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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2014 at 7:40 am
    Link: Raising Wages - Senator Mcconnell wholeheartedly believes in it.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:01 am
    He should be tossed out, they all should be. I`m in favor of everyone making more money and lots of it. I can guarantee you getting the government involved with wages will make the situation worse.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:15 am
    That`s not true onoffonoffon. You can`t expect capitalism as it stands today or the true capitalism to care for people. By definition it doesn`t. Something has to protect the people the greater good. capitalism doesn`t do that.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:18 am
    I think you missed his point.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:27 am
    A**hole. Vote all these leeches out when the time comes.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:53 am
    Hey, I voted against that bastard in the primary. Matt Bevin just didn`t have the support.

    But you Liberals aught to love him, he voted every single time to fund Obamacare.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 11:54 am
    McConnell has saved 1 job since being in office in Kentucky... his.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2014 at 12:03 pm
    when im king of america all politicians will get paid the median house hold income.
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    August 10, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    That`s the trouble with politics: politicians.
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    pianok Male 50-59
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    August 10, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    I say again, if the people would vote that all elected officials were to be paid minimum wage, then the minimum wage would be unbelievably high.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    @normalfreak2 -
    thats the problem, capitalists have "bought" the politicians. they work for them. they have no interest in helping if it does not make them a profit. this is one of the main things we need to fix before any real change can happen.

    sad part is any change that would limit this sort of behavior has to be passed by them. meaning they secured their future by taking away ours. Welcome to America!!!
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm
    @elkingo -
    "But you Liberals aught to love him, he voted every single time to fund Obamacare. "

    are you a liberal? seems like you want higher min wage(which goes against the rights ideal) yet you dont want obamacare. i get obamacare is crap. i would greatly prefer a true socialist healthcare system but this is what we get when we take an idea from the right(remember it was Romneys plan).
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
    349 posts
    August 10, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    "You can`t expect capitalism as it stands today or the true capitalism to care for people."

    No "ism" cares for people. People care for people.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2014 at 2:00 pm
    thats the problem, capitalists have "bought" the politicians.

    That`s the problem with any political system dude. Knowing this, how would you expect them to NOT corrupt the healthcare system you describe?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm
    The reason why people think capitalism won`t work is because we do not have a free market. Large corporations have manipulated the government to the point that capitalism largely doesn`t exist.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    Anything becomes bad when taken to the extremes.

    Capitalism is awesome and is what has built our country with the freedom and encouragement to "get rich" by advancing industry, medicine, technology, etc. But now it has been taken to the extreme - people are free to continue to profit, at the expense of others` hardships, safety and financial ruin. They buy the politicians and other agencies with bribes legalized as the support from "lobbyists" to perpetuate the self-proclaimed righteousness of their "American Way(tm) of everything they do.

    The result is the rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer and the middle class vanishes. The rich in this scenario are the elite blood-suckers on the economy - when they`ve sucked every last dollar they can out of the economy they move their operations to poorer countries and sell the same products and services back to Americans.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    Raising minimum wage will NOT fix anything. If employers` payroll costs go up, then benefits go down and prices on their goods and services go up. Great, you make 20% more money, now everything costs 20% more. Do you honestly believe that any CEO or stockholder will "take the hit" and eat the cost of raiing minimum wage.

    In the end, the poor will lose exactly what they gain, the rich will gain exactly what the lose, and the middle class will lose while gaining exactly f`ing nothing. But yeah, keep pandering to the voters who only vote what they read in headlings, "We want to raise minimum wa...." "I`M FOR IT!!!!!!!!"

    f`ing idiots.
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    Twinklestein Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2014 at 7:40 pm
    "Raising minimum wage will NOT fix anything. If employers` payroll costs go up, then benefits go down and prices on their goods and services go up. Great, you make 20% more money, now everything costs 20% more. Do you honestly believe that any CEO or stockholder will "take the hit" and eat the cost of raiing minimum wage. "

    and then there`s those of us that are making slightly more than minimum wage. We don`t even get the pay increase before the increase of the cost goods and services bends us over and gives us an unlubed piece of luvin`
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 10, 2014 at 8:19 pm
    I`m sorry, but it just isn`t worth the effort to try to teach basic economics to f***tard liberals.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 10, 2014 at 9:50 pm
    "I`m sorry, but it just isn`t worth the effort to try to teach basic economics to f***tard liberals."

    I`m against having any minimum wage, let alone raising it, but this logic is ad hominem and undermines y(our) position.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 10, 2014 at 10:37 pm
    ...but this logic is ad hominem and undermines y(our) position.
    I don`t dispute what you said, but on the other hand, I really don`t give a f*** anymore. I`ve explained this a dozen times, and what good has it done?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    August 10, 2014 at 11:16 pm
    OldOllie

    "I`m sorry, but it just isn`t worth the effort to try to teach basic economics to f***tard liberals."

    I don`t necessarily think you understand economics all that well. Everything you say is straight out of an econ 101 book which has almost no value in real world economics.

    Its like learning 8th grade physics and then trying to apply it to quantum mechanics.

    Although, honestly it is really hard sometimes to figure out what you think or know since 75% of your comments are bulls.hit like this.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 11, 2014 at 12:34 am
    Its like learning 8th grade physics and then trying to apply it to quantum mechanics.
    The fact is, if you don`t learn 8th grade physics, you will never understand quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics does not falsify 8th grade physics.

    The stuff you learn (or in your case, failed to learn) in your first two semesters of econ is all true. It tells you how a free market economy works. Everything after that just tells you how to f*** it up.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    August 11, 2014 at 1:25 am

    oldollie is a political puppet. You can tell by his blatant use of the term "l**tard". The incoherent comments and off topic sentences don`t help either.

    It`s too bad though. Politics aside, he is funny.

    He`s like those Hollywood actors which everyone wants to like, but can`t because he won`t shut up about politics.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 4:36 am
    turdburglar: "oldollie is a political puppet."

    Then what does that make you and HG? Because you two act like you don`t read anything but MSNBC, HuffPo, and Daily Kos.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3906 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 5:35 am
    I completely understand that raising the minimum wage isn`t the end all solution. The solution is to put in place an economy that can`t be used to buy off government. Problem is they are there and when are they going to vote against their own interests? It`s been proven now that we`ve elected the SAME people back into congress that we don`t want change. People are happy with a do nothing Congress and that`s sad.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 7:10 am
    OldOllie

    "Quantum mechanics does not falsify 8th grade physics"

    If you don`t know that there are lots of things in classical physics that break down on the quantum level then I can only assume you don`t understand something. Some reading.

    "The stuff you learn (or in your case, failed to learn) in your first two semesters of econ is all true"

    Seriously? There are all sorts of principles in basic econ that don`t translate into the real world. When did you take econ anyway? 1970?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 7:18 am
    Crakr

    "Then what does that make you and HG? Because you two act like you don`t read anything but MSNBC, HuffPo, and Daily Kos."

    I literally never watch MSNBC. I watch FOX more. I hate punditry even when I agree. Not once in my life have I specifically gone to HuffPo or Daily Kos. If I have gotten there it is because I searched for information and their link came up.

    See if I went to a specific viewpoint like Kos then everything I got would be that viewpoint. I usually just google something and then try to find the least-biased source of information.

    My guess is you go right to a source like drudge or breitbart or theblaze and that is why EVERYTHING you say is only from one view.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    August 11, 2014 at 7:20 am
    Crakr

    "Then what does that make you and HG? Because you two act like you don`t read anything but MSNBC, HuffPo, and Daily Kos."

    Jesus man. Most of the views I express on here are liberal, except for abortion. I have lots of conservative views, but those topis don`t come up as often on here.

    Turdburglar is at worse in the middle. I used to think he was a hard line conservative until recently.

    See your problem is that you are SOOOOO far right that everyone looks like a liberal, even centrists.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3489 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    @HolyGod: I wouldn`t go so far as to say that the principles of economics have no place in the real world. You`ll find most business owners, economists, stock brokers and even the CBO agree that price and wage controls distort the allocation of resources. I`m sure you would agree that raising the MW to a million dollars would not help people because of the inefficiencies it would cause.

    We can look at history, take the 70`s when at times price ceilings were set on gasoline. It caused shortages, just as models predicted, and people were forced to wait in long lines for gas. A dead weight loss was incurred as drivers sat motionless with their engines running as they waited in lines. Not to mention the opportunity cost for such things as the drivers time. It also led to corruption, again as anticipated, when people began stealing gas from others.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    @elkingo: Lol don`t complain too much my representative is Barbara Mikulski and in the house it`s Elijah Cummings, I think you can imagine how I feel.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2014 at 1:13 pm
    @normalfreak2:
    "It`s been proven now that we`ve elected the SAME people back into congress that we don`t want change. People are happy with a do nothing Congress and that`s sad."

    People don`t usually understand that long standing incumbents often give their area a real advantage. Higher standing in committees, more money being devoted to their state or district, and more sway with the rest of of the congress are just a few perks.
    I personally see it as proof that we need a reduction in the size of the federal government. People usually like their representative but hate other peoples representatives. If you don`t want to be influenced by another parties politics reduce their ability to influence your local political structure. Your own vote becomes more powerful and the power of PAC spending is reduced in your election.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6781 posts
    August 11, 2014 at 1:21 pm
    richanddead

    "I wouldn`t go so far as to say that the principles of economics have no place in the real world"

    I didn`t say it had no basis. However things that are rules in econ 101 get distorted in real life.

    Some people on here like to pretend as if the cost to produce a good or service is related to its price. That`s bulls.hit.

    If it was true a pair of nikes would cost $30, not $250. The only thing that sets the price of a good or service is how much a company can get for it. Cost to produce just decides how big the profit is.

    The point is that half of America seems perfectly willing to have a serf class of working poor with no chance at a reasonable life because they want someone to look down on.

    We as a society allow a corporation to make billions while their employees are paid so little they need to be on food stamps. I find that morally reprehensible.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2014 at 2:03 pm
    HG:
    "cost to produce a good or service is related to its price. That`s bulls.hit."

    Well it does have an impact as far as the level of supply is concerned. Obviously, a company is not going to sell a good below what they are paying for it. But the price is effected by the demand as well. More people want Nike shoes the higher the price.

    "The only thing that sets the price of a good or service is how much a company can get for it."

    Not quite take insulin for instance it has a perfectly inelastic demand curve. No matter what the price is if your diabetic and you don`t buy it your dead. Obviously setting the price to the equilibrium maximizes profits for the company but it also manages the resources at hand.

    " because they want someone to look down on. "

    I disagree with this rational, I feel it because their is little competition and no tort reform which lowers the equilibrium wage.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2014 at 2:04 pm
    "We as a society allow a corporation to make billions while their employees are paid so little they need to be on food stamps. I find that morally reprehensible."

    As do I, but lets examine that for a second. Why do the employees rush at such a rate for these low paying jobs. Because as you raise a minimum wage the small businesses that make low profits are either wiped out or have to reduce their work force thereby adding to the number of out of work workers. Each person at low paying jobs know they can easily be replaced and the big businesses know this too and act accordingly. If they don`t then the big business will itself diminish until it too goes under or is bought out.

    As the small businesses are strangled, they can not innovate, can not sell items as cheaply, can not hire as many workers or do as much business, and so they go out of business leading to monopolies and the troubles we are faced with.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2014 at 2:12 pm
    Then you have other problems like automation of the work force. As the minimum wage increases, the cost of automating your work force is comparatively lowered. Once automated, the jobs don`t come back, and more people go out of work.

    I`m not saying companies are angels but as you increase minimum wage you monopolize the markets and empower the biggest ones, once businesses grow to a certain level even governments have a hard time restricting them and your problems exponentially grow.

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