum, Mike Pence was trying to simply enjoy a night out with his family, not get called out politically. Secondly, Dixon insinuated that only the non diverse America voted for Trump and Pence. He also insinuated that Pence was not planning to protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights. Think for a second if say Bernie Sanders became president and Dixion was apart of the Tea Party so he singled him out after this show and insinuated that only the non-patriotic America voted for him and also insinuated that Sanders was not planning on protect us, our planet, our economy, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, simply because Dixion had a different political ideology. Would you honestly still find nothing wrong and view the message as one of inclusion. Remember it was only 3 days ago that Jesse Waters crashed Bernie Sanders book signing and it was Sanders who refused to comment and had security remove Waters. In my view their is a time and a place for everything, I didn't agree with Waters and I don't agree with Dixon.
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Male 1,049
@richanddead re the first 2 lines of your prior post...irrespective of which party MP is in, or his politics, or what brand of soap he uses, the simple fact of the matter is that he is the VP-elect. There is no such thing for a person in that position to have a night out with the family, and not be called out on politics. Everything in this mans life, from the time of the concession the day after the election, to the time that he retires from office (or his term expires) is political. There IS no private life, it's ALL politics. Rightly or wrongly, and, tbh, I don't think that's fair. But, it's a fact, it's par for the course for the position he chose, to whit, running not only for public office, but also accepting the nomination as a VP candidate. Such a high profile position puts every aspect of someones life under the microscope, and a political viewpoint is attributed to everything said, everything done, and even everything thought about....as I said, I don't consider this to necessarily be fair or right, but hey, we're adults...this is the way things work, regardless of what nationality or party affilliation one has....2c
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Male 40,764
Buttersrules: Obama did it all the time... funny that the 'rules change' the minute the political party does, eh? Pence isn't even in office yet, but his life, and the lives of his family, are over? Do tell!
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@buttersrules: I'd say from a realistic standpoint I understand what your saying, especially considering the divisiveness of our current political climate. Any celebrity should expect that they are going to be call out any time they go into public, but I don't think that makes it right. In the same respect, any woman who gets raped in Saudi Arabia should expect to be arrested if they report it, even if I don't think that's right either. It's not right, but it's what one should be prepared for. I think you're correct in that aspect. Although simply because people should've expected it does not mean we should condone it. When Bill Clinton gave a speech at my college, he should've expected that some right-winger would interrupt him and call him out, but I made sure that I didn't even though I was right in the front. I've seen Elijah Cummings several times even walking out on the sidewalk, but I never called him out (and believe me I definitely had the urge to), because I felt it would be wrong to do so. I view it like a drunk getting angry because they somehow feel slighted and so they start making a scene. They'll having no remorse and they'll attempt to justify their actions by claiming that the person they started screaming at "had it coming." I think it's realistic to say that our society is becoming drunk on politics and so with it slips our inhibitions of dignity, decency, and respect, but once again that doesn't mean we should condone it.
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Male 4,099
@normalfreak2: I never said it was on the same level as rape. It's in the the same respect because I believe both instances are morally wrong but realistically should be expected. I thought I had made that point pretty clear. Did you really think that I was saying that the ethical severity of rape is akin to a drunken outburst or calling someone out when they are with their family? Is that really what you took from what I said? Come on your brighter than that, reread what I wrote. I don't believe it matters if their chance at meeting Pence was unlikely. Improprieties are not justified simply because the opportunity to conduct them was never better. If it was that important to them they could have invited him backstage, written him a letter, scheduled a meeting with him, or filed for a protest permit outside his office. Yet I stand by what I said about there being a time and a place for everything and this wasn't it. Also just so were clear Pence was not given a ticket and it was not paid for by Hamilton. Pence had contacted the owner of the theater, the Nederlander Organization, in advance to request several house seats for him and his guests and paid for them himself according to the Washington Post.
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Male 7,941
@richanddead Come on, Pence being called out on his publicly stated opinions is comparable to a woman reporting rape being arrested in Saudi Arabia? You are making quite the leap here. Butters rolled up what I wanted to say better than i was going to say it. Condone it or not your comparison is ludicrous. These people in Hamiton are the peons, to get an audience with the Vice President is VERY UNLIKELY. They took advantage of an opportunity. I wonder if he even paid for the tickets because there's a huge waiting list for this show for normals like you and me, If they gave him the ticket or if it was paid for by Hamilton guess what? They had EVERY right to call him out whenever they wanted. If he paid for this out of pocket I have a different opinion on it.
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Male 4,099
Scrolling down, I saw @elkingo link about how a drunk Trump supporter started screaming at them and the cast members started to cry. From a realistic standpoint, they should have expected that this would happen, but it doesn't mean we should condone it.
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Male 20,917
Good point -- when one is in an active presidential administration, it's not a 9 to 5 job -- it's 24/7 throughout the lifetime of the term. That's what you sign up for when you run for the White House.
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Male 9,767
Pence was a leading figure in trying to get a constitutional amendment to deny gay couples the right to marry. He voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination act that would have banned discrimination against people based on sexual orientation. He opposed ending Don't Ask Don't Tell. So he has been a leader in institutionalizing discrimination against gay people. Gay people have every right to assume he will continue to not protect them or their rights. Who has a reasonable assumption that Bernie wouldn't protect them? Is there some group Bernie has 2 decades of history discriminating against that I'm not aware of?
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Male 9,767
Hey man he went into their house. He fought against their rights and then went to their place. It would be like if I spent 20 years fighting against black people's right to marry, not be discriminated against at work, or serve in the military and then expected to be able to go to an NBA game and have them be cool with it.
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Female 4,436
was it a play or a political rally?
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Male 941
Exactly. No reason for him to be called out like that, no matter the message. What's rude about it is that it assumes that Pence NEEDED a lecture or a speech. He only needed it in the minds of the liberal propaganda machine.
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Male 40,764
If an entertainer 'calls out' Hillary or even asks a question about her? It's an international scandal!!! A career-ending violation of all that is decent. But calling out Pence is A-OK! Liberal Logic (tm) at it's finest.
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Male 40,764
Hi mistaza! Welcome to IAB! I do not read or reply to that person, he is a viscous stalker who has relentlessly attacked me here for over 2 years. (yes FancyLad knows about it but does nothing at all to control it) Thanks for finding the courage to speak up and tell him just how wrong he is, how filled with lies his comments are. For example: Susan Sarandon is being attacked too, not for being 'against Hillary' but for "not supporting her enough". Really? :-| And there's dozens if not hundreds of other examples the stalker refuses to admit exist. He is a bad person, but there's still good people here! Take courage and comment more often!
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Male 12
*Lurks in, reads @HolyGod's response. Contemplates on the fact that one prominent entertainer made some comments about Hilary, Dave Chappelle. Remembers witnessing the reaction about that afterwards. "He's a republican! He Supports Donald Trump! He Hates Hillary! (Alliteration unintentional here). Not Career ending, but the conversation turned ugly. Remembers that a conversation between the left and right will seldom meet in the middle, because people rarely see beyond the borders of their own ideology. Lurks out*
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Male 9,767
@5Cats Example. Please post an example where an entertainer asked a question about Hillary and it was an international scandal that ended their career. Come on. Back up your bullshit.
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Male 941
You are correct. Had this been done to Hillary by some more conservative group, it would have been an absolute outrage! I think the difference here is that Pence can probably handle it like an adult, so I'm not worried about it. I'm sure this won't be the last time it happens to him.
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Male 9,767
Well gee golly. Considering he is on record as saying gay couples are a sign of societal collapse forgive them for thinking he might not be super inclusive of their community over the next 4 years. I mean you do realize this is musical theater right? Probably one or two gays involved.
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Male 941
At first glance, yes they do.  However, without me knowing where to verify this and see the entire bills and what exactly they were about, I can't really just say that it is definitely discrimination.  I've seen too many times where people take one tiny segment of something and claim discrimination based solely on it while ignoring the real motivation behind it.
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Male 9,767
@cjeffblanchr OK. Fair enough. However it is much more than that. He was a leading figure in trying to get a constitutional amendment to deny gay couples the right to marry. He voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination act that would have banned discrimination against people based on sexual orientation. He opposed ending Don't Ask Don't Tell. Now do any of those qualify as discrimination in your opinion?
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Male 941
HolyGod, you and I have a very different understanding of what 'discrimination' is. If he said that gay couples are a sign of societal collapse, then I have to agree with him. This can be argued historically. So, I agree with him on that, and so according to you I discriminate against gay couples, right? The thing is, I don't. I don't care if people are gay, get married, have orgies covered in peanut better... I don't give a shit what other people do. So how is this discriminatory? Just because someone argues a point of view does not mean he/she hates gay people and wants to take anything away from them.
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Female 4,436
then they should take their concerns to HIS place of work, not drag their personals into a paid-for performance where others came to enjoy the raved-about performance ( and btw Hillary and 0bama both condemned gay marriage but the useful idiots still lined up to suck both their dicks when they flip flopped), so their concerns are utter bullshit. They're just "convenient" at this point to further their agenda rather than seek acceptance and equality because only the brainless sheeple think that a sitting president and his vice have the power to do all the chickenlittle shit they're squawking about.
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Male 9,767
@cjeffblanchr When you are the second in command of the most powerful country on Earth and you have a blatant history of discrimination against 5% of the population it rises above a simple "different opinion". Once you are in a position of power to affect policy your opinions are public access and the public has a right to question them.
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Male 941
Him having a different opinion than them doesn't excuse rudeness. And it is undeniably rude when someone goes to see a show for everyone to start lecturing him. It is out of place and uncalled for.
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Male 40,764
WHY would Pence 'shit his pants'? What possible reason would there be? Do you IMAGINE he has never once faced deranged DNC fanatics before in his political career? Not once? Fuck no, those people are everywhere and spend their lives finding and attacking Republicans who are elected or even dare to run for office. HE KNOWS what the game is: he walked away, like a man should, not shout back in a room full of people who came to SEE A SHOW not witness political debate, ffs! >>>What ELSE should he have done? Applauded sarcastically? You'd be shitting on him if he did that too. Fight back? More outrage! Turn the other cheek? You still object, how deplorable.
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Male 20,917
I'm just going by what I've heard -- I'm not going by what you're calling rumors spread by the liberal media.          I know that Trump grabs pussies, and walks up to women he wants to fuck and kisses them because I HEARD undoctored video of him saying so. I also know that Trump demanded an apology from Dixon because he tweeted it out this morning.          Trump thinks grabbing pussies of women he doesn't know is cool, but an actor taking a rare opportunity to voice his concerns in a calm, measured tone to a VP-elect is harassment even though Dixon is protected by the First Amendment (Oh, the irony that "Hamilton" is about American politics). @5cats, please make sense of that for me -- why are Trump supporters are OK with Trump's self-admitted sexual molestation of women, but they're up in arms because some actor took the opportunity to voice his concerns for the future of America?                     All that said, I'll repeat myself: If Trump's regime things something this benign is chickenshit, Trump supporters are going to have a very difficult four years.
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Male 4,099
@fancylad: Trumps supporters were not OK with Trump's self-admitted sexual molestation of women. Even Mike Pence, publicly said he was not ok with it. "As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the eleven-year-old video released yesterday. I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend him." Personally I don't think Trump supporters are going to have a very difficult four years, judging by all the temper-tantrums the Hillary supporters like yourself are having, I'd say it's going to be you guys who have the difficult four years.
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@richanddead, I get what you're saying -- very well thought out and written. But here's what made me angry about this entire Hamilton thing: Trump demanded an apology because he felt Pence was disrespected, yet Trump as yet to apologize once for admitting he's a sexual predator (he admitted it on The Howard Stern Show, and he was caught talking about grabbing pussies, kissing strange women he'd want to fuck, he creeped out on the Arianne Zucker, and never once apologized. Trump has no fucking right demanding anyone from the cast to "Apologize!" when he hasn't apologized once for any of his well-documented atrocities. I think if Trump can show some humanity and apologize for his sketchy behavior, he might get some respect in return. Until then, expect a pissing match between Trump supporters and the rest of the world. It in your boy's court -- he's the president, let's hope he leads by example.
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Male 40,764
Sounds like far more of an apology than Billy or Hilly ever gave to all those women he assaulted... :-) So FancyLad, he DID apologize, cool yes?
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Male 4,099
@fancylad: Look, I said it before and I'll say it again. I wasn't a Trump supporter, I voted for Marco Rubio even though I knew I was wasting my vote and jeopardizing my party's future. That was a major decision for me because I knew the importance of the upcoming Supreme Court picks. I didn't like Trumps bombastic behavior and I'm very wary of his economic plan. Yet that doesn't mean I support the same behavior from the other direction and I don't fault anyone who did vote for him or Hillary. Also, you should be aware Trump did apologize for his comments: "I’ve said and done things I regret and the words released today on this more than decade-old video are one of them. These words don’t reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong and I apologize."
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Male 40,764
Absolute fact! We were NOT amused or made any excuses for Donald's past. However? We looked at it objectively and made an informed decision. Unlike Hilly-bots who simply swallowed the shit the DNC fed them and said it was chocolate ice cream... Comparing a 'bull session, off camera, between guys' to years of deliberate smearing and attacking of women bringing forth valid rape complaints? Not even close! Apples to aardvarks.
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Firstly: A 'bullshit session' of two guys 'taking tough' about things, egging each other on (which was partially edited out, which shows just how biased the MSM is) is NOT the same as Bill physically raping multiple women many times. ok? And Hillary knew, she knew everything from even before they got married. She attacked those women accusing him with deliberate malice of forethought, not 'off the cuff, OFF the record'. >>>Trump can demand an apology until he's blue in the face, it's America, Dixon is free to spout shit while at work and Pence is free to walk away from it. >>> MY point is that they ARE used to it: being attacked from the liberal-left at every turn. Why do YOU think Pence 'shit his pants' over such a trivial matter? That's the question. You are aware the DNC has been pushing the ludicrous idea that Trump and Pence 'don't know anything about politics' and are somehow disqualified from holding office because of that. The reason Trump WAS elected is because he is NOT a professional politician! But the MSM and DNC (sorry to be redundant) simply cannot grasp that fact. It MUST be racism! Has to be!! Why else would Hillary not get 75% of the votes? It's un-possible!
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Male 20,917
What does Bill Clinton have to do with Trump grabbing pussies? It sounds like you don't have a defense for this one, and you don't that's fine, but we should rewrite the rules for Trump's next four years now: Grabbing pussies, kissing women he wants to fuck, establishing fake colleges to bilk Trump fans out of money -- these things are all OK now as long as the Trump regime is in office because Trump's not a professional politician. He's just a rich, normal guy and the old rules of common decency don't apply to him.
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Hillary! She KNEW what Bill did, and not only condoned it? She HELPED HIM do it! To get away with rape, to cover it all up, to actively attack the women brave enough to come forward. Bill was fine with hiding behind the skirts of his women. But Hillary was also fine with his behaviour, which is far worse than what Trump ALLEGEDLY did. >>> Donald ran against Hillary, who did those things, and against Bill who (obviously) supported Hillary and campaigned for her too. So what Billy and Hilly did to women in the past is FAIR GAME if Donald's mistakes and indiscretions are, ok? >>> You think Bill isn't rich? He's been a millionaire since the Governorship dude... no they were never 'flat broke' lolz!! That was (get this!) a bare-faced LIE...
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Male 9,767
@5Cats wait are you saying that 75% of the votes went to someone other than Hillary or are you saying the DNC and MSM think 75% should have gone to her?
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Male 9,767
@5Cats So the women that came forward and accused him are liars? But the women who accused bill are all honest? Weird how everything works out that way huh. Once again, only one woman has accused bill of rape. Just because you don't understand what "rape" is doesn't mean you get to just lie repeatedly.
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BTW: this idea that Pence 'shit his pants' plays directly from the DNC attack memos: that Trump and Pence have NO IDEA what it means to be President and VP. NONE! For example? Allegedly: Obama had to tell him simple things that every school-child knows, but Trump was completely ignorant of! >>>Of course NO examples are given, this is pure speculation, slander, propaganda. It is an OBVIOUS LIE and that's what the lefty-liberals love the most! So easy to repeat them. Pence shits himself IN TERROR when VERBALLY ATTACKED in a public place? Like that never happened hundreds of times to him already? Give me a break...
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Male 40,764
Mr.Dixon is an unprofessional coward. Rather than say what he thinks openly, or in person, where Pence could discuss or even defend himself? He attacks him, insults and accuses him from the stage. How is Pence supposed to reply? That is being a bully: attacking those who cannot defend themselves. Chickenshit move from a typical liberal-leftist.
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Male 9,767
@5Cats perpetually full of shit as always. Openly or in person? I'd say that was pretty openly on a stage in front of thousands of people. Where Pence could discuss? The guy is the VP elect of the United States you think an actor in a musical is getting a 1 on 1 with him anytime soon? He attacked and insulted him? Is this why you always say you are being attacked? Is it because you don't know what the word attacked means? "We're worried that you won't defend us but we hope you'll work on behalf of all of us" Which part of that is an attack?
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Male 3,410
don't worry did you hear trump tweeted he's butthurt about it and will probably sue
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Male 20,917
PLEASE point out where Dixon attacked and/or insulted Pence? Pence had every opportunity to defend himself -- he could have just raised his hand, and acknowledge Dixon's concern. That's it. Instead, he pussed out and ran.         I knew this incident would piss off Republicans/conservatives because it's bad if an actor gives a measured, thoughtful plea to Pence -- a grown man who can defend himself -- but everything's cool if Trump grabs pussies. If Trump's regime thinks something this benign is chickenshit, they're going to have a very difficult four years.
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Male 3,410
bingo and people think democrats are whiny and sensetive.. wow yeah seems trump and comp. are easily bruised
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Oh yeah, the theater patrons, which were BOOING HIM would have quietly and respectfully listened to him... in a pigs eye. Just like the 'protestors' who were undoubtedly picketing outside would have calmly let him speak. Nope. >>> Dixon assumes Pence is either too stupid to understand what the play was about, or too racist to listen to a Negro, or too anti-American to agree with the basics of democracy. I'd call that pretty insulting. >>> You haven't said what he realistically could have done Fancylad: and no, having a calm discussion in a crowded and hostile theater like that is NOT an option, nor would it be proper for Pence to 'steal the spotlight' from the performers, which Dixon had no trouble doing...
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Male 20,917
I was hoping you'd point out where Pence was attacked or insulted. You just proved that there's no way Trump's administration or his supporters are not ready for four presidential years of this -- thin skin.
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Male 9,767
@fancylad he's batshit crazy. He always has been. What do you expect? When you view the world through such an insanely biased prism EVERYTHING liberals do is bad and EVERYTHING conservatives do is good. $10 says he'll be saying the people who spray painted "Go Trump" and swastikas on the Beastie Boy's memorial park were REALLY liberals trying to make Trump look bad.
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Female 4,436
classy
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Male 3,410
uhm if hillary goes to a gun show shes gonna get booed this guy goes to a broadway show, what does he expect.
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Male 9,767
Walking out on someone speaking passionately to you? Is that what you mean? If so I assume sarcasm? Not very classy at all.
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Female 4,436
no, turning a play into a political grandstand... and yes the 'classy' was sarcasm.
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Male 3,446
Considering the performance of Hamilton is a politically based script, I'd say this speech was warranted.
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Male 402
Because they make this speech at the end of every performance? No? Why this performance then? And remember this cast is the result of a casting call for "non-whites" only.  So brave.  So diverse.
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Male 4,099
I agree with @MelCervini, this was not the forum to spout their own politics. I wouldn't have condoned it even if he was a republican telling Hillary that they were "alarmed and anxious" that she doesn't protect the rights of unborn children. It's not the place to do it.
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Male 9,767
Its THEIR play. They can do whatever they want. The guy wrote, directed, and starred in the thing. If he has a message he can deliver it however he wants at the end of his play.
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