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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    August 4, 2014 at 9:03 am
    Link: Feminist Bytches - This makes my brain hurt.
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    MelCervini Female 40-49
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    August 4, 2014 at 11:46 am
    the true definition of "numb c*nts"
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    August 4, 2014 at 11:48 am
    I`m guessing the rape ones are fake.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2014 at 11:56 am
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    August 4, 2014 at 11:56 am
    Actually stated common law concept

    "Drunken consent is still consent"

    Not to be confused with being too drunk to consent. This is why we need to be able to have a sensible conversation. Sober consent=consent, passed out drunk = no consent.

    But there is this massive spectrum in the middle and you usually end up with a guy believing she consented and feeling terrible and a women believing she was too drunk to have consented and feeling terrible. It`s a terrible situation and breaks your heart for both of them.

    So next time someone says don`t drink too much, it`s not that it`s your fault but it can stop a situation like that happening where no real justice happens and lawyers don`t have to read tons of cases on was it, wasn`t it rape.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    August 4, 2014 at 12:00 pm
    rape is nothing to joke about. and the thought of accusing a boyfriend of rape because he`s a dickhead is disgusting. and if she actually went through with police intervention she should be prosecuted to the FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:00 pm
    paperduck-I`m guessing the rape ones are fake.
    Sadly, it`s entirely too possible that they are not.

    @Mr_Pedo_Bear
    While everything you make sense, when you tell people to `Not get so drunk you make bad decisions`, they look at you like you`re an idiot and start ranting about how you`re `blaming the victim.`

    I still find it hypocritic that the girl can be too drunk to make a good decision, yet the guy is `responsible` no matter how drunk he is.

    Unfortunately, the idea of personal responsibilty is an alien concept to most people.
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    KitFox Female 30-39
    595 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:04 pm
    I`m fine with the first one, but the other ones are ridiculous.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    @Mr_Pedo_Bear
    While everything you make sense, when you tell people to `Not get so drunk you make bad decisions`, they look at you like you`re an idiot and start ranting about how you`re `blaming the victim.`

    I still find it hypocritic that the girl can be too drunk to make a good decision, yet the guy is `responsible` no matter how drunk he is.

    Under the English Sexual Offences Act 2006 only men can commit rape. It involves a Penis(can be an artificial penis like with a sex change) penetrating an anus mouth or vagina (includes artificial vaginas) without consent. Rape is a sexist crime because only men can commit it.

    Women can commit sexual assault but not rape.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:10 pm
    MeGrendel actually fun fact. A guy who has a foot fetish and works as a shoe salesmen can actually be done for sexual assualt on a women, because he has intent to derive sexual pleasure from it.

    But in theory if im at the pub with a group of friends, if i was to touch their breasts as a joke. (Something i`ve actually done to prove this point) It`s not sexual assualt if I can prove their was not intent to gain sexual satisfaction and i reasonably believed they`d consent to it. disclaimer if it`s obvious they`d over react or you`ve done it before an they said they didn`t like it then yes it`s sexual assault as you know they don;t consent.
    The thing with sexual offences it`s usually relying on the consent and intent questions.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:12 pm
    Final fun fact Brits if you were born before 1991 in England and Wales. You could be the product of legal rape, where a man was legally unable to rape his wife as consent was presumed to be always given.
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    GeoffwasHere Male 40-49
    202 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:33 pm
    I had a female instructor at an Outward Bound course when I was young. She brought a book with her on our outings. It was a collection of famous poems written by all of the most famous writers of their time.

    She gave it to us to read if we had some down time. I started reading it, and noticed that she had crossed out all the words that had man or men, or mankind and hand wrote some "gender neutral" replacement for them. A lot of them were simply crossing out `man` and writing `woman` instead.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
    3844 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:34 pm
    I think all of them are fake or joking. It would just be too insulting to actual rape victims to take rape so lightly like this. I have been very insistent in teaching my sons that "No means No" when they are playing around, so that when they are older, they will have it ingrained that "No means No" - but these kind of jokes (and, please, God, let them be jokes) undermine women everywhere, since it weakens the meaning of "No" if "Yes" also means "No"

    The good news is that high school kids where I work have been taught to ask permission for any contact - "May I kiss you?" - because, who wouldn`t feel thrilled and loved to be asked, even if the answer is "no" it is still greatly respectful to ask. If the answer is yes, even better that you asked. And it takes away that awkward "should I, or shouldn`t I?" situation.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
    3844 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    @Pedo Bear - under the UK definition you gave, a woman can rape a man if and only if she sodomizes him with an object. So, a woman CAN rape a man, but it isn`t likely to happen without seriously evil intentions.

    Secondly, the foot fetish one, only if he actually performs a sex act. There was a guy creeping around at the college where I work (yes, I work at both a high school and a college, the high school kids get college AP credit) claiming to be studying to be a massage therapist and would give women a free foot massage. After three victims noticed he was stroking his dick with his other hand, he was arrested.

    The foot massage wasn`t the sexual assault (since the women consented to that act), it was the sexual gratification, that made it an unwanted sex act. So, a shoe salesman is NOT committing a sexual assault, until the instant he starts wanking in the store, or gets an obvious hard-on or something, and it becomes a sex act.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6203 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    slut etta

    "rape is nothing to joke about. and the thought of accusing a boyfriend of rape because he`s a dickhead is disgusting."

    Whoa, whoah, whoah. How`s he a "dickhead"? All he did is break up with her because she cheated on him.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:06 pm
    LandoGriffin You`re wrong.
    if she sodomizes him with an object. That would be sexual assault. It needs to be a penis(legal definition of penis includes an surgically created one) it cannot be an object a dildo, strap on are objects it`s sexual assault.

    Secondly, the foot fetish one, only if he actually performs a sex act
    George – For the Actus Reas of sexual assualt a shop worker touching a womans feet in the course of business was deemed touching in a sexual manner under s78(b) because he had a foot fetish the mens rea(intent part) was deemed not to be there if it was would have been sexual assualt. He doesn`t need to commit a sexual act in the way you are explaining, all that would do is help prove the intent, the touching feet was the sexual act according to law. Since that case the Sexual offences act has changed and there is a different standard for the mens rea. But the precedent for the actual act being a
  17. Profile photo of Mr_Pedo_Bear
    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    LandoGriffin Sorry it`s 2003 Sexual offences Act So much stuff to remember dates can be a bit off sometimes

    Trust me, I know the UK law probably better than anyone on this site.
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    JDplaysFF Male 30-39
    626 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:15 pm
    Man I feel sorry for the poor schmucks out there trying to find a partner. Imagine you`re fishing, and there was a chance to fish up a live grenade missing its pin...
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    A-Dent Female 70 & Over
    26 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:21 pm
    This crap is not in any way feminist, and I whole heartedly agree with Mr. Cleese.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    I hope to heavens her professor marked her down for bad spelling....
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    AnTi90d Male 30-39
    124 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    God bless Cleese. He was always my favorite Pythoneer.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:35 pm
    I`m fine with the first one

    Why? None of the words (or any others, as far as I know) have anything to do with the extremely recent changes in the meaning of the word `man` in English. `woman` comes from the Old English compound word `wifman`, which meant `female person`. `human` comes from the Latin word `humanus`, which meant `of people`. `person` comes from the Latin word `persona`, which meant `person`. Time travel from the present to bronze age meditteranean and early medieval England seems a rather unlikely explanation.

    Would you, to pick one example from the many possible examples, change the word `duck` because it happens to share 3 letters and a syllable with the word `drat`?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6203 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:38 pm
    slut etta

    "rape is nothing to joke about. and the thought of accusing a boyfriend of rape because he`s a dickhead is disgusting."

    Whoa, whoah, whoah. How`s he a "dickhead"? All he did is break up with her because she cheated on him.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:40 pm
    This crap is not in any way feminist

    Why not? It`s about more for women, so it`s feminist. It might not be feminism you agree with, but that doesn`t stop it being feminism. Plenty of feminists think some other strain of feminism isn`t feminism either because it`s too extreme or because it`s not extreme enough or simply because it`s different to their views, but approval by all other feminists isn`t what makes something feminist.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    God bless Cleese. He was always my favorite Pythoneer.

    The image of him that comes to mind when I read his name is him reclining on a table in a wood, wearing a bikini and solemnly saying "And now for something completely different".
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
    500 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm
    Please tell me those are fake or I swear to all that is holy I`ll go and smash their brainless neck lids in. People like that should be put in special places. Bars and polstered cells come to mind.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    Three craziest stories I`ve heard. Ex-wife steals sperm from bank; ex-husband has to pay child support. Ex-girlfriend saves condoms, gets artificially inseminated; ex-boyfriend has to pay child support. 34 year old neighbor statutorily rapes 15 year old boy; 15 year old boy has to pay child support.

    Why are these women even allowed to keep the childen? shouldn`t they be in prison?

    On the other hand. 18 year old male statutory rapes 14 year old girl. She keeps baby. Male pays restitution instead of child support, so he has no visitation rights.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 3:39 pm
    So, this whore goes to Big Lots to buy a case of condoms and pays for it with a $100 bill. The cashier says, "I`m sorry, I can`t take this bill. It`s counterfeit."

    The whore responds, "Oh my God! Call the cops! I`ve been RAPED!"
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    @OldOllie Fun fact not paying a prostitute isn`t rape under the law. The fun things that judges have to decide on.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
    3844 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 3:51 pm
    PedoBear - I wasn`t trying to correct you, I was just relaying an anecdote about when consensual touching (foot massage) becomes an unwanted sexual act. But I am glad that you posted a link to the actual UK law, I didn`t realize you were being so LITERAL about its specificity to men.

    The law stated that, by definition, "rape" is when A MAN penetrates another person with HIS penis. I simply did not believe the law literally stated "A MAN" until you posted the link.

    Yup, under UK law, a woman can NOT rape a man, a boy, or another woman (unless "she" is a post-op affirmed male). Not even if she sodomizes him with a cricket bat, or a carrot, or even her hand. The law actually says only men can rape.

    That`s pretty drated up, I wonder what someone who believes in equality (like Angilion, who is easily the LEAST sexist person on this site, if not on Earth) has to say about that
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    @Landogriffin I actually see some errors in Angilion understanding in this issue. With the equal pay legislation here in the past he has repeated "news stories" and anecdotal evidence about how equal pay legislation works which was factually incorrect.

    But he was against it, so might not be such an equality nut as you believe.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 4:00 pm
    LandoGriffin but yeah I don;t generally do Sexual offences but it`s crazy some of the arguments which come out of them.

    We know the whole post op penis counts as a penis, as a person tried to claim sexual assualt instead of rape claiming their penis didn;t count. Same with the post op vagina.

    Now think about the fact most judges demographically are old white males and then they are having to debate about whether a penis counts for the effect of the law.

    trolololol

    I also laugh at the drug murder cases I know im a bad person ;)
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 4:18 pm
    But he was against it, so might not be such an equality nut as you believe.

    Against equal pay legislation? No. As long as it`s actually equal. There`s a lot of inequality about equality. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" as Orwell put it.

    I`m still not convinced that it`s "factually correct" that men automatically get compensated when women win a ruling that two different jobs should have the same rate of pay and that it`s sexism against women that they don`t (regardless of the sexes of the people in the jobs). Can you provide references?

    My position is that a person`s sex is almost always irrelevant and should be ignored in all ways at all times except when it is provably relevant and only to the extent that it is relevant. My position is also that the entire concept of gender shouldn`t exist other than as statistics irrelevant to any individual.

    So yeah, equality nut.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 4:40 pm
    Angilion, I don`t have a good source, as I don`t feel like digging through the basement for my old textbooks, but in the case of teachers, females were generally paid less than males. When this was corrected, it became general policy, in most school systems, for the salary schedule to be posted where all employees have access to it.

    Everyone making less than the new salary was given a raise regardless of gender. How many men actually got raises alongside women? I`m not sure. I assume it was a small amount. But anyone going into teaching, male or female, knew that they would be getting paid the same amount as anyone else regardless of gender. I believe the military made the same move as well, and most government jobs.

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    iamatree Male 18-29
    551 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 8:22 pm
    I really hope this weird neo-feminist movement of crying rape and stuff is purely trolling, because if it isn`t... I don`t think I could handle it.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 8:59 pm
    "This crap is not in any way feminist, and I whole heartedly agree with Mr. Cleese."

    That`s like a muslim saying ISIL and Al Queda terrorism isn`t islamic. It the crime is carried out by their kind, according to the rules of their kind, then it`s their kind.

    F the Feminists!

    The funny thing is these women who think they`re so hot are really powerless once we get them to fall in love with us (or in love with the idea that we are their ticket to a good life). The trick is to protect your interests from divorce with a prenupt, a trust and other similar measures. Then you own her.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 9:18 pm
    F the Feminists!
    You`re welcome to try, but I guarantee you won`t like it.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 10:42 pm
    Having been involved with feminism in one way or another since the late 70`s and seen a lot of changes in the way people think, and lurked in some of the more ridiculous subs online I suspect these more outrageous and silly comments come from the very young. Some professors go down rabbit holes-and women like Solanos were obviously ill. Sadly, as in any group, the extreme ones are also vocal, and certain arguments (wearing hijab for example) with very grey areas are easy to bring out the idiots. I am sure some of these ARE trolling, and those that aren`t have woefully misunderstood the ideas they have been given. For many of us older women now what we struggle with is intersectionality- and making sure our priviledge as relatively wealthy middle class people doesn`t blind us to problems faced by others.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 11:30 pm
    I think some of you are confusing "Feminism" and "Ignorance".
    Contrary to your closely held beliefs, they are NOT the same.

    Feminism is nothing more than a demand for equality which is NOT an unreasonable request, but, as with any group, you have your wing-nuts and your extremists.

    Barry Goldwater Republicans know what I am talking about.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 4, 2014 at 11:55 pm
    Angilion Am I to show you Lawyer correspondence?

    It`s not been formalised in law yet but this is generally what happans when a company loses an equal pay case.

    Lawyer= Ok now this woman has better terms than the men on A B and C. The men can now sue.
    Company= drat this I don`t want to raise their pay
    Lawyer= Do you want to pay and go through another court case and get same decision int he end?
    Company=Fine I`ll pay

    Birmingham council case has actually lowered some mens remuneration packages and raised others in response to the claim.

    But the Gov. is formalising it. The Equality Act 2010, had a provision for equal pay audits. Every company past 150 staff would have to do one. Coalition edited it and is in th process of implementing it. They will be ordered by a Tribunal on a company who loses an equal pay claim, and hadn`t completed one in 3 years prior.

    The reason for the pay audit? It goes further than the decision it affects c
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 12:02 am
    My position is also that the entire concept of gender shouldn`t exist other than as statistics irrelevant to any individual.

    Noble aim, but I`d say it`s ignoring that women have a set pre disposition to certain characteristics. And the role in society in forming roles, or state institutions which have been designed to perceive women in certain ways.

    We have the society we have not the society you want.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 12:04 am
    Just noticed this didn`t post everything.
    "The reason for the pay audit? It goes further than the decision it affects "

    it affects change on all levels of the company and not just the level the claim happened at.
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    barry9 Male 70 & Over
    673 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 2:32 am
    madduck again speaks sooth.

    I wish we had a poster who contributed meme gifs of all the shrill, drated-up stuff that MRA dickheads spout, then it`d be more obvious that these kinds of comments come from immature, clueless people, not conspirators with an agenda.
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    spanz Male 50-59
    833 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 2:47 am
    these women fit neatly in the lower left corner of this matrix:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU&feature=youtu.be
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 3:14 am
    As always the old "no true Scotsman" fallacy comes out.

    These ideas are feminists. They are spread by feminists. The ones about rape are being used currently in US universities to destroy men, and are currently being encoded into law.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 3:18 am
    paperduck

    The rape ones are mild. In US universities there are dozens of cases where men have been disciplined, even expelled, because of cases like this. Even the "victim" going for dinner after the alleged offence has not been a defence.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 4:35 am
    it`s not a `no true Scotsman` fallacy. This kind of voacl extreme idiot is not representative of the majority, and thus the majority should not be condemned because they exist...
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    Daegog Male 30-39
    1301 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 6:56 am
    This is just like the gun nuts.

    So off the wall and ridiculous (like carrying a gun into an airport), they distract from the real issues and make their concerns seem trivial and nonsensical.

    Rape and women being abused is a huge problem, this stuff however, denigrates the women that have been raped/molested.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4756 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:21 am
    These women are not feminists. They are, very simply, a$$h*les pretending to be feminists. They should only ever be permitted to have lesbian sex since they can`t be trusted near a penis.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:24 am
    Everyone making less than the new salary was given a raise regardless of gender. How many men actually got raises alongside women? I`m not sure.

    Different scenario. That`s simply equal pay for the same job.

    The scenario I`m refering to is this:

    People of both sexes are employed in job A.
    People of both sexes are employed in job B.

    Job A pays less in some way than job B.

    A ruling is made that this is sexism against women, so women in job A get compensation for the past and either they get increased pay in the present and future or people in job B get a pay cut.

    Pedo Bear`s comment about men in job A also getting the increased pay if women in job A do isn`t what I want evidence of. I want evidence of his claim that men in job A get the compensation for job A being paid less in the past as well, since that was ruled to be sexism against women and therefore can`t be applied to men.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:28 am
    it`s not a `no true Scotsman` fallacy. This kind of voacl extreme idiot is not representative of the majority, and thus the majority should not be condemned because they exist...

    But if they didn`t exist, the majority wouldn`t be able to use them as a diversion when the majority are condemned for that which is common to all of them.

    Assuming that this claimed majority actually exists, of course. It`s very easy to claim that whatever version of an ideology you support is the version supported by a silent majority that does has no apparent effect on the ideology.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    August 5, 2014 at 7:31 am
    Darling- don`t dig yourself in further- it`s not helping!!
  53. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:33 am
    These women are not feminists.

    Yes, they are. Some feminists would say that they aren`t feminists and they would say that those feminists aren`t feminists. But they`re all feminists because they all advocate for more for women (who conform to what they think women should conform to, of course - group advocates are always like that).

    These aren`t even close to being the most extreme feminists. Feminism covers every degree of antimale sexism, up to and including a final solution to the male problem. Hey, it`s equality don`t ya know? If sexual equality is about one sex only (which is the mainstream feminist view as well), then perfect sexual equality is only one sex existing.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:39 am
    Darling- don`t dig yourself in further- it`s not helping!!

    That`s hardly a compelling, rational argument with strong supporting evidence.

    The odd thing is that I was once in your shoes.

    It`s not easy to admit that you`ve spent years promoting an ideology that`s fundamentally opposed to what you actually want because you fell for its lies, especially when you have friends still in it. It`s like leaving a cult. It`s much easier to pretend it`s not what it is and carry on regardless.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:51 am
    Noble aim, but I`d say it`s ignoring that women have a set pre disposition to certain characteristics.

    Do they really? Many things along those lines have been claimed in various times and places, but that doesn`t make them true.

    If they are true, it is nature or nurture? Gender lends itself extremely well to being a self-fulfilling prophecy. If people are conditioned from birth to be <x> because of their sex, most of them will conform to some degree.

    Even if it is true and it is nature, note that I said gender should exist only as stats irrelevant to any individual. Maybe there`s naturally an x% higher rate of something amongst women or amongst men. Fine, if it exists then it exists. But it shouldn`t be applied to any individual, who should be free to be themself and not have to conform to whatever is average for whatever sex they are.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 7:51 am

    And the role in society in forming roles, or state institutions which have been designed to perceive women in certain ways.

    Which I don`t want to exist, remember. I was talking about what I think should be. That`s why I used the word `should`, not the word `is`.

    We have the society we have not the society you want.

    No, really? Well, that`s a surprise!

    I was talking about my position, what I would like to happen. I did not in any way say I was talking about what does happen.

    Also, I notice that in response to me talking about gender, you interpreted that solely in terms of women. That degree of casual sexism is one of the things I think shouldn`t exist. Note that is not the same as claiming that you don`t exist.
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    Torq Male 40-49
    358 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 8:47 am
    "And the role in society in forming roles, or state institutions which have been designed to perceive women in certain ways."Society is not some big monster. It is made up of people. When you blame "society" you`re saying "people form gender roles". I have to put that in the DUH category. Stop blaming society. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Why is it if she gets drunk and says "yes" she is not responsible for her consent and it`s rape, but if he`s drunk he IS responsible for his consent in the deed?
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    jay Male 30-39
    1579 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 10:35 am
    I have a hard time believing these "comments" from "feminists" are even real...

    As for why men aren`t excused for "rape" while intoxicated, it probably has to do with the fact that a sickening number of men would then always use that as an excuse..
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    Heliquinn Male 18-29
    50 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 10:40 am
    The internet has the same effect on people as other forms of media. Ridiculously out of proportion mentalities such as these are given light and so with enough posts and exposure it creates a riot and clamor that this particular brand of thinking is common or widespread. Never in my life have I ever spoken to a human being who even came close to representing this ideology. Yes, people may think this way but I feel that it is such a crippling minority as to be of no consequence. Posts like these are meant to stir up vehemence and argument and are completely void of purpose even on an entertainment level because chances are half of those posts are fake to ensure that those very undesired emotions are brought up.
    Ridiculous.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4756 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 11:43 am
    "These women are not feminists.

    Yes, they are."

    No they`re not. Not really. Not when you consider that the purpose of feminism, originally at least, was to ensure that women get an even break, equal consideration, which is something I can understand and agree with. This is an attempt to gain superiority. A "New Feminism", perhaps, which is really, at it`s heart, total BS since what these women are looking for is superiority of consideration.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4756 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 11:50 am
    @Angilion,
    Your comment about nature vs nurture is a good point. My personal feeling on that is that nature gave us these roles through the use of hormonal differences that gave men and women somewhat different tendencies/abilities because we needed differing roles in ancient life. Now those "nature" roles have been reinforced through "nurture" in a time when those differences aren`t so important to our lives.
    No research here, just my opinion.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 11:50 am
    As for why men aren`t excused for "rape" while intoxicated, it probably has to do with the fact that a sickening number of men would then always use that as an excuse..

    That wasn`t the point. The point is consensual sex. The standard for consent shouldn`t depend on the person`s sex. It does and that`s wrong.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 11:57 am
    No research here, just my opinion.

    It`s a reasonable one and might be true. Humans are not immune to evolution, so it`s plausible that there would be some degree of adaptation to widespread sexed roles over a long enough period of time and those sexed roles did stem from necessities of life in the circumstances that existed for most of the existence of humanity.

    But even if there is a "nature" aspect to some parts of gender (most of it is obviously nurture, since it changes over short periods of time and in different places), then it should still be statistics not applied to any individual because that is enforcing gender on everyone regardless of whether or not it applies.

    At best, it`s like making everyone wear clothing sized for the average size for people of their sex. Size is definitely gendered by nature.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    No they`re not. Not really. Not when you consider that the purpose of feminism, originally at least, was to ensure that women get an even break, equal consideration, which is something I can understand and agree with. This is an attempt to gain superiority. A "New Feminism", perhaps, which is really, at it`s heart, total BS since what these women are looking for is superiority of consideration.

    The first printed mention of "New Feminism" as you describe it was in the 1920s, but it was probably being said earlier. It`s an excuse that has existed as long as feminism has existed.

    Feminism has always been advocacy for female people because that`s what it is. Over and over again, some people mistakenly think it`s about sexual equality because that`s the big lie of feminism, very useful propaganda.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    Some of those people eventually come to realise that the reality of feminism doesn`t match that lie. What can they do? It`s part of how they define themselves. It`s part of many aspects of their lives, including many of their friends. Do they jack it all in, lose their friends, maybe lose their job, lose a large part of the self-identity and admit that they`ve wasted years working against what they actually wanted because they believed a lie? That`s a big thing to do.

    Much easier to combine deliberate ignorance of past and present, "no true Scotsman" fallacy and rosy spectacles to create a fiction of a completely different feminism in the past that`s the real feminism and dismiss the actually real feminism as no true feminism and ignore the fact that it`s running the show and always has been because that`s what the show is.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 2:59 pm
    jaysingrimm-As for why men aren`t excused for "rape" while intoxicated, it probably has to do with the fact that a sickening number of men would then always use that as an excuse

    That`s not the issue. The issue is that women can decide AFTER the fact that they didn`t mean it, and it`s then considered rape. But the guy does not have the same protection.

    So, the official stance is `Women are not responsible enough to make good decisions, and can be excused from those decisions. Men are resposible for thier decisions, no matter what.`.

    Sounds like a sexist double-standard to me. Isn`t that what feminism is supposed to be against? (If not, they it`s just blatant hypocrisy.)
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    jay Male 30-39
    1579 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 6:29 pm
    The guy has the protection of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".

    A guy is just as welcome to ACCUSE a woman of rape after a night of drinking...it`s just not necessarily a valid defence for either...but in each case it`s up to the courts and a jury of your peers to decide...
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 6:41 pm
    Jay, if the police refuse to arrest, or the prosecutors refuse to prosecute, what is a man to do?

    What about the many states and countries that have not made male rape illegal?
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    jay Male 30-39
    1579 posts
    August 5, 2014 at 11:18 pm
    Wir uber andere Lander zu sprechen? Quand a ete mentionne Ce?

    Being that "Rape" isn`t defined as only applying to women, I would be interested to see which states have therefore made exceptions as you claim...

    Are officers entitled to refuse to allow people to press charges or file civil suits where you reside?

    I`m aware prosecutors may choose to hold off making an indictment until more or better evidence is presented. They don`t generally want to take on cases they know they won`t win..an acquittal (in your country, not mine BTW) usually means they can`t bring the case to court again even if better evidence does present ("Double Jeopardy")...
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5884 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 6:31 am
    jaysingrimm-The guy has the protection of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".
    You haven`t been paying attention to what`s going on on our college campuses, have you?
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 7:09 am
    @jay
    Civil suits can`t give jail time. What good is winning a check from someone who can`t pay? Even if they do have money, you will probably spend it all on therapy.

    As for charges, you can file charges. The police can`t stop that. However how much they investigate is up to them, what they report is up to them.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 8:53 am
    [quote">Pedo Bear`s comment about men in job A also getting the increased pay if women in job A do isn`t what I want evidence of. I want evidence of his claim that men in job A get the compensation for job A being paid less in the past as well, since that was ruled to be sexism against women and therefore can`t be applied to men. [/quote">

    Men getting paid and backdated
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 9:08 am
    You`ve posted that link before. It hasn`t changed. It still isn`t what you claim it is.

    You still cannot provide evidence to support your claim that when women get a ruling that different pay for different jobs (with people of each sex working in each) is anti-female sexism and get compensation for it, men also get that compensation.

    If you have any evidence for your claim, tell me what it is.

    If there were any women working in that job, the same applies to them - can you prove that they got the compensation that the men got? Not the new rate of pay - the compensation for previous "sexism".

    I wonder how long it will be before that law gets changed so that men can`t use it.
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    jay Male 30-39
    1579 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 11:03 am
    @Kree

    Are you suggesting that officers (where you reside) blatantly ignore evidence that could lead to a conviction?

    @pedo

    First off, your link informs us that due to changes in legislation, revisions need to be made to the page...

    Secondly, I find it interesting that you cite another nations legislation, other than your own, or the person to whom you are speaking to..

    @Grendel

    You mean this? Have you been paying attention to what has been happening in OUR colleges and universities....education?

    In Canada it`s just all "sexual assault" by the way, not defined as being committed by specifically Man or Woman...maybe you do all need to "catch up"...
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    yes. yes they do.

    quite often

    annecdotal blog?
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    jay Male 30-39
    1579 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 5:46 pm
    Three links, two cases, four years apart in different states is often?

    Anyhow, I`m not going to argue...perhaps your justice system does need reform.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    August 6, 2014 at 8:58 pm
    two self identified attorneys state that police don`t have to investigate if they don`t want to.


    "thousands" of reported crimes ignored.

    police did not fill out incidents reports for 40% of sexual assault cases.

    police refuse to retrieve up to 90% of wanted felons from across state lines.
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    Laran Male 40-49
    467 posts
    August 5, 2015 at 3:29 am
    @Jaysingrimm if I got you blackout drunk at a party, and then some Feminist decided to shove a bloody pineapple up your ass while you were passed out, I`m pretty sure you would feel raped.
    Males CAN be raped by Females.
    Anybody can rape anybody, regardless of gender.
    Only a brain dead moron would think otherwise.

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