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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2014 at 6:17 am
    Link: 5 Israeli Talking Points Debunked - Addresses all of the none sense arguments justifying Palestinian civilian deaths.
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    Doiknowyou Male 30-39
    937 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 7:23 am
    Enter 5Cats...
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    obertoe Male 30-39
    32 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 7:36 am
    Any way you look at it`s war. That`s what happens in war, people die. It`s sad. If they wanted the killing to stop they could stop it.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 7:42 am
    We will get peace in the middle east as soon as those in charge believe their citizen`s lives are more important than arguing over who is more wrong.
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    gymcoach29 Male 30-39
    363 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 7:47 am
    Dont give a poo. There are only 2 things that matter. 1) Israel is our ALLY and 2)Hammas and the other Terrorist groups surrounding Israel has publicly said they want Israel wiped out. Any other argument is pro-terrorist and ANTI AMERICAN.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 7:48 am
    Let`s "debunk" these supposed debukings.

    The UN itself has condemned Hamas, for using UN funded schools and hospitals to hide rockets and weapons. Hamas has used hundreds of children to build tunnels, that they use for surprise attacks and suicide bombings. Btw, they specifically target Jews for these attacks. Gaza is indeed "hostile territory" because it`s leadership is indeed hostile, in every way possible, to Israel.
    Israeli forces have called off many many attacks based on information that civilians were present, even if that meant exposing their troops to more hostile fire.

    And next time, quit quoting HRW. They are a liberal shill for Hamas and Hezbollah and have never had anything bad to say about the atrocities the palestinians commit. To them, no matter what happens, it`s all Israel`s fault.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2014 at 7:53 am
    clearly Liberal propaganda!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 8:08 am
    HAHAHA! @paperduck! You have NO credibility! None.

    You tried to "prove" the IDF "murdered kids on a beach" and then linked a story which showed:
    - the IDF fired at VALID targets: buildings
    - the kids were HIDING inside and near the buildings

    YOUR OWN LINK said that!

    And you expect anyone to believe this crap? SMH.

    #1 The UN says so, everyone EXCEPT HAMAS says so.
    #2 This part makes zero sense. Gaza was Jew-free, it`s borders were OPEN including to Egypt.
    Hamas has spent BILLIONS on terrorism and little on it`s own civilians.
    Rockets have safe bomb shelters, citizens DO NOT.
    #3 Yes, it is in response to unrelenting TERRORISM including rockets, tunnels, commandos and bombs. It changes subject inside it`s OWN ARGUEMENT... ffs...
    #4 ipso facto, Israel is CORRECT! Talking points from 2006???
    #5 This is fact. The UN says so, video proves it. HAMAS SAYS SO!

    @paperduck, just MOVE to Gaza already.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 8:16 am
    Enter 5Cats...

    @Doiknowyou: With things like truth and facts! Thanks for your support!

    Time after time the propaganda is exposed: Hamas has a HUGE propaganda machine, gleefully aided by MSM `reporters`. Journalists are moved, BY HAMAS from site to site and told what they can and CANNOT report on.
    Amazingly, there`s always a spectacular show waiting for them! What are all those screaming people doing inside those hospitals? Placed there for the cameras...

    They`ve faked "news" 100 times before, and will continue to do so. Why not? See how effective it is? And by the time it`s disproven? They`ve got 2 MORE fake stories out...
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    som-tam Male 18-29
    713 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 8:26 am
    Israel`s biggest problem, as far as the PR war, is that they are not prepared to risk 1 Israeli life. No matter what happens if they try to protect their own citizens (ie bombing a rocket launch site that has a civilian human shield).

    If they aloud Hamas to succeed in their efforts to kill as many jews as they could then they might get more sympathy (although much of the anti-israel rhetoric is not about sympathy for palistinians but a rather more ugly emotion) but they would lose their integrity.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2014 at 8:48 am
    It`s nice to be informed, it`s great to learn new things.
    This topic though, has been done to death lately- irony intended. It is not sparking- with a few exceptions- much in the way of intelligent conversation, but is a wonderful forum for a few- and you know who you are- to engage in strident, mean spirited dialogue.
    I, for one, will be glad when short attention spans move on to the next Cause de ce moment.
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    7D Female 40-49
    17 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:08 am
    where is McGoven? enlighten us with your Fox news take on this. We need stupidity added.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:17 am
    Human Shields
    Don`t let the headlines fool you, it`s @paperduck`s "proof" of IDF "crimes"...

    Meanwhile? EGYPT is fighting Hamas as well! Troops against insurgents, blowing up tunnels, Rockets Killing Egyptian Children BUT the MSM has not ONCE reported on that!

    Hamas Gunmen Assault Egyptian Checkpoint Killing 15, but that`s "not news" either...
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:27 am
    As an atheist, I see both sides of the death-toll of this conflict
    When the non-muslim religious fighters die, all they have to do is totally repent their sins. All is forgiven and they are allowed to enter heaven with the other repenters: hitler, stalin, amin, bokassa, rasputin etc, who all repented before they died.
    The muslims will all be martyrs, and as a matter of routine and will enter heaven without trouble.
    The children who are not old enough to have been indoctrinated into a faith will just rot, the same way that atheists do.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:39 am
    Both sides are morons. But for first time i see people globally getting fed up with Israels tactic of: "peace" negotiation, provocation, play the victim card and kill Palestinians indiscriminately.

    They have done this for years, claim to negotiate while doing everything they can to provoke the opposition: beating, murdering, taking their homes until they get backlash, then claiming to be the victim of an attack (that usually don`t even kill anyone..) and lashing back with force. And Hamas is stupider than stupid to react the way they always do by shooting fireworks at IDF that has 11th strongest army in the world.. This is something that repeats every two years.

    And no 5Cats, it`s not Hamas propaganda. The thing is, USA and Canada, you wont get to see any real news about Israel at all, there is WAY too big christian audience that still believes it`s the Holy Land and they need those Israelis there to fulfill a prophecy.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    379 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:45 am
    I don`t have a 10-foot pole, but if I did I wouldn`t touch this with it.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 9:51 am
    CreamK - re your 3rd paragraph. - Surely you are not suggesting that the US and Canadian press withholds the truth from it`s public are you? tell me it`s not true. Tell me they are not afraid of their paymasters.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    @5cats it`s interesting that you are attacking me (for suggesting this post) rather than addressing any of the legal arguments in the article. Truth be told, I didn`t think more from you and expect scholarly rebuttal. This post is for other discerning members of IAB, so carry on insulting me or my credibility (though I didn`t write the article).
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm
    Well, the article started out with a bald-faced lie: "As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip..." That`s where I stopped reading.

    The FACT is, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely and turned over their settlements to the Palestinians. They even handed over operating businesses. One of those businesses was a greenhouse that grew flowers for export and employed several dozen Palestinians. When Israel pulled out, the Palestinians stripped out the plumbing and wiring and sold it for scrap.

    It`s breathtaking how you libs can throw your turds at Fox News, yet you lap up lies from a left-wing anti-Semitic propaganda site like The Nation as if it`s God`s truth.
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
    593 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    More desperate propaganda form the emotional radical liberal left media!
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    llaa Male 30-39
    1664 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 6:29 pm
    Why are the comments closed on The Nation`s website?
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    llaa Male 30-39
    1664 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    #5 "UNRWA schools had weapons stored in them, but the schools were empty? Soooo, why were the schools empty? What gives?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 8:27 pm
    @5cats it`s interesting that you are attacking me (for suggesting this post)...

    Another lie! I did NO SUCH THING. Quote me, with time-stamp, or choke on your lies.
    I said NO ONE TAKES YOUS SERIOUSLY - because you`re an idiot.
    Suggest all the posts you like! I`ve never said otherwise. Each one proves my point.

    ...rather than addressing any of the legal arguments in the article

    So REFUTING ALL 5 isn`t enough for you? "Legal Arguments?" Have you been watching too much "Perry Mason"?

    You didn`t write the article? Now you`re Sherlock Holmes!!! Wowsers, I`d never have guess THAT!

    I`m sorry sad little bunny, but you don`t get to pick and choose who reads OR comments on your submissions... boo hoo!

    Hey! Did you even READ your own submission? You sure didn`t read your "proof" the last time...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 8:37 pm
    "and the Palestinian Territories more broadly..."

    @OldOllie: Remember? Hamas thinks ALL of Palestine (Israel`s current borders) is "occupied territory" so they believe this is true.

    @llaa: They claim the UN is lying. Because Jews control the UN? I suppose.
    And all the other evidence is lies too, all of it!
    Because Jews control the media, just ask @Nickle2!

    Simple really.

    Meanwhile the IDF says about 100 rockets have "fallen short" and struck INSIDE Gaza.
    That`s highly believable:
    - IDF tracks every single one
    - about 10% is a fair failure rate for such rockets, 100 is about 6%?
    - no doubt there`s plenty of video of failing rockets, but that`s NOT NEWS for the MSM...
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 11:03 pm
    @5cats you called me an idiot in the very post you asked me to quote you insulting me. Earlier in this thread (with time stamp as requested), and prior to me even commenting on anything you wrote the following, attacking me personally:

    Monday, July 28, 2014 8:08:38 AM
    HAHAHA! @paperduck! You have NO credibility! None.

    As if I wrote the friggin article in the link. I can`t figure out how I became the subject of your objection. Again, you got me talking about none sense instead of the content matter, which is extremely annoying and obnoxious.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    July 28, 2014 at 11:16 pm
    About Egypt vs Hamas, Egypt isn`t bombing homes of regular Palestinians and killing them indiscriminately, that`s why we`re not talking about them.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    July 29, 2014 at 12:01 am
    Why are the comments closed on The Nation`s website?
    Probably because they don`t want to be called out as anti-Semitic pro-terrorist Nazi liars.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    July 29, 2014 at 12:27 am
    5cats - One of the wonderful things about free speech is that sometimes information leaks out that I didn`t previously know, eg:

    `And all the other evidence is lies too, all of it!
    Because Jews control the media, just ask @Nickle2!`

    I was not aware that jews control the media, but now that you have informed me in your ill-informed rant, you add fuel to the misinformation fire.

    When this lot eventually grinds to a halt and most of the palestinian civilians are dead or injured, the will be war-crimes trials and the truth will be known. Sadly, the free press of America and Canada will still either censor the news, or hide it in the middle pages on a bad press day.
    Poor old 5cats, captain of a ship of fools, in a sea of misinformation.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 29, 2014 at 9:27 am
    @paperduck: Attacking you FOR SUGGESTING THIS POST.

    Get it now? I did NO SUCH THING. I politely pointed out that you are stupid and have NO credibility. BUT NOT on your RIGHT to post stupid things!

    Get it yet? YOU ARE WRONG. Period.

    @paperduck: But Hamas is firing rockets INTO EGYPT! KILLING Egyptian CHILDREN! This is a fact! And Egypt is fighting on the ground with Hamas SUPPORTERS inside Egypt: a hundred or more are dead.
    And Egypt is blowing up smuggling tunnels too.

    FACTS: Do acquaint yourself with them.

    @Nickle2: You`ve suggested several times that "Jews control" various things. Naked anti-Semitism. Not my problem. Rant all you like.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    July 29, 2014 at 10:16 am
    5cats.
    `@Nickle2: You`ve suggested several times that "Jews control" various things. Naked anti-Semitism. Not my problem. Rant all you like.`

    Please feel free to copy and paste the `several`posts of mine where I have said that "jews control" various things.
    Go ahead, do it. Several posts.
    As I said before, they are both bad. I support neither side. What I object to is disproportionality in the israeli response. To accuse me of `Naked anti-Semitism` is as foolish as calling someone a racist because they said the word `black`.
    I do not rant, I speak slowly and quietly in measured tones, so that even the most pathologically stupid imbecile can hear what I say.
    I see no reason for name-calling though, that is the resort of someone who has lost their self control and their ability to listen to and understand the other person`s point of view without denouncing them.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    July 29, 2014 at 10:18 pm
    @Nickle2: Nope! I`ve seen it, repeatedly. You`ve been BLOODY rude to boot!
    And you know it. You know what you wrote, I need "prove" nothing.

    Go away> Not from IAB, but from me. You can join many of your IAB Liberal Brigade brethren in "the doghouse" of shame.
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    relineiran Male 40-49
    1 post
    July 29, 2014 at 11:38 pm
    I have done a complete analysis on 5 Israeli Talking Points Debunked , please read it if you want to know the truth.
    Red Line Iran - Debunking the Debunking 5 Israeli Talking Points

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