Quick Note About The Message Boards From Fancy [Pinned]

Submitted by: fancylad 11 months ago Tech
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Hey I-A-B... just a quick note to get you up to speed.

So after researching several different third-party comment thread products on the market, Sunny and I have decided on one -- disqus if you're curious. It seems like a solid choice.

Speaking of the comment threads, just keep it civil in there. Debating and and discord is great, but hold off on the personal attacks. Do we need mods? We're all sorta just self-policing right now -- I'm cool with that with you are, but if we need a couple mods, let me know.

OK, go out and get some sun, fancy.

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There are 367 comments:
Male 2,390
oh man it's good to be back.. side note @fancylad - why now https on this site. It really sucks that I have to browse it anonymously when i'm on public wifi. Call it paranoia or whatever but still. I'd like to see my password a little secure.
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Male 38,063
where have you been? {don't say 'up a tree' }
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Male 2,390
Went on vacation with the family. Cell reception was sh*t and all I had was public wifi (which I'm completely paranoid about) and ended up surfing the webz anonymously for over a week. So many comments on posts I wanted to make but d/t lack of security in wifi I kinda just watched from the sidelines.
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Male 38,063
So, what happened with Disqus ? Are we switching over?
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Male 892
What the fuck is up with "your comment is awaiting moderation"?
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Male 3,440
Some "buzz" words trigger the moderation filter. As of now, Fancy is the only one able to moderate, at least until the comment section gets that facelift this post is talking about. Just wait, 99% of the time your comment will just "appear" out of the thin air.
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Male 982
@fancyclad ...recent comments by myself have had the message, at the bottom, asying "Your comment is awaiting moderation".On one hand, fair enough, but on the other, not so much. My grandmother used to say 'piss, or get off the pot'. She was a classy lady. IMHO, either don't moderate, and let comments be posted directily, or not. If moderation is required, that's your call, fair enough. But if that's the case, have a mod team, stretched out over different time zones, like it used to be years ago (yourself in the US, Davymid in EU, plus others Iirc there was an aussie or a kiwi as a mod at some pont as well, but I might be misremembering). If someone on one side of the world posts something mid evening their own time, particularly in a direct response to someone elses comment, it shouldn't have a 6,7,8 hour or more delay to be approved, just because the one and only mod is asleep in sunny California....
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Male 434
Jesus, so many IAB "regulars" have turned into a bunch of pansies.
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Male 5,620
Wait tell the Saturday night "hug it out" meeting. Come nude.
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Male 37,052
Can I wear my "fur suit"? :-) I self-identify as a cat after all...
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Male 416
Will there be separate Conservative and Liberal bathrooms at the meeting, because I don't want any conservatives staring at my penis and/or vagina.
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Male 982
I love maths and statistics, I just thought I'd share some with you....prior to this comment, there are 337 other comments in this thread. By my count (which may potentially have error, it's late here, and I've been drinking), 5cats has commented 98 out of 337....29% of the comments in the thread. To be fair, in the red corner, is HG...83 comments out of the 337, coming in at 24.6%. Not a lot in it folks, it's coming down to the wire, and looks like it may end up as a phot finish.......seriously, 5cats and HG's comments make up 181 out of 337 comments...53.7% of comments in this thread. FIFTY THREE POINT SEVEN PERCENT!!...Really? Do I need to say it? Dudes....
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Male 37,052
Butters: this has carried over from another thread where I challenged him for slandering my disability. Something like that anyhow. Since this thread was pinned? It actually let us hash some shit out, which I hope means his stalking (as I see it) will come to an end under mutually understood terms. That is a positive thing! >>> As for others voicing their opinions on various subjects? That's what makes IAB a good place: BOTH sides are allowed to speak! >>> Notice that one side (liberals) have said here several times that my side (conservatives) should be censored, silenced and forbidden from expressing our opinions, eh? Funny that...
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Male 982
@5cats, "Notice that one side (liberals) have said here several times that my side (conservatives) should be censored, silenced and forbidden from expressing our opinions, eh? Funny that.." Well, I don't think that I have said that you should be sensored, silenced or forbiddien from expressing your opinion, even though in the past I may have called you out on several issues I vehemently disaagree with you on. I've been quite open about the fact that I'm not a conservative, hell, I'm not even a liberal. I'm a socialist, like it or lump it. What I alluded to in this thread, and have said openly in other threads, is that perhaps it would be best for BOTH sides to take a step back, draw a breath, and debate with logic rather than argue with emotion. I don't think that's a bad thing, hey? It seems to me that in so many ways in the US and CA, politiclal opinion and belief is so heavily black and white, and seperated on party lines. Dems vote dem becaus they're dems, republicans do the same, and vote on party lines, irrespective of the actual policies, or any opinion of the individual. In other parts of the world, voters tend to swing, based on policy rather than party loyallty. There seems to be more of a grey area, with consideration given to the specific policies after carefull consideration. Hell, I'm a self professed socialist, but in one particular election year, I voted conservative, because I believed that the tax reform plan (and some other policies) put forward by that party at the time would have been benificial for my countries economy, and that the conservatives, at that point, would have formed a better and more stable government than the leftists (who, normally, I would support, out of principle) were capable of. My reason for doing so was that I looked at the individual policies of all parties, and put aside any prejudices or party inclination I had, and determined which policies (rather than which party) I felt was best for future goverment. (ironically, in that election the LNP lost, but won government later. THey introduced the policy I initially agreed with, and it was a shambles, 'cos they changed it and warped it, and instead of helping, it hurt, hard.)
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Male 982
Accidental italics are the best type of italics. Just like accidental ejaculation is often the best type of ejaculation....hey, don't kink-shame me! You all know what I'm talking about!
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Male 3,057
I just popped back in because I noticed the italics... I also wanted to point out that I see 5Cats is still being a fucking hypocrite. I assumed that elkingo's mic drop would have finished him... apparently not. 5Cats is apparently the Keith Richards of IAB... been dead for years, but too damn high to realize it.
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Male 37,052
Yeah, something I typed broke the board. I've seen this in the old IAB and on other chat-sites, but we could edit out the mistake there, eh? >>>Elkingo is talking about a side issue, and his claim that Canadians have no right to speak about the American Government should make your head spin in disagreement. Let's put it this way @osirisascend are you, an American citizen NOT allowed to hold or speak an opinion on foreign governments? None on North Korea? Russia, China, Canada, UK? Not one! IS that true for you? Then why am I expected to obey such an idiotic "rule"? His personal story of overcoming adversity is inspiring, but if I could do that too? I'd have done it years ago... it applies to me as much as Bruce Jenner's sex-change does. If he can do it, why don't I do it too? Give me strength... :-/
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Male 7,961
Do you notice pretty much everyone thinks you are full of shit? Does that ever give you pause? Even for a moment?
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Male 37,052
Or how about this one (which has been thrown at me repeatedly, this is a variation) Are you, as a former (iirc) military person, NOT ALLOWED to EVER question or criticize the US Military. OR the Canadian military, Russian, Iranian, Israeli or the rest? Does that make any sense to you? Are YOU willing to obey such idiotic demands? I'm guessing... hells no! But hey, it's up to you if you want to follow the same demands against me which YOU seem to support. Or do you just have different rules for others, they don't apply to you, heck no...
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Male 416
I agree, though entertaining, the italics are totally harshing my snark.
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Female 7,842
I second Dracs suggestion... I don't mind a good barney but this is getting a bit silly now.
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Male 14,778
Please, for the love of [insert deity], unpin this thread before somebody gets hurt.
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Male 60
I agree. Just discuss the topics and try and play nice. We're all ome big IAB family here. No need to say hurtfull things to each other regardless of which position you take.
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Female 870
@fancylad one thing's for sure... if I ever log in and see the black background has changed, I'll shed an honest tear. IAB's black website has been a soothing break for my eyes at 2am when all other sites demand you burn your retinas in the obnoxious blue-white glow, no matter your brightness settings. Please never change the black.
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Male 3,995
@fancylad: Hey man, I'm trying to submit stuff to IAB but every time I go into the "member submit" page, I need to relog in. Then it takes me to the front page and the cycle repeats. Interestingly if I'm not logged in on the "member submit" page, and I press on the "latest" page I'm automatically logged in.
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Male 286
HolyGod/normalfreak2 2016
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Male 7,961
Hahaha. I'd love to accept you nomination. However I'm WAY too liberal to run as a Republican and way too conservative to run as a Democrat. Also, I'm on record as an atheist and America is not making one of those president for a long long time.
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Male 286
It's such a rarity to see people take the time to call out BS on message boards. I at least have to thank you for your service.
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Male 7,961
Hahaha. I'd love to accept you nomination. However I'm WAY too liberal to run as a Republican and way too conservative to run as a Democrat. Also, I'm on record as an atheist and America is making one of those president for a long long time.
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Male 38,063
pmarren..... pmarren? ... where are ya boy?
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Male 3,057
Hm. I know I'm not around nearly as much as I was in the good old Before Demand Media days, but I will say that 5Cats brings all of his sorrow on himself. IAB is a shadow of what it once was. I still pop in to browse content, but it seems like the "discussion" here is mostly 5Cats ranting about Obama. Why a Canadian is so obsessed with a lame duck U.S. President is lost on me. I miss most of the old mods and the actual conversations that took place in these threads. I find myself coming here less and less, and when I do, it's the same questionable "personalities" going on about the same shit they always go on about. I'm sure 5Cats will probably respond with his usual obtuse fake cheeriness, but I don't see responses to my increasingly rare comments (if there are any), because days or sometimes weeks go by now between my visits here, and I honestly don't remember what I may have commented on. Eventually that will stop too... :-/
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Male 37,052
Hi Osiris: sorry if my being nice to you offends you, that's kind of weird, yes? >>>I am being stalked by a hate-spammer who spreads lies about me. PERSONAL attacks are his daily routine. He has been doing this for months and even years here, but the specific attacks targeting the fact I'm disabled are sort of new. He's done this before to others though: attacking them specifically for being disabled. He was (briefly) banned for this before. >>>He admits to doing it to me (above, lost in the trees!) but feels it is perfectly justified. >>>If he attacked your skin colour? Not once but 100+ times? Would you be happy about that? If he told you that because you served in the Armed Forces? YOU cannot hold OR express ANY negative opinions about the US Government? Or on any foreign governments either? You'd just say 'ok' and obey? I somehow doubt that. >>>HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME, but still lectures me on how I should live MY life... without knowing if I am already doing so or not!! I want nothing to do with him, yet he's still stalking and attacking me, constantly, in the postings which follow this one. This is what IAB has degraded into: a safe place for liberals to assault anyone who they "feel" disagrees with them.
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Male 7,961
"a safe place for liberals to assault anyone who they "feel" disagrees with them." BULL SHIT. Its just you. Its not "anyone who they "feel" disagrees with them" @DuckBoy87, @richanddead, @Elkingo, you and i CONSTANTLY disagree. You ever feel like I've "assaulted" you?
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Male 37,052
Notice the names he leaves OFF his list? The ones he's repeatedly attacked and insulted? Yeah, typical. The lies just flow out of him: lies of deception, lies of omission, lies of accusation... And anyhow? That's not even related to what I was saying... change the subject, tell some lies, declare victory! stalker handbook: page 1.
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Male 37,052
In all honesty, a genuine question: how hard is it to NOT make unprovoked, unwanted, personal attacks and insults to a complete stranger? Day after day, week after week, month after month? The rest of IAB has no trouble NOT doing this, yet you've done it hundreds of times since IAB 2.0 started. Hundreds that I know of, with 2-3 non-attacks mixed in? Maybe? How about 'playing it safe' and just ignoring me? Which means no commenting at me or about me, which is what I've tried to do for you, and will continue to do regardless of your decision. You say you are done? Great! Let it be so! Bye. (this thread is not part of the problem, at least for me, it is outside of it that the 'not stalking' needs to start to happening... or not happen... whichever way works for you: just stop.)
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Male 37,052
(sorry for the accidental italics, IDK why, but it was something I did) I'm not basing my assessment on one thread, or even one week of conversations. You (stalker) have hounded me FOR YEARS here, and actively, aggressively stalked me for months now. He disagrees with me now and then, but is considerate and honest about it, mostly. That's all I expect, I try to mostly be the same. You? Nope. You've attacked me so often, HUNDREDS of times, and spread so many lies, it's not even remotely alike. >>> Let me be even more clear: I do not want anything from you. No advice, no sympathy, nothing. No contact at all is my request. Just stop stalking me (how-to is around here someplace) ok? THAT is all! >>>HOW and I supposed to sort out the ONE allegedly genuine comment from the HUNDREDS of lies, insults, attacks, sarcasms, which you constantly throw at me? WHY am I required to read or respond to ANYTHING you do or say? >>> I mean outside of this thread, ok? Is it clear now? I've told you several times, but I'll explain it again. Here? Where I've directly addressed you? Your replies and comments are "not stalking" at all, ok? I read most of them, I reply or not as I see fit. So do you, no problem. OUTSIDE of this thread? That is stalking. Even if it's not insulting or whatever? I will try to not read them, ever. I will only reply if they are particularly grievous lies or attacks, as is my right. >>> You want me to STOP MAKING SUBMISSIONS? No. If my posts "offend you" you are free to not read them, or to not comment on them, I won't complain about that! If you make polite comments about me? I still won't read them, but that is NOT what you've been doing for all these months, correct? >>> You don't want me to call you a stalker? Here's a quick and easy solution: stop doing the things I call stalking. Simple as Pi. Otherwise do whatever you like, no skin off my teeth. >>> If you honestly say you will stop? Then I look forward to it! But if you try to blame me for future stalking because you don't like my comments here? That is 'textbook' stalker-thinking. Just fyi, not saying you will do that, I honestly hope you stop and IAB can become a nice place to visit again. For everyone.
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Male 7,961
@5Cats "You said "I even tried to reach out to him..." which indicates some displeasure at me IGNORING you" Not at all. I just find it interesting that when I offer some advice, support, or encouragement like in your depression post or your cat store post you completely ignore me but in a post like this you respond 100 times. Clearly you like this better. "Hopefully your statement above means you will stop?" I was fine calling an end to it, however you have kept it going, so I'm happy to as well. "the end of the stalking" It isn't stalking. Not a SINGLE PERSON on this site has agreed that it is stalking even though you have begged and pleaded for someone to support you on it. You want me to stop commenting on your comments or submissions? Stop making comments and submissions. Otherwise I'll use my free speech to tell you exactly what I think of them as I would anybody else. Your pity party persecution complex aside, I'll reiterate that for anyone who truly has been stalked and knows how terrifying it can be, calling comments on a message board "stalking" is a fucking insult.
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Male 7,961
" And @Elkingo is far worse than YOU?" Let me be very clear. I don't think he's bad. I just think if you look at what we have said, in this thread, objectively, his comments were much more harsh than anything I've said. That's all. He basically told you to fuck off, get a job, and quit being a hypocritical bitch. I'm just amazed you don't think THAT is "attacking" you but my comments are. The prism you view the world through always shocks me.
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Male 37,052
Nope. Unless he further clarifies? (which is entirely possible) I think he's referring to your reference & is suggesting we have the same illness, not habit. It CAN BE taken either way, I don't deny that. But since the SUBJECT here is you attacking me for being disabled? Not our "arguing over the internet" then I think it refers to the thing you spoke of & my disputing that nonsense is valid. >>>Of course I might be wrong, but who cares? Just stop stalking and there's literally nothing left to worry about! Easy as Pi... QED (Quite Easily Done) and all that... >>>If he honestly thinks your stalking me is "less severe" than my trying to stop your endless, unprovoked attacks? That's his problem, not mine.
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Male 37,052
Stalker: So ASIDE from the HUNDREDS of insults and personal attacks? Other than those, and the direct attacks on my disability, OTHER THEM you've been a perfect gentleman? And @Elkingo is far worse than YOU? Fuck no, you are a stalker, although hopefully you'll stop now. >>> You said "I even tried to reach out to him..." which indicates some displeasure at me IGNORING you. Whatever! I don't care at all about YOU. Nothing YOU do interests me except: when you stalk, spread lies and make unprovoked direct personal attacks against me. THAT is obviously offensive and any reasonable person WILL BE requesting you STOP IT. And I have, repeatedly, and you've refused, repeatedly. Hopefully your statement above means you will stop? Only time will tell. It's VERY simple: stop stalking me. End of discussion. Change the subject all you like! I don't fucking care! Only 1 result from all this is proper: the end of the stalking. It's entirely up to you, but I'll happily ignore you until the cows come home as long as you stop the ENDLESS ASSAULTS against me. You literally have nothing better to do than insult and attack complete strangers? To lecture them on how THEY should live? I simply don't care why you do these things, for months and years on end, just stop! That is all.
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Male 7,961
@5Cats "This made him ANGRY because he thinks I should appreciate being stalked" Hate to break it to you, but that didn't make me angry. Not even sure where you drew that assumption from. I don't get angry much in general and certainly not by what a stranger says on the internet. I pity you. Pity and annoyance are the strongest emotions you've ever elicited in me.
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Male 7,961
"NO the stalker DOES NOT have the same illness, you've mis-read his bullshit. He made a single (one!) reference once to his wife having depression in her past." @5Cats since you have a severe reading comprehension problem, let me help you out, YOU'VE mis-read. He isn't saying I have an actual illness. He's saying we both have the illness of needing to respond to each other's comments on here.
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Male 7,961
@5Cats while I agree with most of elk's sentiments I fail to see how anything I have said is any harsher than that.
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Male 7,961
@5cats "Elkingo: Heck no! Not you dude. You're an OK guy for sure." While i totally agree with that sentiment and i like Elk, I'm surprised to hear you say that. In this thread alone he has said to you: “Stop posting here” / “mind your own business” / “you spend waaaaaay too much time on here” / “We would want you rehabilitated and back to work. We would want your benefits reduced, or cut off. We would want you to WORK. Full time. “ / “We find it insulting, degrading, and pathetic.” / “It is robbing our children of future taxation” / “cut off people who refuse to rehabilitate and go back to work” / “you are living a liberal life” / “You're a hypocrite” / “I find your hypocrisy utter horse-shit” / “You have no right to complain about them” / “You are making a mockery out of conservative beliefs by crying like a little bitch “ / “I find you offensive, trolling” / “fuck you” / “Either get off the draw, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and support your damn self, or politely shut the fuck up about American politics and policies. Either that, or quit crying like a beyotch when people point out how hypocritical you are being”
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Male 37,052
Oh heck, I've broken the rest of the thread... perhaps @Fancylad can fix it? If this doesn't work (putting the end brackets again might work...)
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Male 37,052
Ooops! A combination of a frowny face :->> made italics!! Ah well, it makes little difference, eh? :-) Perhaps It's like this?
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Male 37,052
Elkingo: Heck no! Not you dude. You're an OK guy for sure. There's a few new faces who seem to think the stalker is an excellent role-model, eh? >>> Zaprows: I've ignored him for months, once IAB 2.0 began, utterly without reply or response. Once he started attacking my disability directly? I've spoken to him 3-4 times total, asking him to stop. That is NOT "constantly bashing" anything, ok? Aside from saying "don't stalk me" a few times as well after he continued. But months of silence from MY end only drew MORE frequent attacks; MORE personal and vile than ever. Of course you don't know that, you'd have to have read most of this thread and most of the last time I spoke directly to him too :->>Man up? I've done that from the start: I said I'd ignore him and I have. It is HE who has made HUNDREDS of unprovoked insults and personal attacks, as opposed to none (zero) by me. I HAVE NOT spoken to him outside of the 3-4 times I've confronted a particularly vile attack on my personal life, like here & the previous one eh? >>> NO the stalker DOES NOT have the same illness, you've mis-read his bullshit. He made a single (one!) reference once to his wife having depression in her past. While stalking me, so I paid no attention to it. This made him ANGRY because he thinks I should appreciate being stalked (or something). ENTIRELY different, dude.
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Male 1,544
dude you need a vacation or something, or you're one of those people who thrives on angst and yelling. i doubt real people who are being stalked constantly keep bashing on the hornets nest of their stalker. dude you get off on it. dont play victim. its silly and pointless. and holy god has the same illness though it isnt as severe. like as entertaining as all this back and forth is its really sad. move the fuck on. and dont be like i cant move on cause etc etc etc. just let it go. in life there are people you're not gonna get along with man up and deal with it.
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Male 5,620
Lol. Seriously? Me and @HolyGod hardly ever agree on things. We have went around and around with arguments for years. The difference is neither he nor I take things personal, and we have a mutual respect for one another. He can disagree with me 100% and you will never see me whine. I wager he feels the same when I disagree with him.
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Male 37,052
And they are speaking up elsewhere, against the abuse you (stalker) and your ilk (those you inspire and encourage) and your unprovoked hate-spamming. Anyhow, what has the number of people got to do with anything? Facts and truth are not decided by vote: you made an unprovoked personal attack against me, which I maintain was directed at my disability. I have proven my case: you have not refuted one word of it. In fact you've confirmed (probably unintentionally) several parts of it. The case, the point, the meanings of words aren't up to a 'straw vote' (which has nothing to do with a strawman, fyi) they are facts. >>>When did I say "anyone"? What change of subject are you attempting this time? Anything but the topic eh? Your desperation is palpable... YOU asked for ONE and ignored the fact that several already have condemned your hate-spamming. They don't count (in your mind) because of their political views? What a joke.
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Male 7,961
Besides, you said "anyone". I only need one person to prove you wrong. I gave you 3. Who have I "assaulted" in your opinion?
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Male 7,961
READ THE COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD. That's all I have to say. The members of IAB have spoken. Deal with it.
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Male 7,961
"attacking them specifically for being disabled. He was (briefly) banned for this before" Let's clear this up real quick since you insist on bringing it up. I called out Crakr for the same hypocrisy I call you out on. He ranted and raved about taxes and government and social programs all the while living off a tax-funded government social program. In my opinion that's hypocrisy. I called him on it. Then you cried about it to fancy who banned me without even reading the comment. 2 other mods immediately contacted me and said Fancy made a mistake and they were working on it and I was un-banned immediately.
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Male 37,052
So it's 100% true. You've been doing this for years now. Thanks for admitting it. Stop Stalking Me.
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Male 7,961
Oh look, another IAB member things you're full of shit. How weird.
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Male 585
im just posting on here cause its the newest post and i want you all to read this. i just saw the new star wars and it was not good. thanks for telling the same story for the 3rd time. the magic is gone. you a$sholes even made george lucas say f it and f you. a dozen x wings attack a planet? didnt even feel like a star wars movie. phantom menace was waaaaaay better. not even 1 wow moment like in the podrace or the bigger fish scene. 1st order is like the head jock guy from revenge of the nerds with a "my daddy didnt love me" crybaby fighting for affection from mum-rah. luke with his over face acting like now he is gonna in an oscar for most facial expressions in a 1 minute scene and han being just glad to be done with this crap. general grievous is way better than....what? everything in that movie. if you felt the force in that movie its cause you forced it. but yea ive watched it 5 times now too.
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Male 2,362
The parallels to the first trilogy could have been more subtle, but I thought it was decent..I didn't hate it enough to watch it 4 more times.
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Male 3,440
I had been reading about why they heavily paralleled Episode IV. They wanted to remind people what made Episode IV great. From what I've read, Episodes VIII and IX will be their own continuation of the story. Basically, they made VII to be like IV to make people forget about I, II, and III, and to able to be more creative with VIII and IX
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Male 1,154
I do agree the space battle was a bit lacking, but there might have been reasons for the evils to not have a large navy. I just can't think of one.
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Male 2,592
I've been around for a little more than a decade on this site.. even though my attendance has been shitty lately (life happens). I love what you've done with the place recently. But please, PLEASE, don't turn this into Reddit with ban-happy mods. They are experiencing an exodus of users not unlike what happened to Digg because of the tight control of conversations, the censorship, the corporate shilling, the shaming of people for Wrongthink... I've never been banned from anything, I'd certainly not enjoy being banned from this place I've called my internet home over the years, because a mod disagreed with me. I very much enjoy the discourse that takes place here, it would be a shame if I came to IAB to see a nuked thread like on Reddit: [comment deleted] [comment deleted] [comment deleted] [comment deleted] I'd rage quit the damn internet at that point.
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Male 1,154
I suggest we create an IAB government of sorts. Set up a vote. To qualify you need to have been a member for one year, or longer. Everyone ranks their nominations in order. The top 6 vote getters will be the new ban council. If 3 or more users submit a moderation request within a 30 day period, the council will then vote on what to do. Fancy would retain tie breaking rights.
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Male 37,052
Since the bulk of the conservatives or even moderates have been driven off by the hate-filled assaults of the IAB Liberal Brigade? You idea is about 2 years too late kree_ >>>It's @FancyLads site, if he wants to let stalkers attack the disabled freely here? Spreading lies, gossip and hate-spamming? There's not a lot the rest of us can do about it. >>>Once the liberals ban everyone they dislike? They will rapidly turn on each other and that will be the end of IAB.
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Male 6,189
@5cats To suggest I-A-B is a liberal brigade is ridiculous. There are plenty of non liberal points of view on here, it's just you have to put everything in a box labeled "Liberal" or "Conservative" problem you have and other die hard Conservatives is you have such a narrow point of view everything that doesn't fit in the "Conservative" box goes in the "Liberal" box, thus skewing your point of view.
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Male 37,052
nf2: Apparently you don't understand: I am NOT saying IAB ITSELF is "a Brigade", ok? I'm saying there is a group of hard-core, hate-filled "liberals" who march in lock-step. They are the "IAB Liberal Brigade" ok? A name I made up :-) I don't need to label people here, who knows or cares? It is they who make frenzied attacks on ANYTHING "not liberal enough" in their bigoted opinions. And carry grudges for weeks and months over trivialities. It is simply a shortcut, a label some members earn. >>>These are, not by coincidence, also the members who make unprovoked attacks against others on a regular basis, among other bad habits they display.
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We should let Pmarren back. just a thought.
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Male 912
Amen Gerry. I don't agree about his lack of love for kittahs, I miss him too.
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Male 912
Let's not forget Old Ollie. I see him posting on the discus sites from time to time and he needs to come home.
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Male 6,189
Oldollie the batshit crazy tool, I kinda don't miss that troll.
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Any of us that have been here for any amount of time qualify as bat-shit crazy. I personally love it! As a college friend had on her door bell, " Do not disturb the already disturbed, ":
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And Sqrlz4sale as well
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(new tree!) @normalfreak2 Well thank you, I stopped trying to argue about it days ago, but am not about to let my integrity be challenged, calling me wrong about something that is a matter of opinion, eh? Perhaps you are thinking the same way? It's just moot: it can be a tax, no biggie, it changes nothing. >>>What did he mean then? He's certainly attacking me, you don't dispute that do you? And it's unprovoked, he insults me in 3 separate comments before I've said one word there! Hopefully we can agree on those things too, unless you think simply POSTING something he doesn't like is 'a provocation'? In which case, that's just censorship. >>>So he says Canadians should be angry that I'm getting THEIR tax dollars while I sit on my lazy ass. (paraphrased eh?) WHAT tax dollars, if not my Disability Pension, is he referring to? He's clearly saying that other people should be angry AT ME for being ON DISABILITY. It is his belief (he's said this several times before) that I am a fake, liar, cheat, lazy & a thief and not 'really disabled' simply because I comment here at IAB. Yes, he's used those words. So it makes perfect sense he's saying what I claim. >>> His excuse: "I'm only referring to the hypocrisy" is pure nonsense. Why bring tax dollars into it? Or my laziness? Without the CPP it makes NO sense at all. Without CPP there IS NOTHING to BE hypocritical about! His excuse is self-refuting! >>>So he clearly attacks my CPP. He's admitted as much. Do I need to repeat the quotation(s) for you? It's up there somewhere :-/ AND HE'S DONE THIS to me 3-5 times before! Those are just the ones I'm aware of! AND HE'S ATTACKED another IAB member before, for his disability also! He got banned for that, briefly. This is not me "flying off the handle" over ONE comment, ok? It's PATTERN of ABUSE both personal and bigoted. THAT is the only issue I'm trying to discuss. I apologize for making it unclear, for others and myself as well. The rest was about the 'additional lies' he was telling (IN MY opinion), to show just how wrong he was about everything, ok? HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT MY LIFE and should stop stalking, hate-spamming and spreading lies about me. >>>I hope it's clearer now. Sorry I cussed at you earlier, nf2.
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@5Cats Great. We're moving back towards civility. Here's my goals. If you'd respond to each one separately that would be great.
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6. Depression can be an absolute nightmare. However, I gotta say, going on fringe pundit blogs (left or right) and getting involved in arguments can NOT be good for depression. You clearly get very angry. I would think it would benefit you and your condition to avoid things that make you angry. That’s why I keep encouraging you to look into kitten fostering. It would make you happy, would keep you offline a while, and make you feel productive. I don't know your life or your medical history outside of what you've said on here. However, over 5 years you have said lots on here. Just because I make judgements based on things I know about you doesn't mean I know you. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Depression alone is bad, but adding other things like IBS or agoraphobia make life very difficult indeed. And of course there's no 'cure' for any of the things I have, lucky me. The internet is my hobby, playing games or finding interesting things. Information, anime, contact with various friends. And cats! Life without my furry friend(s) would be intolerable.
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I frequent several blogs, the right-wing one is anti-Trump btw. They support Cruz only because the conservative GOP members they did like dropped out. I don't comment there often, the threads have 300 comments per hour: having a discussion is difficult. The rest are about anime, baseball, games or other interests. >>> I cannot currently foster kittens since my last 2 cats are/were idiots. I know a family that fosters pregnant cats, they love it! And make sure both the kittens AND mother have "forever homes" to go to. My Liebshen hated every other cat, she was nasty about it too! She died last year. My remaining cat, Moo-Kitty (I didn't name either of them, I "rescued" them both from friends of friends. It was me or the Humane Society, where their death was 90% likely, sadly that's the fate of unwanted adult cats) is afraid of everything. I mean tiny bugs, strange noises, and especially other cats. She's pretty old, but in excellent health :-) When she's gone I plan to adopt 2-3 adult cats who are already connected & love each other dearly. No more hissing & fighting! Just playful snuggle bunnies. >>>You've lectured me and others about topics you know nothing about. Personal topics! Which are honestly none of your business. Nor anyone else at IAB. If I choose to discuss them? That's up to me. It does not give others permission to speculate and then spread those speculations as if they were facts. That is a form of lying, and if it's about my personal life those lies have no place here, I think. Since my position now (since IAB 2.0 began) is to utterly ignore you? Your constant, unsolicited comments, harmful or not, are a form of stalking. When that ends I will be much happier, I can assure you.
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5. I honestly don’t hate you or wish bad things on you. I don’t even dislike you. I vehemently disagree with you, but that’s not personal. I’m sure we could go out and have a few beers and argue all night. I like debating. That’s all. If you feel like I attack you or pick on you it is just because you are my polar opposite on most issues and you will go back and forth indefinitely, more so then any other person on here. I can debate with Elk or Duck or Grendel, but they usually disappear after 3 volleys. You keep going and you respond quickly. That’s nice in a debate opponent.
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That is the opposite of what I've seen on IAB for all these years. I came across some old threads last week? There they were: your unprovoked attacks and insults before I'd even made a comment. It hasn't changed in all this time. >>> I literally want nothing to do with you. I don't care about you, your opinions, anything to do with you. I only want you to stop your constant, unprovoked attacks, insults and unwanted attentions. I am long ago done with you, you have nothing to say that I want to hear, period. I deeply regret having to address you at all, but cannot abide with being attacked about my disability or having lies and gossip constantly spread about my PERSONAL life. That's my position. Neither of those things has any place on IAB. No, I'm not open to discussion on that, not providing 'examples' either. I'm answering your question here & that's it. Once this thread is done so am I. I sincerely hope I never have to speak to you again, since the only reasons I'd do that would be: stalking, personal attacks on my disability, repeated lies about things which you know nothing about. Those have gone on since IAB 2.0 began, it is beyond my understanding why you choose to spend so much time and effort attacking a perfect stranger, but I really don't care: just as long as it stops now.
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4. Given that you can clearly manage a computer, typing, and spending a lot of time on the internet as evidenced by your IAB participation, are you honestly saying in your heart of hearts that in 2016 there is NOTHING you could do part time from home that would be no more difficult with your condition than your IAB participation? Medical transcribing? Note digitization? Translation? Programming? There are companies who exist SOLELY to help people with disabilities find part time home jobs that they can manage. I am NOT saying you should or that you have to. I am not saying that you are faking anything or that you aren’t entitled to disability. What I am saying is that if you REALLY wanted to I bet you could figure something out. I don’t see why you view that as such a vicious attack either.
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I work part time at a gas station. I have for over a year now. CPP allows $5K earnings per year, no questions asked. Beyond that there's a long-term re-assessment. Since as soon as I hit full-time hours (that was my goal, to work full time by last fall) I had a major setback? (it was ugly) It was decided (in consultation with my doctors & employer) I could safely work 20-24 hours per week maximum, on average. The boss has been super-cool about it! And it is a permanent thing, unless my situation changes. It's still hard for me, and I struggle at times, but I'm able to carry on as best I can. >>> I've mentioned working a few times on IAB, but didn't directly tell you about it since EVERY bit of personal information you've come across has come BACK AT me covered with shit. I refuse to give you more ammunition to attack me with. Since it is my sincere hope you have given that up? I can take this chance that my PERSONAL (not your business!) life isn't once again used as a weapon in the future. It really is none of your business to judge me about my disability: I do not want your advice or assistance, or anything else.
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3. Try to understand these 3 points. While I get that you may disagree with them or take it personally, they aren’t attacks. Do you honestly disagree with any of these? POINT A: You curently depend on tax-funded government-run socialized healthcare and a tax-funded government-run social program (CPP) for survival. POINT B: You seem to be very critical and negative on any situation that involves tax-funded government-run socialized healthcare and tax-funded government-run social programs in America. POINT C: If you agree that POINT A and POINT B are true, then do you see why some, including myself, may view that as hypocritical? I don’t see why you view that as such a vicious attack
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A - call it a tax, I don't care. It changes nothing. B - CPP and ACA have absolutely nothing in common. They are entirely unrelated except in the broadest terms of being government-run programs and generally about healthcare. So are 100 other things. The ACA is an unmitigated disaster: trillions down the drain, people mostly worse off than ever! Sure, some people are helped and better off, that's nice. There were 50 better ways to get that exact same result WITHOUT harming half the US population! C - Nope, I can "see it" but think it's idiotic. Like my car insurance analogy: if I complain about it being too expensive, and have a crash, I'm NOT allowed to collect? That makes no sense to me, so how can my position be hypocritical? I praise a GOOD program (CPP) and criticize a BAD one (ACA). Makes perfect sense. My personal situation doesn't change the facts: and it doesn't suspend my right to hold and express an opinion. My citizenship doesn't stop me from doing so, any more than a US citizen holding an opinion on North Korea or Uganda's government. Right? I hear that a lot, but no American was ever asked to stop criticizing other nations that I've ever seen... except as a response to that nonsensical idea.
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@5Cats I just completely proved you wrong. No wiggle room. No maybes. The direct fucking legal text. Care to be man enough to admit you were wrong and show a lot of us that you actually ARE capable of it?
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@5Cats let's make this VERY SIMPLE so you understand. You could have google and read, but OK. From Forbes.com (and a million other sites): "So what would the penalty for noncompliance be? Jail time? Nope. The language in the Act specifically rules out jail time, saying at Section 500A(g)(2)(A): In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure. So, no jail time. But that means that the IRS will chase you and lien your property if you don’t pay, right? Nope. That’s not allowed under the Act. At 500A(g)(2)(B)(i), the Treasury cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.” So, no liens. Then, clearly there will be levies or seizures on your wages and account, right? Nope. Not that either. Under 500A(g)(2)(B)(ii), the Treasury cannot “levy on any such property with respect to such failure.” To recap then, by law, you have to pay the penalty. But if you don’t, you won’t go to jail, you won’t be liened and you won’t be levied for collection."
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Seriously? You have no clue how your own justice system works? Same in Canada, same in every nation on Earth: ALL government laws are enforced by guns and prison, every single one! You don't know this yet? >>>Who collects the "fines" if you refuse to buy private health insurance: the IRS. What happens if you refuse to pay the IRS? They take you to court. What happens if you lose and still refuse to pay? You... GO to jail! It's a no-brainer, it is painfully obvious. >>> A grandmother in Edmonton went to jail for... refusing to shovel her snow away exactly as the City Ordinance required. She shoveled, but left a layer of packed snow, this is illegal they said. For YEARS she refused to pay any fees or fines, and fought it in court. Finally a judge threw her in jail (for 3 days, iirc) and that was the end of it. JAIL is used to enforce snow shoveling laws... now imagine that trivial infraction compared to refusing the demands of the IRS... you still think jail is impossible if one disobeys the ACA? IMPOSSIBLE!!! HAHAHAHA! Wow... yes, you absolutely can go to jail for refusing to pay. For 1,000 other things far less than that too. I believe it's specifically stated IN the ACA: the various punishments for refusing to obey. They include jail. Obviously!
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@5Cats Do you seriously think you can go to prison for not getting health insurance? You honesty believe that? Get out of your sphere of misinformation its bad for you.
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So my collecting CPP has absolutely no relation with my opinion on the ACA. Correct? They are not the same thing at all, so how can I be "hypocritical" about supporting a GOOD program and criticizing a completely DIFFERENT program in another nation? >>>When it was announced I had high hopes for it. Right from the start Obama and the rest lied about it: a bad omen! "It will be available for the public to read 2 week before the vote" it was not even made available for the politicians! They voted blindly, they never read it until after it was passed. "The deliberations will be live on C-Span..." they were entirely in secret, Democrats and Insurance Company Lobbyists only, not one Republican in the room, ever. & etc. The ACA has nothing to do with "single payer" at all. Canada does NOT have single payer either! I PAY OUT OF POCKET for one hell of a lot of things! >>> C: how is my CPP connected to your ACA? It is not. Period. And how does my complaining about your ACA make me ineligible for my CPP? Or vice versa? It simply does not. CPP is a Canadian retirement fund with an option for disabled workers (me) to also collect their pension early. ACA forces American Citizens to buy Private Insurance Policies under penalty of prison. I just don't see how you can equate the two. I "see some connection" as they are both vaguely medical, sort of, but that's really thin ice, eh? >>> I'm sure I have posted lots of positive comments about various government programs over the years. What difference does that make? Who cares? One minute you criticize me for hypocrisy, the next for being consistent? Give it up.
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B. Of COURSE they have nothing to do with each other. That was never a point I made. The POINT is that ACA is the closest we've ever had to single payer insurance. It's a STEP in the right direction. As someone who lives on and appreciates single payer healthcare I wish you were rooting for us to get the same instead of gleefully rooting for it to fail. You see first hand how government can be there to help people that need it because you need two programs to survive. Yet I have NEVER seen you post or say ONE positive thing about government or social programs. I want people in my country that need help to have as much access to it as people in your country do. Why don't you? C. Your aren't complaining the car insurance (single payer healthcare) is high you are arguing to keep us from ever getting the car insurance while you enjoy it. Get the difference? Once again you don't need to clarify that you have a right to your opinion despite your condition and citizenship. My position on that was stated above and it has never changed, nor will it.
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2. Stop saying I’m "personally attacking" you. I’m not. I haven’t called you names. I haven’t wished ill will on you. I haven’t attacked anything other than what I perceive to be hypocrisy on your part. I will say for the 100th time, I do not think any less of you as a person because you are disabled. I wish you the best in managing your disability. I in no way think you aren’t entitled to any opinion you wish, as I feel free speech has no limits. I also have no problem with you, as a canadian, having an opinion on American politics. I do not believe you are scamming disability and I do not believe you aren't entitled to disability. As I've said before, I'm glad there was a government program in place to help you out. That is what I think government is for. Please stop repeating anything that contradicts those statements because it isn’t true and having to constantly correct those points is frustrating.
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Attacks, insults in general: you have made a ton of them as far as I've read. Since I skim past most of your comments, and don't read every post? It may be that 'most' are general discussion comments? Fine, but there's FAR too many unprovoked attacks & insults, by any measure. I'm not counting the 3-4 times since IAB 2.0 started where I've addressed you, those get 'heated' but it's not what I'm considering as 'stalking'. I mean all those months I completely ignored you? You STILL threw shit at me on a regular basis. >>> I'm glad you've clarified that. it's not like I want to be on disability! I want to work in my professional field, but that's not possible with my illnesses. So I work part-time for minimum wage and can survive because of CPP. That's is what it is for! It says right there in all the forms I filled out: they WANT disabled people to work as much as they are safely able to and to NOT go on welfare. I get re-assessed every year, but they know it's most likely a permanent situation: it's not easy to get, I assure you! I'll stop saying you claim those things, ok? No worries about that now.
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1. Retire the word "stalker". Its obnoxious. Not one single member of IAB has backed you up on that. Its absolutely ridiculous. I've heard to you refer to at least 5 different IAB members as "stalkers". We aren't stalkers, we are people who disagree with you and express that point. Just because you don’t want us to express our view and we choose to anyway does not make us “stalkers”. As I’ve said before I’m sure anyone who truly has been stalked would find that incredibly offensive.
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There are only 2 members I consider 'stalkers' you and the question-troll. I just ignore him entirely, mostly he only 'baits' and doesn't lob too many insults, easy to ignore. There's a few idiots I ignore because they never have anything nice OR interesting to say, and are just bloody rude. Whatever, no loss, and they're not around much anyhow. There's nf2 who sometimes comes close to stalking but at other times is just fine to have a discussion with...
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I'll be happy to: just stop and it is done. Since I plan on not reading your future comments? It's also quite likely I won't reply to them, eh? If you stop stalking me, I'll have no reason at all to call you that name, so no problem. >>>Note: I may reply to those who reply to you, hard to avoid & it isn't the same, I think. If I do reply or address you it will be for something important and I'll be as formal and civil as possible.
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@5Cats I just wanted you to know that I think this has gone a little too far and I'm done. Debating is fun for me. Its sporting. However, you are getting upset and taking it personally. Whether or not I think I'm right, its putting bad energy into the world which I don't like. I wish you the best with your issues and I hope you find something productive to feel good about. I tried to reach out to you on your post about depression. My wife suffered from bouts of it and hopefully you can find the kind of solution she did. I think the kinds of sites you frequent are a BAD mix with depression, but its your life. Look into the kitten fostering. It could really bring some meaningful happiness to you. Cheers.
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Fucking RIGHT I "take it personally" when you assault me BY NAME and directly attack MY PERSOANL LIFE. Not once, not twice, HUNDREDS OF fucking TIMES that I'm aware of! There's undoubtedly MORE than that which I skimmed past (which I try to do for all of your comments, there's no law saying I have to read what a stalker says) OR topics I didn't look at entirely. Witness a recent one where yourself and others have a merry time attacking me when it's not my post & I didn't comment there. (the only reason I looked was because R&D mentioned it to me, otherwise I simply would not have read it at all, nor the comments) It's simple: you don't like a topic posted? Don't read it! I apply that "rule of thumb" here and by golly, I have a lot more fun NOT reading bullshit than I would if I'd read it. >>>Damn straight I "take it personally" because I've ASKED YOU so often to STOP STALKING ME and you've not only not stopped? You increased your efforts!! >>>I truly hope you're done with it. I'm so sick of your personal attacks based on things you know NOTHING ABOUT. Yet there you are, time after time, spreading those lies, rumours and gossip over subjects which are NONE of your business in the first place. Stop already, that is all I want from you. QED.
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@5cats iyou do realise that QED ia an acronym for "quod erat demonstrandum", which is Latin (no, don't build a wall, I said Latin, not Latino), for "which is what had to be proven". An expression which is often used at the end of an argument when the facts in evidence are so overwhelming that there is no possible comeback....I don't care a smidge about any of the issues between HG and yourself, however, your argument isn't anywhere near conclusive enough to claim QED. That should be reserved for an irrefutable proof, with no concievable argument against it. Just saying, and only commentng on the improper use of that particular acronym.
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I did not know that @buttersrules, I always thought it meant Quite Easily Done (a British saying) >>> In my opinion though, your version (the much more common one, apparently!) also applies since this is precisely what I want from him, nothing else. The evidence is indeed overwhelming: it's all I've asked for all along: for him to stop stalking me. There is no counter argument, no compromise ("can I just stalk you a little bit?" No.) and nothing to substitute for it. >>>I held up my end: I utterly and completely ignored him for months: never addressed him, never replied to him. But he stalked me the entire time: dozens of personal attacks, hundreds of addresses, insults and comments directed at me.
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GREAT! Now stop stalking me, finally. Stop baiting and provoking me on other threads. Stop flinging unprovoked attacks and insults at me, on ANY thread but especially ones I have nothing to do with. Stop trying to talk to me, you have nothing to say. You want to bitch and argue with others? Knock yourself out. If I reply to THEM it is not a reply to YOU. I want nothing to do with you, I'm sick of your shit long ago. You've hated me for YEARS here, making unprovoked attacks since ages ago. Hundreds of them. I was looking at a couple of old threads the past few weeks and there they were: the same shit over and over: before I've said one word you're there with the insults directed at me. I've ignored you as best as possible, yet you get hyper-excited if I accidentally read your bullshit? WHY is it so important to you? Why do YOU spend so much time and effort ATTACKING and stalking a COMPLETE STRANGER? >>>I do not want your advice, you are a viscos stalker. I do not care about you, your situation or anything like that. I don't want to hear your excuses or self-justifications. You are a stalker, there is only one thing I ask: stop stalking me. (see above for things to not do: THAT is what "not stalking" means.) I cannot "force you" to do anything of course, it's entirely up to you if you want to act like a decent human being or a hate-filled animal who stalks his victims without mercy or regret. Stopping stalking is easy: just don't do it.
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I try to squash things in a civil way and this is your response? You really are just a vile little man and my guess is you are living exactly the life you deserve.
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What's wrong with my response? I'm glad you're saying you will stop stalking me. I'll believe it when it happens, of course, and not before, why should I? What more do you want? Loli-pop? Here: loli-pop for you! >>> I'm living my life just as well as I am able. I surely do NOT need YOU or your "advice" since you are a stalker. Hopefully an ex-stalker. I want not one thing to do with you, zero. Hey, I don't spend my time stalking and attacking complete strangers, you want to point fingers? Go ahead! LOLZ! But I only care about one thing: stop stalking me. k-thx. I take this opportunity to TRY to discuss things and explain my side & listen to yours: you've attacked and insulted me repeatedly here, just look! I've also insulted you? Boo-fucking-hoo. "Mommy he insulted me back for insulting him hundreds of times!" >>> All I want is no more stalking. >>> What do you want? Serious question here: what is your goal here? This could be the last time I'll read or reply (I'll explain that, again, below) so if you want to say something? Here's a chance.
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Try to extend an olive branch, and he spits in your face. Typical.
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I'm going to re-post Elk here because he nailed you so perfectly. He's also on your side of the political spectrum by teh way and disagrees with me on pretty much everything. "You're a hypocrite, because your "opinion" is to cut off Americans from the same types of benefits you enjoy... You are making a mockery out of conservative beliefs by crying like a little bitch about Americans that receive them. I find you offensive, trolling, and insulting when you talk shit about American policies and benefits. So, fuck you. Either get off the draw, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and support your damn self, or politely shut the fuck up about American politics and policies. Either that, or quit crying like a beyotch when people point out how hypocritical you are being." & "Conservatives (Like myself) do NOT accept it. They find a damn way to work, rather than playing on the internet all damn day bitching about how other people ought to pay for their damn CPP disability"
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This has scree of yours has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the hate-spam you made. (the topic, recall that?) You are once again DESPERATELY trying to change the subject. You are a joke, everyone knows this. >>> HEY! How about YOU shut up about ANY other nation except America? That includes CANADA and ME! You are the biggest hypocrite imaginable, demanding someone in another nation NEVER speak of YOUR nation? But spewing nonsense about other nations as if you knew shit about them? Spreading PERSONAL ATTACKS by lies and gossip which you KNOW are false. And all the while too cowardly to make an honest reply to a simple question: what does your comment mean. You've admitted it's attacking me FOR being disabled. Yet here you are continuing to attack? So you think it's A-OK to attack others based only on their politics? Attack their race, skin colour, nationality, disability, gender, religion, ANYTHING!! Since in your stalking mind they are untermensch: sub-huamns. They deserve what they get. Fuck you. Time for @FancyLad to drop the hammer, you will not respond to anything else.
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"Time for @FancyLad to drop the hammer, you will not respond to anything else." Hahahahahaha. How's that working out for you?
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Interesting: I ask him to explain why his comment isn't about my disability... and he simply LEAVES OUT the part about my disability and claims it just ain't so! >>>I did not ask what you "meant to say" stalker, I asked what that WHOLE comment means. You just left out the parts that prove my case, and offer THAT as an explanation? Wow, incredible. >>>And yet it's exactly as I predicted: ignore the facts and change the subject. He does this every time, for years now. So I ignored him, and he simply kept on making PERSONAL ATTACKS on me. He doesn't deny this. He said himself a few times now they are unprovoked: I simply piss him off by existing. Or by posting things he doesn't like. Or things he does like, but attacks me anyhow. Or when other people post things? He's still pissed off AT ME, and launces more attacks at me, by name. >>>And here he is: caught attacking my disability, ENTIRELY personal, unprovoked (he had 3 comments there insulting me before I'd even commented) and OFF-TOPIC, and when given the opportunity to explain? He just 'skips over' the actual parts which were obviously about the disability, and claims the whole comment isn't! Even though it still is: the parts he does attempt to justify are still disability-related. THAT is how the stalker works. He's been doing this on IAB for YEARS now. Same exact pattern.
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Only you could read that comment and think I'm mocking Fancy. Your brain works in a very special way. That comments doesn't mock Fancy in any way. It mocks your pathetic ass for begging and pleading for him to ban me and being so certain he is going to. Problem is Fancy obviously knows how full of shit you are.
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Your mockery of @FancyLad might be more important to him than your hundreds of personal attacks on various IAB members for years now... whatever works! Boast some more! Tell us all how you've been freely stalking me for all the time IAB 2.0 has been running, posting lies and personal attacks without provocation! You're so very proud of it, after all.
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"You've admitted it's attacking me FOR being disabled." Again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You yell and scream about slander and lies yet you have posted this exact lie, which I have refuted several times, over and over and over. Think what you wish but I have NEVER "admitted" to attacking your disability. Has never once happened. Keep being a liar if you wish, but I'll keep letting everyone know what a liar you are.
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"Except, you know, ALL THE TIME. >>>Like... in the comment we're discussing! What's the word in it? Canadians! 3rd word in... need a dictionary to look up the meaning? By referencing (specifically) Canadians you have, in fact, "brought up you being canadian as an issue". It's right there!" Are you retarded? I'm asking the people that pay the taxes you live off if it bothers them. I don't pay it. That's all. You are welcome to have an opinion on American politics as a Canadian. In fact I've stood up for you in that regard. A few times.
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Odd, stalker, I didn't ask what you do with the REST of your time. Look again: I asked if all the time you've spent making unprovoked, personal attacks at me, for months of stalking and years here at IAB: is THAT TIME well & productively spent? There was nothing at all you could have been doing better than attacking strangers over the internet? >>>THAT is the topic: YOU attacked ME for spending time at IAB. This is your "evidence" that I'm stealing CPP from other Canadians. >>>So over many years I've made contributions to MY HOBBY and this offends you? This is "proof" that others should be pissed at me? Because years ago I made piles of comments and submissions, THAT PROVES what my current situation is? YOU KNOW NOTHING about my life, yet you lecture me to NOT DO the very thing you are ENGAGED IN DOING even as you lecture! And when caught? You talk about non-issues... change the subject, talk about yourself to aggrandize, pretend the facts do not exist. Typical. Pathetic.
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He says he's never brought up me being a Canadian as an issue... but in the TOPIC comment? He specifies my being Canadian. Such an obvious lie, yet he'll still ignore the facts, while claiming I am ignoring facts. Amazing. >>> Many other times he's lectured me on how, as a Canadian, I don't know anything about the US government, or US policies, or anything about the USA... and am NOT ALLOWED to comment or criticize, why? Because I'm Canadian! ie: not an American. And it's impossible for any non-American (he says, not me!) to know or care about the USA. >>> He imagines this disputes my argument somehow? That it disputes his personal attack is about my disability? The master of changing subjects... but it isn't working! Oh what will he do next? Of course I can easily predict: since he's done this many times before...
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Except, you know, ALL THE TIME. >>>Like... in the comment we're discussing! What's the word in it? Canadians! 3rd word in... need a dictionary to look up the meaning? By referencing (specifically) Canadians you have, in fact, "brought up you being canadian as an issue". It's right there! And still you lie about it. Brazen, obvious, lie. AND all those dozens of other times you've said it also? Plus a whole bunch of times here? You have indeed "brought it up". Just stop stalking me, and it won't be a problem anymore.
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Male 7,961
"You have never once, in your life, expressed a negative opinion about the policies or actions of any government other than the USA? Not one time? Yet if I do it, I'm bad and people should be pissed?" Might surprise you to learn that I can't think of any time I've brought up you being canadian as an issue. Lots of other people have. I don't. Don't let reality fuck up your argument though.
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Male 7,961
Didn't you demand that I "be more productive"? How is that for hypocrisy..." What? I run / own 3 different businesses, paid $20,000+ in income taxes last year, routinely volunteer with two different charitable organizations as well as give blood every 8 weeks. What do you do to contribute to society? Maybe you do a lot. I don't know. You've certainly never mentioned anything.
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Male 37,052
How is my expressing an opinion on America's ACA hypocritical if you are not referring to my collecting disability? Why did you mention "tax dollars" if that has nothing to do with it? You claim you "only personally attack me" for hypocrisy? Just another personal attack on IAB, like 100s of others you've made, at myself, at dozens of others too... But without the CPP what is there to be hypocritical about? #2 Don't YOU have anything "more productive to do" than make disparaging unprovoked personal attacks on complete strangers? Didn't you demand that I "be more productive"? How is that for hypocrisy... YOU make demands of ME that you yourself ignore & refuse to follow. I only ask you to stop stalking me. #3 You have never once, in your life, expressed a negative opinion about the policies or actions of any government other than the USA? Not one time? Yet if I do it, I'm bad and people should be pissed? Huh! Again, pot-kettle-black except that, again, you base this on my disability: pissed... tax dollars... stay at home... AS IF YOU KNOW this for a fact. You lie, plain and simple. Stop stalking me.
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Male 7,961
"everyone knows this" You are out of touch with reality. Re-read every post on this thread. Count how many people agree with you and how many people agree with me. Seriously. Do it. Then let me know what "everyone" thinks.
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Male 7,961
You are pathological in your dishonesty. Must be part of your "integrity". You sit at home living off government socialized medicine and government socialized disability while you rant and rave online posting articles about the evils of government, socialized medicine, and social programs. Posting videos about "pulling yourself up by the boot straps". You're a fucking hypocrite. Practice what you preach. Shut the fuck up. Or get called out on it. Pick one you big baby.
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Male 37,052
@FancyLad? The hammer please? Here he is doing it again: attacks and lies about my disability. @Elkingo you see this? Is this OK with you since you know better? >>> This is slander, lies, attacks of the most personal nature: it has no place at IAB.
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Male 7,961
How many times are you going to get on your knees and beg Fancy to ban me? Do you have any idea how pathetic it makes you look? Its his site. He has seen your dozens of pleas. He either agrees with me, or doesn't think it is worthy of being banned. Get over it. Again: A. "slander" is spoken so this is "libel". B. It isn't that either since it is true. I thought @Elkingo was actually harsher on his critique of you than I have ever been, so I'm not sure why you are asking for his input. Kinda clear he gave it to you already.
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Male 7,961
"So he says Canadians should be angry that I'm getting THEIR tax dollars while I sit on my lazy ass. (paraphrased eh?)" NOPE. / "He's clearly saying that other people should be angry AT ME for being ON DISABILITY" NOPE. / "It is his belief (he's said this several times before) that I am a fake, liar, cheat, lazy & a thief and not 'really disabled" NOPE. / "So he clearly attacks my CPP. He's admitted as much" NOPE.
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Male 37,052
Then WHAT DOES it MEAN stalker? You can explain it? Let's hear it! But NO!! You go right back to stalking, insults and accusations. You HAVE NOTHING! No defence, no excuses. So admit that or shut your filthy mouth. Speak honestly for once in your pathetic existence.
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Male 7,961
Let me show you an example: "Steve is a hypocrite because he constantly posts global warming / environmental stuff while driving a giant lifted truck that gets 6 miles per gallon." Now what if someone "paraphrased" my quote and left off the last piece of it? "Steve is a hypocrite because he constantly posts global warming / environmental stuff while driving" Totally changes the sentiment huh? It goes from a reasonable critique on his hypocrisy to a ridiculous statement as driving is often a necessary part of life no matter how concerned someone is with the environment. Understand?
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Male 37,052
Stop changing the subject, your example is pure bullshit. I DO NOT HAVE TO JUSTIFY MY OPINIONS TO YOU, a fucking stalker. I don't care, nor does anyone else, what your opinion is. But personal attacks about my being disabled? Hundreds of Off-topic, unprovoked PERSONAL ATTACKS on me? Lies you spread about MY PERSONAL LIFE which is NONE of your fucking business? How about thinking about that? What justification do you have to do those things FOR MONTHS ON END? What self-rationalization makes you think you have a right to say one word about MY LIFE? >>>Stop stalking me.
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Male 7,961
"WHAT DOES it MEAN" Well I'll try to explain it to you as best I can. The full quote that we keep discussing is ""Do you Canadians with jobs get pissed that a portion of your tax dollars go to paying for 5Cats so he can just sit on his ass all day long posting and commenting on the internet about how horrible government and government programs are?" The key phrase here is the qualifier "SO HE CAN JUST SIT ON HIS ASS ALL DAY LONG POSTING ABOUT AND COMMENTING ON THE INTERNET ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS ARE" for you to to "paraphrase" and completely leave out the qualifier is totally dishonest and misleading.
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Male 37,052
How can anyone take you seriously, when you claim that it's not a lie? Who cares if it's "tax" or not? No one. not me. It is a "moot point". The best you can do is argue semantics? Fuck that. So fucking weak-sauce, but it's all you've got isn't it. >>>I care that YOU attack ME over collecting DISABILITY INSURANCE which I paid for. Call it a tax, fine! It changes nothing. >>>You constantly accuse me of doing nothing, of not having a job, of not contributing to society? HOW can you POSSIBLY know this? You are a liar on THAT count alone. What makes you think your "facts" are true? You have proof? Let's hear it. I don't have to prove one single thing to you btw. IT'S NONE OF YOUR fucking BUSINESS. You've made a personal attack, about my disability, based on YOUR IMAGINATION and nothing else. That's the point here, and you've done nothing but lie about it. To state something which you do not know about as a fact? That's a lie. You know nothing, and yet you lecture me about my own life. Stop stalking me.
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Male 7,961
"And you know this?" I only know hat you've told me and what is blatantly obvious by how often you are on this site. "you're on IAB as much or more than I am" considering you've made 5 times as many comments as me and countless more submissions, I'd say that is CLEARLY not the case. I'm on IAB when I'm on my computer working. I pop in while I'm waiting for a file to export, or compress, or upload, or when I'm waiting for client feedback. I wish I wasn't on my computer this much. Why the fuck are you? "repeating you lies" Not lies. Just because they upset you doesn't make them lies. "Canadian Tax Dollars = CPP disability" ABSOLUTELY CPP is funded by CPP taxes taken out of people's paychecks. It baffles me that you can't understand that.
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Male 37,052
And you know this? You KNOW it is a fact? How? That I sit all day and do nothing? huh! News to ME! But you KNOW my life better than I do, since YOU are a fucking STALKER, correct! >>>You can prove this somehow? After all, you're on IAB as much or more than I am, or do disabled people NOT have any RIGHT to use the internet? >>> You know nothing, yet here you are repeating you lies. And I love how you leave out the most important part because you know very well you have zero answers for it. Canadian Tax Dollars = CPP disability. You've stated this repeatedly here. It means exactly as I've claimed, you don't refute it at all: "People should be angry he collects disability and goes on the internet expressing his opinions." THAT is still what you have said. >>>Score = 0, repeating your lies does not explain them.
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Male 7,961
You are even hypocritical in your responses you run around crying about personal attacks, but what do you call "Speak honestly for once in your pathetic existence"? You attack people on this site constantly. The only difference is we don't cry like little bitches about it.
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Male 38,063
I don't think we can post pictures, but there are up/down votes on comments at Disqus
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Male 37,052
Disqus has pictures,, but it's weird....
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Male 323
Time for 5Cats and HolyGod to play 'Last'
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Male 229
Haha, these two lately remind me of Neo and Smith from The Matrix. Two equal sides of a balanced equation always fighting with no seeming end result
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Male 7,961
Dibs on Keanu.
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Male 37,052
He can be last, I don't care what he does. As long as the hate-spamming and stalking stops. I try very hard to NOT read his bullshit anyhow, so even if "gets the last word in" I don't care: I won't be reading it! :-) I got the final word in the argument: he HAS ADMITTED he made an unprovoked, personal attack on my disability. Case closed. >>>Does anyone on IAB think attacking a disabled person for being disabled is a "good thing"? Hopefully not even nf2 thinks that...
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Male 7,961
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes. Look through this thread at how often 5Cats DOESN'T CARE about my posts guys.
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Female 7,842
I agree about the interplay- I suspect our average age is a tad older than many other sites- not me of course LOL. We can debate- and have more experience to bring to the debate..... much more fun.
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Male 38,063
Stupid has no age limit. Take me for example ;)
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Female 7,842
It's all right sweetpea- when you grow up you will be all sensible and boring.
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Male 1,143
I'm a Canadian liberal. It's ok if you take my money 5Cats, just don't hate yourself or others for needing it. *Takes a lick of the shit spoon*
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Male 7,961
Simple concept right? You'd think someone who needs government, taxes, single payer health insurance, and social programs for his very survival would understand how vital they are to our society and extol that fact, instead of the opposite. I'm happy he's getting the help he needs and I'm happy the programs exist that help people in need. I, and a lot of my countrymen, would like to expand those and help more people like him. It would be nice if he didn't constantly shit on that effort.
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Male 6,189
@holygod @5cats LIBERALS HEALTHCARE OBAMA, DEMOCRATS BAD. Here in Canada we are simply under the thumb of our oppressive Government. I can only get my certified foods and cheeses from the multitude of groceries that exist in our country rationing our right to be upset about anything and everything Liberal! My Poutine is only available at Harvey's for 14 hours a day! Our oppressive LIBERAL Government allows us to get injured and get "free medical care from high quality doctors". It's insane how cheap our drugs are! Our terrible Canadian Health Minister advocates for taking care of our own! It's terrible I tell you!.
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Male 37,052
Reduced to childish behaviour nf2? How sad. You do know he's admitted making an unprovoked personal attack on my disability, eh? And that at least 1 neutral person agrees it is just that. Your side has lost. The 'tax thing' and all the rest is moot: no one cares. It was just another example of his falsehood, and no, you haven't proven it's a tax, your opinion is your own of course. But that changes nothing: it's still attacking a disabled person for BEING DISABLED. >>>You approve of this? Hey, it's your life to waste helping scum like that. Enabling his stalking, hate-spamming, prejudice and all-around depravity is what makes you happy? Have fun with that. Freak.
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Male 2,362
"You IMAGINE a blog outweighs the CPP itself in knowing the ins and outs? A fucking BLOG?" --> A blog can't possibly get that right, yet you think blogs funded by fossil fuel are a good source for science?
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Male 6,189
@5cats @jay Fair point so it can be a tax and not a tax, we are both right 5cats. I just don't want to keep arguing about this. lol
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Male 6,189
@5cats He did not. We have different definitions on what attacking your "disability constitutes". It's clear you have a completely different definition of everything. This discussion explains a lot. You refuse to accept reality every time. CPP is administered by our Government. It's funded by tax payers. It's not a donation, it's a tax. You simply can't accept reality. That matters when you are trying to say @holygod is attacking your disability. How do you define it 5cats? Please tell me how you are being attacked. I need to know how you define it because my answer depends on how you are seeing it. Because as i see it I don't see this as an attack. but if you can explain how it looks to you that'd be great!
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Male 37,052
Ok @normalfreak2, I get it now! If the Wiki link YOU provided doesn't disprove my case? Wiki must be wrong! The dictionary supports my argument? The DICTIONARY is wrong! The CPP Website itself supports exactly what I said? THE CPP ITSELF is wrong! ONLY YOU know what the real facts are! The dictionary and the CPP itself can take a hike if they dare disagree with you! >>>I've said it about 5 times now, I'll say it again: It Is MOOT. Tax or not? He STILL personally attacked me over my receiving CPP Disability. THAT is the issue here. Unless you can offer a rational alternative to what he said? Shut your fucking mouth. I don't care what your OPINION is: I looked at the link YOU provided and it supported my argument. I looked at the CPP Website and found a way to "opt out". In fact 3 were mentioned. Period, the end. >>> You IMAGINE a blog outweighs the CPP itself in knowing the ins and outs? A fucking BLOG? Fuck you, you are obviously too shit-stupid to read English and completely lack moral values like honesty. WHO CARES about this? It's NOT THE ISSUE you are CHANGING THE SUBJECT and I am done with you. Go fuck your stalker friend for all I care. At least HE ADMITTED both unprovoked attacks and to attacking my (collecting) disability, BUT YOU DON'T? That's fucking unbelievable. >>> What a moron you must be in real life, a real asshole. You don't even know what the meaning of a word is, but you'll argue to the death that I'm wrong, and the Dictionary is too!!! How pathetic.
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Male 2,362
nf2, you raise some good points. There are often ways to avoid taxes..doesn't mean they're not taxes. By default, they're collected and managed by the government. I can understand if he prefers another name, but others are welcome to call them taxes, as it is clearly taxpayer's money that funds the service.
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Male 6,189
@5cats you can apologize whenever!
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Male 6,189
@5cats From the above link " Canada Pension Plan (CPP) and Employment Insurance (EI) These programs are run by the federal government and participation is mandatory. You may benefit in the future by receiving payments from these programs. For example, EI protects workers who become unemployed by paying out benefits to those who apply and qualify. If you retire after age 60, the CPP pays benefits to seniors who qualify. " You lose good day sir!
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Male 6,189
@5cats Here this makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR. Understanding your Canadian Taxesk! /micdrop
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Male 6,189
@jay @5cats I'm going to play a game here. For example, In America a non for profit can be exempt from paying sales tax in certain circumstances. Does that mean the sales tax isn't a tax because some people can get out of it? NO it's still a tax. It's a force withdrawl from your pay. I don't care if it makes you feel better to think you aren't using "taxpayer money" (which you are btw). Because it doesn't apply to those it's intended to help how does that not make it a tax? I'll go at this all day. I'm not wrong. The facts are the facts. You don't know what you are talking about. I want one person to agree with you.
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Male 37,052
@normalfreak2 Once again I remind you: It's INSURANCE. CPP - Disability is insurance: BY DEFINITION you DO NOT "only get" what you pay in when you make an insurance claim. Are you that fucking ignorant? If you pay $1,000 for accident insurance, and wreck your $5000 car? How much money do you get (after the deductible if it applies)? (hint: it's $5000) Get a brain. CPP = Retirement Fund. CPP Disability = Insurance provision for those unable to work. Ok? Two separate parts of the same fund. >>> And stop changing the subject, coward, you look like a complete tool! Getting it wrong time after time. Just fucking man-up and admit you made a mistake. Ok? You'll feel so much better.
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Male 37,052
Wow nf2, am I talking about America? No. CPP is not American. I did not say they are "the same" that was someone else. Is Social Security a 'tax'? I have no idea, so unlike YOU I won't shoot my mouth off about things I don't know. I don't CARE! >>> BUT I do know that CPP is not American! And SS is not Canadian! So one more you've proven to be a complete fucking idiot. Don't you get tired of being so very wrong?
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Y/N? Can a working Canadian opt out of paying CPP deductions = Yes. It's right there! Can you read? If a working person is over 65, they can CHOOSE to pay in OR opt out. It even uses that phrase "opt out" ok? It just takes ONE method for me to be absolutely correct. And there it is. There's OTHER methods there too, fyi, but I only need ONE. >>> NOT a 65 retiree who stops working, DUH only an idiot would read it that way, ffs. A worker, can, opt, out, in, UNCOMMON circumstances. And FYI? The Canadian Gov't TAXES unpaid income, like monks who work in a monastery. It is arranged so that the tax is exactly equal to their deductions IF they've taken a vow of poverty. However? Since it is still considered 'income' the CPP deduction is also applied... unless that person does not wish to apply for CPP, ever, in which case they can OPT OUT of paying. ok? OPT FUCKING OUT. Because UNPAID labour is still considered income in Canada. >>>You know nothing about this, yet you try to lecture me? Fuck you. Really, I've given you links and everything, and you still call ME names? Fuck you. You have no balls at all if you're too afraid to admit you were mistaken, that I have proven my case: a worker CAN opt out. The source is the CPP site itself! There's even MORE than one way, so your pathetic excuse doesn't even hold water. Fuck.
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Male 6,189
@5cats I sincerely believe there's no way you pay what you put in, especially if you are on disability. Yes you have to contribute to receive, but it's a social safety net program. It allows older people to retire, it allows people to get hurt and not lose all their income, it's a social safety net a TAX. I don't care if you don't think it is if it makes you feel better inside. A tax is a tax is a tax.
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Male 2,362
"You do know he's admitted making an unprovoked personal attack on my disability" --> Except he didn't.
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Male 6,189
CPP is nearly equivalent to American Social Security. @5cats just try to convince any American that Social security isn't a "tax". Go ahead.
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Male 2,362
Choose not to pay the tax by not having a job or by retiring at 65? Ya, I suppose there are a few taxes that would apply to.
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Male 6,189
@5cats /facepalm Seriously......SERIOUSLY. I can't believe we are arguing about semantics. The pension is for people retiring. IE people over 65. Why would you want to "tax" someone who needs the CPP to contribute to the CPP when accepting funds from it? Holy shit that's the stupidiest thing ever. That makes sense. Only the people that need it can OPT out or take a vow of poverty because guess what, you cant tax what you don't earn. Why does any of this need explaining?
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Male 37,052
From The CPP Home Page "you can choose to make CPP contributions... or you can opt out of making these contributions." referring to Age 65... but as usual, you'll ignore it, or claim it's biased, or pretend you were talking about something else, or say 'only ONE thing? That's not enough to prove it exists' or some other dreadfully stupid shit. :-p But maybe? Nf2? Perhaps you'll understand now that there REALLY IS an uncommon but real provision where a worker CAN opt out, at least one. Perhaps you'll understand what "Moot" and "Contributory" mean? Maybe? (I'm not holding my breath...) And perhaps you'll admit that the stalker has made, and continues to make, unprovoked personal attacks against me on IAB for months now. And you are here defending this. Here Is Some Helpful Advice For You NF2
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Male 37,052
Ok, why are you just ignoring what I've said @normalfreak2? Why do you want to nitpick on a "moot point"? Do I have to explain to you what a moot point is? Oh nevermind! You don't believe the fucking dictionary anyhow. You can opt out if you are: incomeless (vow of poverty, for example) or are 65+ and still working. In either case you can voluntarily apply to opt out, or not! I said it was NOT COMMON and NOT EASY but it can be done! I just looked at several sites that agreed with this. A simple "CPP opt out option" search yields many results. Including CPP Government Home, where it clearly says you CAN opt out in those rare circumstances. Right there! >>>You really must be fucking desperate that you entirely IGNORE the issue (which is unprovoked personal attacks btw), IGNORE the meaning of words in your own 'proof' about a SIDE ISSUE and also refuse to do a 30 second search to find the FACTS. What further excuse can you offer? Words have no meaning for you? Facts which don't fit your predetermined conclusions are not real? The Government Website itself is not a credible source of information? Smarten up, you really look like an idiot.
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Male 6,189
@5cats You can't opt out of this. IE it's a forced wage withdraw IE tax. It's you who can't understand basic taxation policies. It's a forced withdraw to pay for the pensions of EVERY Canadian that qualifies. It's a tax, I don't care what you say or what you think, the fact is this is a tax. End of Story. I don't think @HolyGod said anything that constitutes as assault or stalking. Does he sometimes push it to the limit? Absolutely. With that said you can't expect to spout nonsense and not receive anything but praise. That's not how anything works. Be prepared to defend your position.
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Male 37,052
@Normalfreak2: In the wiki, they say it is a CONTRIBUTORY FUND Which means paid for by the employee and employer. Not "taxpayer". Not "government". This is your proof? It proves my case completely. >>>And it still doesn't matter, you still haven't addressed the main point: unprovoked, personal attacks. Always against me, by him, for MONTHS now. >>> You try to NITPICK one word, and you even fuck that up? You are a fucking joke, you see that? Cannot even read the first fucking sentence of his own fucking "proof"...
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Male 6,189
@5cats here's another hyperlink so you don't have to type CPP
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Male 6,189
@HolyGod @5cats Call it whatever you want. The Government collects the money for the CPP. Does money come out of your paycheck to pay for it? Guess what it's a tax. Spin it however you want to spin it, it's a tax. it's no different than paying the social security tax out of American paychecks. So paying the social security tax is a tax in America, but paying out of your paycheck for the CPP isn't? Wake the fuck up 5cats. READ THIS 5cats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Pension_Plan
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Male 7,961
So ONE person sorta agrees with part of what you said and you claim victory? Doesn't matter that 5 or 6 have outright called you out huh? Including elk, who utterly destroyed your hypocritical ass despite being pretty closely aligned with you politically? Selective sample much?
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Male 7,961
Hahaha. What are you smoking? Can i have some?
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Male 6,189
Oh I forgot to add our corrupt Government is so oppressive we have to WAIT in order to get a gun!? You know how anti freedom that is? ~_^
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Male 14,778
This thread perfectly illustrates all that's right and wrong at the core of this forum. It's not software, and not at all about the content originally posted but he interplay of personalities that makes it interesting, edgy. We are the content. The posts are just a catalyst to get us going.
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Male 5,620
@Draculya - well said. It is why I come back. Lol
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Male 7,961
I agree Drac. There are plenty of aggregators out there. I don't even necessarily think this is one of the best ones. However, the core group of characters and the debates are what keeps me here. Debating economics with 5Cats and Crakr during the 2012 election is what turned me into a regular. He may hate me now, but 5Cats is the ying to my yang. I don't run into people like him in my real life. That's why debating on the internet is fun.
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Female 7,842
Adult need not mean smut- I'm not now and never have been a fan of porn- it simply doesn't rock my boat. articles and opinions- good writing, in depth journalism- all these are adult content I'm sure we ALL miss from days when magazines had content rather than ads?? That stuff need promoting or we risk having a generation who only do bite sized chunks...
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Male 3,995
@Fancy: Hey what about comments not being posted so everyone can see, until they have awaited moderation? Some peoples comments take hours to be seen and it makes it hard to have a dialog with others. The person who wrote it can see it as long as they are logged in, but it can't be seen by anyone else.
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Male 37,052
That would require a bunch of assistant moderators, eh R&D? Like before :-) The format here makes all forms of interaction awkward and difficult to follow. Disqus (that I'm used to seeing) is somewhat easier, for sure, but it really needs moderators on all the time (for some reason, idk why exactly). Anyhow, there's a bunch of volunteers to help, FancyLad doesn't have to run it as a 'two man show' if he doesn't want to... If he wants to? No worries, it's his site after all! -)
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Male 982
Drunk thought at 2am my time: We need more boobs. I think most would agree. Boobs, anyone?
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Female 9,434
As a straight female, I would like some male eye-candy for myself to balance all the T&A for the guys.
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Male 1,366
You should post some. =) User-generated content and all that.
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Male 1,151
If I have to see another horseshit video from Servo.....
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Male 1,544
yeah those servo videos of him and his mom are cringeworthy. i remember!
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Male 7,961
I enjoy boobs as well as the next guy, but if you have trouble finding boobs on the internet we really need to talk. I'm not really interested in this becoming the chive. I already have a the chive.
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Male 19,981
I've been thinking about doing a late-night series of I-A-B posts -- not necessarily pornographic, but more "mature." Stuff that would shock you in the middle of the day, but appropriate for late night.
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Male 38,063
There's plenty of smut on the interweb already. I come to IAB for something better than that.
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Male 1,544
ditto gerry. i would like more science stuff its good for you. real science not graphs from coal companies. zing
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Male 295
Amen.
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Male 295
Amen
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Female 7,842
Great idea- just um- time zones? I don't give a crap, I don't work in an office or anything and I have a feeling sensibilities here aren't quite so delicate as there anyway, but just something to bear in mind!!
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Male 37,052
Ooo, time zones is a good point too! Some sort of "Nudity Wall" then, to prevent people from getting a shock when they hit that "see next/previous" link. :-/
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Male 37,052
Don't a few people complain about too much T&A? And IDK how one could hide the "Late Night" stuff during the daytime? Put a "Click Here To Proceed To Mature NSFW Content" warning on it? It's possible... Anyhow, it's not for me, I can find cute catgirls already :-) but if it boost "moral" and ratings? I think 95% of IAB members are over 18... just a guess.
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Male 37,052
@fancylad: This forum seems 'ok' too but still has flaws. IDK anything about it. Some guys in Spain run that company, but are fluent in English (and German, and Russian) I have no idea where they got the Forum from, or if IAB could use it too, but you could ask them there! :-)
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Male 19,981
Researching it now...
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Female 9,434
I already have an account on Disqus, so I wouldn't be panth753 if you change to that. But I wouldn't mind being a mod if you went that way.
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Male 19,981
@Panth753, you were a mod is the olden days, right? And from what I'm told, Disqus on I-A-B will be unique in that your I-A-B user name will carry over from what we're using now to the switch.
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Female 9,434
That's good if it could carry over. I I love this site, but I don't want my real name on here for personal reasons. As for being a mod, I wasn't ever one, but I wanted to be one. I'm online most of the day, so it would work out if I were one.
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Male 37,052
My entire group of messages was deleted? I fully explained the last time he attacked my disability here on IAB. But those comments are gone, except for April 17, 2016 at 8:58 pm, well fuck.
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Male 37,052
Oh hells bells, there it is! LOLZ! I slipped right by it!! Sorry to complain, my bad!! It looks like that one just got separated from the others? Or something... :-/
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Male 1,544
this is why i am bored rules. what kept me reading it for years and years but kinda scared to comment. conflict is drama its needed. ill never understand the whole stalking thing. its not stalking. just cause you get fired up doesnt make it illegal. and im speaking no to one cause i am a noob. im just saying, know what im sayin'
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Male 37,052
Zaprows: I fully explained how it is stalking, look up the word: that's what is happening here. Unprovoked hate-spam for months. I fully explained how it is a direct attack on my disability, but the comments are now deleted, just gone. So IDK WTF is the point, really.
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Male 7,961
Let's see rowsdower, normalfreak2, fancylad, duckboy87, buttersrules, elkingo, all have specifically disagreed with you in this thread alone. In the last 6 months of you pissing and whining like a petulant child not a SINGLE member of IAB has agreed with your "stalking" claim. Does that tell you NOTHING?
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Male 3,440
While I did disagree to the stalking claim, I think backing off a little wouldn't be too much to ask for, would it? I understand that you disagree with him and find him consistently hypocritical, and that you like to point out hypocrisy for what they are. Personally, I don't find @5Cats to be all that hypocritical. Sprinkles here and there, sure; but I find that all humans have their own hypocrisies. Can't you guys at least try to find some sort of compromise between you two?
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Male 2,362
I wonder if he regularly gets in a row with his mailman or accuses the regulars at his local coffee shop. I can picture him walking in several times a day, ordering a tea and complaining about how awful coffee is because of the caffeine, and that coffee drinkers are the worst.
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Male 7,961
I'll address you as much as I want and no matter how much you cry and whine like a little baby there is nothing you can do about it. It isn't called stalking. It's call internet. If you don't like it then stay off message boards.
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Male 37,052
@DuckBoy87 Since you don't know, or don't believe my account, how he has made unprovoked (his word) attacks on me since 2.0 began? Dozens of them, 100 perhaps? un-replied to for months: viscous, personal attacks, sometimes about me being disabled (he has admitted this). If you don't know that? Then obviously you can't conclude he's a stalker, duh? >>> I know better, I have all the facts and he has stalked me for quite a long time. His pattern of abuse goes back YEARS here at IAB. He continues to address me in threads outside of this one, in spite of my REPEATEDLY asking him not to. How is that not stalking?? If someone says "leave me alone, I want nothing to do with you" and for MONTHS they call you or knock on your door or SCREAM obscenities at you in public. That's stalking, right? >>> Aside from a VERY few times where I've asked him to stop stalking me, or objected to his attacking my disability or spreading lies? I have not addressed him once, nor replied to his bullshit, nor commented on posts he makes. He's a stalker, I do my best to utterly ignore him. In threads where I do address him? I read (most of) his replies and GIVE HIM an opportunity to actually discuss his issues. He usually just increases his flood of insults, lies and false accusations. Occasionally he makes reasonable comments, which is good, but they are few and far between. >>>What else can I do DuckBoy? Any ideas, I'm all ears... eyes? You know. :-p
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Male 7,961
Of course you are correct Duck because you are a reasonable rational guy. 5Cats said "I fully explained how it is stalking, look up the word: that's what is happening here" to which I replied "all have specifically disagreed with you in this thread alone.... not a SINGLE member of IAB has agreed with your "stalking" claim" because you said point bank earlier in the thread "I'd have to say that you aren't stalking" now he says "It's pretty clear that isn't the case" because apparently he doesn't know how to read.
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Male 3,440
@5Cats , in this tree, HolyGod says I disagree with you; which is true. Reading that sentence alone would imply that I disagree with you on every point; which is not true. His next sentence clarifies that he was referring to your stalking claim. Basically, what I'm saying is, how I personally read it, HolyGod asserts that I, and others, disagree with your stalking claim. I totally see how you could read it as I stated it my second point. @HolyGod (or anyone else for that matter), is my assessment of your(his) assertion correct?
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Male 37,052
Just FYI @DuckBoy87? The stalker claims you've backed his side in this issue. Looking at your comment? It's pretty clear that isn't the case, eh? >>> I have made EVERY effort to compromise over they YEARS he has been attacking me. I looked at an old IAB thread the other day, 2013 I think? There it was: the very first comment was him making very personal attacks against me. It happened a lot back then, and I finally gave up replying to him twice along the way. Those times he seemed to calm down, did not stalk me, and we returned to 'normal' conversations for a while... until his abuse increased again, and relentless attacks became too much, and I went back to ignoring him. >>>This last time? Right around when 2.0 began? He did NOT stop attacking me even though MONTHS went by without a single reply from me. In fact they got more viscous and personal as time went on. THAT is stalking. And here we are: I've proven he attacked me for being disabled, he has admitted it at April 18, 2016 at 2:40 pm there is no debate about that now. The only question is will @FancyLad ban him for it or not. REMEMBER this is one of DOZENS of unprovoked, personal, off-topic assaults with malicious intent. Stalking. It's not 'just one comment' it's a pattern of one-sided ABUSE across MONTHS of time. There should be no place at IAB for that.
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Male 622
Add me to this list.
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Male 37,052
Not gone or deleted! My mistake! They are up there, I just missed them. But at any rate: stalking is over a long time, not just one day or week. BUT that is what is happening here and now! This is evidence OF the ongoing stalking, not the entirety OF the stalking. >>>Part (but not all) of the stalking is attacking me for being disabled. The rest are also unprovoked, off-topic personal attacks too, spreading lies with malice. THAT is textbook stalking. And there's more, educate yourself.
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Male 2,362
5cats, you've made no indication that HG or anyone else has contacted you outside of this site we all frequent, let alone tried to reach you 'IRL'. Your slanderous accusations are unfounded.
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Male 14,778
Says Sarah Palin's science adviser...
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Male 37,052
The stalker has played this game before: demand a quote, fact or evidence, "just one" he says. I give him 1, 2, 3 or more. Nope! Those don't count, or aren't good enough, or he simply disagrees. That is the mentality we are dealing with here. >>>I gave him 3 one particular time, he "disproved" 2 of them (not really, but he thought so) and I asked him, what about the 3rd one? Changed subject, instantly, repeatedly: never once did he acknowledge or admit it was an unassailable proof. >>> So this game happens with him, because he is a stalker, and a troll. >>> Here comes a new "tree" because the old one was jammed up. Remember, he asked for 1, and there are many over the months. And regardless of it being "about disability" or not (it is though) it's a flat-out, unprovoked personal attack on me, specifically. That is what we like to see, dozens of times, here at IAB? Not me. Here goes:
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Male 37,052
One good thing about IAB 2.0's "no edit" flaw? He can't go back and alter his comment. Lolz! It's right there, if you think I've made it up? doctored it? There's an E-Z link to click on. >>>If anyone can explain how collecting (this is implied) "your tax dollars..." does NOT refer to my CPP Disability? Let's hear it! But for goodness sake, DO SOME BASIC research first! Or read a bit over there, before asking super-simple questions and then demanding links to the answers because you don't believe me anyhow...
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Male 982
I'm going to adress the first two sentences in this post, and ignore the rest...in relation to edit ability, my personal opinion is that editing should be allowed, but also that there should be a time restriction on the ability to do so. Enough time to allow for editing of typos, etc., or to add additional comments that often come to mind within a short period of hitting submit; but not full edit for all time, which, as you were trying to say, could alter the entire context of the thread through drastically altering the original post. I've been on other forums that allow editing of comments, either only for the first couple of minutes after a post has been made, or, in some instances, only until another comment is posted. The second option allows for full continuity of discussion, with no alteration of context, the former option allows for minimal disruption to context. Point in case, my 2 prior posts from April 17, 2016 at 2:11 am, and April 17, 2016 at 2:34 am. No posts occured in the time frame between the two; I would have prefererred to edit the original post and add the content of the second, as one post.
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Male 982
another reason we need an edit; I was referencing 5cats post of April 17, 2016 at 8:58 pm, but accidentally posted in the general thread instead of a direct response, which throws it several posts below that posts, killing all context.
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Male 37,052
See below, I totally missed my own comments, and wrongly thought they were deleted! :-O I fell out of the tree!
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Male 37,052
Yeah, the "trees" are Really difficult to follow! Disqus (that I've seen) looks cleaner, then multi-branches are easier to follow.
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Male 14,778
OMG, you're living off disability allowance and pensions? Isn't that the diametric opposite of your right wing political views? When did this come out? Hahahahahaaaaaa! I'm literally wiping away tears of laughter.
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Male 37,052
Fuck you Draculya, you have not only no idea about ME you also have NO idea how CPP Disability works. Educate yourself you ignorant asshole, stop sucking up to the stalker, you look pathetic. As MelCervini says: being disabled does NOT remove my human rights. I can hold AN OPINION on world events and if you don't like it? Refute it! But YOU (@Draculya) stooping to the same personal insults as the stalker tells me all I need to know about you, which I knew already but is once again confirmed.
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Male 37,052
@Draculya: The ACA has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with CPP. They are entirely different animals. One forces people to BUY private health insurance or go to jail. The other is a FUND entirely of worker's contributions (involuntary, yes) which is RE-PAID to them when they qualify!! Either retirement or... wait for it... becoming disabled! >>>How has the ACA helped America? 40% Higher premiums ON AVERAGE, for much lower coverage. 9 million (Net) more then those who gained, have LOST their private insurance entirely. Thus if 11 million gained private coverage through the ACA (a good thing!) then 20 million lost coverage (very bad!). Get it? It's the CBO's own numbers, not some right wing blogger. Oh, 36 million MORE are now on government programs like Medicaid, forced there by ACA's penalty tax. How has that made America better? >>>The stalker has admitted to attacking me for being disabled. How is that "debate"? He has attacked me without reply for MONTHS. Unprovoked, off-topic, personal assaults which went entirely un-replied to until very recently. (when his attacking my disability became his go-to choice) How is that OK with you? These are honest questions dude, not rhetorical.
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Male 14,778
"As MelCervini says: being disabled does NOT remove my human rights." We are in agreement on one thing: I fully support your rights to disability allowance and pension. You, do too. Where we differ is your politics that OTHER people in OTHER countries should not also benefit from benefits, whereas I think moderate social security is an ethical necessity in every developed country and lamentably unavailable in less developed countries. Please understand that you are not being persecuted. Disputing your logic by pointing out hypocrisy is debate.
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Male 37,052
Eh? Commenting on this one spot is broken. :-/ Anyhow, my opinions are neither "random" nor "hypocritical" unless you accept ONLY the words of the stalker and ignore all the facts, evidence, common sense, logic and decency. Then you could make a case... maybe. I mean he obviously knows better than I do what my life is, right? He claims he does, so that must be true... stalkers know better than their victims about everything....
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Male 982
Eh, buddy, eh, eh, eehhh...calm down, man, you'll give yourself a stroke. Seriously, chill and relax. Stop rising to bait, you're your own worst enemy. You rant about personal attacks, but then do them yourself.....direct quote: " Fuck you Draculya, you have not only no idea about ME you also have NO idea how CPP Disability works. Educate yourself you ignorant asshole, stop sucking up to the stalker, you look pathetic". >>> Fairly personal, no? Various ppl have posted negatively to you, and in some instances you call them stalkers, or various other things. But, fwiw, a lot of the shit flyng in your direction is predicated on the random and often hypocritcal stances you assume. Not trying to push your buttons, or piss in your pocket, man, but seriously, are you not able to see this? I disagree with almost every political opinion you have; but that being said, I have a very close friend with whom I disagree with every political decision he has. I'm a flag waving unionist and socalist, who can sing the Internationale in 3 languages....he's a far right wing conservative. But we're still mates, 'cos, politics aside, we have more in common than differences. So take a chill pill, and relax. Frankie reccomends it. In fact, Frankie says, relax.
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Female 3,282
so, only liberals and democrat-voters can be disabled? :B
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Female 3,282
@HG... does he rail against the programs or the abuses of them?
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Male 37,052
@MelCervini: This is exactly what the stalker has said, several times now. Also Canadians (or other nationalities) are NOT allowed to say bad things about Obama! Bush? Sure! But not Obama. And they (liberals only) are free to attack and insult ANY other leader or nation, of course. In their minds? This is perfectly reasonable, it's "Liberal Logic" at it's finest!
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Male 14,778
It's funny because it totally undermines everything he's said in recent years. To think all this time he was a Canadian dole scrounger living large off his more industrious countrymen!
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Male 7,961
No. Of course not. However if you live off social programs doesn't it seem a BIT hypocritical to rail against them?
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Male 37,052
From The Obamacare Thread Scroll down to April 14, 2016 at 1:17 pm, keep in mind: I HAVE NOT YET COMMENTED (check the times) but he has already made TWO comments insulting ME BEFORE this one. Before I have even said a word: a stalker. >>> "Do you Canadians [sic] with jobs get pissed that a portion of your tax dollars go to paying for 5Cats so he can just sit on his ass all day long posting and commenting on the internet about how horrible government and government programs are?" >>> It is so filled with lies, I addressed a few of them on that thread. the format here prohibits a proper run-down, but I can translate this for y'all: "5Cats is a fraud who improperly steals from the government because he doesn't want to get a job." >>>Again, most of this is discussed over there, and he admits to most of this translation! Of course he uses different words, but "you are not a contributing member of society" and "if you can comment on IAB you can get a full time job" AND other remarks from this and previous 'discussions' means that he's implying I am wrongfully collecting DISABILITY (there it is!) INSURANCE (he calls it 'your tax dollars, which is a lie, but he obviously refers to my CPP) correct? Otherwise, why would it "bother" Canadians if a legitimately disabled person (me) collects the safety-net insurance (CPP - Disability) paid for by the working people (Me included, before I had to exit due to... being disabled!). OK? THERE IS MUCH MORE but... format.
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Male 6,189
@5cats Unless you were making 6 figures prior to you needing CPP there's no way you are getting more than you put in. IE the taxpayers are funding you. (NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT) I simply wish you'd understand how there are more people like you who need it. They exist in Canada and America, not everyone on disability is a burden on society. Having social safety nets aren't a bad thing. The fact you rail against these core liberal ideals is baffling. Ask yourself how you would get by if that wasn't there? How many wealthy people have given to 5cats in his time of need? Would you rather be dependent on the kindness and generosity of others?
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Male 37,052
@normalfreak2 So THAT is how insurance works? You can ONLY collect as much as you paid for? That makes NO FUCKING SENSE at all. >>>He says the government, not "the taxpayers" and says CPP is a tax, while my links clearly say otherwise. The ACA Penalty is a tax, says American Courts, that does NOT apply to ME in any way! >>>Furthermore, he says people should "be pissed" that I collect it, why? If a legitimate disabled person lawfully collects the insurance they PAID FOR ALREADY why should that upset anyone? Ever? >>>Obamacare is NOT "core liberal values" it is an abomination. >>>WHY should my POLITICAL OPINION alter the legitimacy of my collecting insurance? Explain in detail why a Canadian offering criticism of an American political policy disqualifies me from collecting it? Because that is what "baffles you" right? That I get CPP and also dislike Obamacare. YOU think I should shut up and be silently grateful... but the two ARE NOT CONNECTED even remotely! CPP is not Obamacare, and the ACA is not a "core liberal value". Unless you can prove BOTH those claims you make? You are dead wrong.
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Male 37,052
So no Conservative should ever buy insurance, since it's immoral to collect it? And no sick person should even seek help from others? That's not what society is for? Nope. That's just fucking dumb bro... SOME government MUST exist or it isn't a society, it's chaos and anarchy. Aren't Christians supposed to look after widows and orphans? Tend to those in need? And people call me a hypocrite? :-/ But NO ONE calls me a liberal, that's just stupid...
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Male 5,620
"Why are you opposed to helping those who genuinely need help?" Spoken like a true liberal.
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Elkingo: So collecting the INSURANCE I paid for (CPP - Disability describes itself as a 'form of insurance' because it is!) isn't 'conservative'? Should NO conservatives anywhere buy insurance, ever? Is that your idea? Or we should pay for it, but NEVER collect when we are faced with a catastrophe? >>>I'm glad you have such high standards, but not everyone is you. Some people can run a mile in 4 minutes, can you? No? Well, why not? Because different people have different capabilities, abilities and resources. That should be obvious. >>>Conservatives everywhere say a "social safety net" for those in dire need is required for a civilized society to function. We differ from liberals only on the size & scope of that 'net'. My choices were to get CPP or live in a cardboard box, ok? You believe the mentally ill should just become 'street people' and end up in jail? Why are you opposed to helping those who genuinely need help? >>> CPP-D exists so that those unable (like me) to work CAN remain off the welfare rolls, you have a problem with people staying OFF welfare? >>>Finally: your form of "conservatism" works for you, but don't place YOUR demands on others... that's real liberalism baby! You're a liberal elk!!
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Male 5,620
Conservatives: we pay our own way. No exceptions. Be responsible for yourself and your family. The world does not owe you a damn thing. ____________________ Liberals: Rely on a social program from the government when times get tough. Don't be accountable when you get disabled, you tried, that is good enough. That is why we have these types of things. We deserve them and are entitled to them. ______________ Now, does it sound like you are a conservative? Uh, nope. Sounds like the latter to me. You're a liberal kitty.
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@5Cats "Since the CPP is ENTIRELY FUNDED by workers (me included) not "tax dollars" (from general revenues) I'm failing to see how that could possibly be the case." And just where the hell do you think those benefits you receive come from? A Canadian Monopoly man? Yeah. Some guy, rich as crap, bought up the place on the board for the "CPP" and was like, "Aw Hell, I guess I gotta pay out 5Cats from now on! You win some, you lose some!" Uh... no.. It comes out (forcibly) from other Canadian's income. Everyone in the rest of the world calls that a TAX. Except you. For some reason NO ONE understands. "How is collecting WHAT I PAID FOR a "liberal life"?" Conservatives (Like myself) do NOT accept it. They find a damn way to work, rather than playing on the internet all damn day bitching about how other people ought to pay for their damn CPP disability. I could have gotten SSI disability for my arthritis. I didn't. I don't believe in it. I went back to college and achieved FOUR degrees. So I could go back to WORK. I also refused any gub'ment money for my education.
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stalker: you've previously admitted several times before (not this thread, duh) that your attacks are COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED. Are you calling yourself a liar? How can you attacking and insulting me 3 times (in the thread in question) before I've even made a comment be in any way "provoked" by me? How can hundreds of unsolicited, unreplied to comments, made by you, be in any way "my provocation" of you? You cannot even make a convincing lie about it: you change the subject ASAP as usual. You change the subject on yourself, because even you cannot believe the bullshit you shovel... it is obviously AN ATTACK on me, personally, without ANY provocation on my part. Period, you've admitted it here (it's an attack) and previously (unprovoked), end of discussion.
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Male 7,961
You need a thesaurus 5Cats. "Unprovoked"? My opinion of your hypocrisy is provoked by your thousands of comments and hundreds of posts on the subject. "Malicious intent"? If you're getting your little feelings hurt, sorry, but that's not what I'm setting out to do. I'm calling you out exactly how I see it. How elk sees it. How Drac sees it. How Jay and Mars and others see it. "Depravity"? Do you even know what that word means? My comments to you might be hurtful or harsh because the truth sometimes is, but they don't even verge on depraved. Do you notice that you have used the word "stalking" probably 100+ times in the past month and not A SINGLE member of IAB has agreed with you? Even the "neutral person" you mentioned SPECIFICALLY disagreed with you about it.
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stalker: you personally attacked me for being disabled. Period. Unprovoked, with malicious intent. The rest is moot. You have admitted this. A neutral person has also said this is the case. Stop changing the subject. You are simply floundering, the desperation is palpable. >>> Unprovoked, repeated, personal attacks, including specifically attacking someone for being disabled, is not acceptable here at IAB. Everyone can agree on that, and it's high time it stopped. I don't know what more @FancyLad needs? The stalker admits he did it others say it's real, I officially protest this ongoing abuse. Well, it's up to Fancy in the end. I hope he does the right thing, or the stalking will just double in frequency and depravity...
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Male 7,961
"Hey! You paraplegic in a wheelchair? Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and walk" No jackass. They don't have to walk. However they have a choice, they can live off the government, as they qualify, or they can find a job within their abilities and support themselves. They can't work construction, but they can probably do data entry. You have the same choice.
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Male 7,961
"Since the CPP is ENTIRELY FUNDED by workers" BY TAXING THEIR PAYCHECK. "Don't conservatives buy insurance policies?" Keep screaming man, NOBODY is buying it. Even people on your side of the political spectrum are calling your bullshit. Twist it however you want. Doesn't change the facts. You DO NOT live off private insurance. You didn't call your insurance agent, look over policies, and mail a check. The GOVERNMENT passed a LAW and TAXED your money. Then the GOVERNMENT sends checks to people. Own it. Stop making excuses. I don't have a problem with it, why do you?
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Male 7,961
You have the RIGHT to be a HYPOCRITE and we all have the RIGHT to CALL YOU OUT ON IT. Aren't rights fun?
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Male 37,052
And elkigo? If you say my RIGHT as a human being to hold and voice my OPINION is suspended because I'm disabled? Because I collect insurance? How are you any different than the run of the mill bigot? >>>Q: Do you hold ANY opinions on OTHER nations leaders? Positive or negative? You have thoughts about Putin? Or Raul Castro perhaps? Ever once spoken about it? How is that any different than me expressing my opinion?? >>> The ACA has failed utterly, this is a fact shown by the CBO's own report. Not ONE goal has been accomplished, after all those billions spent. People are (mostly) far worse off, poorer and with less coverage than before the ACA, exactly as we warned. So drat you if you think my disability means I should sit silently and blindly obey my masters. Just think about what you've said, my right to speak does not hinge on my political orientation in the slightest. Be a good little cripple and shut my mouth? No.
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@elkingo: I'm doing WHAT NOW? Stealing from the next who? Since the CPP is ENTIRELY FUNDED by workers (me included) not "tax dollars" (from general revenues) I'm failing to see how that could possibly be the case. >>>I collect disability INSURANCE which I qualify for. How is collecting WHAT I PAID FOR a "liberal life"? Don't conservatives buy insurance policies? Ever? Or are they, in your mind, NOT ALLOWED to collect legitimate claims, because of their political viewpoint? YOU KNOW NOTHING about my situation, so don't believe the stalkers word over mine for fuck's sake! Shake yourself awake man. >>>Hey! You paraplegic in a wheelchair? Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and walk. Stop stealing from children you fucking parasite!! Other people have done it, why don't you? >>>Fuck that elkingo, how can you claim to work in the psychiatric field and say such horrible bullshit? >>> If I WERE able to "cure myself" I'd have done so 20 years ago! I'll e-mail you, because I refuse to supply the stalker with more information to attack me with. And yes, every tiny detail he can find? He uses it to attack me. Unprovoked, Unreplied to, off-topic assaults.
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Male 37,052
Hey stalker, you've admitted to attacking me for being disabled, you have nothing left to say. Of course you'll still try with your pathetic excuses, your attempts to change the subject, they usual crap you do. It's simple: you want to prove me wrong? Then stop stalking me.
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Male 7,961
"I hope @FancyLad lowers the banhammer ASAP. Or pass it to me and I'll do the job" Get a fucking clue man. Nobody agrees with you, including Fancy. Stop begging its just pathetic. You want people who call you out for your bullshit to be banned go start your own site because Fancy obviously isn't going to do it.
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Male 7,961
Hey 5Cats. Read through the comments in this thread and count how many people side with you and how many side with me. Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Male 7,961
Well that was one hell of a smack-down elk.
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Male 5,620
You are receiving the benefits that are screwing the next generation. You bash the hell out of the American equivalent. Your posting conservative views, yet you are living a liberal life. You're a hypocrite, because your "opinion" is to cut off Americans from the same types of benefits you enjoy. I may adamantly disagree with how these benefits are distributed, but I find your hypocrisy utter horse-shit. Who the hell are you to run down my fellow countrymen? It isn't your taxes that are paying for these programs. It is MY taxes. You have no right to complain about them. You didn't earn or pay in one red cent. You are making a mockery out of conservative beliefs by crying like a little bitch about Americans that receive them. I find you offensive, trolling, and insulting when you talk shit about American policies and benefits. So, fuck you. Either get off the draw, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and support your damn self, or politely shut the fuck up about American politics and policies. Either that, or quit crying like a beyotch when people point out how hypocritical you are being.
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Male 5,620
Conservatives from America (like myself) who deal with SSI disability (comparable to CPP disability) would call for audits. We would call for fraud investigations and drug tests on everyone (that would be you @5Cats) who receive it. We would want you rehabilitated and back to work. We would want your benefits reduced, or cut off. We would want you to WORK. Full time. At some place like McDonalds. We gives no shits. Our taxes pay for it. We find it insulting, degrading, and pathetic. It is robbing our children of future taxation (which is the fear that will happen to the CPP - because baby boomers will age!). We (conservatives) refuse to get on the draw, and would cut off people who refuse to rehabilitate and go back to work.
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Male 5,620
Just to put it in perspective, because, well, I don't care what people think about me. I was unemployed for 6 months. I didn't draw a single benefit. In fact, I qualified for long-term unemployment, HUD, Welfare, Food-stamps (SNAP), medicaid for my kid, WIC, and hell I dunno what all else. I drew zero cents per month. I made due. I live what I preach. I am a fiscal conservative.
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Male 37,052
And here it is! The stalker denies saying it, then REPEATS it for all to see! >>>Tell me, and this is a very easy question: what evidence do you have that I don't work? Yet you attacked me for collecting disability while not working? Based on what? >>> You just said it again! You want to mince words? That you 'only' attacked because I collect disability AND complain? That isn't what you said in the quote, adding more words now is just another attempt to lie your way out of this. >>> Not only are you wrong, about me not working as best I am allowed to by my doctor(s) BUT I still have every RIGHT to hold and express an opinion on IAB. So you attacked me for holding and expressing an opinion WHILE BEING DISABLED. That's what you've just said, again, clear as day. >>>The "very" social programs? The ACA is the exact same as the CPP? nf2 wondered why I mentioned it, and here's the answer: because the stalker says I am not allowed to complain about the ACA because of my CPP benefits. You are dead wrong, on so many levels about the ACA = CPP. I have already proven it previously. >>> Since you have confirmed attacking me over my disability, I hope @FancyLad lowers the banhammer ASAP. Or pass it to me and I'll do the job.
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Male 7,961
"You suggest here, and have plainly said before, you think I'm a fake or a fraud." / I've never said that once. You are a pathological liar. I've simply pointed out that unless you are in a fucking coma NOBODY is too disabled to find SOMETHING they can do part tiem from hoem if they want to. You know you could if you wanted to. That in no way means you aren't still entitled to disability. / "What is it if not referring to me collecting CPP Disability?" / It is referring to you collecting WHILE devoting so much of your life to ranting AGAINST the very "liberal" social programs you depend on to survive. / "you still attacked my being disabled" Nope. I never have and everyone but you gets that. Just read the responses from lefties, centrists, and righties alike.
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Male 37,052
All "government money" belongs to the citizens. Sheesh. The entirety of government is supposed to 'belong to' the citizens it serves, duh! The reverse is not true, since everything owned by citizens does not belong to the government. Not all government income is "taxes" either. >>>Anyhow: your hair splitting is moot: either way, you still attacked my being disabled in your (quoted above) comment. You have not addressed that issue at all.
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Male 37,052
You have it backwards, stalker: is all citizen's money "government money" is what I asked. Does there exist money that does not "belong to" the government? Yes, obviously. >>>And anyhow, it doesn't matter if it's "tax money" or not: you still attacked me for colleting CPP Disability. I've reiterated this above, and will do it again here: you still, regardless of who the money belongs to, attack me for collecting it. Period. You suggest here, and have plainly said before, you think I'm a fake or a fraud. That is false, slanderous, it is a baseless personal attack. Here you are saying others should be "pissed" over my situation. What is it if not referring to me collecting CPP Disability? Be precise.
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Male 7,961
"If you or the stalker cannot tell the difference between "government money" and "citizens money" then you're both basket cases for communism." / ALL GOVERNMENT MONEY IS CITIZENS' MONEY. Where the holy fuck do you think the government's money comes from? CITIZENS' MONEY is taken from them by the government and given to you. Get over it and deal with reality.
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Male 37,052
nf2: you've ignored everything I've said and changed the subject, why should I bother? You've agreed with the stalker, encouraged him even, both here and in the past. If you or the stalker cannot tell the difference between "government money" and "citizens money" then you're both basket cases for communism. >>> Is every penny a government collects 'a tax'? No it is not. Are speeding tickets taxes? Yet an arm of the government collects them. >>>Nothing in the link you gave disproves one word of what I have claimed. It is still separate from tax revenue, and no other "tax money" comes from the government to pay claims. Period. >>> AND EVEN IF it was a tax? So what? He's STILL attacking me for BEING on disability pension! You have not touched that one, too busy weasel-wording and splitting hairs. So deal with the part about him attacking my being disabled, stop trying to ignore the fact: when he says "government money" he refers to my CPP Disability Insurance. He says people ought to be pissed off that I receive it, how can this NOT be a personal attack about my being disabled? Explain.
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Male 6,189
@5cats What in the world are you going on about? I didn't bring up anything about your personal life. The CPP is paid for by you, me, any Canadian that is working. You don't put in what you get out. The wealthy pay a "tax" for the Government to run this. It's a Government run program. it's not privatized. http://www.esdc.gc.ca/en/cpp/index.page
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Male 7,961
"Of course I am grateful for CPP existing! When have I said otherwise? I appreciate my fellow CANADIANS (not the government) funding a safety net which helps me with basic survival." Not the government? EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT DOES IS FUNDED BY THE PEOPLE. Where do you THINK the "government" gets the money?
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Male 6,189
I am not talking about the ACA here, I was purely speaking about the CPP. That's it. I've stated many many times I'm in support of a single payer system in America.
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Male 37,052
Of course I am grateful for CPP existing! When have I said otherwise? I appreciate my fellow CANADIANS (not the government) funding a safety net which helps me with basic survival. >>>YOU say I should also blindly accept the American ACA in its entirety because of that? You demand my silence? No. My human right to hold and express an opinion is not lost because I'm a disabled person. If I am wrong about the ACA? Talk about THAT, not my fucking disability which has nothing to do with it! Disprove the CBO's own numbers, go on! DO IT! But leave MY FUCKING PERSONAL LIFE out of it @normalfreak2, have you no shame? >>>You are one step away from the same bullshit as the stalker... I suggest you take a look at yourself before making demands of me.
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Male 7,961
CPP is paid for with tax dollars. Are we arguing that fact? Is it optional? Did you opt in? Do you send your money to a private insurance company? Or is it just like social security? Social security TAX is withheld from every one of my paychecks. It is a SOCIAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM FUNDED BY TAXES.
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Male 37,052
It doesn't matter if it's "a tax" or not: you still attack me for collecting CPP Disability. Simple. You say people should be pissed because I do: why? Because you've clearly said several times before I'm either faking, or don't deserve it. You form it as a question here, but doesn't that still mean the same thing? (See, it's a question that means the same as a statement, ffs). There is ONE question central to all this and you have refused to answer it, as predicted: does your statement attack my being on CPP? Yes. If not? Explain what it does mean. I've explained my reasons above already, refute them or admit you did it. >>> This is all that is required from you: stop stalking. Do that and nothing else matters. Stop attacking myself OR OTHER IAB Members for being disabled. (Which you have done in the past. You are a repeat offender.) Stop stalking ANYONE and personally attacking them like you've done here. Simple. That is all I want from you, nothing less and nothing more.
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Male 37,052
And again! He admits it a second time! He's attacking my GETTING DISABILITY. Why would he have any basis for calling me those other names if I wasn't disabled? And does he think BEING disabled means I have no right to speak? Seriously, take your pick: he's either attacking my receiving Disability Pension OR saying disabled people have NO RIGHT to talk negatively about the government. Either one is a clear attack on MY disability. As well as both being pure bullshit, it's one of dozens of UNPROVOKED PERSONAL ATTACKS he freely admits to making against me... I'm taking some screen images...
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Male 3,440
@HolyGod , and that is the beauty of human nature; to be able to agree to disagree, and to be able to perceive things differently.
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Male 7,961
@DuckBoy87 you are certainly welcome to your opinion, just as he is, but I totally disagree. "Do you Canadians with jobs get pissed that a portion of your tax dollars go to paying for 5Cats so he can just sit on his ass all day" is ABSOLUTELY a personal attack. However, I said ""Do you Canadians with jobs get pissed that a portion of your tax dollars go to paying for 5Cats so he can just sit on his ass all day long posting and commenting on the internet about how horrible government and government programs are?" The point is not the disability or not working its the fact that he spends so much time shitting on the very kinds of programs that he lives off of. That is the whole point. Its the hypocrisy. If I was a canadian and working all day so my money could take care of him and he just pissed and moaned about liberals and the governmnet I'd think he was an ungrateful little bitch.
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Male 37,052
Thanks @DuckBoy87, I appreciate the judgement of a neutral party such as yourself. I regret even mentioning the tax thing, it was to illustrate just how many lies he packed into one short comment. There were a bunch! Next time I won't allow such things to distract me, if there IS a next time, hopefully NOT eh? I honestly hope he stops stalking me for whatever reason. It has to end. >>> So he has admitted that he attacked my disability, and now a neutral person has agreed with me on the one important issue: the personal attack one. The tax thing is moot, it really doesn't matter. >>> The point is: UNPROVOKED personal attacks on a person's disability have NO PLACE at IAB. I think everyone can agree on that, right?
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Male 3,440
(Boy this thread is mess, so I'll just leave this here) @HolyGod , that quote that 5Cats posted, I would consider that an attack on 5Cats. Whether intentional or not, you are rallying other Canadians to be angry at 5Cats for being disabled AND collecting from CPP. (Emphasis added to show that 'and' is a 'logical and') I understand the point of the statement (pointing out hypocrisy [whether or not it actually is or not is not part of this debate]), but that doesn't undermine that I think it's an attack. >>> Conversely, @5Cats , the money taken out to fund CPP can be considered a tax. It's taken out of worker's/business's pay/profits to be used to fund public services(CPP). It may not be pooled into where other taxes get pooled into (the state coffers), but I don't think that that is relevant in determining what a "tax" is. (Note: the word 'state' is used in the legal definition)
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Male 37,052
Oh, admitting you have been stalking, admitting you have attacked me for being disabled, admitting to spamming personal attacks without reason, agreeing to a non-stalking set of future behaviours: that's all part of "stop stalking" FYI. Otherwise it's right back to how it's been: you stalk me, attack me, deny it even exists. Nope, change is required here, this has gone on far too long.
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Male 37,052
And you are still attacking me for collecting disability insurance. Even if it were "government money" you still attack me for getting Disability Insurance. That is what I get, and you know this! >>> It's right there: "...Canadians with jobs get pissed (off)" at me for collecting it? How is that not an accusation that I don't qualify? That I'm not getting it properly or legally? WHY would anyone be "pissed" unless that is the case? Thus: you are saying (and HAVE said several times before, but it's right here by itself) I am defrauding the system, that I am not legitimately disabled, that I am a liar, a cheat, a criminal. Based on... what? Your VAST knowledge of medicine, psychiatry, Canadian law? What exactly? I submit: you are wrong, I know MY situation better than you do. But you are a stalker, and cannot see that.
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Male 37,052
stalker - No. Simply repeating your opinion is not a proof. I have provided link(s) which clearly state it is 100% funded by workers: NOT by taxes. It is entirely separate from the "tax revenue pool" and counted separately on various forms and such. Separate, managed by "the gov't" but in fact NOT funded (keyword!) by the gov't tax revenue. By me. The money I paid into it is held in trust until I am eligible to collect it: for being old or... being unable to work. Period. >>>Just because YOUR courts ruled Obamacare WAS a tax (actually? the PENALTY was a tax) that does NOT APPLY to Canada. (And because if it's not a tax then the Obamacare Penalty was ILLEGAL but that's another story. The US Gov't cannot punish or fine someone for refusing to BUY something from a PRIVATE company under the US Constitution without due process, if ever. But they can tax... Americans!)
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Male 7,961
"which clearly state it is 100% funded by workers: NOT by taxes" HUH? What income taxes aren't funded by workers? Its a tax. If the government mandates it and automatically takes it form your paycheck it is a tax. Do you not know what TAX means? Tax. noun 1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
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Male 7,961
"Do you Canadians with jobs get pissed that a portion of your tax dollars go to paying for 5Cats so he can just sit on his ass all day long posting and commenting on the internet about how horrible government and government programs are?" / And I completely stand by that. However, in no way doe that attack your disability. I don't know what you are talking about.
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Male 37,052
stalker - I explained it clearly, many times now: the money I collect is from CPP - Disability, it is for my being disabled: nothing else. Explain what you referred to then? If not CPP then what? What "your tax dollars" do you refer to? Your words, not mine, explain them if you don't like my interpretation. >>>Why would a disabled person (me) collecting lawful support (CPP) from a social safety net designed to do exactly that, why would that "bother" (get pissed) ANYONE? And yup, you followed your pathetic pattern to the letter so far. Again.
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Male 7,961
You said this in a previous post: "It is a separate deduction, put directly into the CPP funds, NOT the “revenue pool” of “Tax Dollars”. It has a separate box on our paystubs, and is calculated separately from “income tax deductions” entirely." I absolutely get that. Its the exact same way Social Security works. There are federal income taxes taken out, state taxes taken out, and social security taxes taken out. just because it is a separate deduction doesn't change anything. It is still absolutely A TAX. Pissing and moaning doesn't change the fact. I think maybe the reason you get so angry is because deep down you know you live off taxes and you are embarrassed. You shouldn't be. The program and government on a whole exists to take care of people who can't take care of themselves.
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Male 37,052
stalker - I told you where to find it. I'll quote it (are you that lazy?) but you'll just deny it, as usual. I absolutely guarantee this: it's your pattern, you follow it to the letter every time: 1) say outrageous shit to get attention. Lies, attacks, you have no morality. 2) when a reply arrives, asking you to stop, you gloat, giggle like a schoolgirl, then continue the attacks & lies. 3) when some of the lies are disproven, you a- change the subject b- DENY or double down c- whine that you are being attacked 4) at any point, you will add more attacks and/or change the subject. You do not (except ONCE in all of 2.0) stay on-topic while properly answering questions and/or offering valid reasons. Repeating your lies is not a 'valid reason' ok? You've done all these things here, as usual.
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Male 1,151
I'm just gonna grab a few Old Fashions and let 5Cats and HolyGod duke it out.
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Male 19,981
@whipplefunk: that's my drink! CHEERS!
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Male 229
Echo the previous comments on paragraph breaks and pictures in comments. Other than that, love what's been happening so far! This place...just...feels better without Demand. Keep it up!